Weak El Nino

September 24th, 2012 at 8:00 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

Tropical Pacific Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies Animation   We have a weak El Nino as we head into the Autumn Season. You can see the slightly warmer than average water along the Equator in the central and eastern Pacific Ocean in the looping graphic. We’ve come out of a relatively strong and long La Nina into a weak El Nino. You can look at the list of La Nina months/years (in blue) and El Nino months/years (in red) here.   Which years do you think are most similar?  You can see there is some similarity to the very cold winter of 1976-77 when a deep trough covered much of the Eastern U.S. for much of the winter, along with strong blocking near Greenland/NE Canada.  Also, the latest JAMSTEC model forecast (for the central Pacific – Nino 3.4 region) has our El Nino fading to neutral about next August and then go back to La Nina (colder than average water along the Pacific Equator) for the late fall/winter/spring of 2014.

Our weekend cool pattern moderates early this work week and I think we’re back to an overall dry and mild (not warm/hot) pattern for the next 8 or 9 days.  After that we probably go back to a cooler and wetter pattern with the mean upper-level trough back over the Great Lakes.  (Graphic from the Climate Prediction Center).    Final note….windy this midday/PM with gusts up to 30-40 mph.

Also:  Here’s a nice MODIS satellite picture of the East Coast from earlier this month and a picture of smoke from forest fires in Washington and Idaho.

201 Responses to “Weak El Nino”

  1. GunLakeDeb says:

    Love this cool morning – our local group did a road cleanup for Adopt-A-Highway and the weather was just perfect!! No bugs; and we could bundle up enough to protect against poison ivy :-)

  2. fixxxer says:

    l@@ks as we may have a pretty mild start to october…

    1. Yup (Grandville) says:

      I’ll take that!

  3. With simularites of Winter of 1976-1977. HERE WE GO!!! 1976-77 WINTER WAS BRUTAL !!!!!!!!! HOPE WE HAVE A WINTER LIKE LAST YEAR !!!!

  4. Barry in Zeeland says:

    I’d have to go a ways back and check, but it seems like every fall on this blog the “simularites to 1976-77″ pop up in conversations over and over. I guess eventually it could happen, like once every 75 years or so, but how’d it turn out last winter?

    1. Yup (Grandville) says:

      Pretty balmy if you ask me…. I’ll take another one like that please!

  5. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    While its true that at this time it looks like a weak El Nino may be in store for this upcoming winter, That said there are other years to look at besides the winter of 76-77 some other years to look at are the weak El Nino winters of 1963-64, 1969-70, 1976-77, 1977-78 and 1987-88. So we could be looking at a colder then average winter and almost certainly a colder winter then last winter. But as always time will tell.
    SlimJim

    1. Barb says:

      than average

      1. chuckles says:

        Thank you grammar police.

    2. Rumrunner says:

      “Colder than last winter”. I think anyone would get that one right.

  6. dano (Norton Shores) says:

    We need to get into a wetter pattern. The lake levels have been dropping in the last few weeks. Have really noticed lakes that are connected to Lake Michigan, Muskegon Lake, (also Bear Lake which connects to Muskegon Lake) and Mona Lake.

  7. Taco Boy says:

    I hope Grand Rapids gets over a 100 inches of snow this winter.

    1. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

      Me too!

      1. fixxxer says:

        “winter nuts”

  8. Winston Smith says:

    Bill do you still deny global warming due to climate change? Just wondering if the corn and soy bean prices were the tipping point for ya? Here is excerpt from the most recent study conducted by the UN International Panel on climate change. Very interesting…

    .” In fact, study after study predicts that carbon emissions will keep growing by roughly three percent a year – and at that rate, we’ll blow through our 565-gigaton allowance in 16 years, around the time today’s preschoolers will be graduating from high school. “The new data provide further evidence that the door to a two-degree trajectory is about to close,” said Fatih Birol, the IEA’s chief economist. In fact, he continued, “When I look at this data, the trend is perfectly in line with a temperature increase of about six degrees.” That’s almost 11 degrees Fahrenheit, which would create a planet straight out of science fiction.” (source article below)

    “Just 16 year till humanity reaches the tipping point, then positive feedback take over, and its curtains”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719?print=true
    http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/09/23/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      First, please don’t post the same comment on multiple threads (that have nothing to do with your comment) under different names. Take a look at this: http://news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-co2-emissions-us-drop-20-low-174616030–finance.html In the next 16 years, the National Debt (growing at an alarming and unsustainable 1.7 TRILLION dollars a year) will be a much greater threat to you, your children and this country than CO2 in the atmosphere.

      Here’s Dr. Richard Muller (U.C. Berkeley) from a PBS interview in August:

      Richard Muller: “Okay, let me give you a little background on that. The NOAA announced that this is the warmest year on record for the United States – that immediately surprised me because I’ve been looking at the world record, and I’d seen that the temperature had actually gone down, compared to the last five years.

      So I looked it up, and sure enough, the 2% of the world that happens to be the United States is a record warm, the 98% of the world, the rest of it, was actually cool.

      Okay, we’re having a heat spell. To call that “global warming” – and the globe isn’t warming – is just an attempt to grab headlines .. to get the public interested in this important issue.”

      1. joanne says:

        First off Bill, telling people not to repost demonstrates your hypocrisy. You do it all of the time. Your posts are inlaid with the same old cut and pastes.
        Richard Muller is a Koch Brothers funded puppet used to push the billionaires agenda of skeptical science. He is hardly a credible source. Muller has also flipped sides on the subject as you may already know.
        http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/2/climate_skeptic_koch_funded_scientist_richard

        Finally, who are you to say how a national debt, caused by your party, is any more or less of a threat to anybody. Stick to science Bill. Quit pulling in your right wing talking points into the subjects.

        I would also love to hear you answer Winton’s question. Do you believe in man made global warming? You have posted hundreds of times that CO2 is not the sole driver of climate change, but do you believe that humans have impacted climate temperatures? Simple question Bill.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          When someone like you makes a comment that says the same old tired talking points from Skeptical Science, you’ll get a similar response. Some individual is posting the exact, word-for-word comment on multiple threads (and his/her comment has nothing to do with the thread) under multiple names from the same IP address. That’s rude and inconsiderate to other commentors.

          The National Debt has been caused by both parties, but it has sure accelerated in the last four years with no sign of slowing down: http://riteside.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/federalbudgetspending.jpg?w=500 It’s totally unsustainable and the reckoning will be very hard to deal with. “Eating the rich” would only be a speed bump (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ) and the massive tax increases coming down the road for the middle class will really hurt our economy (http://dailyresourcehunter.com/the-tax-man-cometh-january-2013/). The economy is a far bigger issue than carbon dioxide.

          To answer your question again (I have on multiple occasions on the blog and elsewhere). Yes, I do believe in human-caused climate change. It’s easy to see that with urban heat islands and the increase in minimum temperatures due to agricultural changes. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and will produce a relatively small increase in global temperature. CO2 has not and will not cause an increase in global tropical cyclone energy or the number or strong to severe tornadoes. The oceans have a heat capacity a thousand times greater than the atmosphere. Solar variability, ocean cycles and significant volcanoes can cause (temporary – it always moves back and forth) climate change. We’ve had both palm trees and glaciers in Michigan. Climate change is a continuing natural global reality. Bankrupting countries, making utility rates skyrocket and forcing gasoline to $9 a gallon is unnecessary and a terrible burden on the lower and middle class, the elderly, minorities and children and will do NOTHING to move global temperature.

        2. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Well stated Bill…. I wish these fanatics would relax a bit. All they ever do is troll for a reaction and cause havoc in the blog. Pretty pathetic actually. You know who you are….

        3. Rumrunner says:

          You should make report and got talk to congress. If it were only that easy, eh?

        4. ho hummm – sounds like some people are trying to start another political firestorm – lets stick to the weather thread posted and enjoy each others company and be friends – we are entitled to our own opinions but oft times it is best to be respectful of the blog owner and not blast him for the data he is going by – in the fifty plus years I have been living I have seen such a wide range of weather and political changes I am hesitant to put forth any predication on future events including the weather because of the wide range of variables – wars, volcanoes, hurricanes terrorists attacks – etc etc etc – we can only base prediction on the data we have on hand today – everything can change…..

        5. joanne says:

          Someone like me! What is that suppose to mean? You’re one to talk about tired talking points. My god! You just stated that humans have influenced global temperatures with the release of CO2. That’s AGW Bill. BOOM The accompaniment to that is increased weather events. NASA agrees
          http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/climate-change/index.html
          For example, increased global tropical cyclone energy and the number and stronger and severe storms. You partially admit what is going on, but you follow up with your right wing talking points about high gas prices and elderly , minorities and children being burden by scientists. Your fear mongering is relentless, but laughable. Anybody falling for that is dumber than YUP. ;) If that’s possible.
          For once, I agree with you on one point. You state that taxing the middle class will hurt the economy. Bravo to you Bill. That’s what the Democrats have been saying for years. Now we need to understand that letting people like MItt Romney get away with paying under 16 percent on his taxes should be punishable. I think we are starting to see some middle ground here Bill. This Republican attack on the middle class is going to do nothing but hurt the economy. You are right about that Bill. We need to take our congress back and boot these corporate tools out of office so our President can do his job and finish restoring the economy back to the Clinton years. The last thing we need is four more years of Bush economicisly!!!!!! Man, before I post this, I feel that I need to point out that the word economicisly is a jab on Bush. Many dolts on here will tell me that I have bad grammar and therefor I am not credible. Right Yup? I kid the YUP

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          That is complete nonsense, JoAnne. AGW yes (and I as mentioned, urban heat island and changing agricultural practices are clear examples of local and regional AGW)…catastrophic warming from CO2…NO!!! Not happening!!! I have posted many links clearly showing that the total strength of tropical storms is NOT increasing…that the number of strong-severe tornadoes is NOT increasing…that the South Pole icecap (which has been doing the opposite of the North Pole icecap) is at a historic maximum extent…that global temperatures have been flat for the past 10 years.

          This administration is ON RECORD favoring “skyrocketing” utility and energy prices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNSZ62xiD4M and favority “European” ($9 a gallon) gasoline prices: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html It’s their own words. That’s what they believe. That’s what they want. Do you want “skyrocketing” energy and utility rates? Do you want $9 gasoline? This administration is ON RECORD stating that’s what they want. That’s their plan. I (and I believe a majority of the lower the middle class) would not be in favor of “skyrocketing” energy prices and $9 gasoline. For what? To “save the planet”??? That’s funny…really. CO2 output in the U.S. has been going down: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UGJ_uq4V-So A 20-year low…while much of the rest of the world increases their CO2 output. I think we need to have reasonably priced energy that doesn’t hurt the middle and lower class. This administration doesn’t seem to believe that (look at the links I posted above) This isn’t the way to do it: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house.

        7. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Joanne, I’ve never personally attacked you on this blog. I would appreciate it if you held yourself to the same standard. Have a good day.

        8. Joe says:

          Interesting article so if this area once was a forest that would mean that would mean at one time the ice was not covering this area. Hmmm that was long before man was “supposedly spewing all of the CO2″. So even if the planet is warming (which I do not agree that it is overall) at some point it was obviously warmer than it is now.
          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49125117/ns/technology_and_science-science/

        9. joanne says:

          LOL, calling people pathetic fanatics is surely not an insult. That’s the beauty of the internet YUP, it doesn’t go away unless Bill changes or deletes it, as we have all seen many times.

        10. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Really? Where in here did I call anyone pathetic? I said posting inflammatory threads is pathetic.

          “Well stated Bill…. I wish these fanatics would relax a bit. All they ever do is troll for a reaction and cause havoc in the blog. Pretty pathetic actually. You know who you are….”

          A fanatic to me is anyone who is so hell bent (one way or another) to get their point across, by whatever means necessary.

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          That makes BIll a fanatic. He’s created an entire blog around debunking the science that supports a climate change model.

        12. Paul says:

          Isn’t nice to see the resident crossdresser (bdbc) and that woman with that pesky 21st chromosome (joanne) on the blog making asses of themselves, again. Must be Jerry Springer let you morons out early today, lol.

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          Hey everyone, it’s Paul. Must be the sheep’s night off.

        14. Paul says:

          Hey everyone, it’s bdbc. His Mom must of locked her room tonight, lol. Where’s the substance retard?

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          Paul, when you sign your name as ‘Retard’, you shouldn’t use a period. It’s confusing.
          Besides, isn’t there a hate crime you should be committing somewhere. Racist Bigot.

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          There was nothing “racist” in Paul’s comment. I think you frustrate him when you lie (like when you said that Romney was a polygamist). Stop lying.

        17. Paul says:

          You’re right Bill, it’s easy to get confused when you’re dealing with a admitted meth addict like bdbc. At least he’s signing his posts correctly as a “Racist Bigot”.

          I hope the best for you bdbc, you stupid little hillbilly.

          By the way, stop lying.

        18. big Daddy BC says:

          Paul, it’s not a burn when you copycat it immediately after it was used on you, Dumb Dumb. But I suppose it’s the most sincere form of flattery, so thanks.

        19. Bill Steffen says:

          The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade… – James Hansen et al.

          Even Hansen admits the warming has stopped!

      2. KSEA - Caledonia says:

        Very true Bill. It has been on the news (on many different networks) a few times over the this years summer on how the rest of the world was cooler than average. Not worried about global warming here… especially when they changed the name since its not happening like it was said. Nope, I am more worried about these gas prices killing the growth of the economy.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          My favorite is when supposed Bill Steffen supporters, never before seen on the blog, post words of encouragement for the aging weatherman. Which intern put this one up? LOL

          Joanne’s right. Bill or more likely, an intern, continually posts and reposts stuff that’s obviously been saved to a Word doc somewhere. It usually has some garbage about Antarctica, a testimonial from some no-name biologist, and the same year-old Dr. Curry interview about how warming may or may not be occurring. I guess it’s WOOD’s blog and people can read or not read it, but Bill’s just a hypocrite when he judges Winston with that double standard.

          http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/co2.html

          In other news,

        2. joanne says:

          Agreed. I believe that many of these supporters are interns at Wood. We have our share of dummies in West Michigan, but there is no way that this many find Bill’s blog without direction from a mentor or Boss. I know Bill, how would I know that because I am from Canada. You’re a funny guy. You want to laugh, this prick just asked me to christen his kid.

        3. bobcat says:

          Rolling on the floor laughing!…

          Joanne said,

          “Agreed. I believe that many of these supporters are interns at Wood. We have our share of dummies in West Michigan, but there is no way that this many find Bill’s blog without direction from a mentor or Boss.”

          We are coming here for WEATHER, joanne! It’s a weather blog! You are simply getting desperate and find the need to come on a weather blog to puke forth your agenda. How many blogs do you do this on everyday? Didn’t your Obama get you a real job yet?

          If you read the posts on here it’s obvious that we want to talk weather. It’s also obvious that it’s YOU who is on here from the ‘direction of a mentor or boss’.

          You keep trying. The rest of us will keep laughing.

          I know, I know… you’re going to call me a name. Hint: ‘dummy’ has already been used.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Hey Bobcat, your phrasing sounds familiar. You remind me of girl I used to know. Ever dance at the Mermaid?

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          BILL LINKED THIS ARTICLE IN 14 DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE BLOG. Shouldn’t HE be kicked off the blog for that?

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          OK – I get it – you have no response…totally devoid of a substantive response to the link…can’t argue with facts, logic and reason. Try this one:

          The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade… – James Hansen et al. (Hansen ADMITS the globe isn’t warming!!)

    2. Katie in Kentwood says:

      Joanne and Big Daddy BC…if you don’t like Bill Steffen, by all means please feel free NOT to come to this blog! You two are insane….

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Another intern posts on Bill’s behalf. That’s great, but why not just use someone who posts here’s ID? I mean you guys run this blog and we know you post under Bill’s name all the time.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          $100 from me to the Salvation Army if you can prove that Katie is an intern.

        2. Katie in Kentwood says:

          I’m an intern…? Really? I’d love that! Actually no. I’m a 24 year old who runs an entertainment business. Please get your facts straight.

        3. Katie in Kentwood says:

          Oh and Big Daddy guess what? I’m a Democrat and even I know when to leave well enough alone. This is a weather blog. Please keep it that way.

        4. joanne says:

          OHHH, what kind of entertainment are you providing Katie? Do tell girlfriend

  9. Barb says:

    We could really use it to fill our reservoirs again.

  10. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    Does anyone know when Indian Sunmer is?

    1. Cort S. says:

      Whenever we get a period of considerably above-normal temperatures following a killing frost.

  11. Jordan (Twin lake) says:

    All you hoping for 100″ of snow in GR this winter your wish might just come true your annual average snowfall is 40-80″ and if everyone is forecasting above average this year it is quite possible you could recieve 100″ Muskegon county could recieve 120-140″ I so can’t wait I’m pumped to see what happens this winter :D

    1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

      Remember last winter? We said the same thing! Maybe this winter will be different though.

  12. TomKap (Michigan St. & Fuller) Grand Rapids says:

    Oh-Oh…looks like we can kiss ‘accurate’ forecasts goodbye! ;)
    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/key-weather-satellite-goes-offline-may-limit-forecast-accuracy-15038

    1. Cort S. says:

      ;)

      As of today, GOES-14 has assumed operations as GOES-East. It has been in storage for a situation like this.
      http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/MediaDetail2.php?MediaID=1195&MediaTypeID=1

      Here are some images of the noise that GOES-13 was experiencing:
      http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/11392

      1. Bruiseviolet (Cedar Springs) says:

        That was interesting to read about- thanks TomKap and Cort.

      2. DF (SE Mich) says:

        Thanks for the articles.

      3. Yup (Grandville) says:

        Very interesting, thanks Cort!

      4. GunLakeDeb says:

        A spare satellite – how convenient!!!!

        OK – this is tongue in cheek – but you’d think with all the mind-boggling technology that went into putting these satellites in orbit, and able to compensate for others that go haywire – that forecasts a week out could be more accurate?? ;-)

        Or maybe Mother Nature just refuses to be “predictable”?

        1. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Made me laugh.

        2. Cort S. says:

          Satellites do a lot to make medium-range forecasts more accurate, but there are limits. Limits in what remote sensing can do to measure the 3D thermal, moisture, and wind profile of the atmosphere (as opposed to in-situ measurements like weather balloons, but the oceans are big places where we can’t launch balloons). And limits of predictability that the atmosphere inherently has even when you have a pretty good idea of what the initial state of the atmosphere is. That’s chaos theory and the butterfly effect. But without satellites, we would have a lot of big 3-dimensional question marks regarding the current weather out over the oceans. And those question marks in the Pacific would probably bleed into Michigan in a matter of a few days.

        3. GunLakeDeb says:

          Oh Cort – you’re ruining my “visual” of a cranky old lady draped in moss and saying “So you think it’s going to be sunny next Saturday, Mr Smarty-pants Meteorologist??? Watch THIS!” as she waves her wand and creates a huge thunderstorm in Iowa…

  13. INDY says:

    Wow Bill I read fizzer’s cousins are back blogging stupid again on a BILL’S weather blogg!! It’s cloudy outside ….INDYY….

    1. Jack says:

      4 Sure…. Brother Indy…. :-)

    2. fixxxer says:

      sorta like you and your “family”… double personalities i mean! ;)

  14. bobcat says:

    Waa-Hoooo! Woods weather page is now showing 83 for Thursday and 91 for Friday! Dang… we took the pool down too early! Staying in the 80s for days!…..
    lol! I know it’s just a glich :)

    1. Kathy W (Martin) says:

      That made me laugh too…. although, I’m kind of done with temps in the 90′s for this year anyway.

      1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

        I know, it tricked me for a second too!

  15. Dan says:

    Its SAD! There are a couple of people that come on here who, are completely devoid of reason! Seems like their only motivation is to stir up stuff and look to discredit a professional with SEVERAL YEARS of experience!
    IS there another blog you can frequent? Because, quite frankly this is getting old!

    1. Yup (Grandville) says:

      Agreed…. it would be nice to just deal with intelligent people who aren’t inflammatory in every post.

      1. fixxxer says:

        i wouldn’t talk YUP. you always jump on anyone who has different views than you.

        1. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Oh please… I jump on people who are incessant downers.

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Just ignore it.

    3. to me it is vandalism – they come in to trash the place then leave….

    4. big Daddy BC says:

      Totally. But how do we get Bill to leave his own blog?

      1. joanne says:

        He’s leaving soon. RETIREMENT I hear.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          In your dreams, joanne! You better hope I stay put, because when I retire, I’ll have a lot more time to invest in saving the middle class from the alarmists and wealth destroyers.

        2. joanne says:

          Great, so when you retire you are going to turn Democrat. That’s great news Bill.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          lol

          Have you seen Romney’s tax plan, Bill? It takes from the middle class and gives to the rich. Didn’t Bush try that? ;)
          http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romney-blunders-again-on-taxes/2012/09/26/a362b576-07f6-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s nonsense. Taxes will go up a LOT on the middle class on January 1: http://atr.org/days-taxmageddon-a7203 Tax rates go up for the lower middle class from 10% to 15%. Taxes are really going to go up for small business and that will discourage them from hiring…so look for the unemployment rate to stay high.

        5. joanne says:

          Man, if the taxes jump to 15 percent, they will be paying the same at Mitt Romney!!

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          Now that’s funny. What’s even funnier is that Bill thinks the poor only pay 10% in taxes. He sure hates poor people. Tell us about that bottom 47%, Bill, the half of the country that freeloads…retirees, veterans, handicapped people, and clergy. You rich republicans are a sick lot.

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          The poor pay a lot for gasoline…the price has more than doubled in the last 3 1/2 years. Of course, that was the plan: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html The poor are paying a lot more for food. The unemployment rate is still over 8% and the only plan is to suck a lot more money out of the economy by raising taxes on the poor and middle class. That will raise unemployment in the private sector.

          Romney gave nearly 30% of his income to charity. Multi-millionaire Joe Biden gave next to nothing for years: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81529.html

        8. joanne says:

          How do you know what Romney gives when he is hiding his tax returns?

  16. Rumrunner says:

    Are you kidding me? You guys are just as extreme, but to the other way. Anyone coming into this blog with a different opinion or a different way of thinking is flamed. If not by you “Marshals of the blog” then it is by the blog writer himself. It continues to be an absolute joke.

    1. Yup (Grandville) says:

      I’m speaking about the trolls… that pop in and lay down inflammatory BS. Then go back into the wood work. I post here consistently, never force my views on other people, or call them names because they don’t view things the way I do. I come here for weather, not to watch people personally attack others. Do I get in arguments with others? Yes. Do I type things out I probably shouldn’t have? Yup. But I own my short comings and try to be better the next time around.

      1. fixxxer says:

        it’s the “internet” get used to trolls or please do us a favor and disconnect your internet.

        1. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Not sure that was called for Fixxx.

        2. Cort S. says:

          “If you don’t like what I have to say, then leave” is such a lame thing for anyone to say.

        3. joanne says:

          Well said fix

        4. Yup (Grandville) says:

          Still missing the point Joanne. Go ahead, call me names some more. It makes you even less relevant.

        5. fixxxer says:

          i wasn’t calling you any names yup i was pointing out what ive said since day 1 of me being here. this is the internet, stop taking what people post soo seriously.

        6. Yup (Grandville) says:

          No worries Fixxx… I didn’t say you were name calling. Just that your post was uncalled for. I guess I get annoyed by radicals no matter where it is or what it has to do with.

    2. Dan says:

      No Marshal here, Rumrunner. I’m only stating that there are only a couple that come on here to point out inaccuracies and stir the pot. That is their motivation. Never once did I say they couldn’t post, just stating that it gets old!

      1. Rumrunner says:

        Please, this blog is a shadow of what it once was. The political ramblings of some “trolls” are actually responses to Bill’s posts. Maybe if his news8 Weather blog wasn’t filled with such polarizing material, he wouldn’t have to have you guys come to the rescue.

        Its a public blog Dan. Anyone can point out inaccuracies or argue a point if the author engages.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I’ve told Bill many, many times that if he didn’t continually post divisive political drivel or out right mistruths about climate change I’d never post again. He can’t stop, and although I have better things to do, I can’t stand watching this man take advantage of the trust his position as a local celebrity lends him. A lot of people like Dan, believe everything he writes because they grew up watching him. It’s the cult of personality. What’s really interesting is to go back and see what he writes on these threads after they’ve been buried a while. That’s when his anti democrat/socialism theories begin rearing their ugly heads! Scary.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Rumrunner is incorrect. Responses to my blog threads? The threads have nothing to do with climate alarmism or calling Romney a polygamist. People can go from thread to thread…read the threads and the comments that follow to see the truth.

          When someone like bigDaddy uses my blog to promote a lie (like “Romney is a polygamist”), I correct the lie.

          This is not something unique to me. This is happening to meteorologists around the country who are deemed to not be promoting an alarmist agenda in their weathercasts. Here’s more: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/16/facts-about-the-forecast-the-facts-campaign-theyre-just-another-mouthpiece-of-the-center-for-american-progress/

        3. Dan says:

          rumrunner: Did you read my post! GEEZ! You need to go back and re read it! Really? What is your point?
          Big Daddy: Why call me out in this post? I have said nothing about you. Why is that you feel the need to berate with your comment about me? Aren’t we beyond this?
          Lets see, where can I learn that new mantra and what is Bill’s most recent idol worship? Ridiculous! Do you even REALLY know the definition of a cult?

        4. joanne says:

          Dan, you have been on here for years backing everything that Bill says. I have looked back and you have been here as long as I checked. Talk about getting old. Get your own opinion by doing some research. Stay away from the right wing rag sites and learn something for a change. In all of the posts that I looked up, you have never offered any credible information, just strange ramblings and insults to anyone showing how Bill lies.

        5. Rumrunner says:

          Bill, you toss in the occasional jab here and there. Thats the little bit anyone needs to jump in and start giving headaches.

          @ Dan I am not sure what you mean… You posted that “only a couple come on here and to point out inaccuracies and stir the pot.” Is that really stirring the pot? Pointing out inaccuracies? Damn us for wanting unbiased friggin news/weather. Maybe their motivation is a bit grander in scale than just getting you to put more capitalized words and exclamation points in your posts.

          @ big daddy bc. You and I aren’t even on the same level. While we may have a common dislike for

        6. Rumrunner says:

          for hypocrisy, it ends there. I hate tired arguments more. Bill’s not right on much, but he has the whole global warming thing kinda nailed down.

        7. Dan says:

          Joanne: Please lecture me some more! Thanks, I’m really looking forward to it! I, sincerely, hope all is well in your life! Judging from your posts, it doesn’t seem that way.

        8. Dan says:

          joanne: Do you read much? My posts were directed to rumrunner and Big Daddy. Do you need to speak for them? They seem to do a fairly decent job of posting their own messages.
          You challenged me on credible information. Yet, have you offered any? Also, the left opinion is not the only one.
          I really thought you were much more intelligent. You have no tolerance for another view point. Excuse me for saying so but isn’t that one of the many issues that stands in the way of getting things done?

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Oh, poor Bill! I’m weeping for him right now. The right-wing mets are being challenged around the country and they cry persecution. Allow me to repeat what I said above. I’ll gladly go away if you stop lying. It’s easy.

          Look, just because you don’t post thread headings with inflammatory right-wing propaganda, doesn’t mean you don’t chuck these threads full with political blabber. You attack everyone from the poor to teachers to scientists on here. You post links to the same four or five activist sites twenty or thirty time on some of these. It’s crazy transparent. Everyone, including the golden oldies see what you’re doing. Rumrunner is just saying what we’re all thinking.

          How about we all just stop and return this blog to what is was supposed to be, a discussion of weather.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s what bigD was referring to: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/16/facts-about-the-forecast-the-facts-campaign-theyre-just-another-mouthpiece-of-the-center-for-american-progress/

          I’ll keep posting the truth, and links to back it up. The threads are not political (read the thread above).

          This is new out today. Surprise!! 1880 just got colder?? What?? HUH??!!: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/nasas_rubber_ruler.html#ixzz27YZRxqIW

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          What a shocker. He posted more right-wing links and nothing about weather.

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          “Reports and photos of snow and temperatures below freezing (with wind chills as low as -30 C!) started pouring in. An article from Estadao.com says (translation) says: “Also there was record snow between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, in Bom Jardim da Serra and Urubici. According to Epagri / Ciram, responsible for monitoring weather conditions in Santa Catarina, the last time there was record snowfall in spring in the state was in 2000.”

          Rare spring snowfall in S. America.

          And: http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/september-snow-romania-video/

    3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      I agree 100%!

  17. Bnoppe says:

    For everyone who Is wishing for alot of snow enjoy all the sholvling

    1. got a snow thrower and 4×4 – let the fun begin!

    2. fixxxer says:

      i think we will have a repeat of last winter.

  18. Rob says:

    Hey Bill, I have a few questions for you.

    1. I’m going to Art Prize this Saturday with My Wife To Be, is there any good art in The GRAM ?.

    2. When is the best time to go look at the fall colors and where are the best fall colors at.

    3. I love watching your Winter forecast out look what month are you planning on telling everyone about the winter season this year.

    Thank You

    Rob.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Yeah, there’s plenty to see at the Art Museum

      Fall colors peak in mid-October. I think we’ll be about 3 days earlier than last year…we’ve had some cool nights…especially NE of G.R. where they have already had some frost…the weekend of the 13th-14th will probably be the best with the weekend of Oct. 6-7 pretty good north and northeast of G.R.

      I’ll put out a few snippets on the winter forecast from time to time. So far the models are average temps. to a little colder than average

  19. Mr. Negative says:

    Tired of the perpetual 20mph winds…

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      We have some calm days coming…like Friday.

    2. Yup (Grandville) says:

      The winds of change are a blowin’! I just hope they don’t blow winter on us too quickly ;)

  20. GunLakeDeb says:

    Normally, I like a nice pleasant Fall. But I’m praying for a heavy frost – to kill the midges that are spreading the EHD (epizootic hemorrhagic disease) that is killing so many deer. And in their sickness – they seek water to cool their fevers and drink because they’re bleeding to death internally – then they die. Our beautiful rivers/laes are littered with bloated corpses; and if the DNR numbers are correct, in some areas the number of dead deer doubles each week :-(

  21. Nathan says:

    Its funny to think that in just a month it might be snowing… Its happened before! I hope we get an early start to winter this year. :)

    1. Yup (Grandville) says:

      Nathan… you shut your mouth! :) LOL.

    2. Barry in Zeeland says:

      Yeah!! And just like last year, every time it snows, 2 days later it’s 60 degrees and all melted away!!! I’m all for it.

      1. fixxxer says:

        +1 barry.

  22. Jordan (Twin lake) says:

    I am so in for a really hard winter what ever we get i’ll take except the ice storms I hate driving in those we had one a couple years ago and we lost power for two days when we lived in the Battle Creek area luckly we had a fireplace to heat up the house now we live in a different house here in Twin Lake and we no longer have a fireplace so we better not get one of those ice storms! but Heavy snow I’ll take the 40′s I’ll throw away lol I want it at least in the upper 20′s lower 30′s all winter with alberta clippers so that we can get hefty lake effect amounts :) at least 100″ if not more!

  23. INDY says:

    It’s all fizzer’s fault JUST DO IT!!! Sun is going down fast now Bill!! INDYY..

  24. geez – seems things have settled down since I was in here this afternoon -
    Fixxxer: I am an optimist – if it snows I will enjoy it – if not I will not have to shovel it – either way I will be happy BUT – being from New England I would like to see all of you enjoy a good ol nor’easter in the winter where it snows a foot an hour – wheeee!

    1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

      Lmao!

    2. fixxxer says:

      good thing is i don’t shovel anything anymore! ;)

  25. Bruiseviolet (Cedar Springs) says:

    LOVING the moustaches! laughed when Kyle had one on during the 5 or 6 news (can’t remember which I watched) and laughing with people outside downtown wearing them when you were talking during the news intro tonight at 11!

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      I think the station got 3,000 of them and I passed out hundreds of them tonight. They only came in two colors and white/gray wasn’t one of them.

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Makes you look like a bunch of 70s porn stars, not that there’s anything wrong with that. ;)

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Don’t you delete people when they repost the same stuff. I think I’ve seen this American Stinker posting in three different places. Hypocrite.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Read the article and see the fraud and deception.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Actually, I counted twelve repostings of the exact same political link all over the blog…and that’s all I noticed. I bet the number’s higher.

  26. Kimoeagle says:

    There have been a few inflammatory posts that have gone on this blog as comments.I’d like to add my comments, as follows:
    1. Who hosts this blog? Yes, that’s right.WOOD TV8 and WOOD personnel.Look at the bottom of this blog. Scroll down… go ahead. Here’s what it says: “All content © Copyright 2000 – 2012 WOOD TV8. All Rights Reserved.” With that in mind, I suggest that those of you with sharp tongues and dull minds mind your manners and try to sound like civil adults.
    2. Each and every one of these posts (including this one) are OPINIONS. I’ve also noted a number of links that were posted as”reference” to substantiate this claim or that claim. Look closely, and you will find that the vast majority of these “references” are opinions as well,being spouted by everyone from political theorists to half-baked professors — all people with an agenda. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to find a media that does NOT have an agenda — a sad commentary on the civility (or lack of it) in our nation. So – what does that leave us with? We start using that lump sitting on top of our neck, and instead of letting someone else make up our minds with sound bites and loud noise — we start thinking for ourselves.Wow. Do you remember how you used to do that? It was called school. You were given ideas, and known facts, and, from that, you began to formulate your own ideas. Hopefully, you thought these ideas through.
    Well, then, I maintain that what Mr. Steffen has been trying to do – with this blog – is to give us what facts there are, to advance theories, whether climatological or economic, and to let us go from there. Thankfully, he has helpers out there (called readers) who have added their knowledge of meteorology, or radar interpretation, or experience gained from a particular vocation (like aviation) — and from that, we put it together, and joyfully kid about what may or may not be tomorrow’s forecast. Most of us KNOW that weather forecasting is an estimation, right?
    So, I suggest that those of you who have climbed onto the bully pulpit to denounce Mr. Steffen and his opinions – whether political, economic or meteorological – get down from that perch and engage in civil, INTELLIGENT discourse about any of these topics. And mind your tongue. Cheap talk demeans the orator.

    1. joanne says:

      Kimoegle,
      You need to do just what you are advising and use your lump. Pay attention to what Bill is attempting to do on here and you will see that it is not about weather. Bill is misusing Wood TV’s blog to promote a false impression of the country and the Democratic Party. How many times has Bill reposted how the current administration wants to skyrocket our utilities? How often does he promote that antarctic ice is growing? How often does he promote that Romney is not a polygamist? How often does he talk about educators and how much money they make?
      Bill Steffen may post weather facts on here and talk about weather, but the underlying goal of Mr. Steffen is to promote the extreme right wing agenda. Is that the agenda that you want to support from your local weatherman? I SURE DON’T!
      Your label of those demonstrating a resistance to Bill’s lies as Bullies is laughable. Bill is the ultimate bully. He has attacked me from the beginning, called me names and has attempted to drive me off by posting my email for all to see. He claims that I use a false email, but if you look at the area where you leave your email, it clearly states that it will not be published. Bill however has lied and published mine. He is a bully and if he stops posting his right wing agenda, I will stop posting on here.

      1. Yup (Grandville) says:

        I don’t agree with everything Bill posts, but it is his opinion and I will respect that. I come here to learn more about the weather. What do you come here for? That is a serious question. Do you come here to force your view on everyone else? Or do you come here to give information in an insightful manner? Joanne, I think you are a very smart person. However, the personal attacks and condescending posts really detract from the information you post. I wouldn’t have had a problem with you at all if your delivery was non confrontational, and I think the same could be said for a few others here. And just to set the record straight, I maintained a 3.7 gpa average my whole schooling career. Not the most brilliant, but not a huge dummy either ;) Oh, and I can rebuild a transmission. Not sure if that counts for anything here.

        1. fixxxer says:

          oh and what have you learned form this site YUP? ;)

        2. fixxxer says:

          oh and what have you learned from this site YUP? ;)

      2. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

        It’s amazing that the left always accuses their opponents of doing exactly what they, themselves are doing! I believe that’s one of the Alinsky rules for radicals.

      3. Kimoeagle says:

        Joanne — if that is your name—
        1) Most of Bill’s entries are about weather. On occasion, he will enter his OPINION about the concerns he has, and he is letting you use this blog to do the same, i.e., enter your OPINIONS. Fair is Fair, is it not?
        2) Misusing WOOD’s blog? Whose call is that? Yours? No. Mine? No. WOOD? Yes. FWIWD, I don’t see any new changes from WOOD — do you? If you don’t like this, then I suggest you return to Forecast the Facts (???)or whatever spin shop you choose –whatever, to vent your anger.
        3) You brought up four different accusations against Mr. Steffen — each of them general and non-specific.Why don’t you answer your own questions — and be specific. Oh, yes.Use FACTS, not heresay. Example:Candidate Romney is not a polygamist. His g-grandfather was.BTW, the LDS outlawed polygamy in 1890. Example: Artic ice is melting. However ANTartic ice is GROWING. Try Googling before you write your heresay.Or try Snopes.
        4) Tell me – just what IS the “extreme right agenda” that your refer to? Is it any better or worse than the extreme LEFT agenda? Cmon. Your labels aren’t sticking.
        5) Bill’s lies? Hm.Another label. Would you care to itemize?
        6) Attacking you from the beginning? How does posting your email create an attack on you? Don’t you want your OPINIONS to be heard?
        I have not been a long-time participant on this blog — am guessing 5 or 6 years, but I really don’t recall seeing your rants in recent months or years. Nor have I seen any name-calling — other than what YOU have just resorted to in your most recent post.
        I feel sorry for you, Joanne (?). Your name-calling and accusations are uncharacteristic of those on this blog, and I feel that you and your playmates need to find another mud-puddle to play in.

        1. joanne says:

          What’s your email Kimoeagle and who the heck said ANTarctic ice is melting? Better yet, why don’t you post your phone number, name, address? You don’t because it’s a blog that has anonymity. You are full of nonsense. Try rereading the posts and slow down. You may understand things better. Just my advise. Take it or leave it!!!!!!! Have a great day and please don’t feel too sorry for me. I am a very happy person who just loves weather and has a big issue with local media lying to the public for a corporate agenda. It’s too bad that followers like you, believe anything that they are spoon fed.

        2. Katie in Kentwood says:

          Joanne is quite annoying. I roll my eyes whenever I see her or big daddy post.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          american thinker…Is that supposed to be ironic, because what they do there is think for you.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          And here’s the FOURTH place you posted the same link. Will there be five?

      4. Welfare Queen says:

        You’re right Joanne.I never knew bill was such a right winger.He also posts that there were palm trees in Michigan That’s true Because of plate tectonics you know the land masses slowly drifting around the crust.So Michigan was once at the equator. Has bill ever heard of Pangea?

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Welfare Queen? You didn’t respond to the fact that global temperatures have held steady for 10 years: http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/trend-24.png This is from Dr. Judith Curry of the BEST group at Berkeley:

          Prof Curry said, the project’s research data show there has been no increase in world temperatures since the end of the Nineties – a fact confirmed by a new analysis that The Mail on Sunday has obtained.

          ‘There is no scientific basis for saying that warming hasn’t stopped,’ she said. ‘To say that there is detracts from the credibility of the data, which is very unfortunate.’

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html#ixzz27cBfug9Z

          Global temperatures are within 1/100th of a degree from average for 2012: http://models.weatherbell.com/weather/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          Antarctic icecap at a historic high: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png and the icecap has been growing steadily for the past 25 years: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          That sure doesn’t look like a global warming disaster and it certainly doesn’t warrant “skyrocketing” energy prices and utility rates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNSZ62xiD4M and “European” ($9 a gallon) gasoline rates as our Energy Secretary was hoping for: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html

        2. joanne says:

          WQ, I believe that Bill knows he is full of crap. I think he puts this garbage out there because he is told to. Craig James did the very same thing. Curious. I also can tell that Bill doesn’t have much of a scientific background. There isn’t much science behind weather anymore and I don’t think Bill has seen a classroom since the 60′s, unless he is pretending to talk weather to a school only to try to pick the school apart later on his blog.
          Bill attempts to take the part of a climatologist. This is a far cry from what he actually knows. There is only so much understanding that you get from looking at right wing rag sites online.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          You can believe anything you want…you can believe that the middle class needs $9 a gallon gasoline…you can believe that we can satisfy our energy needs in Michigan with solar panels…you can believe Elvis is still alive…you can believe that the NFL replacement refs are better than the regular NFL refs. I hope that readers will check the links I posted above.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Of course you hope they’ll follow your links. Lots of corporate money goes into crafting those sites. The weak minded easily fall into the traps set there, because that’s exactly what they are…traps. They pose as science, yet publish nothing. Every major scientific institution, church, and government agrees that CO2 is driving global warming which is driving climate change, yet we’re supposed to side with the hacks that run these blogs? Give us a break. LOL

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s the FIFTH place you reposted the same exact American Stinker link! Will there be six????

      5. Yup (Grandville) says:

        Actually, I’ve learned a lot about weather (especially from Cort) on this site. Mostly I come here for the excitement of storms and tracking (yelling at you to stop being such a downer and reminding us of the bubble we live in :) ), and historical weather data.

  27. Rumrunner says:

    LOL, Im getting a chair and some popcorn for this one.

    1. fixxxer says:

      welcome to the internet…enjoy your stay!

    2. Jack says:

      I wish I owned Stock In The Popcorn Producers…. :-) . Lol

  28. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    So what has happened since I have been gone LOL reminds me of me a couple months ago on the blog I don’t do it anymore

  29. kentwoodchicken says:

    BWWAAAK! it’s a cacklin’ storm of snippy snarks and sass in here!

    1. Jack says:

      Roflmao…..Cluck, Cluck, K.Chicken.. ;-)

  30. Kimoeagle says:

    Well, it appears that neither Joanne, BigDaddyBC, or the Welfare Queen have anything substantive to say. or to respond. Allegations are easy to throw out there, but none of their name-calling has gone beyond tired liberal phraseology and general inaccuracies. Ex: Big Daddy said, ” Every major scientific institution, church, and government agrees that CO2 is driving global warming which is driving climate change, yet we’re supposed to side with the hacks that run these blogs.”
    OK, BIg Daddy BC, just who ARE these a)major scientific institutions, b)church(es)and c) government(s) that are in total agreement about CO2 driving…climate change? I can just as easily label it another way—lessee, How about this? “Major scientific institutions, church and government have decried the spurious and inaccurate allegations put forth by opinionated left-wing liberals who use a weather blog to advance their inflated tale of woe!!” Yep. Golly that was easy.
    So, I would suggest that you and your troublemakers leave before you get laughed off the blog. Me – I still feel sorry for you, and Joanne, and whoever else is on your team, because you just don’t get it.
    Simply put, IMHO, this blog is a forum, and differing views come and go in an environment of civilized literal discourse. Many of us have seen, or dealt with, similar mud-throwing attempts in our lifetime — in our personal careers or business careers, or both — and the bottom line is that FACTS tell the story for all to judge, no matter how much crap is thrown. If you really have something to say, throw away your “liberal” phrasebook and say what you honestly feel. If you have an opinion, back it up with as much fact as you can muster. You will be respected for that effort. It is clear that many of the readers of this blog want you to knock off the BS and talk about weather, or climate, or meteorology. If you don’t believe me, go to the top of this particular blog and read through it.
    And to quote the wisdom of Forrest Gump, “That’s all I’m gonna say about that!”

    1. Dan says:

      Kimoeagle: Lets see if they will take you up on your challenge! My guess is you will either get labeled a Bill supporter, a cult member and or they’ll work to discredit you. What I like about your post is that is has “teeth” and there is substance.
      I cannot find anything from joanne except name calling. She claims, Bill has done her so wrong. Many on the blog see right through all of it.
      Can you believe that someone who put so much energy into this can come across the way she does? It is really very sad!

      1. joanne says:

        Dan, sounds like you and Kimoeagle should just get a room already

        1. Dan says:

          That all you got? WOW! I am so NOT impressed.
          Where is the very substance that he challenged you to provide, joanne? What is that? Oh, you don’t have any.
          You must really have a wonderful life.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          So now you’re picking fights with girls?

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          You ought to be listening to this girl, Dr. Judith Curry:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

          And check out this lady: http://joannenova.com.au/

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Hi, Kimoeagle (whatever that means). Do you seriously not realize that NASA, NOAA, the EPA, PIOMAS, NSIDC, IPCC, Cryosat, HadRU, The Japanese Met Assoc., the Methodists, the Baptists, and the Catholics all agree that CO2 is the major driver in what’s known as global warming and subsequently Climate Change? I’ve posted literally hundreds of links. Are you stupid or something? Wait, don’t answer that. Read.

      http://catholicclimatecovenant.org/

      or how about this one?

      http://www.climate.gov/#climateWatch

      Now, I can’t put up fifty links like Bill, but mine are to real scientists, not blogs and fossil fuel sponsored mets like Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue or Exxon-Spencer. Hey, look, I agree with you that this is way uglier than it should be, but diversity is fun and like Forest Gump also said, “Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get.”

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        HadRU: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2000 (no warming in the last decade)

        Japanese Met. Assn: http://www.jamstec.go.jp/frcgc/research/d1/iod/sintex_f1_forecast.html.en (look at “Surface Air Temp. Anomaly” for “Dec. – Feb”.

        NSIDC: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

        Chryosphere: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

        NOAA: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/13/martin-hoerling-on-james-hansens-game-over-thinking/ (from climatologist Dr. Martin Hoerling)

        NASA: Direct quote from NASA press release 9/19: “This year, a powerful cyclone formed off the coast of Alaska and moved on Aug. 5 to the center of the Arctic Ocean, where it churned the…ice cover for several days. The storm cut off a large section of sea ice north of the Chukchi Sea and pushed it south to warmer waters that made it melt entirely. It also broke vast extensions of ice into smaller pieces more likely to melt.

        “The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year’s unusually large retreat of the ice”.

        They blame “the storm” and not CO2.

        IPCC: Admits significant error in tracking glaciers: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/presentations/himalaya-statement-20january2010.pdf

        Leading Alarmist becomes skeptic: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388

        Another leading alarmist becomes a skeptic: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite

        From Professor Roger Pelkie Jr: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/09/drought-and-climate-change.html

        But a report to be published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation includes a graph of world average temperatures over the past ten years, drawn from the BEST project’s data and revealed on its website.

        This temperature graph shows that the trend of the last decade is absolutely flat, with no increase at all – though the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have carried on rising relentlessly.

        ‘This is nowhere near what the climate models were predicting,’ Prof. Judith Curry said. ‘Whatever it is that’s going on here, it doesn’t look like it’s being dominated by CO2.’

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html#ixzz27k5iTk5f

        Thousands oppose unsubstantiated climate alarmism: http://www.petitionproject.org/

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        So I didn’t see any smearing of the Catholics in there (LOL), and although I appreciate all the research your team back at WOOD did, not one of those links disputes what all of those organizations agree upon: Global Warming is being caused by man.
        Scientists are human and make mistakes and our knowledge base is being improved upon everyday just because of the nature of how science works, but their conclusions support the exact same model, period. The one thing time has done is put a sharper point on this conclusion.
        I guess my question to you is which major organization supports the denier model? I mean you constantly link to blogs and unpublished losers like Watts, but what institution actually publishes work in support of you position?
        I can wait.

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        “Globaloney”, er “global warming” has stopped. Temperatures have been flat for a decade:

        “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

        CO2 emissions are falling in the U.S.: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UTf9IDeS-So

        And support for your alarmist agenda is falling: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/green-fatigue-sets-in-the-world-cools-on-global-warming-8513826.html

        Read my comment above and you’ll see lots of credible links. You are not credible. You’re a proven liar (you claimed that Romney was a polygamist) and you have offered not a hint of any background that would make you in the least bit trustworthy to discuss science.

        Antarctic sea ice extent sets ANOTHER record!! http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png Amazing!

  31. Dan says:

    Oh by the way, I didn’t know there were so many interns working for Wood TV 8.
    How is that working out for you, Bill?
    Does this also make me an intern? The logic is JUST incredible.

    1. Katie in Kentwood says:

      Haha I know right. If you don’t agree with them you’re automatically an intern. Hilarious.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        What’s hilarious is that you found a friend, Katie the intern. Isn’t belonging a great feeling. If you talk real nice, Dan will start to hit on you like he does every other girl on this blog. Right, Joanne?

        1. Katie in Kentwood says:

          Aw I found a friend how special!!!

        2. joanne says:

          boom, he is desperate for a lady friend. I can tell you that

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          You know who’s desperate…”Handcuffs” Hansen. He’s been forced to admit that global temperatures have not been warming:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          …my best to everyone at Lakeshore Auto!

  32. Dan says:

    Katie: You are a democrat and you disagree with joanne, Big Daddy, WQ, etc?
    It is interesting. You all are supposed to be on the same side

    1. joanne says:

      Im a Republican

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      I’m an independent, although I consider myself a moderate.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        ROFLMAO!!! You’re a moderate like the NFL replacement refs never made a bad call! You’re a moderate like Bernie Madoff was an honest businessman! You’re a moderate like LG Chem turned out millions of energy-saving batteries! (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/LG-Chem-plant-workers-on-furloughs) Emperor’s New Clothes!!!!!

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I don’t understand where this offensive, condescending tone of yours comes from. You don’t know me. I am a moderate and have voted for candidates from both parties. What people like you don’t understand is that most of us aren’t extremist. We see the world in shades of grey, not only black and white. And that’s the way our political system used to work…both parties cooperated for the betterment of the citizens of this country and not just their donors.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          It comes from exposing your lies, your deceit and hot your scheme to force “skyrocketing” utility rates and $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline prices on the poor and middle class is so at odds with fact, data and logic!

          CO2 emissions in the U.S. are falling:
          http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1

          and even the most radical of climate alarmists has had to admit that global temperatures are not rising as expected:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          We’re wasting money hand over fist: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

    3. Katie in Kentwood says:

      Done with this political BS. This is a weather blog. Keep it that way.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Amen

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          CO2 emissions in the U.S. are falling:
          http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1

          and even the most radical of climate alarmists has had to admit that global temperatures are not rising as expected:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

  33. Pauline says:

    Very disappointed. Came to this thread to try and see if anyone had any predictions about this coming winter and had to wade through all of the back and forth name calling and “mine is better than yours” bologna. I guess I’ll just wait until I see it posted that the winter forecast is up. I used to enjoy reading the comments to threads, now I feel like I just watched a school yard fight.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      …More like an episode of Jerry Springer, which I believe Paul and his sister/cousin have been on at least twice.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        big Daddy is a serial liar. He told us that Romney was a polygamist. Romney isn’t. Truth is that support for climate catastrophe and it’s money grab is cooling: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/green-fatigue-sets-in-the-world-cools-on-global-warming-8513826.html

        That’s because we now know that CO2 emissions in the U.S. are falling:
        http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1

        and even the most radical of climate alarmists has had to admit that global temperatures are not rising as expected:

        “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

        We’re wasting money hand over fist: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

        Don’t believe the climate profiteers, the serial liars, those who want to send your utility bills “skyrocketing” and force you to buy expensive carcinogen-filled light bulbs.

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