Hurricane Sandy

October 28th, 2012 at 9:40 pm by under Bill's Blog, News, Weather

[Image of 5-day forecast and coastal areas under a warning or a watch]   26″ of snow in Garrett Co., Maryland – I-68 was closed.  The massive fire in Queens consumed at least 100 homes.  Half of Hoboken, NJ was underwater, with 2 fire houses evacuated.    8.5 million customers were without power.  110 fatalities in the U.S. (many hit by falling trees). There were 67 fatalities in the Caribbean and one fatality so far in Toronto (woman hit by a flying sign).   Electrical Explosion in NYC!   Wind gusts hit 64 mph at the S. Haven Lighthouse  and 69 mph at Michigan City, IN.  Waves at the mid-Lake Michigan buoy peaked at 20.3 feet (water temp. 53).  The water level has surpassed the all-time record  at Battery Park in NYC, 13 ft. storm surge.  More than a million customers without power now.  The center of Sandy came onshore late this afternoon and is moving thru Pennsylvania, later to turn north into New York State and up into Quebec.   By Midnight, 12″ of new snow was reported at Odd, West Virginia with 6″ at Beckley.   Coastal Flooding.  Wind Gusts: 124 mph Mt. Washington NH, 94 mph Eaton’s Neck NY, 89 mph at Surf City, NJ,  85 mph Plum Is. (northeast edge of Long Island) and Madison CT, 90 mph Islip NY, 79 mph at New York (JFK), 78 mph at Newark NJ, 76 mph Bridgeport and Groton CT., 71 mph at N. Philadelphia, 69 mph New York Harbor, 61 mph Wallops IS. VA,  60 mph Boston, 59 mph Providence RI, Pamona NJ and Sussex NJ,  and Trenton NJ.  They’ve had a gust over 60 mph in St. Clair Co. Michigan with tree damage.    pic.twitter.com/7DVhqcup Much of Atlantic City NJ has been underwater.    60 mph gusts at the shore30-foot waves on the coast!  45-foot waves forecast just offshore.  The Atlantic City Boardwalk is already starting to disintrigrate.   25-foot waves reported in Cape May, NJ. Water was up to New York Ave., 2 blocks from the beach.   Buoy reports wind gust of 130 mph!  Sandy moved onshore in  S. New Jersey late Monday PM and is now moving thru Pennsylvania toward N.Y. and Quebec.  Here’s a satellite loopWebcams to watch.   Here’s a picture of the Ventnor Pier (you might know that place from Monopoly), which is just south of Atlantic City.  Check the current tide at Atlantic City.  Here’s JFK in NYC at 8:30 PM Sunday evening! This will be a historic storm from S. New England down to Washington D.C…all-time record low pressures for New Jersey and Delaware.  The strong E-SE wind to the north of where the center comes ashore (New Jersey, New York, possibly all the way NE to Cape Cod. will create a very high storm surge, made worse because of the full moon72-hour rainfall forecast up to 11″BLIZZARD Warnings are up for the higher mountain areas of W. Virginia.  Pictures here.

Links:  New Jersey/NYC weather map, surface weather observations for New Jersey, E. Penn., Delaware, E. Maryland, estimated rainfall, Storm Discussion from the Hurricane Center, Forecast Advisory, Public Advisory, New York (City) radar, Long Island radarNew Jersey radar, Delaware radar, E. Virginia radar, E Coast Regional radar, Great Lakes Regional radar, Boston radar, New York City NWS Forecast Discussion, Philadephia NWS Forecast Discussion.

Check out Cool Weather for Storm Reports.  Also, Local Storm Reports from:  Wash. D.C./MD, E. North Carolina, E. Virginia.  Here‘s snow reports from W. Virginia.  Also, from Joe D’Aleo:  “Gasoline spiked today as 70% of the refinery capacity was shut down as a precaution (Philadelphia/Delaware Bay). If there is damage from flooding and the refineries are not able to go back on in a day or so, expect to see $4 gas again in the east. That area accounts for 2/3rds of the eastern gasoline.”

233 Responses to “Hurricane Sandy”

  1. Tyra says:

    Bill,
    Did you see the ring around the moon? What causes it?
    Thanks,
    Tyra

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      That’s caused by high, thin clouds made up of tiny ice crystals. The crystals bounce the moonlight into the ring. The full moon of October is the Hunter’s Moon.

    2. Imthemom (just n holland) says:

      Last year I consistently saw beautiful blue rings around the moon, but after having my cataracts out it went away. Oh well you can’t have everything.

    3. Kimoeagle says:

      That’s a “moondog” (as opposed to a “sundog”!! (Remember “Moondoggie”?????

    4. Mark(Okemos) says:

      Fixxxer’s unrelenting optimism?

  2. I am going to leave my mark in History with this one! :) Driving from Grand Rapids to Lansing tonight listening to CBS-Philly – WOW – everything is shut down and warnings going out over and over about not traveling and keeping certain numbers close at hand. I hope everyone prepared and will just stay inside for sure!

  3. Sandy(Hudsonville) says:

    I can’t imagine having a “super storm” named after me either! I am not liking this storm though. I lived out on the east coast back in early 1970′s near NewPort,RI & the noreasters(not sure on spelling) we would get would last for days. When ever we would get a hurricane our way it would really be scary.

  4. fixxxer says:

    Glad we should be ok here. I wish them the best on the eastcoast if it does pan out.

    1. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Don’t worry fixx. I’ve been hearing (from you) that it won’t be that bad,

      1. INDY says:

        lololololo….INDYY…

        1. KevinS (Saugatuck) says:

          Lol

  5. MKGMama says:

    Should look up the video of the guy who tried to take a boat out of Shark River Inlet in NJ. Heard that he capsized a short time later off Belmar Beach.

    When will people learn to listen to warnings?

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      I can appreciate people trying to save their boats – but where would one go?? There wasn’t anyplace particularly safe along the entire east coast!

  6. Jill C. says:

    Hubby is down in Texas for a long weekend/birthday present, visiting kids and grandkids. Wonder if his flight from DFW to GRR Tuesday night will get cancelled or delayed due to the airlines’ “domino effect” or even high winds?

    1. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Heard on CNBC this morning that the airlines had enough notice to get most of their planes out of the north east. Hopefully that will help them keep most of their other flights moving.

  7. Katie in Kentwood says:

    With the high winds I went out and got some batteries for my flashlights and some canned food (cupboards were bare anyway so I needed it) just in case the power goes out…

  8. Katie in Kentwood says:

    high winds we are supposed to get*

  9. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

    000
    FXUS63 KGRR 290756
    AFDGRR

    AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI
    356 AM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

    .SYNOPSIS…
    ISSUED AT 356 AM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

    THE REMNANTS OF HURRICANE SANDY WILL MOVE INTO EASTERN PENNSYLANIA
    LATE TONIGHT…THEN SLOWLY MOVE INTO WESTERN NEW YORK STATE BY
    WEDNESDAY. SOUTHWEST MICHIGAN WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS STORM WITH
    INCREASING WINDS LATER TODAY. WIND GUSTS WILL INCREASE TO AS HIGH
    AS 45 MPH BY TUESDAY BEFORE THEY FINALLY DIMINISH LATE TUESDAY
    NIGHT. THE REGION WILL ALSO SEE RAIN MOVE IN FROM THE EAST BY LATE
    TONIGHT. ALONG WITH THE RAIN SOME SNOW SHOULD MIX IN FROM TIME TO
    TIME. PRECIPITATION CHANCES SHOULD CONTINUE THROUGH WEDNESDAY
    NIGHT…WITH DRY WEATHER EXPECTED FOR THE LATTER PART OF THE WEEK.

    &&

    .SHORT TERM…(TODAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY)
    ISSUED AT 356 AM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

    FORECAST STILL LARGELY INTACT WITH THIS PACKAGE. MAIN IMPACT TODAY
    WILL BE THE INCREASING WINDS. NOT SURE IF WE WILL REACH ADVISORY
    CRITERIA…BUT IT WILL BECOME WINDY BY AFTERNOON…AND TOO
    BORDERLINE TO NOT HAVE SOMETHING OUT. SO WILL MAINTAIN THE ADVISORY
    THAT WILL START LATE THIS AFTERNOON. TUESDAY SHOULD BE EVEN WINDIER
    WITH THE COASTAL AREAS LIKELY SEEING GUSTS TO 45-50 MPH AND INLAND
    AREAS FLIRTING WITH 45 MPH. WINDS SHOULD FINALLY DROP OFF LATE
    TUESDAY NIGHT AS THE REMNANT LOW BEGINS TO WEAKEN.

    AS FOR PCPN CHANCES. IT APPEARS MOST OF THE AREA WILL STAY DRY
    TODAY…ALTHOUGH CAN NOT RULE OUT A FEW SHOWERS REACHING JACKSON AND
    INGHAM COUNTIES. HOWEVER THE MAIN PUSH OF MOISTURE COMES IN AFTER
    MIDNIGHT TONIGHT WHEN ALL AREAS SHOULD BEGIN TO SEE SOME RAIN. WILL
    BUMP TO LIKELY POPS EAST OF A MOP-AZO LINE FOR TONIGHT. WE WILL
    NEED TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SNOW POTENTIAL FOR LATE TONIGHT INTO
    EARLY TUESDAY…ESPECIALLY SE OF I-69. FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOW THE
    POSSIBILITY FOR ALL SNOW FOR A PERIOD THERE AND LIGHT ACCUMS ARE
    POSSIBLE. WILL CONTINUE TO FEATURE A RAIN/SNOW MIX FOR NOW.

    ALSO INCREASED POPS TO LIKELY FROM TUESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY AS THE
    REMNANT LOW IS ONLY PROGGED TO MOVE SLOWLY NORTH TO WESTERN NY
    STATE. DEFORMATION MOISTURE WILL LINGER OVER THE REGION. WE SHOULD
    ALSO BEGIN TO SEE A BIT OF LAKE EFFECT ENHANCEMENT INTO THIS PERIOD
    AS DELTA T/S RANGE FROM 12 TO 15 WITH NO INVERSION. MEAN LAYER
    WINDS WILL BE 330-350…SO THE BULK OF ANY ENHANCEMENT WILL HUG THE
    COAST.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Very cool animation Mike.

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      That doesn’t bode well for Cedar Point – look at the winds coming across Ontario and Erie!!

      1. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

        Used to work at CP for quite a few years… The season ended on Saturday, I think, so they’ve had a couple of days to get things squared away without guests in the way. The park does a great job of monitoring weather (they kind of have to :) ). They have a monitor dedicated to radar in the Park Operations office. Wind and high waves *can* be a problem out there, however; a few years back a fairly-new ride collapsed over the winter months due to high winds.

        I remember one storm in particular where it rained so hard that the midway flooded, and trash cans floated away (not out into the lake, though!).

  10. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    We’re already feeling Sandy here in East Michigan with rain and winds in what appears to be a very outer band (or maybe it’s another low that got mushed together?). Either way, it’s coming from the east, so it’s definitely a result of Sandy.

    Talk about a big storm.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Yeah we have, very windy over here!

  11. INDY says:

    60 MPH+ WINDS ARE HERE GET YOUR FLASHLIGHTS ON!!! DRINK SOME SPRITES AND WATCH THE STORM ROLL IN TONIGHT!!!! INDYY…..

    1. Me :-) says:

      That would be very impressive. Thinking about driving to the lake tomorrow morning. We probably won’t see waves that high for a long long time. An it gives me an excuse to take the day off. :-)

    2. Cort S. says:

      Here is a model forecast of wave heights on Lake Michigan:
      http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/anim.php?lake=m&param=wv&type=f

  12. Dusty says:

    I’m sorry Bill, but you say that the storm surge will be made worse by the full moon. Are you saying that the moon will increase the tide because it is full? I would hope not…

    1. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

      This explained it to me: http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/1029/Hurricane-Sandy-Does-a-full-moon-cause-high-tides-How I just did a Google search for “full moon tides.”

  13. Tom L says:

    Just curious as to why the cable newscasts are saying that we out here in the mid-west are also in danger of losing power due to this monster storm which is targeting the east coast.
    Is it simply because of the higher winds we will be getting or are we, somehow, connected to the same power grid that blankets the east coast?
    It might sound like a dumb question but, well, I am just curious…
    Tom

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Not sure where you’re located, but where I am they are forecasting sustained winds of 45-50 mph winds. That will knock out a lot of power.

      1. fixxxer says:

        detroit will probably get more winds from this than we will over here.

        1. INDY says:

          REALLY WOW!!!!!!

  14. fixxxer says:

    too cold out bill, can you work on that?

  15. Cort S. says:

    Everything to the east of Madison – St Louis – Houston is part of the circulation of Sandy: http://hint.fm/wind/

  16. fixxxer says:

    http://www.intellicast.com/National/Temperature/Current.aspx

    pretty early in the season for the entire country to be this cold.

    1. Cort S. says:

      Here are the temperature departures from normal.
      http://www.intellicast.com/National/Temperature/Departure.aspx

      It is warm in the west, where there is a ridge in the jet stream.

      It is cold in the central/south, where the cold trough in the jet stream is digging down and picking up Sandy.

      It is warm in the northeast, where warm air from the subtropical ocean is being brought in by Sandy’s winds.

      I can illustrate this with the jet stream map that I got from Intellicast:
      http://i.imgur.com/LwcAM.png

      1. fixxxer says:

        still seems a bit cold for only october.

        1. Cort S. says:

          It is, but only for the central and southeastern part of the country. When you look at the temperatures in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, etc., you are looking at the Rocky Mountains, where temperatures are automatically colder because of the high elevation. But they are warmer compared to average today.

          If we were to capture western states’ 50-degree air in a plastic bottle and instantaneously transport it to Michigan, the stronger air pressure in the lower elevations of Michigan would cause our bottle of Rocky Mountain air to warm up instantly by compression. The resulting temperature of air in the bottle would be in the 60s instead of the 50s. Since GR’s average high for October 29 is 55 degrees, this Rocky Mountain air would be warmer than average to us if it was transported here.

        2. INDY says:

          ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!

  17. INDY says:

    Fizzer in the weather mix !!!! lololololo!!!!!! yeaa like Cort says theee state of Michigan>>> Detroit wil have the same as West Michigan!!! will see all wind just had a 45 mph gust out the YARDofBRICKS..Sandy is here get ready for power lines to fall!! INDYY…….

      1. INDY says:

        Sir sir just did a little dance!! INDYY..

  18. Mom 0700 says:

    Wow, Check out the webcams in Bill’s blog above. The one in New york 79th street boat basin is showing boats bobbing around. Looks like those sailboats are ready to tip over. Very cool webcam.

  19. Cort S. says:

    CLICK HERE for the HRRR model’s 16-hour simulated radar forecast. This animation runs from 11 a.m. this morning through 2 a.m. tonight.

  20. Cort S. says:

    Here is a comparison of the size of Irene to the size of Sandy.

    http://i.imgur.com/11L9g.gif

    Sandy is HUGE. It’s one of the top 2 largest tropical cyclones ever recorded in the Atlantic ocean (since we really started measuring them in 1988).

  21. Cort S. says:

    Amazing that this storm was a low-moderate confidence event 7 days out, and a high confidence event 4 days out, despite there being an unprecedented left hook in the storm’s track. This is a gargantuan success for meteorology and numerical forecast models. This storm’s landfall location and strength would have been completely unexpected less than one human lifetime ago. Heck, even 20 years ago in the days of Hurricane Andrew, who knows if we would have been able to accurately predict a landfall close to New Jersey, which entails a nearly worst-case-scenario storm surge in NYC.

    1. Cort S. says:

      The models are definitely performing well in strong atmospheric blocking regimes, like this one, and like our heat wave back in March. Other regimes of atmospheric (jet stream) flow are more difficult to predict. Small-scale features such as thunderstorms and narrow embedded bands of heavy snow within a snowstorm are also difficult to predict. As computing power increases — and as long as the government continues to provide us adequate funding for observation tools like weather balloons, hurricane hunter aircraft, and satellites — computer scientists and meteorologists will continue to make gains in weather forecasting. There’s lots of work to be done!

  22. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Constant 30-40 mph winds over here with light rain. Sandy’s here!

  23. Cort S. says:

    Mesoscale Discussion from the SPC, concerning Blizzard & Hurricane…

    http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md2091.html

  24. INDY says:

    Bill your blogg is running slow Fizzeer must have 75 Bloggs up on his puter!! From drinking more sprites ready for the lights to go out tonight!!! INDYYY!!

  25. Cort S. says:

    “Four surprises from Sandy”
    Things hurricanes don’t usually do
    https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/opinion/8210/four-surprises-sandy
    University Corporation for Atmospheric Research

  26. INDY says:

    OHHHHHH New York City 100+ MPH winds coming windows will blow towers will fall!!! make a list now and get it all…..PERFEXTTTTT STORM is here!!! INDYY…

  27. Cort S. says:

    The National Weather Service on Long Island tried to launch their scheduled weather balloon this afternoon:

    “Short to 500 mb…2nd release failed due to inclement weather conditions…winds too strong.”

  28. INDY says:

    This perfect storm will cost us WORKERS more then ever!!!! Damage will be high cost of everything is going up gas will be 5 bucks a gallon USA is in trouble we need to pray. I hope others help out time to pay us back , perfect storm is a killer and it’s just starting!!! Drink some sprites and feel right!!! INDYY..

        1. Mike M. says:

          Romney has never come close to Obama’s treasonous actions regarding Benghazi. He deliberately left brave Americans to die in order to protect his reelection bid.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          From the Washington Post:

          “The line of polygamists in Obama’s family can be traced back generations in western Kenya, where it was an accepted practice within the Luo (pronounced LOO-oh) tribe. His great-grandfather, Obama Opiyo, had five wives, including two who were sisters. His grandfather, Hussein Onyango, had at least four wives, one of whom, Akumu, gave birth to the president’s father, Barack Obama, before fleeing her abusive husband. Obama Sr. was already married when he left Kenya to study at the University of Hawaii, where he married again. His American wife-to-be, Stanley Ann Dunham, was not yet 18 and unaware of his marital situation when she became pregnant with his namesake son in 1961.”

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-and-romney-both-come-from-a-ancestry-of-polygamy/2012/04/12/gIQA3TI8CT_story.html

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Oh look. What a surprise. The teabag weatherman chimes in with some irrelevant trivia about our president. Where’s the FOX NEWS attack on his birth certificate? Where’s the link to the Muslim brotherhood? LOL Fact is, Romney’s family fled the country to continue practicing polygamy in Mexico. They were US citizens who didn’t like the law. What’s more funny than that is the fact that you evangelists want to elect a president who wears ‘magic underwear’ and believes God lives on the planet Kolob! Another Bush isn’t gonna fix what the GOP broke. I’m sorry if you don’t like the pace at which he’s fixing your mess, but it’s better than going in reverse! Romney’s nothing but another filthy rich CEO who’s making a power grab for his billionaire friends.

          Stand up for the little guy for once in your life, Bill. Tell those rich bastards at the polls. VOTE YES ON PROP 2!! …a vote for the working man and for families.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Pretty much every news organization has come out AGAINST proposal 2, even the liberal Detroit Free Press (read at the link):

          https://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Snyder’s friends have DEEP pockets. I don’t think people are relying on newspapers to give them their opinions, especially when organizations like the PTA are endorsing it. Plain and simple, this layer of protection is necessary for the middle class, given the current legislature.

          http://factcheck.org/2012/10/state-amendment-scare-tactics/

          All it does is ensure that these rights won’t be stolen away by rich CEOs in the “LABOR STATE”. People in Michigan are in support of this measure, despite the litany of televised lies sponsored by corporate America, because it doesn’t change what we’ve always had, the right to bargain.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          …And here’s GIGANTIC list of all the small businesses that support PROP 2! Bill, you’re out of touch, you and your millionaire owned media corporations.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/main-st-michigan-supporters-2/

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          Heres’s the story on those businesses that “support” Proposal 2 (it’s lies and deception): http://www.mackinac.org/17830

          Pretty much every newspaper in Michigan is against Proposal 2: https://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

          Here’s more on Proposal 2: http://www.mackinac.org/images.aspx?ID=17728#4865

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          The lies are coming from the organization you linked. The Mackinac Center is a right-wing, DeVos/ Koch Bros. sponsored organization who’s goal is to privatize public education. They exaggerate, intimidate, and outright lie to push their corporate agenda. Organizations like the Mackinac Center do not exist for the middle class, but for the 1%ers. It’s in their best interest(s) to strip us of our rights. …And that’s exactly what they’ve been doing over the last two years.

          http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mackinac_Center_for_Public_Policy

          Voting YES on Prop Two is a vote for the middle class and families, two institutions not supported by the current legislature or governor.

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          The Mackinac Center is a non-partisan think tank that holds government accountable, standing up for the little guy against powerful special interests. You might remember Anne Schieber, a top-notch reporter for WOOD-TV for many years. She works for them now and here is one of her recent reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WunzGZdeMMo

          Even the liberal press is against the union bosses raid on the public treasury: http://www.freep.com/article/20121024/NEWS06/310240049/Michigan-Press-Association-joins-opposition-to-Proposal-2

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          NON PARTISAN? LOL It’s run by billionaires. Read the source watch article I linked, Magoo. you CAN read, can’t you?

          http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mackinac_Center_for_Public_Policy

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          Tell me which of their employees (who run the Center) are billionaires. At least people give freely to the Mackinac Center. If you’re taking care of grandma…Proposal 4 will FORCE you to pay hundreds of dollars in dues to the Union (SEIU). What good is the union going to be? Are you going to go on strike and stop taking care of grandma??

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          I have no idea what employees at the Mackinac Center make, nor do I care. Read the article. This right-wing think tank was founded by billionaires. That’s a fact, Jack. Those billionaires want to privatize everything in this state, free up those tax dollars, and break the unions. Their goal isn’t altruistic, Bill. It’s about greed and power.

          http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mackinac_Center_for_Public_Policy

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          You have no idea PERIOD! The POLITICO says Michigan is now in play: http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/afp-goes-on-air-against-obama-in-pa-mich-147851.html HINT TO THE CAMPAIGNS: Make that last minute ad buy on Bill’s Blog at http://www.woodtv.com Four Million hits last year and growing!

          Check this out: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/19905504/michigan-poll-obama-and-romney-in-dead-heat

          A TIE!!!

          New ad buy in Michigan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl41JUXi9lU

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          What I do have an idea about is that the powers that oppose PROP 2 are well financed. They’ve outspent the good guys 10 to 1! What’s hilarious is that all that Mackinac Center money hasn’t even given the bad guys a majority in this.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

  29. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

    000
    FXUS63 KGRR 292001
    AFDGRR

    AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI
    401 PM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

    .SYNOPSIS…
    ISSUED AT 401 PM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

    THE REMNANTS OF HURRICANE SANDY WILL MOVE WEST INTO WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA
    BY TUESDAY AFTERNOON. AS THE STORM GETS CLOSER WINDS WILL CONTINUE
    TO INCREASE WITH THE HIGHEST WIND SPEED DURING THE MID MORNING
    HOURS OF TUESDAY. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DECREASE THEREAFTER AS THE
    SYSTEM CONTINUES TO WEAKEN AND FINALLY MOVE NORTHEAST TOWARD
    QUEBEC BY FRIDAY MORNING. RAIN WILL OVERSPREAD THE AREA
    OVERNIGHT…REACHING THE LAKE SHORE AREAS BY MID MORNING TUESDAY.
    THE RAIN WILL MIX WITH SLEET AND SNOW… MOSTLY EAST OF US-131
    TOWARD TUESDAY MORNING. EXPECT MOSTLY LIGHT RAIN FROM TUESDAY
    AFTERNOON INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SOME CLEARING IS EXPECTED TOWARD
    THE END OF THE WEEK.

    &&

    .SHORT TERM…(THIS EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT)
    ISSUED AT 401 PM EDT MON OCT 29 2012

    CLEARLY THE MAIN ISSUE IS HOW HURRICANE SANDY WILL IMPACT
    SOUTHWEST LOWER MICHIGAN. I HAVE MADE NO MAJOR CHANGES IN ANY OF THE
    HEADLINES. WE STILL EXPECT WINDS TO GUST TO 50 TO 55 MPH BY
    TUESDAY MORNING AND RAIN TO SPREAD FROM EAST TO WEST OVERNIGHT.
    THE PRECIPITATION SHOULD MIX WITH SNOW AND SLEET LATER TONIGHT
    INTO THE MID MORNING HOURS OF TUESDAY…MOSTLY EAST OF US-131.

    THE STORM WILL SLOWLY WEAKEN AND WHILE DOING SO MOVE BACK TO THE
    NORTHEAST TUESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY. THAT WILL TAKE THE WINDS
    AND PRECIPITATION OUT OF THE PICTURE.

    THE KEY ISSUES ARE THAT THE BOUNDARY LAYER WIND MAX IS BETWEEN
    MIDNIGHT AND NOON. SINCE THE HIGHEST WINDS START AT NIGHT DUE TO
    THE LACK OF VERTICAL MIXING… I REALLY WONDER IF WE WILL SEE
    GUSTS OVER 35 MPH INLAND DURING THE NIGHT… EXPECT NEAR LAKE SHORE
    AREAS. HOWEVER FOR THE SAKE OF FORECAST CONTINUITY I KEPT THE
    FORECAST AS IS.

    IT SHOULD BE NOTED I RAN THE TOP DOWN WINTER WEATHER PROCEDURE SO
    THIS CREATED A COMPLEX PRECIPITATION TYPE IN OUR GRIDS. WE SHALL
    SEE HOW WELL THIS WORKED IN FIGURING OUT WHAT TYPE OF PRECIPITATION
    WILL FALL WHERE. THE ISSUES ARE THE WARM LAYER ALOFT THAT MOVES IN
    WITH THE REMNANTS OF SANDY WHILE THE SURFACE TEMPS FALL INTO THE
    MID 30S LATER TONIGHT. IT SEEMS THE BEST CHANCE FOR SNOW IS NEAR
    AND EAST OF I-69 BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND SAY 10 AM.

    DRIER AIR MOVES INTO FROM EAST TO WEST TUESDAY AFTERNOON INTO
    TUESDAY EVENING BUT THE DEFORMATION ZONE WILL HOLD OVER THE
    WESTERN CWA INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT SO I KEPT THE HIGHEST POP THERE.

  30. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I just got back from a quick 9 holes of golf. No rain, the temps were OK and a little wind. Not bad for late October!

  31. ~Sherry~ Comstock Park says:

    Beautiful sunset out there tonight!!

    1. Jack says:

      Yes , It was BEAUTIFUL….Lots of COLORS…..Thank you GOD…Amen? :-)

  32. TACO BOY says:

    Tacos a way of life “let winds of god taco us”………

    1. bnoppe(Albifon) says:

      free taco tmw at the bell

  33. Katie in Kentwood says:

    According to fixxxer, its not that bad.

  34. INDY says:

    Well when have only 4 walls around u and one window u can only think it’s not bad!! Side note Turn on fox news the power keeps going on and off at the news station Shep Smith is getting scared!! Stay tuned the wind is roarring outside!!! Keep your flashlights close!! INDYY….

    1. Jack says:

      http://www.coleman.com › Flashlights. SOOOOOOO. MANY TO CHOOSE FROM…. ;-)

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      I read here, http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_%22Protect_Our_Jobs%22_Amendment,_Proposal_2_(2012),
      that Prop 2 supports have raised $8.06 million,
      while their opponents have raised $340.2 million.

      Corporate America doesn’t want the middle class to preserve their right to bargain.

      1. Kevin(Rockford) says:

        Ask GM how those rights to bargain worked out for them

      2. Jack says:

        Hey little Duddy…YOU..Playing YOUR ORGAN………Again….. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        The bondholders (many of them “little guys”, retirees) are the ones who really got screwed by the “bailout”. That and other car companies (Ford), who played by the rules, did the right thing, sold cars that people bought and are now forced to compete with a government-run car company with massive taxpayer subsidies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/25/AR2009052502135.html

        1. Bulldogvinny says:

          8 million vs. 340 million!!!! And the polling shows it is still a tight race? Wow! It makes me wonder what the polling for this proposal would show if airtime were equal. It’s a joke that it has cost 340 million to buy this vote. This is a prime example of how money influences elections.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          I don’t believe those numbers…340 million? Instead of ad time, you could BUY the TV stations in the state with that kind of money.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          You, interestingly, choose what to believe based on how it feeds into your argument. Facts are facts, Bill. Maybe try to explain why so much money is being spent to prevent the middle class from protecting what’s been a fundamental right in this state for eighty years.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          LOL! Go to the link again…now this is YOUR link bigDaddy: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_%22Protect_Our_Jobs%22_Amendment,_Proposal_2_(2012), Here’s the figures:

          Protect Our Jobs (the pro-Proposal 2 group) $8,067,869.79
          Citizens Protecting Michigan’s Constitution $340,150.00

          That’s a 24 to 1 advantage!

          My friends have an easy way to remember how to vote on the Proposals: “One is the best, vote no on the rest”

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          The article that YOU linked to says that (just one of) the pro-Proposal 2 groups has raised $8,067,869.79 and that the anti-Proposla 2 has raised $340,150.00 That’s a 24 to 1 advantage. And all the money to support Proposal 2 is coming from unions.

          The Detroit Free Press (with a very liberal editorial board!) says: “The truth is that Prop 2 is a mess waiting to happen, a sprawling overreach whose entire effects will be debated and litigated for months if it passes.”

          Here’s how my friends remember how to vote on the proposals: “One is the best, vote NO on the rest!”

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          That’s what’s been reported, slick. The right wing machine’s in overdrive, hiding their donations and flooding the airwaves.

          http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/2417046/corporate-bosses-spend-millions-refuse-transparency/

      4. Chrispy says:

        If you actually READ the article, the numbers are $8 million by supporters and 340 THOUSAND by the oppostion. Check your facts big Daddy.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I put the decimal in the wrong spot. Oops. Last report was 34 million dollars. My bad. I should have caught that.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Chrispy’s right…the number at your link (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_%22Protect_Our_Jobs%22_Amendment,_Proposal_2_(2012),) is 340 THOUSAND dollars. I could have believed you got it wrong the first time…but the second time? You’re a liar!

          The only people pushing Proposal 2 are the public sector union bosses. This is from the (liberal) Detroit Free Press:

          Pollster Alex Gage of TargetPoint Consulting in Alexandria, Va., said, “It appears that Proposal 2 is likely to be defeated.”

          “Gage said the opposition to Proposal 2 reached 55% The margin of error is plus or minus 4.6 percentage points.

          Support “hovers in the high to mid-30s,” Gage said.”

          Most everyone I know is voting YES on #1 (which is really a no vote – the proposal is worded backwards) and NO on the rest of the proposals.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          That 34 million was not from the article I posted, it’s from the IRS. I’ll have to find it. Calling me a liar is tad heavy handed, Bill, considering how much you really do lie on here. Not that I give half a crap. You’ve been lying about me lying for months. …Seem to think it bolsters your case that democrats are all Nazis and women shouldn’t have the right to make decisions about their own bodies. Pig.

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-romneys-jeep-to-china-lie-earns-brutal-headlines-in-ohio/2012/10/30/6ca63574-227e-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Oh…from the IRS! Show me the proof! Show me the link! YOU’RE own link shows over 8 million dollars in contributions from unions to produce misleading ads on Proposal 2. And YOU’RE own link shows that the opposition has $340,000. EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS VS. 340,000 DOLLARS!! That’s a 24 to 1 advantage! Check bigDaddy’s link again: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_%22Protect_Our_Jobs%22_Amendment,_Proposal_2_(2012),

          It’s 340,000! THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND VS 8 MILLION!

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          That $340 K is the amount ‘disclosed’ by one fringe group that’s opposing Prop 2. Any money that’s being spent to support Prop 2 cannot be taken legally from dues dollars, so your union boss analogy is crap.
          That money was donated by working families that are hurting as a result of this extremist legislature. The fact that it ads up to 8 million is simply amazing. Hundreds of thousands of Michigananders are canvassing, donating, and signing petitions to save our middle class.

          http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/2417046/corporate-bosses-spend-millions-refuse-transparency/

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          This is from M-Live:

          “Labor unions in recent days (this is just the RECENT contributions) contributed more than $1.7 million to help pass Proposal 2, which would lock collective bargaining rights into the constitution. The UAW gave $1 million alone, while the Grand Rapids Education Association and American Federation of Teachers gave $250,000 apiece.” http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/millions_of_dollars_flowing_to.html

          Can you believe that? Grand Rapids Public School teachers put a quarter of a million dollars into this? What does that come to per teacher? They must be doing OK if they have that much money to burn. And $1 million in RECENT contributions from the UAW!

          Here’s what Central Michigan Life (the CMU newspaper) has to say: “Proposal 2 essentially fixes a nonexistent problem and puts in place more road blocks for the state and local municipalities to get back on the road to prosperity. Much of the financial crises facing cities and towns statewide can be traced back to the expensive contracts and pensions on the books for public employees negotiated by unions. The last thing those municipalities need is more red tape.” http://www.cm-life.com/2012/10/29/editorial-no-on-proposal-2/

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          More teacher bashing, Bill. I get that you hate teachers, but what I don’t get is why you’d be on the wrong side of a labor issue. We’re talking about factory workers, cops, millwrights, carpenters, corrections officers, nurses, and programmers. Again, it’s the rich white old men vs. the middle class. I guess if the shoe fits…

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/about-text-of-prop-2/

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          BTW, that same MLIVE article had this:

          Citizens Protecting Michigan’s Constitution – which opposes Proposal 2 along with measures that would require more renewable energy in the state and allow home-health aides to unionize – got $400,000 from the Michigan Chamber of Commerce. Another $20,000 came from the Michigan Retailers Association.

          Anti-Proposal 2 group Protecting Michigan Taxpayers received $400,000 from the retailers group and $250,000 from Ethelmae Humphreys, chairwoman of of Tamko Building Products, based in Missouri. Bloomfield Hills-based real estate company Kojaian Management gave $25,000, and $5,000 came from Lane Grigsby, chairman of Cajun Constructors Inc. in Louisiana.

          Management Accounting Services LLC in Farmington Hills contributed $100,000 to Protecting Michigan Taxpayers.

          The Service Employees International Union put in nearly $800,000.

        9. Paul says:

          “pig”? I heard that was your nickname you little oink. Vote YES on Proposal One and NO on the rest.

          Obama is LOSING http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/us-presidential-election-center.aspx

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          Actually, Obama’s killing Romney.

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

          Now go tend to your meth pot, redneck.

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in 2008: http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf

          Rasmussen has Romney +2 nationally, +1 in Iowa and +3 in Colorado.

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          Romney can’t win without the swing states, so he can’t win.

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

          This was over before it began. This country won’t elect a magic underwear wearing, animal abuser who thinks God lives on planet KOLOB! LOL Romney’s an idiot.

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          Then why not take my bet! Chicken! Obama’s in Wisconsin. That shows his internal polling shows trouble there. Wisconsin went for Obama by 12% in 2008. If Obama’s in trouble in a state that he won by 12% in 2008, you can bet he’s also in trouble in states like

          North Carolina (0.3% in ’08), Indiana (1.0% in ’08) Florida (2.8% in ’08), Ohio (4.6% in ’08), Virginia (6.0% in ’08), Iowa (9.5% in ’08) and even New Hampshire (10.0% in ’08).

          All Romney has to do is flip 2.4% of the vote from 2008 to flip Ohio…or flip 2% and have 0.4″ of Obama voters not show up this time because of lack of enthusiasm for the lack of “change”. We’ve heard it all before:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5VMX2JahrU

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          What bet? I’ve taken your bets before. You don’t pay up. I’ll bet you Obama wins, no problem. He’s a shoe in. Romney can’t win one let alone the four swing states he needs. Get real. LOL You go ahead and waste your vote on the baby killing animal abuser. It’s your morals you’re compromising.

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups_race_changes.html

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        What a great opinion paper you linked. Probably important to note that it was his opinion, not the opinion of educators. Why should we care what one “guest author – unknown” thinks about labor rights in the Labor state? LOL The author didn’t even give his name! LOL

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Educators are against Proposal 2:

          – Michigan School Business Officials;
          – Michigan Sheriffs Association, representing Sheriffs and law enforcement officers across Michigan;
          – Small Business Association of Michigan, which represents small businesses across the state from accountants to appliance stores, restaurants to retailers.
          – Michigan Association of School Administrators, representing public school superintendents in 584 school districts and 57 intermediate school districts;
          – Michigan Association of School Boards, representing 600 boards of education across Michigan, nearly every public school district in the state;

  35. Mr. Negative says:

    Can’t wait until daylight to help define reality versus the hysterical media coverage.

    1. Katie in Kentwood says:

      I hope you’re joking.

  36. Jack says:

    The Best Media Coverage of a Hurricane, Don’t Remember which 1 ( hurricane) , But it was GERALDO Rivera , LIVE, HOLDING ONTO A PALM TREE, flapping His JAW and HIMSELF in the wind and waves…Then He Got SWEPT AWAY..By A WAVE…It was very TENSE and ENTERTIANING….ALL in ONE….just. Sayin and CHUCKELING…;-)

  37. William says:

    Bill

    The “Electrical Explosion in NYC!” is great, thanks. No wonder the power went out!

    William

  38. Mindy says:

    Wow, IT’S SNOWING !!!! Prop 2 got my Vote !!! Just love TEABAGGERS scare tactics !!!

    1. Jack says:

      Where is it Snowing ??? And what Prop. 2 ? If it’s the G. R. Prop. 2…. I’ll Smoke to THAT.. Lol ;-)

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        There’s nothing liberal about the press, Magoo. It’s owned by millionaires. Millionaires don’t want Prop 2 to pass because it will protect the middle class from CEOs.

        http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mackinac_Center_for_Public_Policy

        These are the people pushing anti 2 ads.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s what the Detroit News says: “At a time when the Michigan economy is finally moving forward again, the last thing the state needs is new legislation that would bolster its unions at the expense of its cities and its citizens.” http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121030/OPINION01/210300317/1008/opinion01/Perry-Saltsman-Proposal-2-offers-public-sector-history-lesson

          Here’s what the Detroit Free Press says: “The truth is that Prop 2 is a mess waiting to happen, a sprawling overreach whose entire effects will be debated and litigated for months if it passes.” http://www.freep.com/article/20121003/COL33/310030083/Stephen-Henderson-Anti-Proposal-2-ad-pushes-ridiculous-what-ifs

          From the M-Live Newspaper Group, inc. the Grand Rapids Press: “State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy. A “no” vote is ESSENTIAL to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirectionProposal 2 is unnecessary and reckless: We urge a “no” vote.” http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/mlive_media_group_vote_no_on_p.html

          The M-Live newspapers say vote YES on Proposal 1 and NO on the rest and that’s what almost all of my friends are going to do. An easy way to remember is “One is best, vote “no” on the rest!”

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Bill Steffen, you’re a corporate tool. Michigan State Police already have this protection in the Michigan Constitution. Regardless of what your media mogul friends say, this protection is necessary and anything but far reaching. It doesn’t do anything new. What it does is protect a right the middle class is endanger of losing under this right wing regime. I get that rich people like you are doing alright with your six figure income and six weeks of paid vacation per year, but plumbers, millwrights, steel workers, and firemen aren’t doing so well. The one thing many of these groups have is a right to bargain. Michigan’s legislature will take away that right if it’s not given protection under our constitution. That’s why the PTA is endorsing it. That’s why 700,000 Michiganders signed the petition. And that’s why despite the corporate opposition, it’s going to pass. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, Bill Steffen. When are you going to side with the working man for a change. You’re a corporate tool.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/about-text-of-prop-2/
          Read for yourselves.

        3. Paul says:

          Vote NO on Proposal Two!!!

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Check out this newspaper editorial: http://thedailynews.cc/2012/10/06/our-view-proposal-2-is-a-trojan-horse/

          It says: “Michigan’s ballot Proposal 2 is probably the greatest assault on jobs…”

          Guess if Michigan jobs are important, we should vote NO on Proposal 2

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          That’s true in some ways. If we don’t protect unions will see a hell of a lot more part time jobs appear as we privatize everything and deny benefits. The corporations and CEOs will celebrate with bigger bonuses while the middle class sinks into oblivion.

          Rich people like Bill Steffen are on the wrong side again. It’s the working man vs. the stinking greedy CEOs. VOTE YES ON PROP 2!

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Most people in the private sector get benefits now (and are afraid of losing them if Obamacare is implimented – of course the unions get a “waiver”) and those in the private sector will be hurt by Proposal 2, as more and more money gets sucked away by union bosses. Again…Check out this newspaper editorial: http://thedailynews.cc/2012/10/06/our-view-proposal-2-is-a-trojan-horse/

          It says: “Michigan’s ballot Proposal 2 is probably the greatest assault on jobs…”

          JOBS. We want jobs, not more money for country club union bosses: (“The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 BILLION in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center on Black Lake in Onaway, Mich. that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.”)

          My friends told me this about the proposals: “ONE is best VOTE NO on the rest”

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          So far you’ve not been able to provide any facts about two, only support from media moguls and corporate America. It wasn’t much different in the 20s and 30s when unions were formed. Plainly, rich people don’t like them because they elevate an entire group, the middle class. Unions are responsible for the creation of the middle class in the 50s. What’s happened here in recent years is a PR blitz against them, but anyone that belongs to a union knows that wages are higher and benefits are better, period. Cops know it. Plumbers know it. Steel workers know it. Nurses know it. The benefit to the public is simple, competition. When union shops raise wages, so too must nonunion shops. No one’s saying unions aren’t without faults and that bad contracts don’t exist, but Prop 2 does only one thing, protects the right for people to organize and bargain for fair wages and benefits. We need to protect the rights of middle class men and women, now more than ever. Even the PTA agrees. Those commercials claiming that Prop 2 would somehow be dangerous to students are ludicrous. The PTA would not support a measure that would endanger kids. The Right-Wing spin doctors are at it again.

          Bill, you’re nothing more than a corporate tool. Shame on you for being on the wrong side of yet another issue.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!
          http://www.freep.com/article/20121018/NEWS06/310180276/Michigan-Parent-Teacher-Association-backs-Proposal-2-the-collective-bargaining-measure

        8. Paul says:

          Save Michigan jobs, VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s a different world now, bigD. The UAW is worth well over a BILLION Dollars. The UAW owns a big country club and resort center: “The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 BILLION in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center on Black Lake in Onaway, Mich. that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.” The union bosses are in the “1%”. It’s time that you and your rich buddies cared about the private sector middle class. We work more days for less money, fewer benefits and we work later before we retire. Only the unions and their political benefactors support Proposal 2. There are a LOT of Democrats that are voting no on Prop. 2. This includes The Small Business Association of Michigan – these are mom and pop businesses, not big corporations.

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

          My friends say about the proposals “ONE is the best, say NO to the rest”.

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          Most unions in the state are tiny. The UAW is the exception. Outlawing unions, like the legislature wants to do, will crush the middle class. Nurses, steel workers, programmers, plant workers across Michigan will suffer and so will their families. Outlawing unions is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Your friend who likes prop 1 is in the tiny minority of rich old white men who think Emergency Managers (overseers) are necessary in black communities. Prop One is racist!!!

          Shame on you for being on the wrong side of yet another issue, Weatherman.

          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!! VOTE NO ON ONE!!!

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          No one’s outlawing unions! We want the ability to fire a teacher when they deserve to be fired! READ THIS:

          http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth

          It’s the Bay City Teachers Contract. You can be “under the influence” FOUR TIMES and not be fired…it takes five times to fire the teacher!

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          We’ve all seen that ridiculous contract. But those of us that have looked into it realize that bad contracts can and do exist.
          What’s equally ridiculous is the claim that PROP 2 will impede a district’s ability to fire a teacher. All bargaining does is insure that the teacher is disciplined according to the bargained contract. They can still be fired. Shame on you for pretending otherwise.

          If I didn’t know better, I’d think from that last post that you’re on board for the elimination of unions in our great state. Is that true? Would you end the working man’s right to assemble and bargain for a fair wage and benefits? I suspect so.

          Shame on you for being on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          “Working families” have NOTHING to gain from Proposal 2 – Contracts like the one in Bay City would have Constitutional Protection. DRUNK FIVE TIMES before you could fire the bad teacher! We’re not against unions. We’re for protecting our children and when you look at that contract, it’s easy to see that “working families” with children are going to vote to keep their children safe. My friends say about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          That terrible contract is protected under the law regardless of what happens with PROP 2!! When it expires, I’m sure that language will disappear. PROP 2 only protects workers’ right to organize and bargain wages and working conditions. If affects lots more than teachers. It affects factory workers, corrections officers, cops, steel workers, millwrights, and nurses.

          It protects us all – all but rich meteorologists.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!
          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          When Proposal 2 is defeated, unions will still have the right to organize – NOTHING will change. We just won’t have a constitutional protection for drunk teachers.

          http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

          My friends will tell you this about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

        16. big Daddy BC says:

          When the legislature goes into lame duck in December, they’ll push through a litany of anti-union legislation before they lose their majority in January. Prop 2 was written to protect the middle class from losing any more money or rights to the billionaires that have bought and paid for these extremist politicians. Prop 2 has nothing to do with provisions in any particular contracts that protect drunk teachers or cops or factory workers. All it does is insure that people can come together to negotiate a fair wage and working conditions.

          You’re lying again, weatherman. We don’t want to pay for any more of you and your wealthy freinds’ tax breaks.

          VOTE NO ON PROP 1!!! It’s racist.

          VOTE YES ON TWO!!! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        17. Bill Steffen says:

          In reality, after the November election, Republicans hold a super-majority of 26-12 in the Michigan Senate and a solid majority of 59-50 in the Michigan House. They passed Right to Work and the union thugs attacked a poor, helpless African-American hot dog vendor. http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/13/clint-tarver-lansings-hot-dog-guy-describes-union-goons-destroying-his-property-and-calling-him-racial-epithets/

  39. Benjamin (Kalamazoo) says:

    Hate to burst the bubbles of the Meterologists, but the hurricane isn’t going north like its forecasted. If you notice, its going to the west and I’m about to get hit with a snow storm. *points to the radar*

    Oh no, I’m not complaining. We are well overdue for a sucker punch snow storm.

    1. Cort S. says:

      You probably missed the forecasts a few days ago that said the center of the remnants of Sandy would go all the way west into western Pennsylvania, which would sprad occasional bands of rain mixing with snow into West Michigan.

  40. big Daddy BC says:

    Nothing is more democratic than giving all people in Michigan the opportunity to vote to protect a basic right in the Michigan constitution,” he said.
    The real Michigan way is supporting the middle class, protecting working families and ensuring that people have a right to negotiate for fair wages, benefits and safe working conditions. Instead, corporate special interests are making millions while the people doing the work have seen their wages cut.

    VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!

    1. Paul says:

      VOTE NO ON PROPOSAL TWO!!! It’s a money grabbing tool for union fat cats.

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      Then how about giving home health workers the right to vote whether they want to be in the SEIU, bigDaddy??!! Hypocrite!!

      1. Paul says:

        Union bosses want to protect pedafiles. Vote NO on Prop 2!!!

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Glad to see Bill invited his fake support, the redneck avatar, to add absolutely nothing to the conversation. LOL A vote for families will have no affect on fictional rednecks.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s a sampling of the virtually unanimous rejection of Proposal 2: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/category/news

          These groups are on record opposing Proposal 2: Michigan Association of School Administrators, Michigan Association of School Boards, Michigan School Business Officials, Michigan Sheriffs Association,

        3. Paul says:

          Pull your skirt up bdbc, NOBODY wants to see that. Vote NO on Prop 2 and put the money in our kids future, not the union bosses hands.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          The Parent Teacher Association supports TWO.

          “When teachers have the right to collectively bargain, they use their voice to fight for what’s right for our schoolchildren,” Michigan PTA President Shaton Berry said. “Teachers bargain for training, smaller class sizes and the materials they need to keep kids safe and to improve educational outcomes. As the voice of parents across our state, we support collective bargaining.”

          People of Faith are coming out in support of Proposal Two. These church leaders have pledged support and that means a heck of a lot more than your short list of business leaders and people who stand to profit from a union-less Michigan.

          Pastor George Adam After Christ
          Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
          Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
          Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
          Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
          Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
          Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
          Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
          Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
          Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
          Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
          Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
          Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
          Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
          Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
          Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
          Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
          Juan Escoreno MOSES
          Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
          Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
          Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
          Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
          Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
          Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
          Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
          Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
          Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
          Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
          Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
          Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
          Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
          Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
          Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
          Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
          Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
          Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
          Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
          Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
          Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
          Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
          Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
          Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
          Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
          Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
          Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
          Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
          Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
          Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
          Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
          Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
          Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor M. J. Reed The River
          Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
          Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
          Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
          Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
          Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
          Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
          Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
          Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
          Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
          Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
          Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
          Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
          Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
          Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
          Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
          Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
          Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
          K. Yarber Mount hermon

          Fact of the matter is, your opinion is based on greed. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman. VOTE YES ON PROP 2! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

          My friend’s slogan about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          “When teachers have the right to collectively bargain, they use their voice to fight for what’s right for our schoolchildren,” Michigan PTA President Shaton Berry said. “Teachers bargain for training, smaller class sizes and the materials they need to keep kids safe and to improve educational outcomes. As the voice of parents across our state, we support collective bargaining.”

          People of Faith are coming out in support of Proposal Two. These church leaders have pledged support and that means a heck of a lot more than your short list of business leaders and people who stand to profit from a union-less Michigan.

          Pastor George Adam After Christ
          Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
          Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
          Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
          Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
          Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
          Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
          Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
          Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
          Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
          Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
          Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
          Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
          Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
          Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
          Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
          Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
          Juan Escoreno MOSES
          Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
          Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
          Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
          Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
          Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
          Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
          Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
          Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
          Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
          Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
          Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
          Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
          Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
          Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
          Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
          Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
          Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
          Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
          Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
          Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
          Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
          Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
          Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
          Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
          Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
          Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
          Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
          Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
          Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
          Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
          Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
          Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
          Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor M. J. Reed The River
          Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
          Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
          Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
          Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
          Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
          Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
          Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
          Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
          Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
          Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
          Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
          Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
          Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
          Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
          Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
          Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
          Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
          K. Yarber Mount hermon

          Fact of the matter is, your opinion is based on greed. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman. VOTE YES ON PROP 2! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          And you’d be the first to scream “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” if some Catholic bishop endorsed a Republican candidate. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865565802/Billy-Graham-ad-Vote-for-biblical-values.html

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

          As my friends say about the proposals: ONE is best, vote NO on the rest.

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s morally right is RIGHT! The PTA and these priests and clergy know right from wrong unlike you and your wealthy friends. Prop 2 is right because it protects the poor and middle class and that’s why so many people of faith have pledged their support. The only support your side can muster is from those who stand to gain from it financially. That’s WRONG! You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          What’s morally right is providing jobs and opportunity! What’s right is providing security for your ambassador in Libya when he asks for it! What’s morally right is trying to save a baby that survives a botched abortion!

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          PROP 2 has absolutely nothing to do with abortions or assassinations. It’s about protecting our middle class from corporate greed, from a legislature that wants to outlaw unions in the ‘labor state.’ It’s about protecting our families and providing a fair wage and benefits. It’s about doing what’s right and that’s why so many people of faith have signed on in support of PROP 2. That’s why the only support you can demonstrate comes from people who stand to gain from a weakened middle class.

          You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          The legislature doesn’t want to “outlaw unions”. They don’t want the unions to protect bad teachers! Check out the teacher’s contract in Bay City: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth A teacher has to be “under the influence” FIVE TIMES before they can be fired!! FIVE TIMES!! Voting “no” on Proposal Two protects our children. As my friends say about the proposals…”ONE is the BEST, vote NO on the rest.”

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          Firing teachers is easy. Just like firing anyone under a contract is easy. Just follow the contract. You’re foolish to believe such lies. Listen, if the PTA supports Prop 2, it must be good for kids. The PTA exists to protect kids. If so many people of faith, including priests btw, have pledged their support for Prop 2, it must be good for kids. The only people who are saying otherwise stand to make financial gains from a unionless Michigan.

          In December’s Lame Duck session, the rightwing legislature in it’s last ditch effort will attempt to pass a Right to Work (for less) bill thereby effectively destroying labor in our state. Prop 2 will stop that! So yes, they DO INTEND TO END UNIONS IN MICHIGAN!!!

          Check out this list of clergy that support Prop 2. Anyone you know on there?

          Pastor George Adam After Christ
          Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
          Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
          Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
          Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
          Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
          Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
          Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
          Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
          Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
          Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
          Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
          Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
          Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
          Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
          Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
          Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
          Juan Escoreno MOSES
          Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
          Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
          Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
          Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
          Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
          Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
          Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
          Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
          Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
          Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
          Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
          Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
          Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
          Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
          Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
          Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
          Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
          Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
          Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
          Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
          Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
          Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
          Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
          Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
          Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
          Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
          Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
          Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
          Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
          Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
          Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
          Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
          Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor M. J. Reed The River
          Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
          Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
          Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
          Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
          Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
          Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
          Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
          Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
          Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
          Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
          Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
          Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
          Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
          Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
          Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
          Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
          Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
          K. Yarber Mount hermon

          VOTE WITH THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH! VOTE YES FOR FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          Firing teachers is NOT always easy:

          we’re against unions protecting BAD teachers…no drunk teachers! Look at the teacher’s contract in Bay City: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth A teacher has to be “under the influence” FIVE TIMES before they can be fired!! FIVE TIMES!!

          As my friends say about the proposals…”ONE is BEST, vote NO on the rest”.

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          Fire the drunk teacher AND the drunk weatherman. Fire any teacher or weatherman that endangers kids. But protect Michigan’s workers by voting YES on Prop 2!!! Prop 2 does nothing more than enshrine a right we’ve already had for 80 years. It’s protection against a bought and paid for Lansing regime.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          We don’t need to enshrine a union. Nothing changes if Proposal 2 gets its deserved defeat on Tuesday. Read more here: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

          My friends say this about the proposals: “ONE is the BEST, vote NO on the rest!”

        16. big Daddy BC says:

          Normally, you’re right, this wouldn’t be necessary. …Hasn’t been in eighty years. But it is NOW! Why? Because the legislature under the direction of their financial backers will pass legislation to outlaw unions in this state. This will happen during lame duck in December. They’ve already said it. If PROP 2 fails, the middle class gets hurt 10x worse than when Snyder stole a billion to give tax breaks to his rich friends.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        17. Bill Steffen says:

          NOBODY HAS PROPOSED ‘OUTLAWING UNIONS’!!! Who’s “they”? Name them? Snyder has said on MANY occasions he’s not in favor of doing Right-to-Work. What you say just isn’t true!

          http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

          My friends take on the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest!”

        18. big Daddy BC says:

          What Snyder said was that he wouldn’t pursue Right to Work legislation, but that he’d sign it. He’s a puppet for the wealthy in this state and you better believe he’ll sign it in December. The repubs are likely to lose the House so this work will have to be done in December. If PROP 2 doesn’t pass, they’ll have the power to do just that. Michigan’s labor force should be VERY afraid.
          You’re misinformed, a victim of talk radio and FOX NEWS like so many.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        19. Bill Steffen says:

          I am not in favor of union-dictatorship. I think home health care workers shouldn’t be forced to join a union and shouldn’t be forced to give hundreds of dollars to union bosses when they are just taking care of their grandmother or grandfather! Pro-choice on union membership. No card check. No intimidation. Free speech! Unions seem to have a lot of money already:

          “The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 billion in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.”

        20. big Daddy BC says:

          I’m not sure what a union dictator is since unions by definition are coalitions of people. Your use of dictator is an oxymoron. Unions exist for the people, not PERSON! The dictator here is the CEO. The union exists to protect the workers against that dictator, to ensure that they can bargain for a fair wage and working conditions.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        21. Bill Steffen says:

          Unions are rich:

          CNSNews.com) – The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 billion in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.

          The middle class is voting against proposal 2. The Free Press poll showed Proposal 2 to be losing by four points (42% to 46%), within the poll’s 4.4% margin of error. The News, in contrast, reported a clear majority against the initiative to have collective bargaining rights added to the state constitution (36.3% to 52.5%).

          Proposal 3 was losing by at least 20% in both polls. Adding a 25% renewable standard by 2025 was opposed by 57% in the News’s poll and 55% in the Free Press’s survey.

          The Free Press poll had Proposal 4, which would allow home health care aides to unionize, narrowly behind, 42% to 44%, within the poll’s margin of error. The News reported a larger spread, 39.7% to 47.7%.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Prop 2 takes care of working men and women. It strengthens the middle class and protects children. Those states that forbid bargaining have a higher drop out rate, lower test scores, and an impoverished teaching staff.

      “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

      “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

      Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

      Fact is, unions are EXCELLENT for student performance and schools in general.

      http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

        Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

        Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

        Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

        Proposal 4, home health care: No

        Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

        Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      More cut and paste nonsense, bigD.

      http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/opinion/bennett-chicago-strike/index.html

      This article says 46% of public school TEACHERS in Chicago send their kids to private school!

      57% of DEMOCRATIC SENATORS SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL: http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/chart-graph/congress-kids-absent-public-schools

      No government subsidies to union-owned country clubs! As my friends say about the proposals: “ONE IS BEST, VOTE NO ON THE REST.”

    3. big Daddy BC says:

      It’s nonsense to suggest that student achievement is a reason to keep unions in Michigan? It’s nonsense to suggest that student achievement should trump tax breaks for you and your wealthy friends? What’s nonsense is your postings about Chicago. WE LIVE IN WEST MICHIGAN! But regardless of where you live in this country, unions are better for kids.

      “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

      “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

      Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

      Fact is, unions are EXCELLENT for student performance and schools in general.

      http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        “It is our job to protect Michiganders but Proposal 2 would tie our hands,” Ionia County Sheriff Dwain Dennis said in a release. “Take it from me—Proposal 2 is dangerous.”

    4. Bill Steffen says:

      No protection for drunk teachers:

      we’re against unions protecting BAD teachers…no drunk teachers! Look at the teacher’s contract in Bay City: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth A teacher has to be “under the influence” FIVE TIMES before they can be fired!! FIVE TIMES!!

      As my friends say about the proposals…”ONE is BEST, vote NO on the rest”.

    5. big Daddy BC says:

      Fire the one drunk teacher, but protect the good ones with an amendment to enshrine Michigan’s workers’ right to bargain. Many other professions will be hurt by this right wing legislature if Prop 2 doesn’t pass.

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        The Free Press poll showed Proposal 2 to be losing by four points (42% to 46%), within the poll’s 4.4% margin of error. The News, in contrast, reported a clear majority against the initiative to have collective bargaining rights added to the state constitution (36.3% to 52.5%).

        Proposal 3 was losing by at least 20% in both polls. Adding a 25% renewable standard by 2025 was opposed by 57% in the News’s poll and 55% in the Free Press’s survey.

        The Free Press poll had Proposal 4, which would allow home health care aides to unionize, narrowly behind, 42% to 44%, within the poll’s margin of error. The News reported a larger spread, 39.7% to 47.7%.

    6. Bill Steffen says:

      But you SUPPORT the drunk teacher. Proposal 2 says the Constitution would require us to keep the drunk teacher until the 5th time! FIVE TIMES. We can’t have that…protect our children…as my friends say about the proposals, “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

    7. big Daddy BC says:

      There’s the hole! LOL The amendment doesn’t say anything about drunk teachers. It says that citizens have the right to bargain wages and working conditions. Fire the drunk teacher, but protect Michigan’s work force!

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Greenville Daily- Our View: Proposal 2 is a Trojan Horse

        “Michigan’s ballot Proposal 2 is probably the greatest assault on jobs reform — make that future employment possibilities in Michigan — of several “special interest only” efforts to alter Michigan’s constitution. It’s a blatant attempt to block the ability of future Legislatures to make needed decisions affecting life in Michigan.”

    8. Bill Steffen says:

      Proposal 2 would make it more difficult to terminate drunk teachers. Teachers like the drunk in Bay City would be constitutionally protected. Proposal 2 does not protect “Michigan’s work force”. It writes special privileges for a small group of public sector union employees. It does nothing to help “the 99%”. Read this:

      http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

    9. big Daddy BC says:

      That’s not true. PROP 2 doesn’t give any more strength to that contract than it already had. When it expires, it’s up to the bargaining team and school board to get rid of it. PROP 2 only insures that those people CAN get together to negotiate the contract, nothing more. PROP 2 insures that workers across the state will always be able to join together and bargain for a fair wage and working conditions. It’s good for the middle class, which is in bad need of protection. Join the PTA and so many people of faith in supporting PROPOSAL 2!!!

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Lansing State Journal- Prop 2 would Create Costly Problems

        “But if Prop 2 passes, it opens a Pandora’s box of questions that ultimately will need lengthy court battles to answer. That’s just not where Michigan needs to go. The costs —especially on the state’s counties and cities —could be potentially devastating coming on top of years of drastic budget cuts.”

    10. big Daddy BC says:

      Your friends are old, rich, white guys. Of course they like the racist EM law. Of course they want Michigan’s workers to lose their right bargain. It makes them money. You old rich guys are ruining our country.

      Stand with the PTA and people of faith. Vote YES ON PROP 2!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Detroit News- Vote NO on Prop 2, Worst of the Bunch

        “Of the long list of absolutely awful ballot measures facing Michigan voters on Nov. 6, Proposal 2 is the worst. It would end any hope of the state regaining its prosperity and seal its fate as an economic backwater.”

    11. Bill Steffen says:

      My friends are male AND female and decidedly middle class! They have nothing to gain. They do care about children and the Emergency Managers will bring hope and change to bankrupt cities and schools.

      Read this: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

      The slogan about the proposals is “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

    12. big Daddy BC says:

      Your supposed male AND female friends (yeah right) that are trumping up Prop 1, the racist EM law, as the only reasonable one on the ballot are either fictional or country club friends. People like you who make six figures and take six weeks of vacation a year are totally out of touch with how WE in the sinking middle class are being treated. We voted Snyder in because he claimed to be a level headed nerd. He promptly started stealing from schools and infrastructure to provide tax breaks for his buddies. Next he started raising taxes on us. We’re sick and tired of being treaded upon by rich people. A vote for Prop 2 won’t fix all that’s been done, but it will stop them from moving forward with the initiative to disable ALL unions in this state.

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        M-Live Media Group, including the G.R. Press says:

        State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

        A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection.”

        They recommend that you vote YES on Proposal One and NO on the rest of them.

  41. Bill Steffen says:

    Ah, a silly little cut and paste: https://www.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9COf+the+ten+states+in+the+US+without+teachers%E2%80%99+unions%2C+only+one+%E2%80%94+Virginia+%E2%80%94+had+NAEP+results+above+the+national+average%2C+and+four+%E2%80%94+Arizona%2C+Alabama%2C+Louisiana%2C+and+Mississippi+%E2%80%94+were+in+the+bottom+quintile.+%28One+scholar%2C+in+fact%2C+found+that+the+states+with+the+strongest+teachers+unions+tended+to+out-perform+states+with+weaker+unions+too.%29%E2%80%9D++%E2%80%9Cthree+professors+writing+in+the+Harvard+Educational+Review+did+a+statistical+analysis+of+state+SAT%2FACT+scores%2C+controlling+for+factors+like+race%2C+median+income%2C+and+parental+education.+They+found+that+the+presence+of+teachers+unions+in+a+state+did+have+a+measurable+and+significant+correlation+with+increased+test+scores+%E2%80%94+that+going+to+school+in+a+union+state+would%2C+for+instance%2C+raise+average+SATs+by+about+50+points.++Two+other+findings+leap+out+from+the+Harvard+Educational+Review+study.+First%2C+they+concluded+that+Southern+states%E2%80%99+poor+academic+performance+could+be+explained+almost+entirely+by+that+region%E2%80%99s+lack+of+unionization%2C+even+when+you+didn%E2%80%99t+take+socioeconomic+differences+into+account.%E2%80%9D&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    If public schools are so good…why does Barack Obama send his kids to private school? And Chelsea Clinton and just about every other Democrat that has the means to “escape” the public schools where they live. This article: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/opinion/bennett-chicago-strike/index.html says that 46% of CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Public schools exist to level the playing field for all. It’s the American Dream and you and your old rich friends would steal that from the middle class. You’d turn public schools into businesses and put your rich friends in charge. Widening the gap between the rich and poor will create a caste system in our society. Do you not know what country you live in? THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, land of the free and home of the brave!!! You and your rich friends would steal it out from under the noses of the middle class and that’s WRONG!

      BTW, we don’t live in Chicago, Bill. We live in West Michigan. We’re voting on an amendment that would protect Michigan workers and families, not people two states away. If you’d like to talk about how underfunded public schools are under this governor and legislature, I’m game. Don’t forget, your team of wealthy friends stole more than a billion dollars from public education in this state and gave it away as corporate welfare to corporations and CEOs. If public schools are hurting, it’s YOUR fault, but the fact is, they still outperform charter schools.

      But weren’t we talking about unions?

      “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

      “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

      Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

      http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        More cut and paste. Public schools don’t “exist to level the playing field”. You can do that by keeping everyone stupid! Schools exist to pull EVERYONE up…to give them to tools so that they can use their talents, abilities and interests to SUCCEED. That’s the American Dream! Proposal 2 doesn’t “protect Michigan families”. American families have to be protected from unions who write contracts to protect bad teachers. Look at the teacher’s contract in Bay City: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth A teacher has to be “under the influence” FIVE TIMES before they can be fired!! FIVE TIMES!!

        My friends say this about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Keeping everyone stupid? Are you calling poor people stupid!? Holy smokes, your continued campaign against the middle class and working poor has taken a decidedly disgusting turn. Why do you rich people hate poor people so much??

        Leveling the playing field does bring everyone up. Public schools provide opportunity where none would exist otherwise. It IS the American Dream because that opportunity is a doorway to higher education, a trade, vocational training, athletics, or entrepreneurial enterprises. You’re dead wrong to suggest that by hurting teachers, you’d improve that system. Unions help students otherwise the PTA wouldn’t endorse Prop 2! Otherwise, so many people of faith wouldn’t endorse Prop 2!! The only support you can provide is a list of those that would financially benefit from a unionless Michigan. And your shameless support of the racist Emergency Manager law further damages your credibility. Black communities don’t need overseers to manage their finances. This is a democracy!

        As far as those states without union protection goes…

        “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

        “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

        Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

        http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

        Shame on you for being on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
        VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        You’re the guys who want to knock down the successful! In France, the Socialists are going to ban homework because some families help their children with homework and learning and some don’t. So their solution is to bring DOWN the top to make them even with the bottom. That’s their path to equality…make everyone equally stupid.

        Again, we’re not against unions…we’re against unions protecting BAD teachers…no drunk teachers! Look at the teacher’s contract in Bay City: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth A teacher has to be “under the influence” FIVE TIMES before they can be fired!! FIVE TIMES!!

        As my friends say about the proposals…”ONE is BEST, vote NO on the rest”.

      4. big Daddy BC says:

        We live in MICHIGAN, not France, weatherman. We’re not trying to pass any kind of socialist or communist bill so cool your old cold war jets. We’re only trying to pass a measure that will ensure that factory workers, cops, firemen, nurses, and steel workers can join together and bargain with their employer for a fair wage and working conditions.

        Yes that contract is ridiculous, but no it doesn’t mean that teachers across the state will be able to get drunk at work. What it means is that this measure could have been bargained into to thousands of contracts over the last 80 years but was NOT. It’s a great piece of right-wing rhetoric but has nothing to do with the fact that our children will suffer if this legislature is allowed to dissolve Michigan’s unions in December.

        “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

        “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

        Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

        http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

        You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
        VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Holland Sentinel- Prop 2 Comes with Too Much Unwanted Baggage

          “Proposal 2, the collective bargaining initiative on the state ballot, is an excellent illustration of the pitfalls of trying to legislate through the ballot box.

          “The measure comes with hidden and unpredictable side effects that aren’t enumerated in the ballot language and could have significant financial consequences for school districts and local governments. “

      5. Bill Steffen says:

        Collective Bargaining is still there…nothing will change after Proposal 2 goes down to a well-deserved defeat next Tuesday. Nothing! Not one single thing will change on Wednesday. In the meantime, let’s find a way to protect our children from drunk teachers:

        The teacher’s contract in Bay City: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth A teacher has to be “under the influence” FIVE TIMES before they can be fired!! FIVE TIMES!!

        As my friends say about the proposals…”ONE is BEST, vote NO on the rest”.

        1. joanne says:

          I bet if that was in your contract you would have been let go long ago.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          What a witty comeback, JoAnne! How clever! Read This:

          Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun- Just Say No to the Constitutional Amendments

          “Tell the special interests – the unions, the capitalists, the do-gooders – to leave our constitution alone. Just say no.”

          That’s Proposals 2 thru 6. You should vote YES on Proposal ONE and NO on the rest of them.

      6. big Daddy BC says:

        Your friends support a racist law. African American communities do not need state overseers to manage their assets. You’re wrong for supporting it. Join with me, the PTA and so many people of faith in supporting an amendment to enshrine a right for Michigan’s labor force to joint together and bargain for a fair wage and working conditions.

        if the PTA supports Prop 2, it must be good for kids. The PTA exists to protect kids. If so many people of faith, including priests btw, have pledged their support for Prop 2, it must be good for kids. The only people who are saying otherwise stand to make financial gains from a unionless Michigan.

        In December’s Lame Duck session, the rightwing legislature in it’s last ditch effort will attempt to pass a Right to Work (for less) bill thereby effectively destroying labor in our state. Prop 2 will stop that! So yes, they DO INTEND TO END UNIONS IN MICHIGAN!!!

        Check out this list of clergy that support Prop 2. Anyone you know on there?

        Pastor George Adam After Christ
        Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
        Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
        Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
        Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
        Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
        Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
        Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
        Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
        Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
        Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
        Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
        Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
        Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
        Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
        Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
        Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
        Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
        Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
        Juan Escoreno MOSES
        Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
        Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
        Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
        Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
        Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
        Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
        Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
        Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
        Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
        Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
        Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
        Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
        Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
        Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
        Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
        Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
        Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
        Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
        Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
        Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
        Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
        Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
        Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
        Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
        Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
        Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
        Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
        Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
        Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
        Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
        Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
        Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
        Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
        Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
        Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
        Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
        Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
        Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
        Pastor M. J. Reed The River
        Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
        Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
        Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
        Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
        Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
        Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
        Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
        Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
        Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
        Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
        Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
        Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
        Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
        Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
        Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
        Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
        Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
        Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
        K. Yarber Mount hermon

        VOTE WITH THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH! VOTE YES FOR FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Detroit Free Press- Proposal 2: Vote NO

          “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations…

          The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction.”

          Detroit News- Vote NO on Prop 2, Worst of the Bunch

          “Of the long list of absolutely awful ballot measures facing Michigan voters on Nov. 6, Proposal 2 is the worst. It would end any hope of the state regaining its prosperity and seal its fate as an economic backwater.”

      7. Bill Steffen says:

        Read this article: http://articles.wsbt.com/2011-04-28/benton-harbor_29485035 This is African-Americans supporting the Emergency Manager in Benton Harbor. Also the Muskegon Heights School Board (mostly African-American) REQUESTED an Emergency Manager for their school district. It wasn’t imposed by Snyder. They ASKED for an E.M.

        My friends say about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

        1. joanne says:

          That article could also be titled “Ministers of Benton Harbor state: we do not fully agree with the provisions in Public Act 4″ LOL weatherman or “Ministers of Benton Harbor agree the city needs financial help but disagree with how the state handling it. ” Damn right wing media twists everything

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Muskegon Heights gets over 15K per student…7th highest of any district in the state. If you can’t educate a student on 15K+ move out of the way and bring in someone who can. The only ones foaming at the mouth in anger are union members who aren’t getting those precious dues. The Muskegon Heights School Board ASKED Snyder for an Emergency Manager. The District has gone charter and I’ll bet we see some student improvement. The students are what counts, not the thousands in union dues to funnel to your political cronies.

      8. big Daddy BC says:

        Oh, please. More overseers!!! That law is racist we all know it. African Americans have as much right as their white brothers and sisters to manage their own communities without an overseer from Lansing. It’s WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!

        http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      9. Bill Steffen says:

        The Emergency Managers ARE African-American! The authority for the Emergency Financial Manager (EFM) is laid out in Public Act 72 and was signed into law by Democratic Governor Jim Blanchard in 1990. Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm (D) and her Executive Team appointed an Emergency Financial Manager for Benton Harbor. The Emergency Managers have community support: http://articles.wsbt.com/2011-04-28/benton-harbor_29485035

      10. big Daddy BC says:

        That’s a lie. What was signed into law was a bill that enabled an Emergency FINANCIAL Manager. Snyder’s new law puts an overseer in place over whomever he wants. He’s the judge. He may have kept the name (dropping financial), but the powers he’s given himself and his overseers is vast and dangerous. Snyder’s law is very unpopular because it’s racist. He’s controlling only black communities. Shame on you for trying to sell it on this blog. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

        VOTE NO ON ONE!!
        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Everything I said in my comment above is 100% true! The Emergency Managers ARE African-American. They are helping communities, they are helping kids. The Muskegon Heights School Board ASKED for an Emergency Manager! They asked!

          The African-American community supports the African-American Emergency Manager in Benton Harbor: http://articles.wsbt.com/2011-04-28/benton-harbor_29485035

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Oh, God. You’re out of energy so you create the redneck avatar again. Sad.

          Educators do not want to lose the ability to bargain for smaller class sizes, better supplies, text books, and programming. They deserve a fair wage for doing what they do and they need to have a place at the table to ensure that students, not money, is the driving force. Schools are not factories!!! States with unions have higher graduation rates and higher standardized test scores than those states without unions. FACT!

          “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

          “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

          Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

          http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Educators bargain to keep drunks in the classroom! http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth The middle class says NO. We want at least a small shred of accountability. We want to keep our children safe…not use the Constitution to protect drunk teachers!

          My friends say about the proposals: “ONE is best, vote NO on the rest”.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Fire the drunk teacher and fire the school board for bargaining that contract, but protect Michigan’s work force by enshrining our right to bargain before the legislature takes away that right in December!!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          The liberal press is unanimous against Proposal 2:

          http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2

          My friends take on the proposal: “ONE is best, vote NO on the rest”

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          The press is owned by millionaires. It used to be liberal, but those days are gone. I’ve given you lists of faith leaders and the PTA as supporters. All you can generate is a list of people who stand to gain financially from a unionless Michigan.

          Michigan is the labor state. Losing our right to assemble and bargain a fair wage and benefits would send us back to the ’20s when CEOs made all the rules. Student scores will go down and graduation rates will decrease. Unions are good for kids, period.

          “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

          “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

          Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

          http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

          You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          Why would I believe your list of “faith leaders”. You’re list of businesses supposedly supporting Proposal 2 turned out to be a phony list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvnH_VFz1s

          Educators are against Proposal 2:

          – Michigan School Business Officials;
          – Michigan Sheriffs Association, representing Sheriffs and law enforcement officers across Michigan;
          – Small Business Association of Michigan, which represents small businesses across the state from accountants to appliance stores, restaurants to retailers.
          – Michigan Association of School Administrators, representing public school superintendents in 584 school districts and 57 intermediate school districts;
          – Michigan Association of School Boards, representing 600 boards of education across Michigan, nearly every public school district in the state;

          The Free Press poll showed Proposal 2 to be losing by four points (42% to 46%), within the poll’s 4.4% margin of error. The News, in contrast, reported a clear majority against the initiative to have collective bargaining rights added to the state constitution (36.3% to 52.5%).

          Proposal 3 was losing by at least 20% in both polls. Adding a 25% renewable standard by 2025 was opposed by 57% in the News’s poll and 55% in the Free Press’s survey.

          The Free Press poll had Proposal 4, which would allow home health care aides to unionize, narrowly behind, 42% to 44%, within the poll’s margin of error. The News reported a larger spread, 39.7% to 47.7%.

          It’s going to lose. However, let me personally thank the unions for pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into WOOD, WOTV4 and WXSP. Next time, buy banner ads on Bill’s Blog. The banner ads might actually get you a few votes. Your arrogant disruptions here turn people off. You’re a robo-commenter…but I do appreciate all the page views you give my blog. There’s still time to bet me…

      11. Bill Steffen says:

        What I wrote above is 100% true! 100%. Granholm appointed the Emergency Manager in Benton Harbor. He’s fighting hard for the city. You’re not. You have no plan except to shovel more money to the union bosses. They’re already pretty rich.

        The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 billion in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.

      12. big Daddy BC says:

        No, no, no. You clearly don’t understand the escalation of power grabbing done under Snyder. I’ve pointed this out to you countless times, and the fact that you still pretend to not get it smells of dishonesty. Not that you’d ever lie. LOL

        What was signed into law was a bill that enabled an Emergency FINANCIAL Manager. Snyder’s NEW law puts an overseer in place over whomever he wants. He’s the judge. He may have kept the name (dropping financial), but the powers he’s given himself and his overseers is vast and dangerous. Snyder’s law is very unpopular because it’s racist. He’s controlling only black communities…HIM, lilly white rich old Snyder. Shame on you for trying to sell it on this blog. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

        VOTE NO ON ONE!!
        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Every major newspaper in the state is against Proposal 2:

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

          Here’s how the M-Live newspapers suggest you vote on Tuesday:

          MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

          Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

          Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

          Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

          Proposal 4, home health care: No

          Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

          Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

    2. joanne says:

      That stat of 46% is an unsupported opinion from 25 years ago. LOL and you put it in all caps. HAAAAAA HAAAAA in caps.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Gallup poll here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/161486/far-fewer-say-temperatures-warmer-usual.aspx

        Survey of general public in U.S. March 7-10, 2013. Only 20% said that the weather was warmer than usual and it was because of global warming. 20%, that’s all!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      I’m not sure why we should care what Chicago teachers do with their children. Prop 2 is a michigan proposal and has nothing to do with where teachers’ kids attend school. PROP 2 does nothing more than protect our right to assemble and bargain a fair wage and working conditions. The mystery here is why our local weatherman would stand with CEOs on this issue. PROP 2 gives the middle class nothing more than what we already had. It’s only necessary now because this legislature has labor in the crosshairs. They fully intend to cripple labor in December’s Lame Duck session. If we protect it now, the middle class won’t have to roll over while corporate CEOs continue to cut Michigan workers’ wages and benefits while padding their own pockets.

      Prop 2 is supported by the PTA and clergy from across the state because it protects middle class families.

      Pastor George Adam After Christ
      Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
      Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
      Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
      Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
      Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
      Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
      Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
      Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
      Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
      Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
      Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
      Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
      Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
      Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
      Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
      Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
      Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
      Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
      Juan Escoreno MOSES
      Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
      Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
      Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
      Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
      Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
      Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
      Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
      Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
      Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
      Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
      Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
      Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
      Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
      Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
      Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
      Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
      Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
      Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
      Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
      Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
      Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
      Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
      Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
      Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
      Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
      Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
      Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
      Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
      Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
      Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
      Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
      Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
      Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
      Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
      Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
      Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
      Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
      Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
      Pastor M. J. Reed The River
      Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
      Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
      Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
      Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
      Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
      Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
      Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
      Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
      Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
      Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
      Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
      Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
      Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
      Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
      Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
      Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
      Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
      Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
      K. Yarber Mount hermon

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      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
      VOTE YES FOR MICHIGAN FAMILIES!!!

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    2. Bill Steffen says:

      You put together a phony list of businesses supposedly supporting Proposal 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvnH_VFz1s You’re a proven liar. You said Romney was a polygamist. He’s not. You lied. The truth is that pretty much everyone is against Proposal 2 including:

      – Michigan School Business Officials;
      – Michigan Sheriffs Association, representing Sheriffs and law enforcement officers across Michigan;
      – Small Business Association of Michigan, which represents small businesses across the state from accountants to appliance stores, restaurants to retailers.
      – Michigan Association of School Administrators, representing public school superintendents in 584 school districts and 57 intermediate school districts;
      – Michigan Association of School Boards, representing 600 boards of education across Michigan, nearly every public school district in the state;

      and every major newspaper in the state:

      Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

      Here is just a sample of what editorial boards from across Michigan are saying about Proposal 2:

      Detroit Free Press- Proposal 2: Vote NO

      “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations…

      The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction.”

      Here’s how the M-Live newspapers suggest you vote on the Proposals:

      MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

      Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

      Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

      Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

      Proposal 4, home health care: No

      Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

      Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

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