Slow Warm-Up

November 7th, 2012 at 1:52 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

   This is snow cover across North America.  You can see that most of Canada now has snow on the ground.  This will be a source area for cold air as we head into winter.  In the meantime, a slow warm-up is on the way.  Temperatures should reach the mid-upper 40s today, 50 tomorrow and mid 50s on Friday, with low-mid 60s possible over the weekend, before a strong front sends temperatures crashing.  Along the front there will be showers and maybe a thunderstorm.  Behind the front it’ll probably be cold enough for snow showers Monday night into Tuesday.   Today is the 13th day in a row with below average temperatures (we had a similar cool period in 1988, another year with a hot July).  During the past 12 days temperatures have been 5.8 degrees cooler than average.

Satellite loop (daytime) of the storms on the East Coast.  Gust to 60 mph at Buzzards Bay MA, 54 mph Martha’s Vineyard, 53 mph Nantucket.  Heavy snow over parts of Mass. and Conn.  Snowing at Hartford CT and Springfield MA.

108 Responses to “Slow Warm-Up”

  1. Barry in Zeeland says:

    Might be below normal temps, but man, I’ll take a November day like this anytime! Not to many calm and cloudless days in November around here. Perfect day for chopping wood and washing all the cars. Reminds me of pretty much all of last winter!

  2. Brad says:

    Speaking of warm, election projections by Nate Silver, Sam Wang, and other numbers-crunchers (read: mathematicians and scientists) were on fire. Contrast those data-based projections with the finger-in-the-air, pie-in-the-sky “predictions” by Dick Morris, Peggy Noonan, and the like, who called on invisible currents and swelling emotions to lead Mitt Romney to a convincing victory. The data-driven models showed a stable race and stable narrative since mid-October, when Mitt Romney’s post-debate “Romentum” peaked and the race stabilized.

    We see this same pattern of data denial engulfing the modern Right on issues ranging from trickle-down economics to evolutionary biology and global warming. The need to believe is so strong among these folks that facts and data are ignored or eschewed in favor of feelings and emotion. It’s no wonder that the core base of this group is devoutly religious, adhering to an authoritarian supernatural doctrine that they wish to impose on the data- and fact-based population.

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Obama attracted 39% of the white vote, 72% of latinos, and 92% african americans.

      Seems to me like the only things this election taught us was

      1. Our racial divide is unfortunately growing stronger
      2. How to waste $6 billion on campaign advertisements

      Back to weather please.

      1. Brad says:

        Hey, that $6B injected some life into the economy, even if it drove all of us crazy!

        1. Brad says:

          I should also add that the astronomical sums spent on this election by the upper echelon of the 1% suggests they can afford much higher tax rates, which would actually put the money back to work in the economy rather than line the pockets of politicians and lobbyists.

        2. Mark(Okemos) says:

          I’d like to know how much the Postal Service made from the election.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Excellent point, Brad, but didn’t that money do exactly what repubs wanted it to? Trickle down. Bill Steffen and WOOD TV made a fortune off this PROP war. Sad but true and certainly the exception to the rule. LOL

        4. Brad says:

          Good point bigDaddy- I think Bill Steffen just cut another check to the federal government to pay down this debt!

      2. Mark(Okemos) says:

        Your percentages are not surprising. 70+% of Utah voted for guess who?

  3. Irish coffee says:

    “facts eschewed in favor of feelings and emotion” BY CONSERVATIVES?! I suppose you believe “liberals” to be void of emotion and feelings pertaining to socio-political motives then?

    1. Brad says:

      Absolutely. You had the “Unskewed” poll guy, Dean Chambers.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/unskewed-pollster-dean-chambers-nate-silver-election-dick-morris-michael-barone-2012-11

      We had scientific polls, mathematicians, and scientists, including Nate Silver, Sam Wang, and Drew Linzer. A different class of minds.

      1. Brad says:

        You also had Rush Limbaugh, Dick Morris, George Will, Peggy Noonan,…

        All of these supposedly bright people, all so wrong about the election because they have no quantitative sensibilities. And we expect to learn from these people and their friends about economics, policy, and science? Puh-lease!

        1. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

          Give it a rest will ya? Obama hasn’t learned anything about economics during the past 4 years and neither has about half of the voters. I don’t expect any improvement over the next four years either. Already the guy’s talking about taxes on carbon. I’m sure that’ll help the middle class.

        2. Irish coffee says:

          ….as if polls and elections are soooo scientific and empirical! Why are there such high margin of error rates, then? It’s one thing if we are discussing .001%/less margins, but +/- 3 or 4? Hardly qualifies as “scientific”,imo.Please don’t forget the 2000 election when many so-called ‘experts’/media outlets(slightly left of centerfield) called it for GORE later in the game than many of the right-wing prognosticators/pollsters claims for this election…intellectual honesty perhaps?

        3. Brad says:

          Irish, OMG, read about scientific polling before posting. Have you ever heard of confidence intervals or standard deviation?

        4. GunLakeDeb says:

          Perhaps, picking a president IS based on comfort level, role modeling, dreams, and hopes. He is this country’s LEADER, not its accountant. Things of the heart; not the “head”. How can anyone “quantify” that??

        5. Brad says:

          Deb, you’re missing my point, which is about the predictive power of polling data vs. the “hunches” of celebrity “pundits.” It doesn’t matter why people choose to vote for one candidate versus the other, as that is already accounted for by the polling data. In other words, “I will vote for Candidate X, not for Candidate Y” is inclusive of the reasoning.

        6. Cort S. says:

          Nate Silver has an intriguing way of doing things. By the way, he wrote a couple of opinion pieces a couple months ago about how meteorologists are smart. Meteorologists have learned how to deal with the inherent, unavoidable uncertainty in initial conditions within their system, and they have learned to deal with it.

          “The weatherman is not a moron”
          http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/magazine/the-weatherman-is-not-a-moron.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

          “Why weather forecasters are role models”
          http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/why-weather-forecasters-are-role-models/

          What he is basically talking about is meteorology’s use of ensemble models. These are dozens of simulations that get run to predict what the atmosphere will do, and each simulation tweaks the starting values of the current atmosphere just slightly. We can look at all of these ensemble members together to gauge how likely some outcomes are vs. others. For example, would Sandy make a left hook into the East Coast or go out to sea? 80-90% of our GFS ensemble members were going for the East Coast landfall, four days in advance. That gave us abnormally high confidence in our forecast, even though it was such an unusual storm path.

          So with the lessons he learned from meteorologists, Nate Silver developed his own ensemble models, and ran numerous election simulations to see which outcomes would happen more frequently. He would use combinations of the polls as the initial conditions, and he would appropriately apply each poll’s margin of error into the different simulations. This is the most important part for meteorology and election prediction: Understanding and accepting the unavoidable uncertainty in the current measurements that you have, and instead of ignoring them, using them to your advantage!

          I applaud Nate Silver’s sound use of statistical methods. Especially since he took a page out of the weatherman’s handbook! (This should also be a lesson for all of us: weather models are not junk! You just have to know how to interpret them correctly!)

        7. Brad says:

          Great post, Cort.

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          I’d like to see how well you guys like him when he goes to work on climate change. LOL

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          The Antarctic icecap continues to be at near record extent. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png Significantly more ice than last year and way above the historic average.

        10. Brad says:

          Bill, now it’s time for you to explain why an increasing Antarctic ice cap is inconsistent with current climate change models.

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          The Antarctic has had a very cold year. There was a new record low temperature at the South Pole in June. http://notrickszone.com/2012/06/24/university-of-wisconsin-antarctica-south-pole-station-sets-new-record-low-100-8%C2%B0f-media-awol/ July was 8.1 degrees colder than average. An Italian icebreaker got stuck in “some pretty heavy ice”: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/aussie-icebreaker-stuck-near-antarctica/story-e6frfku9-1226501778880

          From the Daily Mail: At the end of the southern winter in September, ice covered 7.51 million square miles (19.44 million sq km) of sea – more than at any time since records began in 1979.

          Now, there have been a couple scientists that have said that colder temperatures and an expanding ice shield would be a sign of global warming…and I reply…so then would a decreasing icecap and warming temperatures be a sign of global cooling???

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          Translated: I can’t so instead I’ll just cherry pick a few stats from this winter.

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          Because we can look at temperatures over Antarctica and see that it’s cold…colder than average. Just like the U.S. was colder than average in the month of October…and wetter than average, too. Golly, we had 14 days in a row with cooler than average temperatures.

      2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Long range weather models are total JUNK! Basically they are never correct, especially if it outside of 4 or 5 days, yet alone a winter forecast. Too funny.

        1. michael g (SE GR) says:

          Joe Bastardi had Sandy forecast to within 100 miles for 10 days before landfall.

        2. Brad says:

          While working out?

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          He can multi-task.

  4. Brad says:

    Here, we have “Unskewed” poll guy Dean Chambers taking on “most accurate” (Bill Steffen’s words) pollster Scott Rasmussen: http://www.businessinsider.com/unskewed-pollster-dean-chambers-nate-silver-election-dick-morris-michael-barone-2012-11

    Meanwhile, data- and fact-based people trusted these analyses:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

    http://election.princeton.edu/

    http://votamatic.org/about-me/

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      In 2008, Rasmussen was the most accurate: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/pew-rasmussen-most-accurate/2012/09/11/id/451377 First, I’d like to see these polls down to tenths of a percent rather than whole numbers. Second, I’d like to see a track record of the poll in the final weeks. A “push poll” is designed not to give an accurate snapshot of the electorate, but to push the electorate by skewing the poll to one side or the other. I think the polls show that there was movement toward Obama in the final few days. This may have occurred for many reasons. Perhaps everyone who hugs Chris Christie gets a bump in the polls and politicians of all stripes will want to schedule a hug with Chris on the Jersey Shore in the next election cycle.

      1. Brad says:

        Rasmussen peformed terribly in the last major election in 2010: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/. Moreover, it is kind of silly to make a call on the “most accurate pollster” based on only the final poll- there is little wiggle room to claim “victory” when all of the polls cluster. The track record over the course of the election season would be more interesting to study. As it stands, at least Rasmussen did not go Gallup and start publishing 7-point leads for Mitt Romney two weeks prior to the election.

        The hurricane/Chris Christie narrative is subject to the same biases as the Peggy Noonan “vibrations,” but Nate Silver took a look at that, too: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/nov-4-did-hurricane-sandy-blow-romney-off-course/

        Bill, did you think Mitt Romney was going to win the election? I am dumbstruck by all of the conservative commentators and “pundits” who were apparently oblivious of statistics and facts this cycle…even the Romney campaign is rumored to have put faith in election modeling derived from its super-secret “ORCA.”

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          There were other signs that influenced. Obama was attracting much smaller crowds than 2008 and much smaller crowds than Romney. Many people thought there was a tangible lack of enthusiasm that would keep some Obama supporters from the polls. I don’t recall seeing what Peggy Noonan wrote. Romney made a push into Pennsylvania and some speculated that polls were moving his way there. An election is a snapshot taken on a particular day. All the polls showed about a 2% swing to Obama in the last couple days. Biden was making a gaff-a-day. Republicans took 63 House seats in 2010. I think the difference was that minorities turned out to support the minority President. They didn’t turn out in those numbers in 2010. Byron York said he was with the Romney’s at 7 PM and they were convinced they were going to win.

          What “statistics” were you referring to?

        2. Brad says:

          Remember the crowds that Barack Obama drew in 2008 in Missouri? He still lost the state. Citing yard signs or crowd size is like adding unnecessary anecdotes to a journal article- they add nothing but confusion. The election went largely as the Bayesian probabilities suggested for 2-3 weeks. There may have been a “Sandy” effect, but any “bump” the president received was not necessary for him to win the election (although Florida likely bounced into his category in the last week).

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          I’ve always wondered if yard signs make a difference. Maybe for a lesser race like a school board race, but I don’t know about a presidential race where the candidates are relatively well known…especially if the signs are just in some empty lot or public parkway. Same for celebrity endorsements. Would you be more inclined to vote for Obama if you knew that Mike Tyson was voting for Obama or that Clint Eastwood or Kid Rock was stumpin’ for Romney?

  5. Bruiseviolet (Cedar Springs) says:

    I am ready for snow.

  6. Rumrunner says:

    Dude! Where’s the winter forecast? Waiting for December this year?

    1. Brad says:

      That was another bad prediction…bigDaddy nailed it though.

      1. Rumrunner says:

        Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        I do. LOL Although Bill’s response was that a broken clock is right twice a day. I just wonder why it’s been so long since he nailed a seasonal forecast.

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        From this thread last May: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2012/05/21/japanese-model-seasonal-forecasts/ “I’m on board with the summer being a little bit warmer than average”

        It was the 2nd warmest July ever in G.R., but August was exactly average and we are slightly cooler than average since August 1.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Which average? …Certainly not the century average.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          The standard NWS/NOAA 30-year average. Everybody uses it accept when they are trying to “adjust” the data. Most people understand that…but I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t. Read this: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/normals/usnormals.html

        3. Brad says:

          Discussions of climate change take into account the entire dataset- not just the adjusted 30-year averages.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          You mean the adjusted, tweaked, made-to-fit, find-a-way-to-fudge-those-warm-temperatures-from-the-1930s downward datasets?

          This is from the State Climatologist of California, Jim Goodridge: http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/goodridge_1996_ca-uhi_county.jpg

        5. Rumrunner says:

          Jesus effin Christ. I just want to know when the damn forecast is coming out.

  7. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Congratulations to President Obama. He won in an electoral landslide, especially after they officially declare Obama won FL. Let all work together and move this country forward. ROCK ON OBAMA!

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      I like your attitude! There will be those who sit and pout because their man or party lost. Maybe I’m getting jaded in my old age, but IMO – things are the same no matter who is in power. We’ve survived long wars, mortgage rates in the teens, scandals and crises and disasters. It’s the PEOPLE, working together, that make this country an amazing place to live :-)

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Well said and I am in 100% agreement!

      2. Irish coffee says:

        Maybe for now…in THIS country.. things can basically remain somewhat within a boundary zone; but in general to comment that “things are the same no matter who is in power”, defies logic when compared against history- see: Hitler, Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Kim Jong Il,etc.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          No doubt. A few others of you must have that romnesia I’ve heard so much about. Certainly, the economy under Bush was dramatically different than under Clinton.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Obama is no Clinton. We had balanced or near-balanced budgets under Clinton. The Obama deficits are astronomical and tragic: http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ExplodingDeficitGDP.jpg We spent 800 BILLION dollars in a stimulus! What did we get for that? Did we get hundreds of new schools? new roads? did we cure a disease? No, in fact, Obama joked about the failed stimulus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p4-vPrcDBo

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Yet Clinton, himself, claims that given what Obama inherited from the GOP, he’d have done no better. How in hell could Obama have done what he did AND balanced the budget. You can’t pay for all those Bush tax cuts, bailout the auto industry, AND utilize those stimulus bills without racking up a certain amount of necessary debt. Give the guy a break. he cleaned up YOUR mess and the country apparently agrees. Most Americans don’t have romnesia.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Obama hasn’t balanced the budget. He’s gone in the other direction, spending is off the charts and getting us nowhere. We spent 800 BILLION dollars in a Stimulus. What did that buy? Where are the new schools? the new expressways? could they even fill a few potholes? And we’re STILL at 8% unemployment! It didn’t work! The Rapid just got a 32 million dollar grant for their new bus line. They could almost buy everyone who rides those late night buses up and down Division a new car with 32 million. Yup, at $25,000 a car…a 32 million dollar grant would buy 1,280 cars!

        5. Brad says:

          Oh, and would it pay for car insurance premiums, maintenance, repairs, gasoline, etc.?

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Are you assuming everyone on a city bus is so poor that they can’t afford a tank of gas? That’s quite an assumption. We’d just throw a tax on those rich guys who own 3 or more bars in G.R. and their rich fathers.

        7. Brad says:

          Way to avoid my point, Bill. I am suggesting that people ride the bus for a reason. We don’t need any more cars on the road.

        8. Paul says:

          That’s a good one Bill and maybe include tree molesters in that tax, lol.

        9. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Brad,

          That’s why those people get JOBS…We Americans are not “entitled” to everything, but we seem to think we are…

          I do agree, and it disgusts me, that some wealthy people own six cars when they don’t need to “waste” their money on so many cars. It really does frustrate me..however, I can not tell them how to use their money….then it becomes socialism…and that is what Obama is all about: handouts for the lower class, while the middle class is screwed because we face the same ” punishments” as the upper class of our money being taken away from us. The upper class can afford it, the middle class can’t…and as a result, more and more middle class are becoming poor and in need of assistance…falling to the feet of the gov’t.

          Socialism

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          That stimulus money wasn’t supposed to be used for roads, Bill. It was used to stimulate the economy, which it did. We’d have slid into a depression otherwise. Sure it was expensive, but so too are those Bush tax cuts and oil subsidies.

          Matt, write your congressman and tell him you want the Bush tax cuts for people making $250 + to end. That’s not socialism. It’s paying your fair share.

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          Be specific – tell us where the stimulus money went. Surely you can point to something specific…new schools? something that would grow the GDP? Stimulate the economy?…it’s at an anemic 1% growth, the stock market had a huge drop, businesses are laying off people left and right this week. Doesn’t sound real good to me. Sucking more money out of the economy won’t create new jobs.

    2. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Worst day for the stock market in a year? FORWARD! Nothing another green energy focused trillion dollar stimulus won’t fix right up! FORWARD!! And tell Helicopter Ben to keep those printing presses going full speed ahead! FORWARD!!!

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Hey, michael. Speculation about more GOP gridlock has investors scared. You guys are G-G-Great for the economy. LOL

        1. michael g (SE GR) says:

          Really? GOP gridlock? The House passed all kinds of bills in the last two years. The Senate refused to even bring them up for debate.

          The whole seperation of powers thing seems to have eluded you. The republicans are under no moral or legal obligation to do whatever Lord Fobama requests.

        2. Cort S. says:

          The Senate be trippin’, it’s all kinds of outta wack! A majority in the Senate for some reason means nothing. You need a “supermajority” to be able to get any wheels turning.

      2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        What was the Dow Jones average when Obama took office and what is it currently?

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          The Market was down 313 points today! It absolutely tanked. Worst loss of the year! No confidence. Get used to 8% unemployment, with more than double that in part-time employment. The looming tax increases coming Jan. 1 (part of that is for Obamacare) will cause a further strain on the economy.

        2. Brad says:

          Bill, re-read the question…no deflection…accept the election…

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          A few comments from this AP article (at Seattle PI): http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Small-business-outlook-for-Obama-s-2nd-term-4017496.php

          “…many small business owners are critical of the president’s performance. They are anxious about taxes and the bulging federal deficit. Many opposed the health care overhaul and complain that they are being squeezed by excess regulations. Expect the divided Congress to battle over Obama’s request to raise the top tax rate on many business owners to 39.6 percent during 2013. That’s the highest personal tax rate, and it affects many small businesses because their owners report their business taxes on their personal returns.

          If the deficit isn’t dealt with soon, taxes will have to rise in the coming years. That would leave small business owners with less money to invest in their companies.”

          “That is ultimately going to be a huge problem. As government grows and the size of the deficit grows, that when you’ll see a drag on economic growth,” said Dr. David Primo, a Professor of Business Administration at the University of Rochester in New York. “Small business owners who are unhappy with regulations created during Obama’s first term are likely to find ways to get around them — particularly when it comes to health care. Some owners reluctant to buy health insurance for employees will make sure their companies don’t have the equivalent of 50 full-time workers — the threshold at which they’d have to provide coverage under the health care law.”

        4. Irish coffee says:

          This is the MOST ludicrous INFERENCE of the day….to somehow suggest/equate rises in Wall Street #’s over 4yrs are in aany way, shape or form attributed to Obama’s policies – doesn’t pass the straight-face test! Seriously?, liberal supporters (like Obama) of the Occupy Wall Street movement, believers in MAKING the rich pay their ‘fair’ share, proponents of BIG government, advocates of MORE financial regulations w/ HIGHER tax rates on investment/wealth – actually ENCOURAGE Wall Street growth and gains and are responsible for spurring confidence in the financial market?????? WOW!

        5. Brad says:

          Irish, fancy that Wall Street has done so well despite President Obama, in your eyes. I guess he doesn’t have that much of an effect on the economy afterall.

        6. Irish coffee says:

          Brad, yes…in spite of Obama’s policies, i agree Wall Street has still rallied.That said, given his adversarial positions on ‘big money’(millionaires/billionaires), i highly doubt he can assume much,if any credit for recnt gains; but if he can manage to pat himself on the back for affecting Wall Street, he must also be intellectually honest & take the credit for increases in un/under employment as well as increase in poverty rates(especially of minorities since taking office- si?

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          Either that OR the trickle-down religion you righties covet has NOTHING to do with Wallstreet’s success or failure. Be logical and think back to how Wallstreet was doing after Bush totally deregulated banks. You can’t put the fox in charge of the henhouse, and that’s why Romney lost.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          The Dow Jones dropped over 400 points in the first two days after the election. Obama can ease fears a bit by naming a Treasury Secretary that 1) has paid his taxes! 2) someone who is at least mildly concerned about small business and jobs 3) someone (Erskine Bowles) who has a handle on the debt issue 4) someone who is interested in 4% growth and knows now to get there, instead of the anemic 1% that we have now and will in the foreseeable future with the looming tax increases and much higher utility costs…there are disincentives to hire right now.

  8. Mike in Hamilton says:

    Remember when we used to talk about weather on the blog?

    1. Haanstar says:

      I agree!! I am tired of politics, I hope we get some good snow soon.

    2. Mike (Mattawan) says:

      I know… i’ve heard nothing EXCEPT politics for the past week… of course Yesterday and Today being EXTREMELY so. Came here to get off the political topic aaaaand….. well theres no escape. :/

      Now that IVE mentioned politics…… Onto weather: it was a nice day today. Even though im not a huge fan of winter, I hope our first snow is a SNOWSTORM and I hope it happens so we get a white thanksgiving… occurring a few days before so that traffic still is going fairly smoothly on turkey day of course. I’ve switched out the mower deck on our lawnmower for the plow and put the chains on the tires. Im ready so BRING ON THE SNOWstorm! (after the first 2 snowstorms or so, knowing ill be sick of the snow, i wouldnt mind to move right onto spring…. haha)

      1. fixxxer says:

        I dont want a white thanksgiving. Maybe a white xmas.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Better yet a green xmas. Santa wants to wear sunglasses and burmuda shorts.

    3. fixxxer says:

      Did we ever just talk about weather?

      1. Mike in Hamilton says:

        you gotta go back a looooong way….

    4. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

      No. It turns out weather was boring.

  9. fixxxer says:

    Bring on the 60s bill!

    1. Brad says:

      Maybe for a day or two…but Bill is trying to bring back the 1860s…er…1850s (1859 was a pesky year).

  10. Hugh says:

    Will somebody, (except bigdaddybc) explain to me why Florida cannot hold a normal election?

    1. TomKap (Michigan St. & Fuller) Grand Rapids says:

      The heat and humidty fries their little brains…

      1. Hugh says:

        I was hoping for a more educated and/or resaonable judgment answer.

    2. fixxxer says:

      Who cares. The better man won. Although tbh their both kinda worthless. Its over quit whining.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Quit whining? Lol…oh, the irony…

        1. Irish coffee says:

          fixxxer asking Hugh to “quit whining” , is akin to Usain Bolt asking another runner to “quit bragging” ;)

    3. joanne says:

      Hugh, it all has to do with voter intimidation/suppression. Floridians were absolutely determined to have their vote count and everything was backed up because of it. It really has nothing to do with normal, but rather it’s a giant prize to win and all of the crooks come out because of it. It’s amazing that this happens, but it really does and Florida is affected more harshly than most other states.

    4. Cort S. says:

      Everything about Florida is crazy. There is a reason why Florida is its own category on the news aggregate site Fark.com.

    5. Mike in Hamilton says:

      you have to remember that the southern 1/2ish of FL is retired New Englanders and the Northern 1/2ISH are basically southern Georgia… It as much two different states as the East and West side of lower Michigan… Add to that Cuban immigrants that may or may not have a deep grasp on the English language, and a ballot the was six pages long…

      may not be hanging chads, but there’s always “something” going on down there… There’s a website called fark.com that is a new aggregate where they collect strange and interesting news from all over the world. their shtick is that the submitters of said news get to write their own headlines. It is categorized under several different topics such as “newsflash”, “interesting”, “asinine”, and “Florida”. Enough weird crap happens in FL to warrant their own tag…

      that might be the best explanation of all…

  11. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

    Now that the election is over, I just want to read about the weather. :)

    I vote for snow. :) :) :)

    1. Barry in Zeeland says:

      And I negate your vote with my own vote for no snow.

    2. Runner1759 says:

      Agreed, how did this posting about a slow warmup turn into a heated debate on the election and climate change. Have they really changed anyones mind. Bring on the snow!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Start at the top and read down thru the comments and you’ll see the usual suspect.

  12. Jack says:

    Oh How I Love GRAND RAPDS, Yes on G.R. Prop. 2 WON, See Ya At. Cue: Small Faces – Itchycoo Park – YouTube

    ► 2:42► 2:42
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM3zyq4D6Ig

  13. kevin. w says:

    Religion, politics and economics are three subjects I talk to myself about so if there are any problems I can only blame myself. GET IT!!!!

  14. Jack says:

    Sitting Here Listening To A Great Old Song about AMERICA…Cue : ► 3:08► 3:08
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMuIipOcl9s
    Jul 24, 2009 – 3 min – rudolfo6666
    Album: Farther Along (1971)

  15. Jeff (Nothern Ionia) says:

    I used to love coming on here each day to read what you guys have posted and learn more about weather, but if all you guys are going to do is talk politics i think i may be leaving for awhile. I can hear this argument at work.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Aw, I was just thinking the same thing.

      I believe last night was our coldest night here along the lake. It was the first time there was frost on the cars by 10 p.m. :)

      1. Skot says:

        here too in Marne.

        1. Jeff (Nothern Ionia) says:

          Definitely had a lot of frost on my car this morning, and the deer were really moving!

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