Weekend Weather Thread

November 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

  Update:  G.R. dipped to 31 Saturday morning.  Lots of cloud cover this Saturday.  I’m working the evening shift today.  We have local news from 7 – 8 PM after the Notre Dame and Michigan State football games.  Also, after Sandy, parts of New Jersey, E. PA and New York could see some snow.     Since we’ve already had a frost or freeze, the National Weather Service isn’t issuing Freeze Warnings or Frost Advisories anymore this season, but there will be frost and temperatures a little below freezing each of the next several mornings.  If you don’t mind it a little cooler than average, the next several days will be nice for outdoor yard work or events.   The overnight NAM model has showers coming earlier (Monday night), the GFS holds any rain off until Tuesday night into Wednesday (which is the forecast I have out now).   It looks like after a cooler than average first week of November, temperatures warm up to at least the mid-upper 50s by Friday of next week.  The GFS goes out to 16 days and doesn’t have much snow…maybe a very little about the 13th or 14th.  Afternoon temperatures should be in the mid 40s for the next few days.

Check out this newspaper report of SIX FEET of snow in West Virginia.  Click on the pictures at the link.  Here’s video of the W. Virginia snowIreland’s had an early snow.  Dublin was 2.6 degrees cooler than average in October.  Fourteen people have died in an early snowstorm and cold snap in Poland.  Check out the heavy snow in France.  The article says “It’s winter before it should be!”   A “short blast of very cold Arctic air” brought snow to the United Kingdom.  Here’s early snow in Stuttgart, Germany…”Record early snow in the Alps of Austria” (neat video).   Here’s snowcover in N. America.

Here’s an animated loop of Hurricane Sandy, with the center coming onshore near Atlantic City, New Jersey – then heading into Pennsylvania.

260 Responses to “Weekend Weather Thread”

  1. pat says:

    One article on tues the gfs says below 50 for 16 days than in another its changed WOW.So much for looking ahead.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Long range weather forcasting is nothing more than a quess based on very inaccurate models!

  2. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Saw a few snowflakes coming down on my morning donut run.

  3. Cold down here in the valley – 23 degrees. Sent the dog out in the back yard, he didn’t spend much time out there. All the yard work is done for the season, the snow blower is ready and now I can get back into woodcarving…

  4. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

    slight dusting of snow up at the YardOfDucks, and falling still.

  5. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

    So excited to see snow falling this morning! I will be in a festive holiday mood all day.

  6. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    Near Breton and 52nd… A few snow flakes – no accumulation however.

    Steelie

  7. big Daddy BC says:

    Everyone get out and vote on Tuesday!! And when you do, vote YES on PROPOSAL 2!!

    Check out this list of clergy are pledging support for Michigan’s labor force! They’ve also been joined by the PTA!

    Pastor George Adam After Christ
    Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
    Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
    Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
    Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
    Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
    Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
    Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
    Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
    Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
    Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
    Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
    Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
    Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
    Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
    Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
    Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
    Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
    Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
    Juan Escoreno MOSES
    Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
    Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
    Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
    Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
    Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
    Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
    Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
    Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
    Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
    Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
    Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
    Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
    Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
    Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
    Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
    Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
    Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
    Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
    Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
    Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
    Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
    Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
    Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
    Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
    Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
    Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
    Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
    Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
    Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
    Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
    Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
    Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
    Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
    Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
    Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
    Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
    Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
    Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
    Pastor M. J. Reed The River
    Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
    Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
    Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
    Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
    Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
    Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
    Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
    Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
    Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
    Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
    Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
    Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
    Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
    Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
    Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
    Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
    Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
    Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
    K. Yarber Mount hermon

    VOTE WITH THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH! VOTE YES FOR FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

      1. Jack says:

        REV. JACK, SAys…VOTE NO..Prop. 2 !!!!!

        1. Jo Anne Reid says:

          Amen! Vote “No” on all of them! Anything that wants to change our Constitution with trick legal language should not be passed! We already have enough laws to protect us without their help!

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Have a look at all the anti-labor amendments this legislature has made to our constitution in the last two years.

          http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1t5zs545fvezadjkg4eadvua))/mileg.aspx?page=ExecuteSearch&legislativesession=2011-2012&detailedcategory=Constitutional%20amendments,%20state

          That “don’t mess with our constitution” BS the CEOs are trying to sell serves only them. They’ve been messing with our constitution for two years!!

          One amendment to protect the workforce on top of so many anti-labor amendments is exactly what the middle class of this state NEEDS. If 2 doesn’t pass, our state government will pass a litany of anti-labor bills in its December lame duck session.

          It’s now or we lose it forever!

          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          The Detroit Free Press Editorial on Proposal 2: Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive.”

      2. michael g (SE GR) says:

        Yeah, more unions, just what we need. Unions are the reason non-union electric crews from Alabama were turned away in New Jersey yesterday. Guess they didn’t need the help.

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        Crain’s Detroit Business- Approve 1, Vote ‘NO’ on the Rest

        “Approval of (Proposal 2) would invalidate dozens of state laws, lead to litigation and make government less able to live within its means.”

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Yeah, Snyder may have to end some of those tax cuts he gave to his rich friends when he raised taxes on the middle class and gutted public education.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Proposal 2 is going to be SOLIDLY defeated. http://www.annarbor.com/news/opinion/mlive-media-group-vote-no-on-michigans-proposal-2-to-keep-michigan-competitive-for-jobs-and-investme/ M-live says:

          “Vote no on Michigan’s Proposal 2 to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment.”

          Hear that everyone…M-live says vote NO on Proposal 2 for Michigan jobs!

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          That MLIVE article was written by ‘unknown.’ It was an op-ed piece. Be honest for once, Bill. These bloggers aren’t stupid. You shouldn’t treat them like they are.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Newspapers have editorial boards. These are often composed of liberals. The Detroit Free Press endorses Democrats, and yet look at what they say about Proposal 2:

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, NOT ONE newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

          Detroit Free Press- Proposal 2: Vote NO

          “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations…

          The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction.”

        5. Katie in Kentwood says:

          Vote YES on Prop 2!!! And GRProp2!!

        6. Kim (nw gr) says:

          I will vote no on prop 2… I am all for unions but not government unions…why should I pay for them to get all their wonderful benefits when the private sector gets screwed…wake up people in the private sector…geesh

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          This is about the public and private sector. It’s about nurses, steelworkers, and millwrights. I understand your confusion, but this is bigger than you think. Our legislature is promising to pass a right to work law in December, crippling our labor force. Hasn’t the middle class had enough abuse from banks and CEOs?

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      ROCK ON Big Daddy!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Midland Daily News- Vote ‘NO’ on Proposals 2-6; ‘Yes’ on Proposal 1

        “Our Michigan Constitution is not for sale. It is not a place for special interests to lock in their agendas.

        “Our Constitution protects our values, our principles and our rights and outlines how our government shall operate. It should not, under any circumstances, become a piecemealed document filled with amendments put forth by special interests that have the money to gain access to an election ballot.”

        1. Jo Anne Reid says:

          Amen to that, Bill!

    2. John (Holland) says:

      I’m voting against all the constitutional amendments.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        If we can’t count on our constitution to protect working families, what can we count on? That’s what our constitution is for. Prop 2 wouldn’t be necessary if labor wasn’t in the crosshairs. Our legislature is planning to push more anti-labor bills through in the December Lame Duck session. Without Prop 2, the middle class will lose again.

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!
        VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

        http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Newspaper endorsements are great, but what’s better is an endorsement by the PTA. The PTA exists to protect children and it endorses PROP 2!!! That actually means something. All the supporters you’ve listed so far will make money in a unionless Michigan. The PTA supports PROP 2 because unionized schools do better! Public schools can not be beaten and public schools in states that honor collective bargaining are on top. Those without are among the worst in the nation, with higher dropout rates and lower achievement.

          Voting Yes on Prop 2 will protect not only the middle class, but our children and schools as well!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          The PTA has become shills for the MEA.

          Look at the Educators Opposed to Proposal 2:

          Michigan School Business Officials;

          Michigan Association of School Administrators, representing public school superintendents in 584 school districts and 57 intermediate school districts;

          Michigan Association of School Boards, representing 600 boards of education across Michigan, nearly every public school district in the state;

          Add to that thousands of MEA members who generally vote against the MEA.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          So now you’re attacking the PTA? Holy Cow, you’re uncouth and crude. Get a life.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        5. Paul says:

          PROP 2 WOULD ALLOW PEDAFILES TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN AND BE AROUND THEM ALL DAY WHILE YOU’RE WORKING HARD. DO YOU WANT THAT?

          VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          Prop 2 takes care of working people. It strengthens the middle class and protects children. Those states that forbid bargaining have a higher drop out rate, lower test scores, and an impoverished teaching staff.

          “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

          “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

          Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

          Fact is, unions are EXCELLENT for student performance and schools in general.

          http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

          VOTE YES ON PROPOSAL 2!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          Every significant newspaper in Michigan is against proposal 2, like M-Live: State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

          A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection.

      2. GunLakeDeb says:

        I’m with you, John – the Constitution is NOT for Special Interests (especially Matty Maroun)

        1. Stephen says:

          I was talking with my brother who is a fireman and he says many fireman will likely be in jeopardy of losing there job if Prop 2 does not pass. Don’t just look at it as amending the constitution that’s just ignorant.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          I wonder what you think the constitution is for, Deb. It’s there to protect US!

          Something else to consider is how states without unions stack up against Michigan. Educationally, they can’t compete. They have lower graduation rates and lower test scores. When teachers aren’t allowed at the table to bargain for lower class sizes, calendar, materials, and professional development, students lose. In the world of law enforcement and fire protection, it means better equipment and infrastructure. For steel workers, nurses, factory workers, millwrights and plumbers, it means competitive wages and safer work environments.
          Those that are paying for these zillions of anti-2 commercials are doing so because they want to roll our laws back to the ’20s. Unions are the reason we have child labor laws, a five day work week, and insurance. Prop 2 does nothing more than insure that this protection will continue to exist in the future regardless of who’s in Lansing.

          Stephen is right, if we don’t pass this, the middle class is going to be in BIG trouble.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        3. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

          I support Proposal 2. Big Daddy is right that it allows teachers to bargain to make the school environment better for students. Look what happened in Detroit after the “emergency financial manager” moved in and union members weren’t allowed a say — 60 students in a class! In addition, unions raise the standards for pay and safety for ALL workers.

          If you’re cool with employers telling you, “This is how your work environment is, whether it’s safe, fair, or not, take it or leave it,” then don’t support unions. But if you enjoy having a say in your workplace environment, then support Proposal 2.

          By the way, the ridiculous billboard on US-131 saying that voting “yes” on Proposal 2 will somehow affect the post Labor Day school start? That’s a complete lie. LEGISLATORS decided to have the post Labor Day start because they thought it would encourage tourism. Teachers and unions had nothing to do with it.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Then why do you get contracts like this: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth Drunk teachers would have Constitutional Protection if Proposal 2 passes (which it won’t – the polls show it losing). It’s been dissed by every newspaper in the state, including the papers that have endorsed Obama: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/blog/2012/10/its-unanimous-detroit-free-press-joins-editorial-boards-against-prop-2 Outside of the unions, who have pumped over 8 million dollars into the Proposal 2 campaign (including $250,000 from the public school teachers in the Grand Rapids schools – that could have hired 4 extra teachers!), and the political party that will get millions back in campaign contributions…no one else favors this.

          This is what the Detroit Free Press, which has a liberal editorial board says about Proposal 2:

          ” Detroit Free Press- Proposal 2: Vote NO

          “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations…

          The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction.”

          My friends say: “ONE is the BEST, vote NO on the rest!”

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          It’s hard to imagine why our local weatherman is opposed to a proposal that protects the middle class, especially given the rough road we’ve been on. It’s time to stand by working people and support a measure that protects working families. Bill’s dead wrong. PROP 2 is the protection cops, factory workers, and nurses need against a legislature that’s put labor in the cross hairs. We don’t care what some corporate owned Detroit newspaper says about it. What we care about is taking care of Michigan’s middle class. We care that the PTA is standing in support of it and that so many people of faith have pledged their support.

          I got three separate things in the mail today condemning Prop 2! If this wasn’t so good for labor, the CEOs and billionaires wouldn’t be spending so much money opposing it.

          VOTE FOR PROP 2!!!
          VOTE FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          From the M-live newspapers:

          “State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

          A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection; this proposal is unions going on the offensive to embed in our state constitution rights that already are granted under state and federal law – the rights to organize for collective bargaining. It would create an environment where employees could be compelled into union membership — not through law, but through a contract stipulation.”

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          That MLive article was written by “unknown.” It was op-ed piece that was given to them by the opposition to PROP 2. Be honest for once, Bill. These bloggers aren’t stupid.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          Opposing Proposal 2:

          Michigan School Business Officials;

          Michigan Sheriffs Association, representing Sheriffs and law enforcement officers across Michigan;

          Michigan Association of School Administrators, representing public school superintendents in 584 school districts and 57 intermediate school districts;

          Michigan Association of School Boards, representing 600 boards of education across Michigan, nearly every public school district in the state;

          Small Business Association of Michigan, which represents small businesses across the state from accountants to appliance stores, restaurants to retailers.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          So the administrators (CEOs) don’t support protection for the rights of workers to organize and bargain for fair wages and working conditions? LOL What a surprise. What’s important is who does support PROP 2!

          The PTA SUPPORTS PROP 2!!!

          And so do these people:

          Pastor George Adam After Christ
          Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
          Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
          Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
          Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
          Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
          Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
          Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
          Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
          Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
          Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
          Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
          Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
          Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
          Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
          Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
          Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
          Juan Escoreno MOSES
          Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
          Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
          Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
          Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
          Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
          Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
          Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
          Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
          Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
          Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
          Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
          Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
          Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
          Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
          Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
          Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
          Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
          Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
          Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
          Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
          Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
          Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
          Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
          Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
          Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
          Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
          Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
          Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
          Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
          Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
          Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
          Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
          Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor M. J. Reed The River
          Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
          Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
          Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
          Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
          Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
          Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
          Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
          Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
          Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
          Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
          Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
          Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
          Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
          Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
          Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
          Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
          Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
          K. Yarber Mount hermon

          VOTE WITH THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH! VOTE YES FOR FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

        10. Paul says:

          PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN AND VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          The Detroit Free Press says this about Proposal 2: Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive

    3. Grandville says:

      Yes on 2! Right on Big D!

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        ROCK ON Grandville!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Greenville Daily- Our View: Proposal 2 is a Trojan Horse

          “Michigan’s ballot Proposal 2 is probably the greatest assault on jobs reform — make that future employment possibilities in Michigan — of several “special interest only” efforts to alter Michigan’s constitution. It’s a blatant attempt to block the ability of future Legislatures to make needed decisions affecting life in Michigan.”

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        THANKS, GRANDVILLE!!!!

        1. Paul says:

          DO YOU WANT PEDAFILES TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN? IF NOT, VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          So don’t hire Paul to teach your children, obviously.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          The union wants to keep drunk teachers from getting fired: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17602

    4. Bill Steffen says:

      Livingston Daily- How to Vote on Six Michigan Ballot Issues – NO on 2

      “Federal laws already guarantee protective bargaining rights. This proposal is a thinly disguised effort to give constitutional protection to wages, benefits and working conditions of public employees — even if it is at the expense of the services that taxpayers expect from their government.

      “If passed, the initiative will wipe out current money-saving provisions passed by legislative bodies and strip away future powers from elective boards. Such language in the constitution would be a disaster. Proposal 2 needs to be voted down.”

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Which provisions, Bill? NAME ONE!!!!!

        More scare tactics! More lies! If the legislature wasn’t planning to eliminate unions in this state, they wouldn’t be fighting PROP 2 so hard. They’re pouring tens of millions into ads. I got three in the mail just today! Who’s paying for it and why? Why are the rich so offended by our trying to protect ourselves from greedy corporations and CEOs?

        http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          If Proposal 2 fails (and it will – everyone’s pretty much against it but the unions and they don’t even have all their members behind this), nothing will change. Hopefully, we can actually give home health care providers a chance to vote on whether they want to have hundreds of their dollars funneled to the SEIU.

          “Tens of millions”. B.S….total and complete B.S. This website that YOU first linked to: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_%22Protect_Our_Jobs%22_Amendment,_Proposal_2_%282012%29 says that the UNIONS have pumped in $8,067,869.79 while the opposition has pumped in $340,150.00

          And despite that 24-1 disadvantage, the “little guys” are going to win and the rich side is going to lose.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          LOL That site was used to show how much money the CEOs are hiding. The little guy is the working Mom or Dad that can’t make ends meet because they’re being taxed to give corporate welfare to companies like Amway. They’re the nurse or the steelworker who are about to lose their right to organize and collectively bargain for a fair wage and working condition.

          You’re, once again, on the wrong side of an issue that’s incredibly important Michigan’s middle class. When will you stop siding with CEOs and millionaires? You should be ashamed of yourself.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        3. Paul says:

          VOTE YES ON PROP 1 AND NO ON THE REST!

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Prop 2 takes care of working men and women. It strengthens the middle class and protects children. Those states that forbid bargaining have a higher drop out rate, lower test scores, and an impoverished teaching staff.

          “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

          “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

          Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

          Fact is, unions are EXCELLENT for student performance and schools.

          http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

          VOTE YES ON PROPOSAL 2!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          M-Live on Proposal 2: “State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

          A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection.”

  8. Skot says:

    Anything that the Governor needs to involved in…VOTE NO !!! We have Enough Big Brother Involvement already.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      ROCK ON Skot.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun- Just Say No to the Constitutional Amendments

        “Tell the special interests – the unions, the capitalists, the do-gooders – to leave our constitution alone. Just say no.”

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun???? LOL Who cares?!

          700,000 Michigan citizens signed a petition to get this on the ballot. We don’t care how many media moguls oppose our right to bargain.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Even some union members are voting NO on Proposal 2. From M-live: jcj

          10:42 PM on 10/31/2012

          As a 45-year union member I say vote no on this bad idea!

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          LOL Yeah, right. But what IS true is that democrats and republicans alike are voting yes on PROP 2! I’ve seen PROP 2 signs next to Romney signs all over the state.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES AND THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!!!!

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          HA – name ONE place where there is a Romney sign and a pro Prop. 2 sign! Just one. “all over the state”…yeah right, YOU’VE been all over the state.

          “The Free Press poll showed Proposal 2 to be losing by four points (42% to 46%), within the poll’s 4.4% margin of error. The News, in contrast, reported a clear majority against the initiative to have collective bargaining rights added to the state constitution (36.3% to 52.5%).

          Proposal 3 was losing by at least 20% in both polls. Adding a 25% renewable standard by 2025 was opposed by 57% in the News’s poll and 55% in the Free Press’s survey.

          The Free Press poll had Proposal 4, which would allow home health care aides to unionize, narrowly behind, 42% to 44%, within the poll’s margin of error. The News reported a larger spread, 39.7% to 47.7%.”

          MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

          Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

          Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

          Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

          Proposal 4, home health care: No

          Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

          Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Seriously. You want me to tell who’s yard has both signs. Idiot.

          Do you think the 700,000 signature on the petition to get PROP 2 on the ballot were all written by democrats? Do you think all the clergy that have united behind PROP 2 are all democrats or that the hundreds of Michigan small businesses that have pledged support are all owned by democrats? Lots and lots and lots of republicans support labor. Lots and lots and lots of factory workers, plumbers, and nurses are a part of labor and vote republican. If you think our entire labor force is made up of only democrats you’re so partisan you can’t see straight.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        6. Paul says:

          PEDAFILES WANT TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN, DO YOU WANT THEM TO?
          IF NOT, VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      PROP 2 is NOT big brother. It’s protection AGAINST big brother!! Prop 2 does nothing more than protect the working peoples’ right to bargain for a fair wage and working conditions.

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

        There’s a paper ad being mailed out to people in the GR area saying that Proposal 2 will protect criminals. Think of the stories you’ve read in the news recently about teachers and school staff who’ve committed crimes. Are they still teaching? Heck no. Is the union protecting them and covering up their crimes? No way! The criminals are warming a bed in prison or are on their way there, and that’s where they belong, just like anyone else in any profession who breaks trust and commits a crime. Union members don’t want to associate or work with criminals, either.

        1. michael g (SE GR) says:

          I would disagree, but I’m afraid you’d file a grievance.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Hmm. Lisa’s right on! Those ads ARE lying. Prop 2 doesn’t give teachers or other union employees any more protection under their contracts then they’ve always had. All it does is insure that working people will always be able to negotiation for fair wages and benefits. Prop 2 will stop the legislature from kicking unions out of Michigan in December!!!

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          M-live says: “Proposal 2 is unnecessary and reckless: We urge a “no” vote.”

          My friends say this about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest”.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          M-Live doesn’t say that at all. You’re lying. A anonymous “unknown” author wrote that in an opinion piece. Nice try.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Comment on M-live:

          Let’s focus on the facts:

          FACT: No other state has a constitutional amendment like this.
          FACT: Between 100 and 170 laws will be invalidated because of the passage of 2.
          FACT: The MLive Media Group, the Michigan Press Association, the Daily Telegram (Adrian), the Holland Sentinel, the Detroit Free Press, the Detroit News, the Battle Creek Enquirer, the Livingston Daily, the Lansing State Journal, the Michigan Sheriff’s Association, the Michigan Association of School Administrators, and the Michigan Association of School Boards have come out against Prop 2.

          Join us against Proposal 2 in Michigan. Like us at facebook.com/votenoontwo. No corporate funding, no attack ads, just concerned citizens that think this is a very bad amendment.

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          M-Live doesn’t say that at all. You’re lying. A anonymous “unknown” author wrote that in an opinion piece. Nice try.

          The constitution exists to protect our rights. The legislature has labor in the crosshairs. If we don’t act now and protect it, we’ll lose it and be at the mercy of CEOs and corporations. This is the labor state!!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR LABOR!!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          The Herald-Palladium

          Vote ‘NO’ on this overreaching power grab by unions. For this reason alone we oppose Proposal 2. But there is so much more to dislike about this attempt to amend the state constitution.

          Between the presidential election and so many proposals on this year’s ballot, we fear that the significance of Proposal 2 is being lost amid the rest of the election noise.

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          …but our conservative rag doesn’t want to give any specifics because we’re in the business of fear, not news, but more importantly our millionaire owner doesn’t like the idea of protecting the working man and his family because the tax breaks Snyder gave him are in jeopardy.

          Bill, you and your rich friends are going to lose this one.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s the unions that are rich: “The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 billion in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.”

          “It is our job to protect Michiganders but Proposal 2 would tie our hands,” Ionia County Sheriff Dwain Dennis said in a release. “Take it from me—Proposal 2 is dangerous.”

          Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

          Here is just a sample of what editorial boards from across Michigan are saying about Proposal 2:

          Detroit Free Press- Proposal 2: Vote NO

          “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations…

          The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction.”

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          1.2 BILLION? That’s a boldfaced LIE. If that were true, we’d be getting daily mailings from the UAW instead of all the anti-2, Mackinac Center crap!! Anti-2 is so well financed that they’re outspending the good guys 10:1!! I got three separate mailings from them yesterday alone!!

          Your slanderous attack on unions makes me believe you’d support a bill to outlaw unions in this state. Wow! How many working families watch your nightly broadcast? How many working families are just barely getting by, yet you’d strip their rights further. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue, weatherman.

          How about standing with your viewers for once! Stand with labor! Stand with cops, firemen, factory workers, and steel workers!!

          Don’t let the legislature make this a right to work state in December!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        11. Paul says:

          IF PROP 2 PASSES, PEDAFILES WILL BE ALLOWED TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? IF NOT, VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        Detroit News- Vote NO on Prop 2, Worst of the Bunch

        “Of the long list of absolutely awful ballot measures facing Michigan voters on Nov. 6, Proposal 2 is the worst. It would end any hope of the state regaining its prosperity and seal its fate as an economic backwater.”

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          But more importantly, if PROP 2 passes, it’ll mean that workers in Michigan will continue to have the right to demand a fair wage and working conditions. That may cost some CEOs their bonuses. Shame. The millionaires are spending every dime they can spare to defeat this measure. Anyone wonder why? I got three ads in the mail today, all opposing 2! Who’s funding this do you think? LOL You’d think those fat-cat union bosses would be keeping up.

          Must be nurses and millwrights don’t have the money and clout of the Koch Bros funded Mackinac Center. Follow the money, people.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s B.S. and you know it. If Proposal gets a deserved kick to the wastebasket, workers will STILL have the right to demand a fair wage and working conditions. Public sector unions bargain against the taxpayer, not some CEO.

          Your comment that “millionaires are spending every dime to defeat this measure is total B.S. Go here:

          The unions have spent: $8,067,869.79 The opposition has spent: $340,150.00 That’s a 24 to 1 advantage. The Grand Rapids Public School Teachers (GREA) have kicked in $250,000. For that kind of money, they could hire four teachers!

          (CNSNews.com) – The United Autoworkers Union, which had a total net worth of $1.2 billion in 2007, owns a $27 million resort and conference center that features a $6 million upscale golf course, according to financial statements on file with the U.S. Department of Labor.

          net worth of 1.2 BILLION…not million but BILLION! And you think the nurses, the checkout clerks, the dear Hispanic ladies who clean our building should kick in even more for the pensions of union bosses? Really?

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          That link was mine, Slick. The point was that millions are being hidden by the people who oppose PROP 2. It’s business as usual as Michigan’s handful of billionaires poison the airwaves with mistruths and outright lies.

          PROP 2 will enshrine the right for middle class workers to organize and collectively bargain for a fair wage and working conditions…nothing more. Your scare tactics don’t work. The only support you’ve provided will make money off a unionless Michigan. That’s WRONG, IMMORAL, and the last thing the already hurting working families of this state need!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          There are no black people asking for a white overseer to take over their community, sell off their public lands, fire their elected officials, and cancel all their contracts. Is that what you and your rich friends tell each other down at the country club?

          Get real. PROP 1 is racist and WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!

          VOTE NO ON PROP 1!!!
          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        4. Paul says:

          YOUR CHILDREN NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM PEDAFILES, TO DO THAT WE NEED TO VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Prop 2 takes care of working men and women. It strengthens the middle class and protects children. Those states that forbid bargaining have a higher drop out rate, lower test scores, and an impoverished teaching staff.

          “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

          “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

          Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

          Fact is, unions are EXCELLENT for student performance and schools in general.

          http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

          VOTE YES ON PROPOSAL 2!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Detroit Free Press on Proposal 2: “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive.”

  9. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    To all of my right wing conservative blog friends: I guarantee that Pres. Obama will win MI and Ohio and he will be your President for the next four years. Get ready! Why will he win MI and Ohio – it is obvious – his policies have saved the auto industry and have prevented this country from a total economic collapse. It is clear. What was the Dow Jones average when Obama took office and what is it currently?

    1. To all my blog friends interested in talking about the weather- where are you? ;)

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        It’s cold out. Brrrrrr

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Lansing State Journal- Prop 2 would Create Costly Problems

          “But if Prop 2 passes, it opens a Pandora’s box of questions that ultimately will need lengthy court battles to answer. That’s just not where Michigan needs to go. The costs —especially on the state’s counties and cities —could be potentially devastating coming on top of years of drastic budget cuts.”

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          The PTA supports Prop 2. They carries a heck of a lot more weight than your handful of millionaire-owned newspapers!

          “When teachers have the right to collectively bargain, they use their voice to fight for what’s right for our school children,” said Michigan PTA President Shaton Berry. “Teachers bargain for training, smaller class sizes, and the materials they need to keep kids safe and to improve educational outcomes. As the voice of parents across our state, we support collective bargaining.”

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!
          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Thursday, November 1st, 2012

          Detroit News

          There have been all kinds of warnings about the dangers of Prop 2 — which would subject the state Constitution and state laws to continual amendment by labor contract. One of the biggest dangers posed by the amendment is the sheer uncertainty about the costs and nature of state and local government that would be imposed by the proposed…

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Prop 2 takes care of working men and women. It strengthens the middle class and protects children. Those states that forbid bargaining have a higher drop out rate, lower test scores, and an impoverished teaching staff.

          “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

          “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

          Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

          Fact is, unions are EXCELLENT for student performance and schools in general.

          http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

          VOTE YES ON PROPOSAL 2!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          The Saline Post

          “One issue on November’s ballot will have a huge impact on Saline Area Schools. Proposal 2 has the potential, if enacted, to cost the school district upwards of $1.5 million annually. The fact is Proposal 2 will take money out of the classroom and reduce the student educational experience. I strongly recommend a NO vote on Proposal 2.”

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          The Saline Post?? LOL It describes a ‘potential.’ The potential for teachers in that town to bargain a fair contract has always existed. It’s the job of the super and his school board to make sure the teachers receive a contract the district can afford. PROP 2 has nothing to do with that. It only insures that the process is protected. The conservative Saline Post has mislead its readers just as you’re trying to do, weatherman. You’re on the wrong side of yet another issue.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          Detroit Free Press says vote YES on Proposal 1 and vote NO on the rest: http://www.freep.com/article/20121021/OPINION01/310210022/Detroit-Free-Press-Endorsements-Of-the-six-statewide-ballot-proposals-keep-one-discard-five?odyssey=nav|head

          Here’s what the Detroit Free Press says:

          “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction.”

          Sounds like we should vote NO on Proposal 2!

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          The Free Press may not like 2, but hundreds of Michigan businesses have pledged support! So has the PTA! Why should we care what a millionaire-run newspaper thinks?

          34th Street Mall Wyoming
          A1 Mechanics Towing & Repair Roseville
          A&A Auto Service Royal Oak
          A&B Outlet Grand rapids
          ABASS African Hair Braiding Detroit
          Abba Gifts Temperance
          ABC Cleaning Services Rockford
          The Accessories Shop Royal Oak
          A.C. Beauty Burton
          ACME Safety Council Grand Rapids
          Action Auto Parts Sterling Heights
          Adam and Son Design Company, Inc. Fraser
          Adorable Diaper Creation Detroit
          Advanced Construction Technology Marshall
          Advanced Laser Graphics Howell
          Advanced Screenprinting Sterling Heights
          Advantage Billing Grand Rapids
          African Fabric and Fashion Detroit
          The Aha Gallery Au Gres
          AJ’s cuts Detroit
          Akashic Corner, Inc. Roseville
          Alliance Trucking and Transport Detroit
          Allied Hearing Mount Pleasant
          All Star Sports Bar Burton
          Al’s Body Shop Ironwoood
          America’s Dream Realty Lansing
          America’s Stamp Stop Berkley
          Ambiance Ultra Lounge Detroit
          American Income Life Traverse City
          American Travel LLC Sterling Heights
          Amy Wig Beauty Supply Detroit
          Amygdala Naturals Rockford
          Anchor Bay Bicycle & Fitness Chesterfield
          Andary’s Grill Eastpointe
          Anderson Excavating Rapid River
          Andre’s Tailoring and Alterations Lansing
          Andrew’s on the Corner Detroit
          Ann Arbor Solex Ann Arbor
          Anointed & Talented Nails Detroit
          Ann Perry & Partners Pleasant Ridge
          Anthony B’s Clinton Twp
          Apollo Lanes Roseville
          Appliance Wholesale Service and Outlet, LLC Warren
          APS Cleaning Service Clinton Twp
          Ardis Music Mt. Clemens
          Argos Book Shop Grand Rapids
          Art Girl Creative Works Royal Oak
          Art in Bloom Brighton
          Art of Rugs Detroit
          Arts Barber Shop Fraser
          At Will Tattoo Warren
          Athen’s Liquor Store
          Atrium Cafe & Ice Cream Parlour
          Attentive Care Companions Grand Rapids
          Audio Unlimited Flint
          Authentic Barber Shop Detroit
          Auto Brite Auto Sales Mt. Clemens
          Auto Max Plus Mt. Clemens
          Auto Medics of Shelby Shelby Twp.
          The Avenue Cafe Lansing
          The Avenue Hair Salon Mt. Clemens
          Award and Sports Saginaw
          B&D Mini Mart Munger
          B&J Inflatables Saginaw
          Backstreet Cycle and Machine Ironwood
          Badland Strategies Kalamazoo
          Bagel and Bites Brighton
          Bagel Factory Cafe Troy
          Bagel Time & Donut Station Sterling Heights
          Bara Braiding Detroit
          The Barka Lounge Shelby Township
          Barnard Building & Construction Kalamazoo
          Barnes Agency Kinross
          Barnes Law Firm, PLLC Spring Lake
          Barry and Company Wyandotte
          Barter Town Grand Rapids
          Baseline Feed Warren
          Bayard Art and Frame Grand Rapids
          BC Stone Pizzeria Roseville
          Beach Front Hotel Houghton Lake
          Beat Goes On Grand Rapids
          Beatnius/mixstreet Grand Rapids
          Beauty Box Salon Lansing
          Before & After Lansing
          Before & After Utica
          Benesys, Inc.
          Bentley’s Pizza & Sub Shop Grand Rapids
          The Berkley Book Corner Berkley
          Berkley Chop Shop Berkley
          Berkley Shoe Repair Berkley
          Best N Detroit Laundromat Detroit
          Big Boss Detroit
          Big D’s Diner Pickford
          Big Sky Diner Ypsilanti
          Big Ugly Fish Saginaw
          Bill Williams Trucking Birch Run
          Bindu African Hair Detroit
          Binge’s Auto Repair Clinton Township
          BJ Designs Saginaw
          Blackrock’s Brewery Marquette
          Blake’s Lawn Care Idlewild
          Blank & Blvd. Ann Arbor
          Bleakley Law Offices Muskegon
          Blissful Finds and Treasures Saranac
          Bliss Sweet Shoppe Commerce
          Blissful Finds and Treasures Saranac
          Blohm Creative Partners East Lansing
          Blue City Transportation North Shores
          Blue Consulting
          Blue Print Financial Grandville
          Booked for the Season Muskegon
          The Book Garden Mt.Pleasant
          Book Shelf Mt.Pleasant
          Books + Plus Mount Pleasant
          Boot-Rite Computer Solutions Sterling Heights
          Borcho’s Hi Tech Auto Repair, Inc Warren
          Bosna Express Wyoming
          Bostaan Warren
          BNB Oil Change Warren
          Bourne Again Treasures Sterling Heights
          Brenner Landscaping Farmington Hills
          Brian Kainulainen Photography Scottville
          Bride To be Video Monroe
          Bridgefort, Inc. Detroit
          Britten Designs Wyoming
          BRL Development Corp. Keewadin
          Brunswick Public House Roseville
          Bryan Jones Construction, Inc Mason
          Buckley’s Mountainside Canoes Mt. Pleasant
          Burgess Strategic Marketing Services Troy
          Burns Realty Ann Arbor
          Burton Auto & Tire Center Burton
          Butler’s Collision Roseville
          Buttercream Bakeshop Wixom
          Butter Nut Bakery Center Line
          Buzz Barber Shop Detroit
          C. Charles Hahn Automotive Appearance Specialist Lansing
          Cafe Ambrosia Ann Arbor
          Cafe Con Leche Detroit
          Cake Luv Southfield cakeluvonwheels.com
          Cake N’ Coffee Grand Rapids
          Campbell Liquor Store Royal Oak
          Capitol Fundraising Associates Lansing
          Car Guys Auto Center Fraser
          Carlo’s Pizza Wyoming
          Carl’s Boats & Motors St. Clair Shores
          Carol M. Hogan, Attorney and Counselor at Law Warren
          Carol’s Catering Grand Rapids
          Carpet Specialists Ishpeming
          Cascarelli’s Pizza Homer
          Cathy’s Best Value Warren
          Celia’s Corner Cafe Owosso
          Celtic Sisters Candles & Candies New Baltimore
          Center Stage Family Hair Care Saginaw
          Chantelle Jewelers Madison Heights
          Charlar Place Holt
          Chapel of the Chimes Funeral Home Westland
          Charlie’s Auto & Truck Port Huron
          Chesaning Nursing Care Chesaning
          Chic Salon Marquette
          Child Star Development Center Detroit
          China Palace Wyoming
          Chiro Plus Inc. Chesterfield
          The Chocolate Buzz Traverse City
          Chocolate Moose Catering & More Jackson
          Chris Awesome Cuts Detroit
          Cisco Len Inc.
          City’s Edge Taylor
          City Style Berkley
          Clarent Construction Redford
          Clarinet Closet Roosevelt Park
          Clarks Auto Burton
          Clark’s Ice Cream Berkley
          Classic Grooming Shelby Township
          The Cleaner Scene Mt. Clemens
          Cleaning Corners Battle Creek
          Clear Cuts Salon Detroit
          Clip and Style Grand Rapids
          Clippers Family Haircare Clinton Twp
          CLM Landscaping LLC Eaton Rapids
          The Clothes Exchange Fraser
          Cloverleaf Restaurant Ann Arbor
          Clyde’s Diner Kincheloe
          CNC Systems, Inc. Roseville
          Coaches Hair and Barbershop Detroit
          The Cobbler Shop Roseville
          Collected Works Ann Arbor
          Comics Video Games-N-Stuff Mt Clemens
          The Community Voice Grand Rapids l
          Computer Repair Mt.Pleasant
          Coney Girl Grand Rapids
          Coney Time Detroit
          Confident Wyoming
          Continental Auto Sales Burton
          Cook’s Signs Plus Shelby Township
          Coonan’s Irish Hub Bay City
          Core Healing Bodyworks Flint
          Coreys on Woodward Detroit
          Cosmic Creations Detroit
          Cottage at Lemson’s Landing Big Rapids
          Couture Hair and Nails Detroit
          Crafty Lady Trio Clinton Twp
          Craine Mediation Farmington Hills
          Crawford’s Southfield
          Creative Keepsakes Ceramics Chesterfield
          Creative Wellness Lansing
          Creme de la Creme Mount Pleasant
          Crowned Pastries Detroit
          Cruz Kitchen Saginaw
          CSN Tax Service Detroit
          Custom Bars Clinton Township
          Cut It Out Salon Detroit
          D&V Jamaican Seasonings Mt Clemens
          Dabakh Hair Braiding Detroit
          Daddy’s Pizza Sterling Heights
          Dallas Deli Wyoming
          Daniel’s Auto Sales, Inc. Clinton Twp
          Dave’s Shoe Repair Warren
          Dave’s Windshield Repair Jackson
          David Houston Salon Shelby Township
          David R. Zamler, DDS Royal Oak
          Decoroom Utica
          Dee’s Chair Detroit
          Dee Dee Family Dining Mt.Clemens
          Deanna Heath MSW Mount Pleasant
          Dee’s Place Detroit
          Defever Construction Big Rapids
          Delphine Handmade Ferndale
          Dependable Rain Lawn Sprinkler Co.
          Design Boys Sterling Heights
          Detroit Ink Ann Arbor
          Detroit Make Me Fierce Detroit
          Detroit Motor Apparel Royal Oak
          Detroit Motorcycle Center Line
          Devonshire Rugs Detroit
          Diamond Dot Market Clinton Twp
          Diana’s House of Fashion Shelby Twp
          Dis-n-Dat Detroit
          Diva’s Unique Fashion Boutique Detroit
          Divine Elegance Salon & Spa Burton
          Divine Intervention Detroit
          Divine Sound, LLC Ypsilanti
          Divine Tax Service
          Dixie Waterproofing Fenton
          D&J Pet Supply Saginaw
          DJW Services Computers Detroit
          DK Decorating Detroit
          DMP Performance Horses Holt
          Doc Legal LLC Southfield
          Dr. Dan’s PC Repair Roseville
          Doggie Spa and Play Care Marshall
          Dogue Detroit
          Dollar Deli Detroit
          Donato’s Custom Lures
          Donbos Printing Impressions Saginaw
          Donckers Marquette
          Donna’s Cutting Edge Kawkawlin
          Double Dragon Burton
          Duey’s Corner Vermontville
          Dukes Services Plumbing and Backflow Testing Highland
          D+V Designs Detroit
          Eastside Appliances Detroit
          Easy Living Cleaning Service Lansing
          Eby Dental Care Okemos
          Eddie’s Salon Sterling Heights
          Edyn’s Edge Montague
          Eilli Wear Fashion Grand Rapids
          Elder & Sage Grand Rapids
          Electric Tan Sterling Heights
          Elegant Saree Fashion Warren
          E.L.I.T.E. Lawn Care Saginaw
          Ellis Cleaning Company Lansing
          Elmo’s Main Street T-Shirts Ann Arbor
          El Sombrero Ltd. Lansing
          Emma’s Basement Boutique Mt.Pleasant
          Empire Signs Shelby Twp
          Empress New Hair Detroit
          Envy Nails Detroit
          Erin K Lenchner Studio Ferndale
          Everette Place Harper Woods
          Everyday Wines Marquette
          Everything Special Florist & Gifts Inc. Chesterfield
          Exclusive Barbershop Detroit
          Exclusive Cuts Barber Shop Detroit
          Expert Auto Service II Warren
          Express Care Detroit
          Express Mobile Computer & Laptop Repair Detroit
          EZ Glide Dance Studio & Elegance Romulus
          The Family Cuts and Fades Detroit
          Fashion for Less Detroit
          Fashion Jewelry Detroit
          The Fashion Place Detroit
          Fave Beauty Shop Detroit
          FC Hardwood Floors Warren
          Federal Paper & supply Co, Inc Flint
          Feed My Sheep Books, LLC Detroit
          Figueroa Consulting Huntington Woods
          Final Kut Detroit
          Finesse Liquor Store Warren
          Fink’s Butcher Shop Vicksburg
          Firenze Computer Center Line
          Fisherman’s net Inkster
          Fitness Coliseum Owosso
          Fix My PC Roseville
          Flavored Threads Screen Printing Lansing
          The Flint School of Therapeutic Massage Flint
          Floss Setters Hair Salon Detroit
          The Flour Uprising Mt. Pleasant
          The Found Sock Sterling Heights
          The Framers Workshop Rochester
          Fraser Agency Home Health Care Fraser
          Fraser Flowers & Gifts Fraser
          Fraser Hair Salon Fraser
          Fred’s Pizza Grand Rapids
          Freedom Network St Clair Shores
          Fresh 2 Def Cutz Barber & Beauty Salon Saginaw
          Fresh Digital Media Detroit
          From J. Loo to You Troy
          From the Root Hair Salon Detroit
          Front Page Deli Sterling Heights
          Frontline Marketing Sterling Heights
          Future Foundations Kalamazoo
          G&L Auto Sales Inc Roseville
          Gabriel’s Vacuum Sterling Heights
          Garage Band Music Utica
          Gary’s Pizzeria and Deli Auburn Hills
          Geeked Up Electronics Macomb/Fraser
          George’s Flower Shop Clinton Township
          George’s Salon Berkley
          GForce Computers Warren
          Glazed Impressions Berkley
          Global Enterprises Group St. Clair Shores
          Golden Bowl Detroit
          Golden Gate Cleaner Troy
          Good Peeple Consulting Detroit
          Gonzo Art Roseville
          The Good Feet Store Royal Oak
          Goods LLC Detroit
          Goodwells Natural Food Market Detroit
          Gordon Wetherell Construction Boon
          Gotcha Covered Party Rentals, LLC Mount
          Gracie See Pasta-Ria Inkster
          Great Lakes Embroidery Jenison
          Green Planet Extreme Adventures, LLC Mackinaw City
          Gregory’s Lansing
          Gregory, Moore, Jeakle and Brooks Detroit
          Growing Together
          The Growth Coach Saginaw Township
          Grove Electric Ishpeming
          Gumbo’s Mt. Clemens
          Hair Crush Detroit
          The Hair Factory Detroit
          Hair Plus Center St Clair Shores
          Hairs Inn Ypsilanti
          Hall of Fame Billiards Warren
          Hallmark Glass Fraser
          Halo Freight Expedition Haslet
          Hancheck Farms, LLC Wilson
          Hanna’s Fruit Market Sterling Heights
          Happy at Home
          Happy Endings Muskegon
          Happy Ogre Entertainment LLC Davison
          Harbortown Market Detroit
          Hardcharger LLC Detroit
          Harrison Chiropractic Center, P.C. Grand Rapids
          Hartland Flowers Inc. Hartland
          Harvest Kitchen Ypsilanti
          Hatch Trucking and Excavating Battle Creek
          Hats Galore & More Detroit
          Hay and O’Rourke PC Attorneys at Law Lansing
          Haynor Educational Services Newaygo
          Head N Sole Barber Shop and Shoe Repair Grand Rapids
          Heaney Plumbing & Heating Detroit
          Hear You Go Audio Books Lansing
          Heath Shoe Repair Mt.Pleasant
          Henriksen’s Driving Range Shelby Twp
          Here to There Consulting Huntington Woods
          Heritage Optical Detroit
          Heritage Vision Plans Detroit
          The Hilla Law Firm, PLLC Lathrup Village
          Hillcrest Market Clinton Twp
          Hills Trophies Unlimited Reese
          Hinesman’s Furniture and Appliances Hudson
          Hippies Pizza Royal Oak
          Hoffman’s Deco Deli and Café Flint
          Hollywood Coney Island Detroit
          Hollywood Fashions Grand rapids
          Home Video Studio Shelby Twp
          Homes by Caskey Big Rapids
          Honee Bee Donuts Center Line
          Hope’s Chest Berkley
          Horizon Heating/Cooling Saginaw
          Hour Glass Galleria LLC Detroit
          House Effects Grand Rapids
          House of Yoga Berkley
          H-Tech Burton
          Huckleberry’s Greenville
          Hunter Prell Co Battle Creek
          Hypknotica Ferndale

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          That list is a phony list…deception:

          Total BS – many of the businesses on this list were NEVER asked about supporting Proposal 2: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17877 Typical of people like you. Remember you said that Romney was a polygamist. He’s not. You lied. You are dishonest.

          Here’s the truth, from former WOOD reporter, Anne Schieber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvnH_VFz1s

          Her report shows the truth about this phony list of “businesses” that bigDaddy and his fellow liars are trying to fool you with.

          Call a business on this list and see if they are indeed supporting Proposal 2 – many of them will tell you that they didn’t agree to be put on that list.

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          More corporate shenanigans. These businesses are on here BECAUSE they support PROP 2! It would be highly illegal to publish this list otherwise. You’re lying again because the overwhelming support of SO MANY is damning to your argument, but the fact is The PTA, Bill Clinton, hundreds of businesses and churches, and more than 700,000 people who signed the petition support PROP 2!!!!

          Join the rest of Michigan’s middle class and support our right to bargain for a fair wage and working conditions.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2 FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        11. Paul says:

          OUR EDUCATORS DON’T WANT THIS MONEY GRAB FROM THE UNION BOSSES. http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/michigan_decides_2012_educator.html

          VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          Hundreds of Michigan businesses have pledged support! So has the PTA! Why should we care what a millionaire-run newspaper thinks?

          34th Street Mall Wyoming
          A1 Mechanics Towing & Repair Roseville
          A&A Auto Service Royal Oak
          A&B Outlet Grand rapids
          ABASS African Hair Braiding Detroit
          Abba Gifts Temperance
          ABC Cleaning Services Rockford
          The Accessories Shop Royal Oak
          A.C. Beauty Burton
          ACME Safety Council Grand Rapids
          Action Auto Parts Sterling Heights
          Adam and Son Design Company, Inc. Fraser
          Adorable Diaper Creation Detroit
          Advanced Construction Technology Marshall
          Advanced Laser Graphics Howell
          Advanced Screenprinting Sterling Heights
          Advantage Billing Grand Rapids
          African Fabric and Fashion Detroit
          The Aha Gallery Au Gres
          AJ’s cuts Detroit
          Akashic Corner, Inc. Roseville
          Alliance Trucking and Transport Detroit
          Allied Hearing Mount Pleasant
          All Star Sports Bar Burton
          Al’s Body Shop Ironwoood
          America’s Dream Realty Lansing
          America’s Stamp Stop Berkley
          Ambiance Ultra Lounge Detroit
          American Income Life Traverse City
          American Travel LLC Sterling Heights
          Amy Wig Beauty Supply Detroit
          Amygdala Naturals Rockford
          Anchor Bay Bicycle & Fitness Chesterfield
          Andary’s Grill Eastpointe
          Anderson Excavating Rapid River
          Andre’s Tailoring and Alterations Lansing
          Andrew’s on the Corner Detroit
          Ann Arbor Solex Ann Arbor
          Anointed & Talented Nails Detroit
          Ann Perry & Partners Pleasant Ridge
          Anthony B’s Clinton Twp
          Apollo Lanes Roseville
          Appliance Wholesale Service and Outlet, LLC Warren
          APS Cleaning Service Clinton Twp
          Ardis Music Mt. Clemens
          Argos Book Shop Grand Rapids
          Art Girl Creative Works Royal Oak
          Art in Bloom Brighton
          Art of Rugs Detroit
          Arts Barber Shop Fraser
          At Will Tattoo Warren
          Athen’s Liquor Store
          Atrium Cafe & Ice Cream Parlour
          Attentive Care Companions Grand Rapids
          Audio Unlimited Flint
          Authentic Barber Shop Detroit
          Auto Brite Auto Sales Mt. Clemens
          Auto Max Plus Mt. Clemens
          Auto Medics of Shelby Shelby Twp.
          The Avenue Cafe Lansing
          The Avenue Hair Salon Mt. Clemens
          Award and Sports Saginaw
          B&D Mini Mart Munger
          B&J Inflatables Saginaw
          Backstreet Cycle and Machine Ironwood
          Badland Strategies Kalamazoo
          Bagel and Bites Brighton
          Bagel Factory Cafe Troy
          Bagel Time & Donut Station Sterling Heights
          Bara Braiding Detroit
          The Barka Lounge Shelby Township
          Barnard Building & Construction Kalamazoo
          Barnes Agency Kinross
          Barnes Law Firm, PLLC Spring Lake
          Barry and Company Wyandotte
          Barter Town Grand Rapids
          Baseline Feed Warren
          Bayard Art and Frame Grand Rapids
          BC Stone Pizzeria Roseville
          Beach Front Hotel Houghton Lake
          Beat Goes On Grand Rapids
          Beatnius/mixstreet Grand Rapids
          Beauty Box Salon Lansing
          Before & After Lansing
          Before & After Utica
          Benesys, Inc.
          Bentley’s Pizza & Sub Shop Grand Rapids
          The Berkley Book Corner Berkley
          Berkley Chop Shop Berkley
          Berkley Shoe Repair Berkley
          Best N Detroit Laundromat Detroit
          Big Boss Detroit
          Big D’s Diner Pickford
          Big Sky Diner Ypsilanti
          Big Ugly Fish Saginaw
          Bill Williams Trucking Birch Run
          Bindu African Hair Detroit
          Binge’s Auto Repair Clinton Township
          BJ Designs Saginaw
          Blackrock’s Brewery Marquette
          Blake’s Lawn Care Idlewild
          Blank & Blvd. Ann Arbor
          Bleakley Law Offices Muskegon
          Blissful Finds and Treasures Saranac
          Bliss Sweet Shoppe Commerce
          Blissful Finds and Treasures Saranac
          Blohm Creative Partners East Lansing
          Blue City Transportation North Shores
          Blue Consulting
          Blue Print Financial Grandville
          Booked for the Season Muskegon
          The Book Garden Mt.Pleasant
          Book Shelf Mt.Pleasant
          Books + Plus Mount Pleasant
          Boot-Rite Computer Solutions Sterling Heights
          Borcho’s Hi Tech Auto Repair, Inc Warren
          Bosna Express Wyoming
          Bostaan Warren
          BNB Oil Change Warren
          Bourne Again Treasures Sterling Heights
          Brenner Landscaping Farmington Hills
          Brian Kainulainen Photography Scottville
          Bride To be Video Monroe
          Bridgefort, Inc. Detroit
          Britten Designs Wyoming
          BRL Development Corp. Keewadin
          Brunswick Public House Roseville
          Bryan Jones Construction, Inc Mason
          Buckley’s Mountainside Canoes Mt. Pleasant
          Burgess Strategic Marketing Services Troy
          Burns Realty Ann Arbor
          Burton Auto & Tire Center Burton
          Butler’s Collision Roseville
          Buttercream Bakeshop Wixom
          Butter Nut Bakery Center Line
          Buzz Barber Shop Detroit
          C. Charles Hahn Automotive Appearance Specialist Lansing
          Cafe Ambrosia Ann Arbor
          Cafe Con Leche Detroit
          Cake Luv Southfield cakeluvonwheels.com
          Cake N’ Coffee Grand Rapids
          Campbell Liquor Store Royal Oak
          Capitol Fundraising Associates Lansing
          Car Guys Auto Center Fraser
          Carlo’s Pizza Wyoming
          Carl’s Boats & Motors St. Clair Shores
          Carol M. Hogan, Attorney and Counselor at Law Warren
          Carol’s Catering Grand Rapids
          Carpet Specialists Ishpeming
          Cascarelli’s Pizza Homer
          Cathy’s Best Value Warren
          Celia’s Corner Cafe Owosso
          Celtic Sisters Candles & Candies New Baltimore
          Center Stage Family Hair Care Saginaw
          Chantelle Jewelers Madison Heights
          Charlar Place Holt
          Chapel of the Chimes Funeral Home Westland
          Charlie’s Auto & Truck Port Huron
          Chesaning Nursing Care Chesaning
          Chic Salon Marquette
          Child Star Development Center Detroit
          China Palace Wyoming
          Chiro Plus Inc. Chesterfield
          The Chocolate Buzz Traverse City
          Chocolate Moose Catering & More Jackson
          Chris Awesome Cuts Detroit
          Cisco Len Inc.
          City’s Edge Taylor
          City Style Berkley
          Clarent Construction Redford
          Clarinet Closet Roosevelt Park
          Clarks Auto Burton
          Clark’s Ice Cream Berkley
          Classic Grooming Shelby Township
          The Cleaner Scene Mt. Clemens
          Cleaning Corners Battle Creek
          Clear Cuts Salon Detroit
          Clip and Style Grand Rapids
          Clippers Family Haircare Clinton Twp
          CLM Landscaping LLC Eaton Rapids
          The Clothes Exchange Fraser
          Cloverleaf Restaurant Ann Arbor
          Clyde’s Diner Kincheloe
          CNC Systems, Inc. Roseville
          Coaches Hair and Barbershop Detroit
          The Cobbler Shop Roseville
          Collected Works Ann Arbor
          Comics Video Games-N-Stuff Mt Clemens
          The Community Voice Grand Rapids l
          Computer Repair Mt.Pleasant
          Coney Girl Grand Rapids
          Coney Time Detroit
          Confident Wyoming
          Continental Auto Sales Burton
          Cook’s Signs Plus Shelby Township
          Coonan’s Irish Hub Bay City
          Core Healing Bodyworks Flint
          Coreys on Woodward Detroit
          Cosmic Creations Detroit
          Cottage at Lemson’s Landing Big Rapids
          Couture Hair and Nails Detroit
          Crafty Lady Trio Clinton Twp
          Craine Mediation Farmington Hills
          Crawford’s Southfield
          Creative Keepsakes Ceramics Chesterfield
          Creative Wellness Lansing
          Creme de la Creme Mount Pleasant
          Crowned Pastries Detroit
          Cruz Kitchen Saginaw
          CSN Tax Service Detroit
          Custom Bars Clinton Township
          Cut It Out Salon Detroit
          D&V Jamaican Seasonings Mt Clemens
          Dabakh Hair Braiding Detroit
          Daddy’s Pizza Sterling Heights
          Dallas Deli Wyoming
          Daniel’s Auto Sales, Inc. Clinton Twp
          Dave’s Shoe Repair Warren
          Dave’s Windshield Repair Jackson
          David Houston Salon Shelby Township
          David R. Zamler, DDS Royal Oak
          Decoroom Utica
          Dee’s Chair Detroit
          Dee Dee Family Dining Mt.Clemens
          Deanna Heath MSW Mount Pleasant
          Dee’s Place Detroit
          Defever Construction Big Rapids
          Delphine Handmade Ferndale
          Dependable Rain Lawn Sprinkler Co.
          Design Boys Sterling Heights
          Detroit Ink Ann Arbor
          Detroit Make Me Fierce Detroit
          Detroit Motor Apparel Royal Oak
          Detroit Motorcycle Center Line
          Devonshire Rugs Detroit
          Diamond Dot Market Clinton Twp
          Diana’s House of Fashion Shelby Twp
          Dis-n-Dat Detroit
          Diva’s Unique Fashion Boutique Detroit
          Divine Elegance Salon & Spa Burton
          Divine Intervention Detroit
          Divine Sound, LLC Ypsilanti
          Divine Tax Service
          Dixie Waterproofing Fenton
          D&J Pet Supply Saginaw
          DJW Services Computers Detroit
          DK Decorating Detroit
          DMP Performance Horses Holt
          Doc Legal LLC Southfield
          Dr. Dan’s PC Repair Roseville
          Doggie Spa and Play Care Marshall
          Dogue Detroit
          Dollar Deli Detroit
          Donato’s Custom Lures
          Donbos Printing Impressions Saginaw
          Donckers Marquette
          Donna’s Cutting Edge Kawkawlin
          Double Dragon Burton
          Duey’s Corner Vermontville
          Dukes Services Plumbing and Backflow Testing Highland
          D+V Designs Detroit
          Eastside Appliances Detroit
          Easy Living Cleaning Service Lansing
          Eby Dental Care Okemos
          Eddie’s Salon Sterling Heights
          Edyn’s Edge Montague
          Eilli Wear Fashion Grand Rapids
          Elder & Sage Grand Rapids
          Electric Tan Sterling Heights
          Elegant Saree Fashion Warren
          E.L.I.T.E. Lawn Care Saginaw
          Ellis Cleaning Company Lansing
          Elmo’s Main Street T-Shirts Ann Arbor
          El Sombrero Ltd. Lansing
          Emma’s Basement Boutique Mt.Pleasant
          Empire Signs Shelby Twp
          Empress New Hair Detroit
          Envy Nails Detroit
          Erin K Lenchner Studio Ferndale
          Everette Place Harper Woods
          Everyday Wines Marquette
          Everything Special Florist & Gifts Inc. Chesterfield
          Exclusive Barbershop Detroit
          Exclusive Cuts Barber Shop Detroit
          Expert Auto Service II Warren
          Express Care Detroit
          Express Mobile Computer & Laptop Repair Detroit
          EZ Glide Dance Studio & Elegance Romulus
          The Family Cuts and Fades Detroit
          Fashion for Less Detroit
          Fashion Jewelry Detroit
          The Fashion Place Detroit
          Fave Beauty Shop Detroit
          FC Hardwood Floors Warren
          Federal Paper & supply Co, Inc Flint
          Feed My Sheep Books, LLC Detroit
          Figueroa Consulting Huntington Woods
          Final Kut Detroit
          Finesse Liquor Store Warren
          Fink’s Butcher Shop Vicksburg
          Firenze Computer Center Line
          Fisherman’s net Inkster
          Fitness Coliseum Owosso
          Fix My PC Roseville
          Flavored Threads Screen Printing Lansing
          The Flint School of Therapeutic Massage Flint
          Floss Setters Hair Salon Detroit
          The Flour Uprising Mt. Pleasant
          The Found Sock Sterling Heights
          The Framers Workshop Rochester
          Fraser Agency Home Health Care Fraser
          Fraser Flowers & Gifts Fraser
          Fraser Hair Salon Fraser
          Fred’s Pizza Grand Rapids
          Freedom Network St Clair Shores
          Fresh 2 Def Cutz Barber & Beauty Salon Saginaw
          Fresh Digital Media Detroit
          From J. Loo to You Troy
          From the Root Hair Salon Detroit
          Front Page Deli Sterling Heights
          Frontline Marketing Sterling Heights
          Future Foundations Kalamazoo
          G&L Auto Sales Inc Roseville
          Gabriel’s Vacuum Sterling Heights
          Garage Band Music Utica
          Gary’s Pizzeria and Deli Auburn Hills
          Geeked Up Electronics Macomb/Fraser
          George’s Flower Shop Clinton Township
          George’s Salon Berkley
          GForce Computers Warren
          Glazed Impressions Berkley
          Global Enterprises Group St. Clair Shores
          Golden Bowl Detroit
          Golden Gate Cleaner Troy
          Good Peeple Consulting Detroit
          Gonzo Art Roseville
          The Good Feet Store Royal Oak
          Goods LLC Detroit
          Goodwells Natural Food Market Detroit
          Gordon Wetherell Construction Boon
          Gotcha Covered Party Rentals, LLC Mount
          Gracie See Pasta-Ria Inkster
          Great Lakes Embroidery Jenison
          Green Planet Extreme Adventures, LLC Mackinaw City
          Gregory’s Lansing
          Gregory, Moore, Jeakle and Brooks Detroit
          Growing Together
          The Growth Coach Saginaw Township
          Grove Electric Ishpeming
          Gumbo’s Mt. Clemens
          Hair Crush Detroit
          The Hair Factory Detroit
          Hair Plus Center St Clair Shores
          Hairs Inn Ypsilanti
          Hall of Fame Billiards Warren
          Hallmark Glass Fraser
          Halo Freight Expedition Haslet
          Hancheck Farms, LLC Wilson
          Hanna’s Fruit Market Sterling Heights
          Happy at Home
          Happy Endings Muskegon
          Happy Ogre Entertainment LLC Davison
          Harbortown Market Detroit
          Hardcharger LLC Detroit
          Harrison Chiropractic Center, P.C. Grand Rapids
          Hartland Flowers Inc. Hartland
          Harvest Kitchen Ypsilanti
          Hatch Trucking and Excavating Battle Creek
          Hats Galore & More Detroit
          Hay and O’Rourke PC Attorneys at Law Lansing
          Haynor Educational Services Newaygo
          Head N Sole Barber Shop and Shoe Repair Grand Rapids
          Heaney Plumbing & Heating Detroit
          Hear You Go Audio Books Lansing
          Heath Shoe Repair Mt.Pleasant
          Henriksen’s Driving Range Shelby Twp
          Here to There Consulting Huntington Woods
          Heritage Optical Detroit
          Heritage Vision Plans Detroit
          The Hilla Law Firm, PLLC Lathrup Village
          Hillcrest Market Clinton Twp
          Hills Trophies Unlimited Reese
          Hinesman’s Furniture and Appliances Hudson
          Hippies Pizza Royal Oak
          Hoffman’s Deco Deli and Café Flint
          Hollywood Coney Island Detroit
          Hollywood Fashions Grand rapids
          Home Video Studio Shelby Twp
          Homes by Caskey Big Rapids
          Honee Bee Donuts Center Line
          Hope’s Chest Berkley
          Horizon Heating/Cooling Saginaw
          Hour Glass Galleria LLC Detroit
          House Effects Grand Rapids
          House of Yoga Berkley
          H-Tech Burton
          Huckleberry’s Greenville
          Hunter Prell Co Battle Creek
          Hypknotica Ferndale

          JOIN SMALL BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STATE!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          That list BigD is pushing is a phony list…deception:

          Total BS – many of the businesses on this list were NEVER asked about supporting Proposal 2: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17877 Typical of people like you. Remember you said that Romney was a polygamist. He’s not. You lied. You are dishonest.

          Here’s the truth, from former WOOD reporter, Anne Schieber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvnH_VFz1s

          Her report shows the truth about this phony list of “businesses” that bigDaddy and his fellow liars are trying to fool you with.

          Call a business on this list and see if they are indeed supporting Proposal 2 – many of them will tell you that they didn’t agree to be put on that list.

    2. michael g (SE GR) says:

      I think you’re right about him winning. About the total economic collapse, if we keep spending a trillion dollars a year more than we bring in, we haven’t seen ANYTHING yet. Be careful what you wish for.

    3. Kevin says:

      Yup….the Volt is a BIG winner…

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/10/us-generalmotors-autos-volt-idUSBRE88904J20120910

        The average buyer of a Volt has an income of $165,000…so the $7,500 taxpayer bonus (soon to be $10K) for buying one is really a subsidy for the rich. Some people love them (though I bet most of those have a second, conventional car) and some don’t, but the car should stand on its merits. The government shouldn’t be subsidizing a single car just like it shouldn’t be subsidizing one TV station.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Hardly a concern during this election cycle. What is a concern is Lansing’s attack on labor and the middle class’ last chance at a constitutional safegard. Join the thousands that signed the petition, the PTA, and thousands of churches and small businesses that support PROP 2!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        2. Paul says:

          PROP 2 STEALS MONEY FROM YOUR CHILDREN, SHAME ON THE UNION BOSSES. http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/michigan_decides_2012_educator.html

          VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Absolutely, Paul! Great question. Why would so many people of faith support PROP 2 if it would hurt children or families.

          They wouldn’t and aren’t! A vote for PROP 2 is a vote for working families because it protects us against power hungry politicians like Snyder!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          That’s right, Paul!! I agree!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/straw-poll-shows-prop-2-with-a-lead-after-heavy-morning-voter-turnout/

  10. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Weather you say? Not too bad outside. I think I will head out to the golf course and get in 18 holes. It is a little chilly, however light winds. Get out and enjoy the weather people!! I still have about 4 weeks of golf weather left than we can get it on with 100 inches of SNOW!!!!!!

    1. Steelie says:

      Good Day,

      Indeed. Have fun on the links!

      SSteelie

  11. Cort S. says:

    Sandy by the numbers: trying to comprehend a stunning disaster
    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2284

    Moderate-strength Nor’easter may hit Sandy-devastated areas Wednesday
    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2285

  12. Mindy says:

    YOU ROCK BIG DADDY !!!!!! Vote YES on Prop 2 !!!!!!

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Battle Creek Enquirer- Vote NO on Proposal 2

      “Proposal 2’s far-reaching effects would cripple Michigan’s ability to address its financial crisis and could force steep reductions in public services to pay for legacy costs covered by collective bargaining agreements.”

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        That’s only true if we believe the answer to our financial crisis is to steal wages and benefits from the middle class to pay the bill for Lansing’s millionaire tax breaks. Your media moguls can make as many claims as they want, but we know the truth. PROP 2 does nothing new, except protect our right to bargain for a fair wage and working conditions. To say otherwise is a lie.

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
        VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          The Detroit Free Press editorial page on Sunday said voters should vote “no” on Proposal 2.

          In response, the unions behind Proposal 2 called out Henderson and said they were not given a chance to meet with the Free Press editorial board, a claim Henderson vehemently denies.

          The disagreement highlights the difficulty Proposal 2 is having even getting traditional union allies to sign on. Phil Power, chairman of Center for Michigan and former University of Michigan DEMOCRAT Regent, wrote Oct. 23 that HE was against Proposal 2. The Detroit News, Lansing State Journal, Midland Daily News and almost every prominent newspaper in the state that has taken a position has editorialized AGAINST the amendment proposal.

          Henderson went public with the dispute Oct. 22 when he posted on the Detroit Free Press Facebook wall that he was worried by what he said were disingenuous tactics of the “Protect Working Families” group.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Why should we care what the corporate media thinks about our rights?! Give us a break. What matters is the support of organizations that matter like the PTA!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          That’s right, Paul!! I agree!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          What is a concern is Lansing’s attack on labor and the middle class’ last chance at a constitutional safegard. Join the thousands that signed the petition, the PTA, and thousands of churches and small businesses that support PROP 2!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/straw-poll-shows-prop-2-with-a-lead-after-heavy-morning-voter-turnout/

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s what M-Live says about Proposal 2: “State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

          A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection.”

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Thanks, MINDY!!!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/10/law_enforcement_leaders_opposi.html

        “It is our job to protect Michiganders but Proposal 2 would tie our hands,” Ionia County Sheriff Dwain Dennis said in a release. “Take it from me—Proposal 2 is dangerous.”

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Obviously Sheriff Dennis doesn’t give two shakes about the rights of the men who work under him. What a shame that this conservative Sheriff can’t get past partisan politics to support his troopers.

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!

        VOTE YES FOR OUR OFFICERS!!

        http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          That’s right, Paul!! I agree!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          What is a concern is Lansing’s attack on labor and the middle class’ last chance at a constitutional safegard. Join the thousands that signed the petition, the PTA, and thousands of churches and small businesses that support PROP 2!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/straw-poll-shows-prop-2-with-a-lead-after-heavy-morning-voter-turnout/

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          The Detroit Free Press on Proposal 2:

          “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive.”

  13. pat says:

    It never fails whenever i want to bring up a topic about weather the discussion goes elsewhere. It must be because i point out the drastic changes that go unnoticed in long range outlook.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The thread has nothing to do with politics. Just like those annoying robo-calls, the thread gets interrupted by someone who doesn’t respect the rest of us who want to talk about weather. You can see what happened on this thread. It’s someone who’s arrogant and has no respect for others…someone who doesn’t listen…someone who loves the sound of his own voice (or in this case keyboard). They know they don’t win converts…they’re just hear to disrupt. It won’t work. Note:

      “The Free Press poll showed Proposal 2 to be losing by four points (42% to 46%), within the poll’s 4.4% margin of error. The Detroit News, in contrast, reported a clear majority against the initiative (36.3% to 52.5%).”

      The polls are moving against tampering with the Constitution. I think Proposal 1 passes (it’s the opposite of the rest…a yes vote is no change) and the rest are soundly rejected.

      1. Jack says:

        Thank- You Bill : WELL PUT !!! ;-)

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I hope Bill doesn’t back up. Jack might suffocate.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Holland Sentinel- Prop 2 Comes with Too Much Unwanted Baggage

          “Proposal 2, the collective bargaining initiative on the state ballot, is an excellent illustration of the pitfalls of trying to legislate through the ballot box.

          “The measure comes with hidden and unpredictable side effects that aren’t enumerated in the ballot language and could have significant financial consequences for school districts and local governments. “

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          It’s funny that the right is claiming that ‘unknown’ consequences may occur if labor is protected, but they don’t want to say what that might be. I think I know. It’ll stop them from using our wages and benefits to give bonuses to CEOs.

          RIGHT IS RIGHT!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          PROTECT WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Shiverin’ Snowman! Even the socialists are against Proposal 2: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/prop-o24.shtml

          “In the name of defending collective bargaining rights, the United Auto Workers (UAW) and the AFL-CIO are promoting a ballot initiative in the November 6 election that would add language to the Michigan Constitution explicitly acknowledging the right of the state and localities to restrict or ban strikes by public employees.

          The initiative also bars the state and local governments from interfering with the flow of membership dues to the union bureaucracy.

          The so-called “Michigan Protect Our Jobs Amendment,” which appears on the statewide ballot as Proposal 2, is an act of political skulduggery by the UAW and the AFL-CIO. The only concern of the union officials is to put in place a legally binding defense of their dues income, to be secured by assisting the state in stripping workers of the right to strike and fight collectively in defense of their interests.

          MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

          Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

          Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

          Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

          Proposal 4, home health care: No

          Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

          Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          And why should the state be able to get their hands on workers’ dues? Are you even reading what you’re writing!!

          OF COURSE IT BANS THE STATE FROM STEALING FROM THE UNIONS! OF COURSE IT BANS THE STATE FROM INTERFERING WITH HOW WORKERS CHOOSE TO RUN THEIR UNION! Keep Lansing out of our business! You’re making our point for us.

          PROP 2 does nothing more than keep Lansing from fleecing the middle class any further! It protects our right to bargain for a fair wage and benefits!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

          BTW, your support of the racist PROP 1 EM initiative must be embarrassing for your family.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Proposal 4 doesn’t even let health care workers vote on if they want to join the union. They just confiscate hundreds of dollars in dues for nothing. The union won’t help them. Most of them are taking care of a friend or family member. What are they going to do? Go on strike and stop taking care of grandma? It’s a scam. The “middle class” is going to soundly reject this power and money grab. Here’s the M-Live media group on Proposal 2:

          “State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

          A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection.”

          Not a single major newspaper endorses Proposal 2. They are ALL against it. Note what M-Live says: “A NO VOTE IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEP MICHIGAN COMPETITIVE FOR JOBS!!”

          M-Live and my friends say about the proposals: Vote YES on Proposal One and NO on the rest of the proposals!

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          That wasn’t MLIVE. It was an ‘unkown’ author in an op-ed piece. It was written by the opposition. To say it was MLIVE’s opinion is another lie. Besides, why should we care what these corporations think about workers’ rights? What we should care about is the fact that PROP 2 is endorsed by Bill Clinton AND the PTA, not to mention countless businesses and churches across the state. The only ones who want this to fail are those who stand to make financial gains in a unionless Michigan. Shame on you for siding with CEOs and millionaires over your viewers. Shame.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES ON TWO FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        8. Paul says:

          PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR TEACHERS, VOTE NO ON PROP 2!

          http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/michigan_decides_2012_educator.html

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          That’s right, Paul!! I agree!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

          What is a concern is Lansing’s attack on labor and the middle class’ last chance at a constitutional safegard. Join the thousands that signed the petition, the PTA, and thousands of churches and small businesses that support PROP 2!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/straw-poll-shows-prop-2-with-a-lead-after-heavy-morning-voter-turnout/

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Leading newspapers across the state in 100% agreement. Vote “no” on Proposal 2: http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/mlive_media_group_vote_no_on_p.html

      2. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

        they’re just hear to disrupt. It won’t work. Note: just (here)

  14. Scott (west olive) says:

    I don’t work for the govt (well, we all do I guess) and we don’t have a Union where I work, so why should I vote yes on 2? If this passed for example, when the power companies go to Lansing get approval to raise their rates to an even more rediculous rate than they are now, would a yes vote allow them to bypass that process? Not sure if that is how it works, only thing I could think of. Right now my only thought is if Big D BC gives it a yes I’ll go with a no. Prob protects a GW iniciative in the fine print somewhere. Lol

  15. big Daddy BC says:

    Michigan is the labor state. Losing our right to assemble and bargain a fair wage and benefits would send us back to the ’20s when CEOs made all the rules. Student scores will go down and graduation rates will decrease. Unions are good for kids, period.

    “Of the ten states in the US without teachers’ unions, only one — Virginia — had NAEP results above the national average, and four — Arizona, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi — were in the bottom quintile. (One scholar, in fact, found that the states with the strongest teachers unions tended to out-perform states with weaker unions too.)”

    “three professors writing in the Harvard Educational Review did a statistical analysis of state SAT/ACT scores, controlling for factors like race, median income, and parental education. They found that the presence of teachers unions in a state did have a measurable and significant correlation with increased test scores — that going to school in a union state would, for instance, raise average SATs by about 50 points.

    Two other findings leap out from the Harvard Educational Review study. First, they concluded that Southern states’ poor academic performance could be explained almost entirely by that region’s lack of unionization, even when you didn’t take socioeconomic differences into account.”

    http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/21/teachers-unions-actsat-and-student-performance-is-wisconsin-out-ranking-the-non-union-states/

    Unions are GOOD for our state. They bring up wages. They improve our schools. They insure our workers have safe equipment and working conditions!

    VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
    VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one single newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        The Parent Teacher Association supports Prop 2.

        They carries a heck of a lot more weight than your handful of millionaire-owned newspapers!

        “When teachers have the right to collectively bargain, they use their voice to fight for what’s right for our school children,” said Michigan PTA President Shaton Berry. “Teachers bargain for training, smaller class sizes, and the materials they need to keep kids safe and to improve educational outcomes. As the voice of parents across our state, we support collective bargaining.”

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
        VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!
        http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Thursday, November 1st, 2012

          Detroit Free Press

          The impulse to sew collective bargaining rights into the state Constitution might be acceptable if it stopped at that. Few other state constitutions contain generic nods to the inalienable rights of workers. But Proposal 2 goes much, much further than what’s in those other state constitutions. It would invalidate 170 existing Michigan laws that place any conditions or limitations on collective bargaining, and it would preclude state legislators from setting any future limits on what can or cannot be bargained.

          Vote NO on Proposal 2

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          People of faith are lining up behind PROP 2 because it’s morally right to protect the middle class from a bought-and-paid-for legislature that’s dismantling labor bill by bill by bill. PROP 2 is the middle class attempting to protect itself. If PROP 2 fails, the legislature will pass right-to-work (for less) legislation in December and cripple every union our state.

          Check out this list of clergy are pledging support for Michigan’s labor force! They’ve also been joined by the PTA!

          Pastor George Adam After Christ
          Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
          Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
          Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
          Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
          Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
          Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
          Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
          Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
          Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
          Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
          Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
          Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
          Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
          Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
          Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
          Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
          Juan Escoreno MOSES
          Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
          Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
          Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
          Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
          Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
          Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
          Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
          Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
          Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
          Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
          Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
          Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
          Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
          Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
          Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
          Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
          Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
          Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
          Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
          Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
          Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
          Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
          Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
          Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
          Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
          Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
          Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
          Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
          Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
          Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
          Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
          Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
          Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
          Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
          Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
          Pastor M. J. Reed The River
          Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
          Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
          Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
          Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
          Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
          Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
          Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
          Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
          Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
          Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
          Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
          Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
          Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
          Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
          Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
          Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
          Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
          Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
          K. Yarber Mount hermon

          VOTE WITH THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH! VOTE YES FOR FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s what the Grand Rapids Press says about Proposal 2:

          “State ballot Proposal 2 promotes an over-reaching solution to a non-existent problem, and one that in turn would clamp untold shackles on a state that is rebuilding its economy.

          A “no” vote is essential to keep Michigan competitive for jobs and investment. Don’t believe ads that have been telling you that this proposal is about preserving public safety or protecting the quality of education. That’s a blatant misdirection…”

          This is what my astute friends say about the proposals:

          “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest!”

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Your astute friend supports a racist PROP! What the middle class needs is LESS of Lansing, not more! We don’t need overseers in black communities selling off their property. The Emergency Manager Bill that Snyder signed put him and him alone in charge. So far he’s only taken over black communities!!!

          This is the bill you want to support? And not only that, you also want to tell the world how astute your friend is for not wanting to support Michigan’s middle class! We’re your viewers, Bill, not your wealthy friends!

          VOTE YES FOR PROP 2!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Minorities have ASKED for the Emergency Managers: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/muskegon-heights-school-district-emergency-manager_n_1349748.html

          Benton Harbor pastors support the Emergency Manager: http://articles.wsbt.com/2011-04-28/benton-harbor_29485035

          “It could also be argued, however, that a threat to democracy occurs when local elected officials fail to manage at a minimally acceptable level, fail to be adequate stewards of the public trust, and fail to avoid a financial emergency.” — Memorandum from the Citizens Research Council of Michigan, September 2012

          Newspapers are united, they say, vote YES on Proposal 1 and NO on the rest of the proposals:

          MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

          Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

          Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

          Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

          Proposal 4, home health care: No

          Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

          Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          There are no black people asking for a white overseer like Snyder to take over their community, sell off their public lands, fire their elected officials, and cancel all their contracts. Is that what you and your rich friends tell each other down at the country club?

          Get real. PROP 1 is racist and WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!

          VOTE NO ON PROP 1!!!
          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          Paul, Paul, Paul. You’re an idiot. Pay no attention to the drooling sycophant in the corner with his hands in his pocket. His opinion was given to him.

          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!
          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/straw-poll-shows-prop-2-with-a-lead-after-heavy-morning-voter-turnout/

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          The liberal Detroit Free Press on Proposal 2: Proposal 2: Vote ‘NO’

          As rich as Michigan’s collective bargaining history is, and as much as the Free Press supports unions and unionization, there is just no good reason to inculcate this policy issue into the state Constitution. Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction. Proposal 2 would also make a constitutional right out of a policy prerogative, further muddying up a constitution that already addresses too many inappropriate issues. Proponents say Proposal 2 is needed to protect workers’ bargaining rights. But those rights are already guaranteed by both federal and state law. Proposal 2 would hand a permanent advantage to the unions in the bargaining process, something that ought to be subject to discussion and negotiation through the legislative process.

  16. Cort S. says:

    Politics on a weather blog is as self-perpetuating as cyclogenesis itself…

    1. Steelie says:

      Good Day,

      Gave me a giggle… ;-)

      Steelie

  17. Scott (west olive) says:

    Teachers negotiate now, so what’s the difference if it fails? You can bargin all you want but if the state won’t provide the money for a raise what good is a union? Big D must work for the education system.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Great point, Scott. PROP 2 will have no affect on what the state gives to schools. It won’t mandate anything to any employer, only guarantee that workers can join together and bargain with their boss for a fair wage and working conditions. Ask any union employee, working in a union is a heck of lot better than not. But what people don’t get is that unions bring wages and benefits up for the entire labor force. Unions created the middle class in the 40s and 50s. If we allow Lansing to dismantle them now, that divide that’s widened between the rich and poor will only grow larger.

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!
      VOTE YES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        From the Battle Creek Enquirer:

        “Proposal 2’s far-reaching effects would cripple Michigan’s ability to address its financial crisis and could force steep reductions in public services to pay for legacy costs covered by collective bargaining agreements.”

        My friends say – just remember this slogan about the proposals: “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        PROP 1 in racist! PROP 1 gives Snyder the continued right to act as overseer over black communities. He fires the elected officials, sells off public lands, and breaks constitutionally protected, legally binding contracts!

        Your astute friend supports a racist proposition. :(

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Minorities have ASKED for Emergency managers: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/muskegon-heights-school-district-emergency-manager_n_1349748.html

          Benton Harbor pastors support the Emergency Manager: http://articles.wsbt.com/2011-04-28/benton-harbor_29485035

          “It could also be argued, however, that a threat to democracy occurs when local elected officials fail to manage at a minimally acceptable level, fail to be adequate stewards of the public trust, and fail to avoid a financial emergency.” — Memorandum from the Citizens Research Council of Michigan, September 2012

          Newspapers say, vote YES on Proposal 1 and NO on the rest of the proposals:

          MLIVE MEDIA GROUP ON STATE PROPOSALS:

          Proposal 1, emergency financial manager: Yes

          Proposal 2, collective bargaining: No

          Proposal 3, renewable energy standards: No

          Proposal 4, home health care: No

          Proposal 5, super majority to change on taxes: No

          Proposal 6, new international bridge: No

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          There are no black people asking for a white overseer to take over their community, sell off their public lands, fire their elected officials, and cancel all their contracts. Is that what you and your rich friends tell each other down at the country club?

          Get real. PROP 1 is racist and WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!

          VOTE NO ON PROP 1!!!
          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!! VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          The Emergency Managers are African-Americans. The only other option is to let the cities/school districts go bankrupt and the pension checks would bounce.

          If you’re concerned about African-Americans…you should be concerned about the white union thugs who beat up the poor African-American hot dog vendor: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/13/clint-tarver-lansings-hot-dog-guy-describes-union-goons-destroying-his-property-and-calling-him-racial-epithets/

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Remember this from last year in Longview, Washington:

      “Hundreds of Longshoremen stormed the Port of Longview early Thursday, overpowering and holding security guards, damaging railroad cars, and dumping grain that is the center of a labor dispute, said Longview Police Chief Jim Duscha. Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack, he said. One sergeant was threatened with baseball bats and retreated, Duscha said. The blockade appeared to defy a federal restraining order issued last week against the union after it was accused of assaults and death threats. Nobody has been arrested.”

      Next time I hope there are some arrests!

      1. Mike M. says:

        Here’s the video of the repulsive union goon at Longview…

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO7XFj2xVdM

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Pretty disgusting. That’s why they can’t find much support among the general public. Decent people are repulsed by these foul-mouthed bullies.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Most unions in Michigan are run by ordinary Moms and Dads who are just trying to earn a decent living.

  18. Scott (west olive) says:

    Besides I think all the union did was rise how much I’m paying school lunch a week for 2 kids. We get page of items every start of the school year for supplies for the classroom, isn’t it the districs job to supply that stuff? If Unions are so good, why are charter schools doing so good? Ohh btw it’s nice out should have had a fire going tonight. :)

  19. Scott (west olive) says:

    I’d love to work for a union, unless I’m the one guy doing the work while 3 watch over me working on the roads. Lol

  20. Mike M. says:

    Public unions should be banned by constitutional amendment. They’re nothing more than organized crime. Look no further than California, one of the wealthiest areas in the world, and how the public unions there are driving the state into oblivion. Public unions will always strive to enrich themselves at the expense of the taxpayer. They have ruthlessly done that nationwide for two generations. Enough of the looting, the bank is empty. Vote no on the reprehensible Prop 2.

  21. Mike M. says:

    $2.8 trillion in unfunded state pension debts. Stop the looting. Vote no on Proposal 2.

  22. Mike M. says:

    The city of Compton, Ca. is bankrupt. Compton owes $2.7 million to the California Public Employees’ Retirement System. CalPERS sued the city in Sacramento Superior Court after Compton failed to make its required payments for September. Screw the residents of Compton who can’t get basic services, CalPERS is gonna get theirs.

  23. Mike M. says:

    Allowing public unions is like having Paulie back your restaurant in “Goodfellas.” (Warning, strong, funny language. NSFW)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPtjyqgZAUk

  24. big Daddy BC says:

    So I appreciate all the right-wing rhetoric, Mike, but this really isn’t a partisan issue. People from both parties are rallying behind PROP 2 because it’s a labor issue and people from both parties support our workers’ right to organize and bargain for fair wages and working conditions. There aren’t any longshoremen or Paulies here in West Michigan so your claims of union bosses are unfounded. Our union bosses are teachers, plumbers, and nurses. This is a middle class issue. If we allow the legislature to dismantle labor in the ‘labor state,’ that division between the rich and poor will only widen. Besides, Paulie had nothing to do with unions. He provided protection from other gangsters.

    PROP 2 gives workers nothing more than they already had. PROP 2 has nothing to do with specific contract language, nor does it grant workers any new privileges. It simply protects our work force from unscrupulous CEOs, gives workers the right to organize and bargain for fair wages and working conditions. Anyone that says otherwise is lying.

    As you can see from all the supporters in the thread, people know better than to believe the millionaires that are running all those misleading ads. They’re outspending the union bosses 10:1! I guess those nurses and millwrights just don’t have the money or clout of an Amway billionaire or the Koch Brothers funded Mackinac Center.

    VOTE YES ON PROP. 2!!!
    VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!

    http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Proposal 2 is going to lose (from the Examiner):

      “The Detroit Free Press poll showed Proposal 2 to be losing by four points (42% to 46%), within the poll’s 4.4% margin of error. The Detroit News, in contrast, reported a clear majority against the initiative to have collective bargaining rights added to the state constitution (36.3% to 52.5%).

      Proposal 3 was losing by at least 20% in both polls. Adding a 25% renewable standard by 2025 was opposed by 57% in the News’s poll and 55% in the Free Press’s survey.

      The Free Press poll had Proposal 4, which would allow home health care aides to unionize, narrowly behind, 42% to 44%, within the poll’s margin of error. The News reported a larger spread, 39.7% to 47.7%.

      Remember what my friends say about the proposals” “ONE is the best, vote NO on the rest!”

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Anyone besides me wonder why who’s paying our weatherman to put up post after post after post against a PROP to protect the rights of workers in Michigan? I’m curious as heck why a rich weatherman like Bill Steffen would put up so many posts when clearly he’s outnumbered by his own viewers!!

      PROP 2 does nothing more than protect the middle class against an aggressive legislature. They’ve already said that in December they’ll dismantle unions. Snyder says he’ll sign the bill! I understand not wanting to amend our constitution, but that document exists to provide protection for Michigan’s citizens. The middle class desperately needs that protection RIGHT NOW!!!! PROP 2 is supported by tons of businesses, people of faith (as posted above), and the PTA, for goodness sake. Anti-2 money is coming from CEOs, corporations, and extremist organizations like the Mackinac Center. These people all stand to make money of a unionless Michigan.

      Stand with these businesses in protecting the rights of Michigan’s middle class!!!

      34th Street Mall Wyoming
      A1 Mechanics Towing & Repair Roseville
      A&A Auto Service Royal Oak
      A&B Outlet Grand rapids
      ABASS African Hair Braiding Detroit
      Abba Gifts Temperance
      ABC Cleaning Services Rockford
      The Accessories Shop Royal Oak
      A.C. Beauty Burton
      ACME Safety Council Grand Rapids
      Action Auto Parts Sterling Heights
      Adam and Son Design Company, Inc. Fraser
      Adorable Diaper Creation Detroit
      Advanced Construction Technology Marshall
      Advanced Laser Graphics Howell
      Advanced Screenprinting Sterling Heights
      Advantage Billing Grand Rapids
      African Fabric and Fashion Detroit
      The Aha Gallery Au Gres
      AJ’s cuts Detroit
      Akashic Corner, Inc. Roseville
      Alliance Trucking and Transport Detroit
      Allied Hearing Mount Pleasant
      All Star Sports Bar Burton
      Al’s Body Shop Ironwoood
      America’s Dream Realty Lansing
      America’s Stamp Stop Berkley
      Ambiance Ultra Lounge Detroit
      American Income Life Traverse City
      American Travel LLC Sterling Heights
      Amy Wig Beauty Supply Detroit
      Amygdala Naturals Rockford
      Anchor Bay Bicycle & Fitness Chesterfield
      Andary’s Grill Eastpointe
      Anderson Excavating Rapid River
      Andre’s Tailoring and Alterations Lansing
      Andrew’s on the Corner Detroit
      Ann Arbor Solex Ann Arbor
      Anointed & Talented Nails Detroit
      Ann Perry & Partners Pleasant Ridge
      Anthony B’s Clinton Twp
      Apollo Lanes Roseville
      Appliance Wholesale Service and Outlet, LLC Warren
      APS Cleaning Service Clinton Twp
      Ardis Music Mt. Clemens
      Argos Book Shop Grand Rapids
      Art Girl Creative Works Royal Oak
      Art in Bloom Brighton
      Art of Rugs Detroit
      Arts Barber Shop Fraser
      At Will Tattoo Warren
      Athen’s Liquor Store
      Atrium Cafe & Ice Cream Parlour
      Attentive Care Companions Grand Rapids
      Audio Unlimited Flint
      Authentic Barber Shop Detroit
      Auto Brite Auto Sales Mt. Clemens
      Auto Max Plus Mt. Clemens
      Auto Medics of Shelby Shelby Twp.
      The Avenue Cafe Lansing
      The Avenue Hair Salon Mt. Clemens
      Award and Sports Saginaw
      B&D Mini Mart Munger
      B&J Inflatables Saginaw
      Backstreet Cycle and Machine Ironwood
      Badland Strategies Kalamazoo
      Bagel and Bites Brighton
      Bagel Factory Cafe Troy
      Bagel Time & Donut Station Sterling Heights
      Bara Braiding Detroit
      The Barka Lounge Shelby Township
      Barnard Building & Construction Kalamazoo
      Barnes Agency Kinross
      Barnes Law Firm, PLLC Spring Lake
      Barry and Company Wyandotte
      Barter Town Grand Rapids
      Baseline Feed Warren
      Bayard Art and Frame Grand Rapids
      BC Stone Pizzeria Roseville
      Beach Front Hotel Houghton Lake
      Beat Goes On Grand Rapids
      Beatnius/mixstreet Grand Rapids
      Beauty Box Salon Lansing
      Before & After Lansing
      Before & After Utica
      Benesys, Inc.
      Bentley’s Pizza & Sub Shop Grand Rapids
      The Berkley Book Corner Berkley
      Berkley Chop Shop Berkley
      Berkley Shoe Repair Berkley
      Best N Detroit Laundromat Detroit
      Big Boss Detroit
      Big D’s Diner Pickford
      Big Sky Diner Ypsilanti
      Big Ugly Fish Saginaw
      Bill Williams Trucking Birch Run
      Bindu African Hair Detroit
      Binge’s Auto Repair Clinton Township
      BJ Designs Saginaw
      Blackrock’s Brewery Marquette
      Blake’s Lawn Care Idlewild
      Blank & Blvd. Ann Arbor
      Bleakley Law Offices Muskegon
      Blissful Finds and Treasures Saranac
      Bliss Sweet Shoppe Commerce
      Blissful Finds and Treasures Saranac
      Blohm Creative Partners East Lansing
      Blue City Transportation North Shores
      Blue Consulting
      Blue Print Financial Grandville
      Booked for the Season Muskegon
      The Book Garden Mt.Pleasant
      Book Shelf Mt.Pleasant
      Books + Plus Mount Pleasant
      Boot-Rite Computer Solutions Sterling Heights
      Borcho’s Hi Tech Auto Repair, Inc Warren
      Bosna Express Wyoming
      Bostaan Warren
      BNB Oil Change Warren
      Bourne Again Treasures Sterling Heights
      Brenner Landscaping Farmington Hills
      Brian Kainulainen Photography Scottville
      Bride To be Video Monroe
      Bridgefort, Inc. Detroit
      Britten Designs Wyoming
      BRL Development Corp. Keewadin
      Brunswick Public House Roseville
      Bryan Jones Construction, Inc Mason
      Buckley’s Mountainside Canoes Mt. Pleasant
      Burgess Strategic Marketing Services Troy
      Burns Realty Ann Arbor
      Burton Auto & Tire Center Burton
      Butler’s Collision Roseville
      Buttercream Bakeshop Wixom
      Butter Nut Bakery Center Line
      Buzz Barber Shop Detroit
      C. Charles Hahn Automotive Appearance Specialist Lansing
      Cafe Ambrosia Ann Arbor
      Cafe Con Leche Detroit
      Cake Luv Southfield cakeluvonwheels.com
      Cake N’ Coffee Grand Rapids
      Campbell Liquor Store Royal Oak
      Capitol Fundraising Associates Lansing
      Car Guys Auto Center Fraser
      Carlo’s Pizza Wyoming
      Carl’s Boats & Motors St. Clair Shores
      Carol M. Hogan, Attorney and Counselor at Law Warren
      Carol’s Catering Grand Rapids
      Carpet Specialists Ishpeming
      Cascarelli’s Pizza Homer
      Cathy’s Best Value Warren
      Celia’s Corner Cafe Owosso
      Celtic Sisters Candles & Candies New Baltimore
      Center Stage Family Hair Care Saginaw
      Chantelle Jewelers Madison Heights
      Charlar Place Holt
      Chapel of the Chimes Funeral Home Westland
      Charlie’s Auto & Truck Port Huron
      Chesaning Nursing Care Chesaning
      Chic Salon Marquette
      Child Star Development Center Detroit
      China Palace Wyoming
      Chiro Plus Inc. Chesterfield
      The Chocolate Buzz Traverse City
      Chocolate Moose Catering & More Jackson
      Chris Awesome Cuts Detroit
      Cisco Len Inc.
      City’s Edge Taylor
      City Style Berkley
      Clarent Construction Redford
      Clarinet Closet Roosevelt Park
      Clarks Auto Burton
      Clark’s Ice Cream Berkley
      Classic Grooming Shelby Township
      The Cleaner Scene Mt. Clemens
      Cleaning Corners Battle Creek
      Clear Cuts Salon Detroit
      Clip and Style Grand Rapids
      Clippers Family Haircare Clinton Twp
      CLM Landscaping LLC Eaton Rapids
      The Clothes Exchange Fraser
      Cloverleaf Restaurant Ann Arbor
      Clyde’s Diner Kincheloe
      CNC Systems, Inc. Roseville
      Coaches Hair and Barbershop Detroit
      The Cobbler Shop Roseville
      Collected Works Ann Arbor
      Comics Video Games-N-Stuff Mt Clemens
      The Community Voice Grand Rapids l
      Computer Repair Mt.Pleasant
      Coney Girl Grand Rapids
      Coney Time Detroit
      Confident Wyoming
      Continental Auto Sales Burton
      Cook’s Signs Plus Shelby Township
      Coonan’s Irish Hub Bay City
      Core Healing Bodyworks Flint
      Coreys on Woodward Detroit
      Cosmic Creations Detroit
      Cottage at Lemson’s Landing Big Rapids
      Couture Hair and Nails Detroit
      Crafty Lady Trio Clinton Twp
      Craine Mediation Farmington Hills
      Crawford’s Southfield
      Creative Keepsakes Ceramics Chesterfield
      Creative Wellness Lansing
      Creme de la Creme Mount Pleasant
      Crowned Pastries Detroit
      Cruz Kitchen Saginaw
      CSN Tax Service Detroit
      Custom Bars Clinton Township
      Cut It Out Salon Detroit
      D&V Jamaican Seasonings Mt Clemens
      Dabakh Hair Braiding Detroit
      Daddy’s Pizza Sterling Heights
      Dallas Deli Wyoming
      Daniel’s Auto Sales, Inc. Clinton Twp
      Dave’s Shoe Repair Warren
      Dave’s Windshield Repair Jackson
      David Houston Salon Shelby Township
      David R. Zamler, DDS Royal Oak
      Decoroom Utica
      Dee’s Chair Detroit
      Dee Dee Family Dining Mt.Clemens
      Deanna Heath MSW Mount Pleasant
      Dee’s Place Detroit
      Defever Construction Big Rapids
      Delphine Handmade Ferndale
      Dependable Rain Lawn Sprinkler Co.
      Design Boys Sterling Heights
      Detroit Ink Ann Arbor
      Detroit Make Me Fierce Detroit
      Detroit Motor Apparel Royal Oak
      Detroit Motorcycle Center Line
      Devonshire Rugs Detroit
      Diamond Dot Market Clinton Twp
      Diana’s House of Fashion Shelby Twp
      Dis-n-Dat Detroit
      Diva’s Unique Fashion Boutique Detroit
      Divine Elegance Salon & Spa Burton
      Divine Intervention Detroit
      Divine Sound, LLC Ypsilanti
      Divine Tax Service
      Dixie Waterproofing Fenton
      D&J Pet Supply Saginaw
      DJW Services Computers Detroit
      DK Decorating Detroit
      DMP Performance Horses Holt
      Doc Legal LLC Southfield
      Dr. Dan’s PC Repair Roseville
      Doggie Spa and Play Care Marshall
      Dogue Detroit
      Dollar Deli Detroit
      Donato’s Custom Lures
      Donbos Printing Impressions Saginaw
      Donckers Marquette
      Donna’s Cutting Edge Kawkawlin
      Double Dragon Burton
      Duey’s Corner Vermontville
      Dukes Services Plumbing and Backflow Testing Highland
      D+V Designs Detroit
      Eastside Appliances Detroit
      Easy Living Cleaning Service Lansing
      Eby Dental Care Okemos
      Eddie’s Salon Sterling Heights
      Edyn’s Edge Montague
      Eilli Wear Fashion Grand Rapids
      Elder & Sage Grand Rapids
      Electric Tan Sterling Heights
      Elegant Saree Fashion Warren
      E.L.I.T.E. Lawn Care Saginaw
      Ellis Cleaning Company Lansing
      Elmo’s Main Street T-Shirts Ann Arbor
      El Sombrero Ltd. Lansing
      Emma’s Basement Boutique Mt.Pleasant
      Empire Signs Shelby Twp
      Empress New Hair Detroit
      Envy Nails Detroit
      Erin K Lenchner Studio Ferndale
      Everette Place Harper Woods
      Everyday Wines Marquette
      Everything Special Florist & Gifts Inc. Chesterfield
      Exclusive Barbershop Detroit
      Exclusive Cuts Barber Shop Detroit
      Expert Auto Service II Warren
      Express Care Detroit
      Express Mobile Computer & Laptop Repair Detroit
      EZ Glide Dance Studio & Elegance Romulus
      The Family Cuts and Fades Detroit
      Fashion for Less Detroit
      Fashion Jewelry Detroit
      The Fashion Place Detroit
      Fave Beauty Shop Detroit
      FC Hardwood Floors Warren
      Federal Paper & supply Co, Inc Flint
      Feed My Sheep Books, LLC Detroit
      Figueroa Consulting Huntington Woods
      Final Kut Detroit
      Finesse Liquor Store Warren
      Fink’s Butcher Shop Vicksburg
      Firenze Computer Center Line
      Fisherman’s net Inkster
      Fitness Coliseum Owosso
      Fix My PC Roseville
      Flavored Threads Screen Printing Lansing
      The Flint School of Therapeutic Massage Flint
      Floss Setters Hair Salon Detroit
      The Flour Uprising Mt. Pleasant
      The Found Sock Sterling Heights
      The Framers Workshop Rochester
      Fraser Agency Home Health Care Fraser
      Fraser Flowers & Gifts Fraser
      Fraser Hair Salon Fraser
      Fred’s Pizza Grand Rapids
      Freedom Network St Clair Shores
      Fresh 2 Def Cutz Barber & Beauty Salon Saginaw
      Fresh Digital Media Detroit
      From J. Loo to You Troy
      From the Root Hair Salon Detroit
      Front Page Deli Sterling Heights
      Frontline Marketing Sterling Heights
      Future Foundations Kalamazoo
      G&L Auto Sales Inc Roseville
      Gabriel’s Vacuum Sterling Heights
      Garage Band Music Utica
      Gary’s Pizzeria and Deli Auburn Hills
      Geeked Up Electronics Macomb/Fraser
      George’s Flower Shop Clinton Township
      George’s Salon Berkley
      GForce Computers Warren
      Glazed Impressions Berkley
      Global Enterprises Group St. Clair Shores
      Golden Bowl Detroit
      Golden Gate Cleaner Troy
      Good Peeple Consulting Detroit
      Gonzo Art Roseville
      The Good Feet Store Royal Oak
      Goods LLC Detroit
      Goodwells Natural Food Market Detroit
      Gordon Wetherell Construction Boon
      Gotcha Covered Party Rentals, LLC Mount
      Gracie See Pasta-Ria Inkster
      Great Lakes Embroidery Jenison
      Green Planet Extreme Adventures, LLC Mackinaw City
      Gregory’s Lansing
      Gregory, Moore, Jeakle and Brooks Detroit
      Growing Together
      The Growth Coach Saginaw Township
      Grove Electric Ishpeming
      Gumbo’s Mt. Clemens
      Hair Crush Detroit
      The Hair Factory Detroit
      Hair Plus Center St Clair Shores
      Hairs Inn Ypsilanti
      Hall of Fame Billiards Warren
      Hallmark Glass Fraser
      Halo Freight Expedition Haslet
      Hancheck Farms, LLC Wilson
      Hanna’s Fruit Market Sterling Heights
      Happy at Home
      Happy Endings Muskegon
      Happy Ogre Entertainment LLC Davison
      Harbortown Market Detroit
      Hardcharger LLC Detroit
      Harrison Chiropractic Center, P.C. Grand Rapids
      Hartland Flowers Inc. Hartland
      Harvest Kitchen Ypsilanti
      Hatch Trucking and Excavating Battle Creek
      Hats Galore & More Detroit
      Hay and O’Rourke PC Attorneys at Law Lansing
      Haynor Educational Services Newaygo
      Head N Sole Barber Shop and Shoe Repair Grand Rapids
      Heaney Plumbing & Heating Detroit
      Hear You Go Audio Books Lansing
      Heath Shoe Repair Mt.Pleasant
      Henriksen’s Driving Range Shelby Twp
      Here to There Consulting Huntington Woods
      Heritage Optical Detroit
      Heritage Vision Plans Detroit
      The Hilla Law Firm, PLLC Lathrup Village
      Hillcrest Market Clinton Twp
      Hills Trophies Unlimited Reese
      Hinesman’s Furniture and Appliances Hudson
      Hippies Pizza Royal Oak
      Hoffman’s Deco Deli and Café Flint
      Hollywood Coney Island Detroit
      Hollywood Fashions Grand rapids
      Home Video Studio Shelby Twp
      Homes by Caskey Big Rapids
      Honee Bee Donuts Center Line
      Hope’s Chest Berkley
      Horizon Heating/Cooling Saginaw
      Hour Glass Galleria LLC Detroit
      House Effects Grand Rapids
      House of Yoga Berkley
      H-Tech Burton
      Huckleberry’s Greenville
      Hunter Prell Co Battle Creek
      Hypknotica Ferndale

      …AND THAT’S A-H!!! Don’t forget that 700,000 Michigan citizens signed the petition to have PROP 2 put on the ballot. We’re sick and tired of sacrificing our rights so that CEOs can get tax breaks and bigger bonuses. S

      Stand with Michigan’s small businesses! Stand with the PTA!!

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Total BS – many of the businesses on this list were NEVER asked about supporting Proposal 2: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17877 Typical of people like you. Remember you said that Romney was a polygamist. He’s not. You lied. You are dishonest.

        Here’s the truth, from former WOOD reporter, Anne Schieber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvnH_VFz1s

        Her report shows the truth about this phony list of “businesses” that bigDaddy and his fellow liars are trying to fool you with.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        This is the pledge of the Koch funded Mackinac Center and their Cap. Con. production? LOL Sure those businesses weren’t asked. I happen to know several business owners on the list. They posted their businesses on there along with everyone else. LOL Anyone on this list that shouldn’t be has every right to request their name be pulled. This is nothing more than right-wing shenanigans again! Let’s not forget that 700,000 citizens signed the petition to get PROP 2 on the ballot!!!

        Go to http://protectworkingfamilies.com/ for an even bigger list of Michigan small businesses that have pledged support for PROPOSAL 2!!

        Even the PTA has gotten behind PROP 2!!!!

        VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
        VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        If you “happen to know several business owners on the list”, then give me their names so I can see if they know you. I think there’s a good chance you’re lying about that, too. C’mon – give me the names of the businesses that know you!

        I’d sure trust Anne Schieber over a PROVEN liar like you. You said that Romney was a polygamist. He’s not. You lied. The Union or the Union backers that came up with that phony list you posted lied. If anyone is interested in finding out the truth for yourself, call Don McCarty at Kilwins who said “that’s ABSOLUTELY NOT our position”. Then there are the other “businesses” with no address and no phone number or the one that bounces to a website for “Occupy” (LOL). It’s a scam, a deceptive, deceitful scam – a phony list – all LIES. Don’t support this bunch of cheaters. Not a single major news outlet supports Proposal 2:

        Lansing, MI, October 22, 2012—The editorial board at the Detroit Free Press, the state’s largest and among the most influential newspapers, on Sunday joined over a dozen other newspaper editorial boards from across the state formally urging residents to “Vote NO on Proposal 2.” To-date, not one newspaper in the state of Michigan has formally recommended a yes vote on Proposal 2.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Anne who-cares? The Mackinac Center article you posted said Kilwin Chocolate and Fuddruckers didn’t want to be on the list. They’re NOT and who cares?? Fuddruckers can join whatever team it wants. I frankly didn’t even know that Fuddruckers was still in business. LOL

          The Mackinac Center can say whatever they want. They exist to smear public education. They’re funded by billionaires who’d love nothing more than to destroy all organized labor in the country. You can trust them if you like, but thinking people know enough to follow the money. PROP 2 doesn’t leave a money trail. What it leaves is a labor force with the peace of mind that no legislature will act counter to the will of the people that elected them and eliminate their rights in the workplace. Can you imagine if this governor and legislatures had run on an eliminate labor platform…not a one would have made it to Lansing!!!!! This PROP stops them in their tracks!!

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!!!

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          The Mackinac Center exposed the dreadful Bay City Teachers Contract, where a teacher had to be drunk in the classroom five times before they could be fired and they couldn’t be fired if they were caught dealing drugs on the playground: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17602

  25. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

    The only one i care about is prop 3. If on Tuesday there was an option for “HELL NO” that is the the box i would check.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      I may chime in on that. It’s interesting that there’s a lot of out-of-state money paying for the Proposal 3 ads. On the hottest day of this year…104 degrees in G.R., 102 in Holland – July 6 – the average wind was 4 mph (Holland was 3 mph). All those expensive (over 2 MILLION dollars apiece) were as idle as the Tiger offense in the World Series.

      1. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

        People are not aware of what this is going to do to thier rates. Prop three garantees 3300 wind turbines up by 2025. Those wind turbines right now are dispatched at right around a hundred dollars a MW. Coal around 24 bucks. There is a 250 year supply of coal available in the U.S. right now. That is coal we can obtain without displacing a single home. Also be advised that because of very very very strict laws in place regarding our use of coal the mines that are generating this supply of coal have no shifted their focus on exporting to China. People should be marching in the streets over this very issue alone. This is “our energy” right here, for us. Laws neeed to be changed pronto. It really is a matter of National Security. I read somwhere once where a weather man wrote “life where there is no energy is hard……and short” well said.

        1. Brad says:

          Coal? I can’t think of any problems associated with that…

        2. Brad says:

          Wow…what a stupid link!

        3. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

          The only thing you can’t think about is how the very computer you are banging away aimlessly and everything you do all night and day is powered by……wait for it……coal. Lets figure out how to burn it alot more efficently and figure out exhaust sequestration or somthing? i don’t understand why people can’t get this through their thick skulls. On the other hand i can think of a thousand problems that come from not having this abundant, usefull, affordable, American fuel in our energy porfolio. You seem like a halfway inteligent person, but i never see anybody putting forward solutions……just complaining that the damn sky is falling all of the time.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          CO2 emissions in the U.S. are falling: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UbFhyNj-vKc

          Clean coal and natural gas are there for you when the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining.

  26. Mindy says:

    Right Wing NUTS can’t stand if a WORKING FAMILYS have a VOICE in BARGING RIGHTS!!!!! Vote YES ON PROP 2 !!!! RIGHT WINGERS want Michigan to be a RIGHT TO WORK STATE!! = RIGHT TO WORK FOR LESS !!! UNBELIEVABLE !!! People want to Vote for these RIGHT WING NUTS and wonder why i can’t get ahead on Wages. They want to LOWER MIMIMUM WAGE,GET RID OF WOMENS EQUIL PAY,TIME TO VOTE THEM ALL OUT !!!!!! GO OBAMA !!!!!!

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Wrong – working families support taking the money out of the pockets of union bosses and putting it into the classroom where it was intended: http://watchdog.org/78127/wis-act-10-leads-to-lower-school-premiums-new-report-finds/

  27. Mindy says:

    Hey, Big Daddy, I’m on YOUR SIDE !!! KOCH BROTHERS TRYING TO BUY ELECTION !!!! I BOYCOTT ALL THERE PRODUCTS !!!!! GOING ON 1 YEAR !!!!

    1. Jack says:

      Mindy (minus ) The M = ? …Hmmm.. Just a Thought… I HOPE Not…NO- Bama, No on PROP.2 !!!!!!! ;-)

      1. Jack says:

        Bill Do You Think ,big Duddy, Will Show Up at Any of The Churches on His SO- CALLED List ? Lol

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          No, God is competition to people who want the government to be god.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Yet you publicly support PROP1, the racist proposition that puts Snyder in direct control over all the assets in any community he sees fit. So far he’s only taken over black communities. You’re a hypocrite, weatherman and a liar.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES.

          http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          There’s nothing “racist” about Proposal 1. Most of the Emergency Managers are African-American. Some of them were appointed by Granholm. You look buffoonish when you make outlandish claims like that.

      2. meangreen says:

        INDY says:
        November 6, 2012 at 7:18 am

        If only we could vote fizzer off the Blogg YES ON THAT!!!! YES ON 2 GET OUT AND VOTE!!! INDYY…..
        Reply

    2. Brad says:

      Well, it seems pretty obvious this blog is funded by the Mackinac Center for Public Policy…interesting…

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Oh, and the Koch Brothers and Dick Cheney and Clint Eastwood’s Chair and the Boogie Man, too!

        1. Brad says:

          And maybe this guy…http://www.zundelsite.org/

          Is Ernst Zundel still involved with the GOP?

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Interesting article, Bill. It said this,

          “Michigan Governor Rick Snyder, the Republican Party, the Tea Party, the corporate-controlled media and conservative think tanks…
          …represent a section of the ruling class that seeks to bypass the unions and rejects their services in carrying out attacks on the living standards of the working class. By weakening the unions, they also seek to weaken the Democratic Party…”

          GOOD ONE, BILL. I WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREE that Snyder and the corporate media (you included) seek to cripple labor so that you can retain control of Lansing. Your link was socialist and had all kinds of out-there claims and opinions, but this one was right on the money.

          VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
          VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17602

          Detroit Free Press:

          Proposal 2: Vote ‘NO’

          As rich as Michigan’s collective bargaining history is, and as much as the Free Press supports unions and unionization, there is just no good reason to inculcate this policy issue into the state Constitution. Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining. Michigan just can’t afford those kinds of limitations in an era when debt from pension and health obligations to current and retired employees are pushing many local governments to the brink of insolvency. The marathon litigation and administrative chaos that would be unleashed by Proposal 2 — as local and state governments scrambled to get basic safeguards back in place — would be a massive, expensive distraction. Proposal 2 would also make a constitutional right out of a policy prerogative, further muddying up a constitution that already addresses too many inappropriate issues. Proponents say Proposal 2 is needed to protect workers’ bargaining rights. But those rights are already guaranteed by both federal and state law. Proposal 2 would hand a permanent advantage to the unions in the bargaining process, something that ought to be subject to discussion and negotiation through the legislative process.

      2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Very Good Big Daddy!

  28. Stephen says:

    Ill let all the fireman know that you said no to 2. My brother works for Muskegon and his job could be in great jeopardy without 2 we know all that teacher stuff is bs bill

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Stephen – look at California – pension costs for public employees have bankrupted cities (and soon the state will be bankrupt, too). To cover the cost of pensions they are obligated to pay, they have had to lay off THOUSANDS of police and firefighters. Read this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-01/police-chief-s-204-000-pension-shows-how-cities-crashed.html

      This is how fire fighters get laid off: http://www.fdnntv.com/San-Jose-Fire-Department-Layoffs and http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/hemet/hemet-headlines-index/20120914-hemet-city-issues-firefighter-layoff-notices.ece and http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/fire-reno-layoffs/RkzzIEq9aUWbiwcwfM73PQ.cspx and http://centralstockton.news10.net/news/news/city-stockton-lays-36-firefighters/75195

      This is San Bernardino: “The firefighters’ union has been the most stubborn and transparently self-interested in San Bernardino. The average firefighter earns about $150,000 per year, and the union has resisted making any salary concessions. The city manager’s initial proposal would have eliminated 20 positions and either closed down a battalion or implemented rotating brownouts (that is, temporary shutdowns) of stations.”

      Just google “fire fighter layoffs California” and there are dozens of articles.

      You can’t pay 150K plus benefits, work 30 years and out (retire at 50) and get 90% of your final pay plus benefits forever! There’s not enough money to do that…so that’s why THOUSANDS of fire fighters have been laid off.

      Nothing changes if Proposal 2 is defeated. There will still be a strong union for many fire fighters and collective bargaining. My cousin was a fire fighter for 40 years in Chicago. I have friends who are fire fighters. But we have to think of the good of the entire community and to maintain fiscal responsibility.

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      What a shame, Bill, that you’d protect CEOs over your own viewers. How many firemen, nurses, steelworkers, teachers, and plumbers watch your forecasts? These people need your help, not Snyder and his millionaire contributors.

      Help us protect the middle class!

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        What a shame, bigDaddy that you support leaving drunk and drug-dealing teachers in the classroom: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17602

        Look at the extra money for the classroom when union bosses don’t have a monopoly: http://watchdog.org/78127/wis-act-10-leads-to-lower-school-premiums-new-report-finds/

  29. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    WOW! This is exactly what the political elites want to have happen. Have all of the electorate bicker, argue and pull in different directions. This is what makes the politicians have the power and the money. It is a sad day in the USA – the political system has become this divided and radical that nothing will ever get done. Very scary commentary and radical people from both sides on the blog!! Again you are playing right into the political elites master plan! Wake up and learn how to become moderate, flexible and collaborative! That is the only way anything will ever get fixed! At least all of the radicals on this blog have confirmed exactly why nothing will ever get done in Washington. This is an example of how the Senate and Congress are in hopeless gridlock! Both sides blame each other and nothing ever gets done.

    1. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

      Great comment, Rocky! :) I agree completely.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Thanks and someone has to try and bring some sanity to all of these close minded radicals on this blog.

  30. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    All lobbying and political advertising of any kind should banned and illegal! Total waste of money and time!!

  31. Hugh says:

    PLEASE PEOPLE, STOP AND THINK! WILL THE MEA,STATE, OTHERS HIRE YOU? No, they’re protecting their own interests — What you want is not useful to them. Vote NO to Proosal 2. Bill is right on, despite the guy who just uses up space. Please vote NO!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      The MEA employs a handful of people. The UAW employs a handful of people. The Nurses Association only employs a handful of people. This isn’t about job creation. These unions protect the people that belong to each. They protect jobs that ALREADY exist. Hugh, I’m not sure what your point is other than to say that passing 2 won’t help you. Unfortunately, you’re wrong. If the unions fall, all wages go down. It isn’t just auto workers and plumbers. …It’s everyone!
      When you give all the power to the rich CEOs, the bottom line becomes the sole driver for all the decisions they make…working conditions, wages, benefits, vacation time, etc. I wish you were right, Hugh, but you couldn’t be more wrong. And for those worried about amending the constitution to give protection to our middle class, here’s a list of its most recent amendments. Many were attacks on labor.

      http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(lnews345wug0y13l0uep3rv4))/mileg.aspx?page=ExecuteSearch&legislativesession=2011-2012&detailedcategory=Constitutional%20amendments,%20state

      As far as Bill Steffen’s position. I find it weird that a wealthy weatherman would spend SO much time and energy trying to convince his viewers that their rights shouldn’t be protected, while seeking to enshrine the one racist proposal on the ballot, PROP 1! 700,000 Michigananders from both parties came together to get PROP 2 on the ballot. You can believe our charming weatherman or the hundreds of small business owners, men of faith, and 700,000 people that signed the petition. This Prop is labor’s last stand against a legislature that’s hell bent on driving unions out of Michigan.

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
      VOTE YES FOR LABOR AND WORKING FAMILIES!!!

      Pastor George Adam After Christ
      Pastor Nina Fryer Anderson Temple Missionary Baptist Church
      Rev. Dr. Wendell Anthony Fellowship Chapel
      Pastor Larry Bell Vernon Chapel AME
      Pastor Heather Boone Carey Chapel AME
      Terri Bracy St. Paul UCC
      Pastor Sterling Brewer King of David Missionary Baptist Church
      Pastor Clara Brown-Draughn True Love Evangelistic Ministries
      Rev. Robert Brumfield Oak Grove AME
      Pastor David Bullock Greater Matthew
      Bishop Lennell Caldwell First Baptist World Changers
      Pastor Gerald Cardwell St. John AME Church
      Pastor Corey Chavis Victory Church
      Father Victor Clore Christ The King Parish
      Rev. Dee Dee Coleman Russell Street Baptist Church
      Pastor Hurley Coleman World Outreach Campus
      Pastor Robert Dean New Life COGIC
      Bishop James Dukes Refreshing Word Church
      Bishop Charles H. Ellis Greater Grace Temple
      Juan Escoreno MOSES
      Bishop Roy Ferguson World Deliverance Temple
      Brendan Flanagan ISAAC
      Rev. James Flowers Northstar Missionary Baptist Church
      Rev. Kenneth Flowers New Greater Mt. Moriah
      Pastor Stacy Foster Life Changers International Ministries
      Rev. Henry Fuller Jr. Mt Calvary Baptist Church
      Rev. Nancy Casey Fulton St. John Episcopal Church
      Pastor Franklin Garrison Grace Temple COGIC
      Pastor Fredrick Gilliam Mt. Zion
      Pastor Sonia Green Outside the Camp International Ministries
      Pastor Ron Griffin Rose of Sharon COGIC
      Apostle Nina Hall Art of the Covenant
      Pastor Dave Hendricks Emmanuel Lutheran
      Pastor Tony Hill Greater Mt. Zion
      Pastor Sean Holland The Epicenter of Worship
      Rev. Jim Holley Historic Little Rock Baptist Church
      Rev. Frank Jackson St. Andrew Redeemer
      Rev. Victoria James Ekklesia Fellowship Ministries
      Bishop Bernadel Jefferson Faith Deliverance Center
      Bishop Issac King Pentecostal Temple COGIC
      Rabbi Joseph Klein Temple Emanu-El Synagogue
      Pastor Clarence Langston Word In Action
      Bishop Eric Lloyd Rhema International Church
      Father Thomas Lumpkin Day House-Detroit Catholic Worker
      Pastor Dr. Charlesfontane Macon Gregg Memorial AME
      Supt. Quintin Marshall New Life Tabernacle Ministries
      Pastor Tyrone B. Martin Greater Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church
      Pastor Maurice Hardwick Body of Believers
      Rev. W. Paul Mayhue Greater Grand Rapids Baptist
      Rev. Michael Ray Meakin Mount Pleasant Housing Commission
      Pastor Michael Rosier Strong Tower Ministries
      Rev. Rey Mondragon Ypsilanti First United Methodist
      Rev. Byron Moore Ebenezer AME Church
      Rev. Wayne Nicholson St. John’s Episcopal Church
      Rev. Dr. James Perkins Greater Christ
      Pastor Micheal Pettigrew St. Paul Baptist Church
      Pastor Dr. Cecil A. Poe Leland Missionary Baptist
      Pastor Lewis Randolph Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
      Pastor M. J. Reed The River
      Bishop Neal Roberson Macedonia Missionary Baptist
      Pastor Anthony Shannon Beyond the Veil
      Pastor Victor E. Sharpe Jr. St. John the Great Baptist Church
      Rev. Andre Spivey St. Paul AME
      Bishop Curtis Stephens Increasing Faith Ministries
      Rev. Joseph Stephens New Birth Baptist
      Stephen C. Taylor New Live A.O.G.
      Father Fred Thelen Cristo Rey Catholic Church
      Rev. Dr. G. Patrick Thompson Erin Presbyterian
      Pastor John D. Tolbert Trinity Missionary Baptist Church
      Father Stan Ulman St. Mary of the Hills Catholic Church
      Bishop Edgar Vann Jr. Second Ebenezer
      Bishop Corletta Vaughn Holy Ghost Tabernacle
      Rev. Anthony L. Whitehorn Sr. Bethel-The House of God
      Carlos D. Williams Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle
      Rev. Charles Williams Historic King Solomon Baptist Church
      Rev. Van Williams Second Baptist Church
      Bishop Milton C. Woods Bethel Deliverance Tabernacle
      K. Yarber Mount hermon

      VOTE WITH THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH! VOTE YES FOR FAMILIES! VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Jack says:

        See Ya in Church ????? Little Duddy ?

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        Hmmm – I thought you were a rabid supporter of the Separation of Church and State? Detroit Free Press on Proposal 2: “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining.”

  32. Katie in Kentwood says:

    Bill, my mom is a bus driver for The Rapid….she says Prop 2 is absolutely necessary. Vote YES on Prop 2! Those bus drivers need to have a voice.

    1. Stephen says:

      Yep please vote yes on 2.
      It is very necessary.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Detroit Free Press: “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining.”

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      ROCK ON Katie!

      1. Jack says:

        ROCK OFF….Rocky !!!!!!

  33. Mindy says:

    VOTE YES ON PROP 2 !!!!! VOTE NO TO ALL REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE ON TUESDAY!!! THEY ARE ALL VOTER SUPPRESSIONISTS !!!!! GO OBAMA !!!!!!

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      ROCK ON MINDY! I am a moderate Independent and it does appear to me that the Republican party is trying to suppress voting. I feel that we should be doing everything possible to make it easy to vote and to encourage all people from all political parties to vote!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Does that include spying on the phone calls and emails of AP reporters and using the IRS to harass and penalize your political opponents?

  34. Jack says:

    Sorry, Ya All…Unions Suppress Voting. Unions Tell You HOW To Vote , And Use YOUR DUES, TO GET FAT !!!!! VOTE NO onPROP 2 !!!!!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Thanks, Jack. That made absolutely no sense. Fat? You’re an idiot.
      And your little shot at church going people was uncalled for.

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Jack says:

        Of Course I Doesn’t Make Sense To You little D ,You’ve Been Brian Washed by The FAT Union Bosses,YOUR The Idiot …VOTE NO Prop. 2…… STAND WITH PEPOLE REAL Faith !!!!!!

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I bet you talk like you type. LOL

  35. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    First – the actual language of Prop 2:

    PROPOSAL 12-2
    A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION
    REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
    This proposal would:

    Grant public and private employees the constitutional right to organize and bargain collectively through labor unions.

    Invalidate existing or future state or local laws that limit the ability to join unions and bargain collectively, and to negotiate and enforce collective bargaining agreements, including employees’ financial support of their labor unions. Laws may be enacted to prohibit public employees from striking.

    Override state laws that regulate hours and conditions of employment to the extent that those laws conflict with collective bargaining agreements.

    Define “employer” as a person or entity employing one or more employees.
    Should this proposal be approved?
    Yes
    No

    As of 2011 only 18.3% of employees in Michigan were union members. Private sector employees are already protected by Federal law (National Labor Relations Act). As far as current State employees, State Police Officers and Seargents (via Article XI, Section 5 of the Michigan Constitution) allows them collective bargaining.

    Steelie

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      It’s great that you pointed out that State Police have a constitutional right to bargain. What’s good for them is good for all of us. Excellent point, Steelie.

      I also like your stat on the sheer number of people that directly belong to labor organizations. …WOW, more than 18 percent. THAT’S HUGE! Imagine what will happen to that almost fifth of Michigan’s labor force should this legislature eliminate unions in our great state! I’d also piggyback by saying that union shops increase wages and benefits in nonunion shops. The domino effect of a unionless Michigan would be devastating. Our middle class is sliding backward under higher taxes while the CEOs get more breaks. It’s ridiculous. What we need is protection and PROP 2 grants us that.

      You’re right. VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES AND LABOR!!!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Proposal 2 went down to a landslide defeat. The “middle class” has spoken. Despite your loony hyperbole, we still have unions and we still have collective bargaining. Now the emphasis will be on the children, not on the lining the pockets of union bosses. Check this out: http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/on_assignment/districts-save-by-changing-health-plans

  36. Allendale says:

    Look at all you bums voting yes for Prop 2 and for Obama…lets see if you freeloaders can get Obama in office again so he can keep giving you everything so you can be lazy

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Wow, more crazy radical comments! We are all Americans. Is is not liberals and conservatives!

  37. YourKids'Teacher says:

    I’ve been teaching in Michigan for 19 years. I am so bummed that I didn’t realize I could show up for work 5 times before I could be fired and that even the, it would be almost impossible to do it. I would have been enjoying myself a lot more at the expense of the taxpayers…

    Seriously, people — how many of you have spent any length of time TEACHING? Because you’ve all been in the classroom (supposedly getting an education although with some of the ignorance on this blog, I am beginning to doubt that even), you think you are experts on education. Do you see me trying to predict the weather? Do you see me prescribing medications and diagnosing illnesses? Because I could. After all, I’ve been IN a doctor’s office before and I’ve WATCHED the weather and even own a little weather station that sits on my living room coffee table.

    Why do you hate me? Regardless of unions, Prop 2, the MEA — behind all of this are people who love what they do and love kids. Why are you trying to ruin our country’s future just because you didn’t have the kahunas to belly up and teach our future?

    1. YourKids'Teacher says:

      Paragraph 1 edit – show up “drunk” 5 times…and even then*

      Sorry – hit enter and it posted before I could proofread.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        I’m certainly not attacking teachers. My wife was a teacher for a short while and I’ve taught in the Lighthouse and Spectrum programs, plus I’ve done Math Counts and Science Olympiad for 25 years and made close to 2,000 school visits over my 38+ years here in G.R. The world won’t end now that Proposal 2 has been defeated. We’ll still have strong unions and collective bargaining.

        There’s more money for kids and the classroom when the unions have some competition: http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/on_assignment/districts-save-by-changing-health-plans

  38. BJ says:

    I am so sick of TV ads, phone calls at all hours of the day and night, and flyers in the mail telling me to vote YES or to vote NO on these proposals. After looking at all of them and reading about them I am voting NO on all of them as well as the two proposals for the city of Grand Rapids. I am praying that Obama gets reelected. I read the names of Romney’s advisors and they are mostly men from the Bush administration. One of them thinks we should go to war with Iran. Just what we need, another war! Ryan’s brother works for one of the big agri-chemical companies so I know what will happen to our farms and crops–spray with pesticides and genetiically modify our food. It would be going back to the Bush years again, a huge step back for the U.S. Also Romney seems very anti-women’s rights. As for the weather, this is a weather blog, right????, I have my snowblower ready and the snowplow service hired so that means we won’t have a bad winter! Just finished raking the last of the leaves here today. Thank goodness. Also there was a little snow Saturday morning around 9 to 11 am when I was on 28th Street around Woodland Mall.

    1. bobcat says:

      Or, you could open your mind and listen to something other than CNN?….

      1. BJ says:

        I never listen to CNN. Also everyone else on here has expressed their opinions and I can too.

  39. Scott (west olive) says:

    It hit 25 deg here at 9:30. Dont know what its at now. Think no on all props as of now. only one on the fence as of now is 2. Dads a teacher, said to vote yes on 2. not sure yet. B D BC you must work for some sort of education system, as I asked you a couple days ago. I heard the same stuff from my dad as you been saying. going to be a fun election night to watch.

  40. Jeff (Nothern Ionia) says:

    Voting no on Prop. 2 along with all the others. We do not need our constitution changed by anyone!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Our constitution is amended regularly. The current legislature has amended it many times over the last two years.

      http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(xi1pjz45pcq1pyyzq1eejbfx))/mileg.aspx?page=ExecuteSearch&legislativesession=2011-2012&detailedcategory=Constitutional%20amendments,%20state

      I get the gist of what you’re saying, but in practicality our constitution evolves. PROP 2 does nothing more than protect what our work force has always had, a right to organize and bargain for what’s fair. You’re obviously entitled to your opinion, but that ideological stance doesn’t help the people who need it most, Michigan’s middle class. We’ve been kicked around for two years by a legislature that’s not doing the will of the people that elected them. It’s time to fight back and protect ourselves!!

      VOTE YES ON PROP 2!!!
      VOTE YES FOR WORKING FAMILIES!!!

      http://protectworkingfamilies.com/

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Here’s one of many reasons the Detroit Free Press said to vote NO on Proposal 2: “Proposal 2 would handcuff local and state governments in their dealings with public employees. Even criminal background checks for teachers or drug testing for cops and firefighters would be subject to bargaining.”

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