Cold Halloween?

October 15th, 2012 at 2:08 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

  Click on the image to enlarge.  OK, it’s the GFS and the GFS is notorious for bringing down the cold too soon and too strong in Autumn…but…it this is right…it’ll be a cool Halloween.  The GFS brings snow showers to the area around the 25th – and this is an even colder shot with the likelihood of lake-effect snow showers and temperatures probably in the 30s.  We’re 2 1/2 degrees cooler than average for October, and it doesn’t look like we can make that up.  This could be the coolest month relative to average across the Great Lakes in over a year.    ALSO:  The coldest Halloween in G.R. was in 1988, the same year that we had a record 37 days of 90-degree heat.

101 Responses to “Cold Halloween?”

  1. INDY says:

    Last of the thunderstorms yesterday now bring on snowstorms!! Snow on Halloween BRING IT!!! INDYY..

    1. fixxxer says:

      do you really want to ruin halloween for the kids just because your a winter nut? i dunno about you but if it snows my kids won’t be going out.

      1. Phil McKracken says:

        Sounds like you’ll be ruining it for them not the weather!

        1. fixxxer says:

          any parent with half a brain wouldn’t drag their kid out in snow and freezing cold just for candy. hell ill go buy them some.

        2. Phil McKracken says:

          I figured you’d go out in any weather just for the free candy. You free loader think how you could feed your kids for weeks on that stuff. How is the job search going?

        3. fixxxer says:

          Lol love it. Thanks for your concern but i wont be needing a job anytime soon. My family and i are great. Your reply alone just made my week. ;)

        4. I trick or treated in the late 70′s with a snowmobile suit under my costume. It’s not about the candy – it’s about going out in your costume and having fun!

        5. Phil McKracken says:

          Good to hear Fixx. I’ll send you more food stamps! I hope you’re right about it being a warm winter cause i hate to see you hurt your wrist again when you shovel the walkways. i would hate to see you even have to work even.

        6. Rumrunner says:

          Wow Phil. You’re kind of a dick.

        7. Jeff (Nothern Ionia) says:

          Im only 19 and i do remeber a halloween here in Ionia where we had snow. It was only like a 1/2inch but you know what, it was the best Halloween I have ever had.

      2. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

        Typical Michigan… Who, of those who grew up in Michigan, *doesn’t* remember trick-or-treating at least a few years while wearing a snowsuit under their costume while still a kid? It’s just part of the fun! :)

      3. michael g (SE GR) says:

        Is it in some way harmful for kids to go outside in snow? Weird.

      4. Brad (Lawrence) says:

        I’m a winter nut, but snow can wait until December. I REALLY like to get through Thanksgiving without snow as I have a lot to do outside before snow gets here.

    2. Deb (Ann Arbor) says:

      Won’t happen INDY sorry to say but it has never happened before when I was living in Michigan for 18 years

      1. Rumrunner says:

        I think it was 91 or 92 it was colder than hell with snow falling. I lived in Muskegon at the time. So you just missed out…LOL

        1. Mike (Wyoming) says:

          I remember a pretty cold Halloween and a pretty good amount of snow fell the day after.

        2. Irish coffee says:

          ’89, fwiw

  2. Yeah – well they also said we would have a warmer than average October, and I am still waiting for my Indian Summer! :)

    1. fixxxer says:

      too late for any indian type summer.

      1. Cort S. says:

        Contradiction time!

        Indian Summer definition:

        Mid-October is not too late for Indian summer. It’s actually the perfect time for it: the first killing frost is likely to have happened, and high temperatures can easily reach the 70s with sunshine for a few days in a row, if only the jet stream wave pattern were to cooperate. Sadly, you’re probably not going to get one this month.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Make you and the bloggers a deal cort. IF we get any kind of snow on halloween ill play nice this winter and go with the flow, be positive. If not… l@@k out. ;)

          Serious too.

        2. Cort S. says:

          That’s not a good bet for me to make. It’s climatologically unlikely to receive snow on the day of Halloween. I’d be betting the farm with pocket 3,2.

        3. Very true, Cort! If it won’t warm up – I just need it dry the Next Two Saturdays. Our last 2 marching band competitions were rained on, but the next two are crucial in order for us to make it to State Finals at Ford Field. STAY DRY!

      2. Tim says:

        We should have an Indian Summer day on Wednesday

  3. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Florida was hot =)

    I remember a few Halloweens with snow showers as a kid. It never stopped the candy tunnel vision.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Growing up in macomb in the 70′s & 80′s i only remember one snowy halloween. Maybe over here its different.

  4. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Here we go again with the long range GFS. If this model is as bad as it was last winter, it will be very unreliable. Lets hope that this model and all of the other long range models do a much better job this year, otherwise I would recommend not even looking at long range model forecasts.

    1. fixxxer says:

      i agree.

  5. fixxxer says:

    right now halloween looks to be in the 50′s for highs and upper 30′s for lows. im not seeing any snow.

    1. Cort S. says:

      16-day GFS forecast = unreliable

      16-day AccuWeather forecast = reliable


      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Intersting, both are totally unreliable because the ACCUweather long range forecasts are computer generated from the GFS models!

        1. fixxxer says:

          And what did your crystal ball say “rj” erm.. i mean rocky. ;)

        2. Cort S. says:

          He did hit on my point, though. You can’t throw the long-range GFS in the garbage can and then rip & read off AccuWeather. AccuWeather is essentially a blend of the very models which we threw away.

  6. Jack says:

    Singing…Bobby Boris Pickett…. MONSTER MASH……… ;-)

  7. Cort S. says:

    Chaos theory and the butterfly effect:

    Here is what happens you run the same model 20 different times, but tweak the initial conditions ever so slightly with each run…

    Click here for animation

    Notice how the solutions start to diverge rapidly after the 120th forecast hour. We can use ensembles like these to judge our confidence in a given forecast. Since all 20 solutions are basically the same in the first 5 days, we can say that we have a relatively high degree of confidence in the forecast of the general weather pattern. But after 5 days, our confidence in the forecast dwindles to the point where after 7 or 8 days, we would be better off throwing darts. It’s at that point where we must begin express temperature and precipitation forecasts in terms of probability and departures from normal, like the CPC does:

    Note that some atmospheric flow regimes are more predictable than others. Sometimes we have a high degree of confidence in forecasts beyond one week (like we did with the heat waves in March and July), but sometimes we have low degrees of confidence only a few days out.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Exactly the Dart Board method has just as good of a chance of being correct vs all these fancy models. Thanks for confirming my point!

    2. Chrispy says:


      Thanks for the animation – it definitely proves the point.

      I do have a question though. If you look at the 10/30 and 10/31 frames, there you’ll notice several models (3 or 4) in some agreement with the Bill’s post. When you see that agreement, even though those models got there differently, does that increase the confidence for that result or is it just coincidence?

      1. Cort S. says:

        At that point, I feel like it’s just a coincidence. But something that I notice, by doing a bit of wishy-washy mental smoothing, is that it seems like the general mode among the many ensemble members is for some broad-scale troughing over the eastern US. So maybe there is a slightly elevated chance of below-normal temperatures during the Halloween period? Naturally, the exact weather that happens on a specific day will depend on our location within short-scale ridges/troughs that are passing through the broad-scale trough. So it is impossible to make a deterministic forecast that far out (deterministic = pick a specific number for high, low, and precip chance).

        I don’t know… it’s getting into a realm of forecasting that I don’t really know too much about, and the crystal ball seems quite cloudy to say the least. I would therefore refer you to the CPC’s 8-14 day outlook for some probability-based predictions. They look at a whole lot more than just one run of the GFS ensembles. Oh, and click here for their discussion and reasoning for their forecast, if you’re looking for some sleep-inducing bedtime reading material. :)

        1. Chrispy says:

          Thanks for the response. I have noticed that CPC does a good job with their 6-10 and 8-14 day outlooks. One month is fairly decent, and the the three month always stays above average for Great Lakes so I just ignore it.

          I did check out the discussion and reasoning….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ;)

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Very perceptive. CPC NEVER puts a below average temperature area out in their +3-month outlooks. We think they have been told to do that to encourage global warming alarmism. You know darn well with the cold PDO and cold water sitting off the West Coast that you’re going to have months with cooler than average temperatures there. Look how cold it was in Alaska last winter.

        3. Brad says:

          BTW, that conspiracy theory puts you in the loony bin. Geez!

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Go here: From the 5.5 month to the 12.5 month, you won’t find a single below average temperature for any of these 8 maps. It’s nice to see a below average area on a 3-month map. They have to use below average as the time frame gets shorter.

          Here’s a U.S. temperature anomaly map for the past month:

          Now look at the September forecast for October and for October-December from CPC:

  8. Deb (Ann Arbor) says:

    Ah I remember living in Michigan and loving the first snow when I was a kid I honestly though don’t ever remember a time even receiving a flurry just before or on Halloween so I don’t think any of you in WM will receive any snow I think it will be mid Nov before any of you even see your first snow of course though you never know

    Have a great evening :)

    1. Glenn Pohl says:

      Actually Deb, those of us in W. Mich have had plenty of October Snows before Halloween even in the last 25 years! One even was so heavy that with the leaves still on the trees, knocked the power out for several days and that was in 97 or 98 so it can happen!

      1. Deb (Ludington) says:

        OK I just remember all the years that I have lived here I can’t remember a time when it snowed on Halloween but I could be wrong ;)

      2. Elizabeth says:

        It would have been 1997, maybe October 19-20? I was living at home in Holland and commuting to GVSU. I went in for a Sunday night quartet rehearsal and when I came out two hours later it was snowing so hard you couldn’t see but a few feet in front of you. My normal 30 minute commute took an hour and I missed a downed tree at the last possible moment. My first class the next day was cancelled because the professor was dealing with a tree that had collapsed into her house.

        I remember the year I trick or treated in my snow suit as well…1989 would have been about right…

  9. Sandi says:

    “snow showers to the area around the 25th – and this is an even colder shot with the likelihood of lake-effect snow showers” – Noooooooooooooooooo!!! Say it isn’t so. (-;

  10. INDY says:

    Let it snow let it snow let it snow!!!! Hey Phil keep up the great thoughts I mean bloggs !!!! So Verry true!! Let it snow let it snow let it snow!! INDYYY..

  11. michael g (SE GR) says:

    While acknowledging that the GFS is probably carried away, that is one MASSIVE cold shot for October that it is showing.

  12. kevin. w says:

    Yep and so is this model!Geopotential%20500%20hPa%20and%20Temperature%20at%20850%20hPa!240!North%20America!pop!od!oper!public_plots!2010040812!/

    I see the new JMA model is still holding its gun on a pretty harsh winter especially the midwest and northeast and the east central parts of Canada look to be the hardest hit according to this model. But with a no show of El Nino this could be a colder than average winter if we don’t get the warmer waters and the strong pacific jet cutting off the arctic express for us.

    1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

      ???? warmer water do you mean warmer air I am confused please help???

  13. kevin. w says:

    The warmer waters pumping the warmer air into the western states and across the U.S. in turn cutting off any hope of arctic air intrusions. Lets hope for more Greenland blocking because we know what happen last with a no show on that part.

    1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

      OK I thought you meant the warmer waters of Lake Michigan and I was like what that can’t even be possible because when colder air crosses the warmer waters we get huge lake effect snowstorms yes lets hope for a Greenland blocking for more snow :)

  14. big Daddy BC says:

    All this cold talk and September is tied as the warmest September in history, globally. Wow! Good bet 2012 will be the hottest year planet Earth’s had since record keeping began.

    “The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for September 2012 tied with 2005 as the warmest September on record, at 0.67°C (1.21°F) above the 20th century average of 15.6°C (60.1°F). Records began in 1880.”

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      It’s interesting to note that this September featured a 21-day category five hurricane, the fifth longest ever recorded AND (January – September) are officially the hottest nine months in US history.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Here’s accumulated cyclone energy: We remain in a multi-year low for tropical cyclones. While we had a fair number of named storms this year in the Atlantic, and Nadine wandered around for a relatively long time…the Eastern Pacific had a low count and low intensity (not surprising with the cold PDO) and the Western Pacific was on the low side, too. We won’t get into the storms that are getting named now that never would have been named before.

        While 2012 has been warm so far (October’s unadjusted temperatures may end up colder than average and we still don’t know where Nov. and Dec. will end up), the world in general has been very close to the 30-year average in 2012: Today the global anomaly shows +0.027 degree warmer than average…or about 1/40th of a degree. Certainly not worth “skyrocketing” energy prices and “European gasoline prices”.

        Arctic ice is now back to a greater extent than five years ago: Antarctic ice extent remains at near record extent…much greater than average and much greater than one year ago:

      2. Brian(Grandville) says:

        The fifth, not the first, second, or third. Not impressed. Nice try though.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          That reminds me of the time I said that you could go forth and be second in the first Fifth-Third Riverbank Run.

        2. Rumrunner says:

          I think I came in 5th from last in the Run last year…LOL

      3. big Daddy BC says:

        Hottest September in history, Hottest nine months in history, Hottest Month ever was July, Hottest Decade in History while the previous was the second hottest…and all you have is cyclone energy? LOL Despite all that, you and the rest of your ilk remain deniers.
        BTW, your link is to Maue, Rush Limbaugh’s guy. Hardly a trustworthy scientist.

        Here’s a great comparison of heat trends.

        1. Mike M. says:

          All you have are the massaged data for nine months on 1% of the Earth’s surface. You would have to step it up just to be considered pathetic. Global warming ended 16 years ago you fat fool…


          Let me guess, Hadcrut 4 is a denier data set because you don’t agree with it. I thought so.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!! Yes, Mike M., you’re right. How did NOAA miss that important publication from GLAM ENTERTAINMENT?! We need to get this to the world’s scientists as quickly as possible!

          You’re a total idiot.

        3. Mike M. says:

          I can’t help it if you can’t read. Where do you get “Glam entertainment” out of the British Met Office? Do you really not know what Hadcrut 4 is? The parts with the blue letters? That’s called a “hyperlink.” Click on it and it will take you to somewhere else on the “Internet.” Here’s another picture of you, big duddy!

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Glam Entertainment produced that crap you’re trying to pass as science. Scroll down past the zillion right-wing posts and you’ll find it. Way to go, Slick. You’re still an idiot.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Greatest one month increase in Arctic ice in history (satellite era): More ice now than on this date 5 years ago.

  15. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

    Cold snow rain sleet, whatever the 1 thing I am NOT looking forward to are the stores playing Christmas music before Halloween is even here!! Or the day after well before Thanksgiving, I HATE Christmas music playing continuously for 2mths straight, takes away from the true meaning and spirit by time Christmas arrives so many people, I for one am sick of CHristmas music so when I know Halloween is fast approaching I know retail stores are digging out their music, heck they are already stocking up CHristmas supplies and it’s not even Halloween! Mid October!

    1. John (Holland) says:

      Traditionally Christmas was celebrated Dec 25 to Jan 6 (Epiphany). Those are the 12 Days of Christmas devoted to celebration. It’s not right to celebrate before the holiday actually happens in my opinion.

      1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

        I agree

        1. bobcat says:

          Never heard a store playing Christmas music before Halloween. Some think of Halloween as a holiday. It’s not a ‘Holiday’. It has turned into a fun day for kids to get some candy from neighbors.
          Sad to hear you get ‘sick’ of the Christmas music. I could listen to it all year long… Silent Night, Holy Night….

  16. John (Holland) says:

    Snow in October? My body is ready.

  17. sb(anchorage) says:

    We already had our first snowfall in the Anchorage bowl in September.
    Our average first snowfall is later in October, so we are quite early this year.
    After the huge snowfall last winter, we say ‘boo’ to the new snow.

  18. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    I just found out today that I am getting a business trip down to Florida sometime in November this should be exciting :D I can escape the cold weather for at least a couple weeks :) but don’t worry I will still be blogging during those couple weeks :)

  19. Tim says:

    Great, we could have snow just in time for the World Series, which I think game three would be Friday the 26th in the Ameican leauge city (hopefully Detroit)

  20. Mike Geukes says:

    Michigan Crop Weather

    October 15, 2012

    Week Ending Date
    October 14, 2012


    Agricultural Summary

    Field Crops

    Four days were suitable for field work last week. Cooler than normal
    temperatures abounded and wet weather arrived late in the week. Temperatures
    ranged from 7 to 8 degrees below normal in the Upper Peninsula and 5 to 7
    degrees below normal in the Lower Peninsula. Precipitation ranged from 1.25
    inches to 2.65 inches in the Upper Peninsula and 0.91 to 3.43 inches in the
    Lower Peninsula. Corn was harvested between rains this past week, however
    harvest activities slowed as some fields were too wet to work after the
    weekend rains. Soybean harvest continued at an above average rate. Dry
    bean harvest was nearly complete in the Thumb region. Early dig of
    sugarbeets continued. Growers were waiting for favorable weather for long-
    term storage before piling. Recent rain has been beneficial for winter wheat
    emergence. There were reports of dairy farmers in south central Michigan
    chopping a fifth cutting of hay.

    Soil Moisture and Crop Condition Tables

    Soil moisture for week ending 10/14/12
    : Very : : :
    Stratum : short : Short :Adequate:Surplus
    : Percent
    Topsoil : 10 25 57 8
    Subsoil : 28 33 38 1

    Crop condition for week ending 10/14/12
    : Very : : : :
    Crop : poor : Poor : Fair : Good :Excellent
    : Percent
    Corn : 20 26 26 23 5
    Pasture : 16 26 31 19 8

    Crop progress for week ending 10/14/12
    : This : Last : Last : 5-year
    Crop : week : week : year : average
    : Days
    Days Suitable for Fieldwork : 4 5 — —
    : Percent
    All hay, fourth cutting : 71 59 51 52
    Corn, mature : 95 90 81 86
    Corn, harvested : 36 23 12 22
    Dry beans, harvested : 94 82 85 86
    Soybeans, harvested : 67 46 42 47
    Sugarbeets, harvested : 25 21 18 22
    Winter wheat, planted : 76 49 59 64
    Winter wheat, emerged : 25 15 17 27

    1. Mike Geukes says:

      36 percent of corn harvested, beans 67 percent harvested

  21. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    Well… I think I would rather have a “snowy” Halloween than a wet one in the 30′s. But then again, I would like to see my garden go into November… ;-)


    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Here’s a lengthy response to your link from a real climatologist, Bob Tisdale:

      BTW – they’ll have to burn a lot of carbon to keep this puppy running:

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      That’s a blog, Bill. LOL You climate change deniers are really grasping at straws these days.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          If you expect the public to take you seriously, you need to use credible sources. Watts is a blog master with an activist agenda. That’s not science. Put something credible up and I’ll be glad to give it the attention it deserves.

          I’m curious why you just linked a political poll. What’s that got to do with climate change???

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          I noticed that your link grays out Antarctica, which was the coldest part of the world relative to average in September.

          Watts has the most read climate blog in the world and he won a Bloggie for Best Science Blog. Go here and check it out for yourself: Dozens of qualified and competent scientists comment here, including several former and current State Climatologists.

          I saw this comment on “As the Democrats become more committed to, and defined by, a green agenda, and as they become dependent on money from high-tech venture capitalists and their lobbyists, it becomes harder to describe them as a party for the little guy – or liberalism as a philosophy of distributive justice.” – Charles Lane, “Liberals Green-Energy Contradictions,” The Washington Post, October 15, 2012.

          The average global temperature for 2012 is a whopping 1/50th of a degree warmer than average!

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          A Bloggie? And you’re bragging about that? LOL Anyone can post on a blog as whomever they want to be. The beauty about a right-wing blog like Watts is that there’s no ownership. Nothing’s peer reviewed and he and his paid-for friends can make any outrageous claims they like. As long as it resembles science, people like you will hold it up as proof that mainstream science is wrong. There’s no shortage of stupid people out there that will believe your lies (Mike M is a prime example), but don’t dilute yourself into thinking you’re convincing any educated or rational people.
          You’re laughed about by your colleagues and other professionals in your field. I’ve witnessed it.
          Hey, Mike. Are you talking about the three debates, two of which the democratic team dominated? Obama and Biden both spoke numerous times about the need for a balanced approach to energy production and both spoke numerous times about zero emission energy sources like wind and solar.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Actually, Watts is a 3-time Bloggie Winner and also a Lifetime Achievement Award for Best Science Blog. He’s had 128,503,954 views. How many page views do you think you’d get with a blog, bigD…you could lie (you said “Romney is a polygamist”), distort, make fun of the race, religion or appearance of those who disagree with you – wax eloquent about trying to force people taking care of a grandparent at home to join the SEIU. Go for it! No one would read your drivel. That’s why you come here…multiple times a day (adding to my hit count, thanks!). People see that you’re mean, people see that you’re the guy we’d never want to have for a boss or even a neighbor.

          The point is that you’re NOT for a balanced approach to energy…you’re (and the rest of the far left) against coal, oil, natural gas, hydro…many of you are against wind (they spoil the view and birds run into the turbines). I’m all for development of wind, solar…other sources…but not the way this administration has done it:

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          …A three time bloggie winner. LOL ;) That’s really great and I’m proud of all the page views he’s gotten. I’m also flattered that you’re comparing him to me, but a more honest comparison might be between him and NOAA, because that’s who he’s competing with. You could compare him and his bloggies to NASA too, or Berkeley Earth or the IPCC or the World Meteorological Association. Again, you’re trying to compare apples to oranges. Watts may be a really exciting read for someone like you, but he’s not publishing real science. It’s not informational. It’s inflammatory rhetoric and it has no place in an honest discussion about climate change. …But you already know that and you lost your own credibility years ago.

        6. Mike M. says:

          With anymore Dem “victories” in the debates it will be a Reaganesque landslide for Mitt…

          The surge started after the disgraceful Biden performance. Next week? Foreign policy and more Obama mendacity over his disgraceful cover up of the Benghazi terror attack.
          You back a loser big duddy because you ARE a loser.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          Biden took Eddy Munster to school. …Nothing disgraceful about it. Obama beat Romney on style and substance. Next week will be no different. You can’t play CEO with the president of the United States. Romney needs to take his millions, his magic underwear, and his fuzzy little VP-hopeful and go back to his Mormon compound.

          I can’t tell you funny it is that you think you have a chance. You must be watching FOX. LOL

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          All you’ve got left is to make fun of a person’s looks or religion.

          Gallup Tracking Poll has Romney up by 7%:

          Tweet from Joe Trippi:

          Joe Trippi ‏@JoeTrippi

          With today’s Gallup Tracking numbers Romney 52% & Obama 45% — I do not think Gallup is an anomaly. Dems should take it seriously.

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          I checked your link. The FOX poll was Oct. 7 to 9 – it’s old. The three up-to-date tracking polls have Obama +2, Romney +6 and a tie. More on the latest polls:

          A couple of tweets about New Hampshire:

          NumbersMuncher @NumbersMuncher

          New PPP (D) poll in NH has Romney up 1, 49-48. They had Obama up 6 in their last poll.
          19 Oct 12

          PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls

          NH voters think Obama won debate by 8 pts, still support Romney by 1. Democrats need to accept debate this week was not a big game changer

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          Mamouth and FOX were 10/9 and 10/10 respectively. Those were the only other ones that had Romney ahead, so gallup’s all you got and they muff it badly every election.

          Obama’s defeat of Romney Tuesday wasn’t expected to bump the president up too far, only stop the decline, which it did. The real clincher will be Monday. The problem your Mormon leader has is that he’s going to have to win two swing states. Even if he wears his magic underwear and pulls off the best debate in history, that won’t happen. Consider that this debate is over foreign policy. You realize Ryan was just parading around with Condi Rice the other day. Most of Romney’s foreign policy team is made up of old Bush cronies. Neither Ryan or Romney has a lick of foreign policy experience. All they have is the old Bush team. I don’t think that’s gonna play well Monday.

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          I suppose you also believe that Elvis is at the Burger King in Kalamazoo! LOL Here’s the latest polls:

          PPP is a DEMOCRATIC polling firm and they have Romney ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire!

          Orlando Sentinel endorses Romney! They endorsed Obama in 2008. Here’s more:

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          The Salt Lake City Tribune endorsed Obama!! LOL

          The Tribune, published by MediaNews Group, criticized Romney’s “servile courtship of the Tea Party” to win his party’s nomination and called him “shameless” in pandering to various constituencies, terming him the GOP’s “shape-shifting nominee.”


  22. Cyndee says:

    I can remember taking my 5 year old nephew one halloween and the snow was near his knees, and he waded thru it in a snow suit! had to be in the early 90′s

    1. Rob says:

      I believe that was 92 or 93 .

  23. Rob says:

    So Bill are you saying it will snow on Halloween ? if so how many Inches or how many feet of Snow ? .

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Odds are against getting snow…but it will be cool…could be low 40s while the kids are out in the evening.

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