October 2012

November 10th, 2012 at 1:12 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

     Click on the maps to enlarge.  The first map is October tempeature in the Lower 48 States.  It was a little warmer than average in New England and the Southwest and cool in the middle of the country.  Overall, the month was 0.3 degrees cooler than average nationally.  Rainfall was above average in much of the northern U.S., including Michigan.  It was drier than average in the Southern Plains.  Overall it was slightly wetter than average in the Lower 48 states in October.  The map on the right is precipitation from Hurricane/Super Storm Sandy.  There were a couple spots that reported 12″ of rain in eastern Maryland.  The storm produced record high surges of 13.88 feet at the Battery (Park) in NYC and 10.6 feet in Delaware Bay.  The surge from Sandy was enhanced by landfall occurring within a couple hours of the full moon (and high tide).   Here’s some weather highlights of the month.

217 Responses to “October 2012”

  1. Hugh says:

    No sports thread? I miss it.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Yes, whats the big idea. I thought this blog was about sports and politics?

      1. Hugh says:

        You need to learn the difference betweeen thread and blog

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          You need to know the difference between an intelligent comment and and ignorant one.

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      Sorry, Hugh…didn’t quite get to that. We’ve had our exchange student from 10 years ago come and visit us this week. I’ve been a little busy.

  2. big Daddy BC says:

    LOL I might be mistaken but this is the first time you’ve been able to do a monthly summary for quite a while because for the previous 16 consecutive months, temps have been warmer than average (and we know you’d never post that)!

    It might be important to acknowledge that October is actually warmer than the century average as the thirty year has been adjusted up by 1/2 a degree due to global warming. Another interesting tidbit is that more than 60% of the US is still in moderate to severe drought that’s been ongoing for two years now.

    As an aside, “September 2012 also marks the 36th consecutive September and 331st consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average.” The NOAA team hasn’t compiled the data globally for October yet. Any guesses?

    1. Brad says:

      All America asks is for Bill to forecast the facts.

      http://forecastthefacts.org/

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Excellent!

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Hmmm. Another list of blog links. LOL

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          …And another. LOL Can’t find a scientist to support your ridiculous position?

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Not only could I give you a long list of scientists who are skeptical of climate alarmism, like Dr. Bill Gray, Dr. Reid Bryson, Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Roger Pelkie, Dr. Roger Pelkie Jr., Dr. Tim Ball, Dr. George Taylor, Dr. David Legates – and…I can point to climate alarmists who have become skeptics:

          Dr. Claude Allegre: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388

          Professor James Lovelock: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Scientists? I see Bryson on the list. Wasn’t he one of your professors? True, he was a warming skeptic, but he was also cited in Time Magazine’s 1974 article “Another Ice Age.” He was one of those Bozos who in the ’70s claimed that an ice age was coming!

          Source Watch calls Pat Michaels, “…a largely oil-funded global warming skeptic who argues that global warming models are fatally flawed and, in any event, we should take no action because new technologies will soon replace those that emit greenhouse gases.” Seriously.

          And George Taylor’s on the fence. He believes that CO2 IS a driver of climate change.

          When I said ‘real scientists,’ what I should have said was scientists who are published on the subject. Any biologist or chemist can say they don’t support the climate change model, but your side never produces any scientific support in the form of data that’s been peer reviewed and stood up to professional scrutiny. That’s why you continually link blogs where the only criteria for publication is a keyboard.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Dr. Bryson was a GIANT in the field of Meteorology/Climatology. He published five books and over 230 articles, many of them peer-reviewed. He said in 2007 on CNBC that “you could spit and cause more damage to the environment than doubling CO2 in the atmosphere”. He also said: “”All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it’s absurd,” Bryson continues. “Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air.” He put in a full day at work at the Univ. of Wisconsin even into his mid 80s.

          Dr. Bill Gray is 2 for 2. When the climate alarmist/profiteers were pushing global cooling back in the 70s, Gray was in the minority in saying global temperatures would rise. He also predicted in the late 1990s that global temperature would level off and it has.

          In other news: Global snow cover waaaay above average: http://kyweathercenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SNOW-COVER1.png

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          But Bryson WAS one of the nut-jobs that predicted an ice age in the early 1970s, right? He’s the one that Time Magazine wrote about. LOL Yeah, a real credible fellow. Must be an honor to have learned from him. Of course, it WAS the year before last that you were predicting global cooling.

          AND the temp hasn’t leveled off, Magoo.

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A3.gif

          Far from it. ;)

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          I was there from 1970-74 and worked on the same floor with Dr. Bryson. I never remember him predicting an ice age in the next few decades. Nor could I find anything with a google search. He said “ice ages come at predictable intervals. We’ll probably be in an ice age in about 8,000 years.” I did find this interview with Dr. Bryson:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzYfJP-HWcQ

          Bryson was probably among the 3 most famous climatologists of his age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Bryson

          He wrote 5 books and 230 articles – many of them peer-reviewed.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          “One of the “Fathers of Meteorology,” Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at University of Wisconsin (now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences, was pivotal in promoting the coming ice age scare of the 1970s (See Time Magazine’s 1974 article “Another Ice Age” citing Bryson: & see Newsweek’s 1975 article “The Cooling World” citing Bryson) has now converted into a leading global warming skeptic.”
          http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3490

          1974 Time Magazine: “Another Ice Age,” June 24, 1974 – Excerpt: However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age. [...] Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin’s Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of farming and fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth. [...] Whatever the cause of the cooling trend, its effects could be extremely serious, if not catastrophic. Scientists figure that only a 1% decrease in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth’s surface could tip the climatic balance, and cool the planet enough to send it sliding down the road to another ice age within only a few hundred years

          Oops.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          I just read the article you linked to. It says:

          “Bryson was razor sharp to the very end. One of Bryson’s most cited quotes on his man-made global warming views was: “You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.” (New peer-reviewed studies are validating Bryson’s views.) Bryson was a legend in his field and we will be greatly missed and appreciated.” It says nothing about him forecasting an ice again in the year 2012. Guess you thought we wouldn’t read the link!

          Go to bigDaddy’s link here and read about a fantastic, world-renowned climatologist: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3490

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          I’m glad you read it. I wouldn’t put up a link otherwise. But you’re telling another half truth. He may have been ‘razor sharp’ in his later years, and that’s great for anyone over eighty, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t forecast an ice age. Point is, he was a climate extremist and was instrumental in the ice age scare of the ’70s.

          Google: 1974 Time Magazine: “Another Ice Age”

          If you want to hook your cart to people like this, go ahead, but the rest of the scientific world scoffs at such extremism.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Quit distorting and smearing a great man (no not Michael G, Mike M., Paul or Irish)…I’m talking about Dr. Reid Bryson. Go here and read about him: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3490 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Bryson

          He just said eventually, we’d get another ice age. Pretty much everyone believes that. He also thought the next ice age could come in about 8,000 years…not in 20 years.

          While you’re waiting for the next ice age, check out this site:

          http://iceagenow.info/

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          Interesting you’d call Paul a great man. He makes racist, sexist, and bigoted remarks on here regularly and you think he’s ‘great.’ Takes one to know one, huh?

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          Yeah, and you’re a proven liar. You wrote here that Romney was a polygamist. He’s not. You lied.

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          Romney is a polygamist. He’s also an axe murderer, a bank robber, and a magical fairy.

          NOAA says we’re on track for the warmest year on record:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        14. Bill Steffen says:

          GLOBAL temperature Jan. 1 thru Nov. 15 (NASA IR data) is 0.043 degrees warmer than average. That’s 43/thousands of a degree or approx. 4/100 degree warmer than average…or essentially average. Nortb American and the Arctic have been significantly warmer than average. Most of the rest of the world has been slightly cooler than average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          Weatherbell is a right-wing site.
          We don’t believe it, but we do believe NASA and NOAA.

          These are from NASA
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          NASA raw IR data says the GLOBE (not just the lower 48 states) is only 0.043 degree warmer than average for 2012. North America and the Arctic have been warm…most of the rest of the world has been cool. It’s a trend:

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        17. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s this, the 25th time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

          As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        18. Bill Steffen says:

          Don’t believe the climate profiteers.

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        19. big Daddy BC says:

          That might be the fiftieth time you’ve posted the same thing.

          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

          Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        20. Bill Steffen says:

          Stop the Climate Profiteers!

          http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house

          http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

          GISS data clearly shows steady temperatures over the past decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          HadCRUT and HadSST show the same thing: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CFMIzh00

  3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Time to hit the links! ROCK ON!

  4. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Look at those warm global temps right now. Lots of warmer than average air all throughout Canada.

    http://policlimate.com/weather/current/raw_temp_c.html

  5. Snowmizer says:

    Where is the winter forecast from the news stations. And I thought we where told that it was going to be a snowier Nov. then last year. Yes we still have a few weeks left, but it does not sound like it is going to get cold and snowy.

  6. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Yep, nothing proves global warming like a map of weather showing temperature anomolies from one day in July

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Oops wrong link sorry ha

  7. michael g (SE GR) says:

    How about this. Over the last 15 years, CO2 levels have continued to go up. Worldwide temps HAVEN’T!! It is not warming.

    https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/266671413837045760/photo/1

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Actually, Mike. I’m not sure where you’ve been hiding, but temps have been going up, up, up! Last July was the hottest month the northern hemisphere has ever had! From September back was the hottest consecutive 12 months. We haven’t had a month below average in the last sixteen!

      1. michael g (SE GR) says:

        Look at the chart Kev. Since 98 the temperature has been flat to falling overall. One warm month in one hemisphere is NOT proof of global warming.

        Oh, and a side note, the government upped it’s estimate for the corn and soybean harvest, saying maybe the drought wasn’t as bad as they thought. This past summer was nothing compared to the 1930′s.

      2. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

        Ever recorded? Arguably, but if you’re thinking hottest ever since day one (earth’s creation,) that might be a stretch. Just sayin’….

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

        (NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) Global Monthly Mean Surface Temperature Anomaly – 1996 to Present)

      4. big Daddy BC says:

        Right on, Ned. Yes – ever recorded.

        Michael, might want to consider that the plants are different. We’ve hybridized corn and soy to produce more biomatter with less water.

      5. Irish coffee says:

        GRAPH shows a COOLING rate of .12C /CENTURY for 15 year period ending Sep 30th 2012…vs a +1.18/century warming rate that was recorded for 15 year period leading up to ’97- in SPITE of massive increase in greenhouse gases/CO2 over past 15 years…hmmm

      6. big Daddy BC says:

        Here’s a better, more easily understood comparison. It’s the last 11 years measured against the hundred year average.

        http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/cdrar/do_ModEmap.py

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s the NASA giss data. I can’t seem to find your graphic anywhere on here. You didn’t pull it off another right-wing blog did you? LOL

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Your graph stops in 2005 or 2006…my calendar says its almost 2013. Second, your graph has a base of 1951-1980. That was the coldest 30-year period in the climate record. NOAA now uses the current 1981-2010 climate base average: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/normals/usnormals.html

          The graph I posted is correct…steady temperatures for the past 10 years.

        3. Irish coffee says:

          Not to mention …not a single AGW scientist 10-15 years ago predicted such a flatline/nearly steady state….so much for 100% ‘expert’ consensus! So where’s NPR?, NYT’s?MSNBC? Surely such a BREAKING NEWS STORY on how ALL AGW scientists swung/missed on their progs(unabated warming-induced by humans) warrants at least a page 666 reference, no? Perhaps their true colors(of BIAS) are being shown?..as we shouldn’t really expect them to be sharing good news of averting drastic temp. increase/subsequent global annihilation when it goes against their agenda-driven POWER AND CONTROL the masses scheme, should we?

        4. Irish coffee says:

          Considering wind/solar energy requires ONLY 75-250 ACRES of land for every 1 acre required by conventional power plants, let’s just ‘reassign’ wildlife a la eviction notices: “get out of paradise …put up a ‘parking lot” of WIND TURBINES!!!

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Every graph on that site is current. They don’t flatline like you’d suggest, so I suggest you have another look.
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

          Perhaps, Irish, the reason there’s no outrage among reporters or corporate news agencies is because there’s nothing to be outraged about. Your imaginary scenario only exists on FOX NEWS. I’m sure there’s a lot of outrage among Murdoch’s panel of professional liars, but that’s always the case.

          Follow my link and then inform me which graph you’re talking about.
          BTW, you still owe me on that bet from last year. Pay up, Chump!

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          You can’t pick a climate average just to adjust the data to fit a preordained political conclusion. No one uses the 1951-1980 climate average, except to pick the coldest 3-decade period in history to make the current numbers look warmer. NOAA uses the current 1981-2010 climate average (though it would also be OK to use the entire climate record if you can show that there has not been an increase in temperature due to obvious urbanization http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=12970) Here’s the official word from NOAA: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/normals/usnormals.html

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          No one uses that period? NASA clearly does. Are you saying that NASA’s operating under a preordained political conclusion? LOL With every post you look crazier and crazier. Now NASA’s joined the liberals to steal your freedoms, raise your taxes, take your guns, and cause skyrocketing energy costs!

          Coo-Coo

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          Hansen (at NASA) uses these numbers…NASA gets 2 billion a year from the regime for “global warming”. Hansen’s been arrested twice: http://blogs.nature.com/news/2010/09/nasas_james_hansen_in_handcuff.html He’s a political zealot who can’t be trusted. He “adjusts” the past to make it cooler. It’s kind of like “using Mike’s TRICK to HIDE the decline”.

          GISS data clearly shows steady temperatures over the past decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          HadCRUT and HadSST show the same thing: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CFMIzh00

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          So NASA, NOAA, and Berkeley are all in cahoots to trick the public into driving more fuel efficient cars? That’s their plan? NOAA really wants you to recycle because they get what? I mean you’re actually accusing NASA of falsifying their climate data? Have you had your meds today? And now Cryosat and the Japanese Met. Association are on board along with the World Meteorological Association to try to trick you into turning the lights off when you leave because it’s all a part of a bigger plot to give less money to Exxon. Poor Exxon. What did they ever do to deserve this? Why are all these scientists picking on coal and oil barons. It’s just not fair!!

          Here’s something from the World Meteorological Association:
          http://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/causes_of_climate_change.php

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Dr. Curry is part of the BEST group from Berkeley. Temperatures have held steady over the past decade.

          The public is using more energy efficient cars. They are driving them by choice, not because they were forced to drive them by sniveling statists. I’ve always thought the Prius was a good car…the Chevy Cruze gets great gas mileage. I even have no problem with the Volt, except for the massive subsidy it gets. It should compete on an even playing field with other cars.

          CO2 emissions are at a 20-year low: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UKQ18mcV-So No need to force skyrocketing utility bills and $9 a gallon gasoline on the middle class, the elderly, the poor, those on fixed income, special needs individuals, minorities and children.

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          So where’s the conspiracy then? Is it with the politicians, the corporations, the scientists??? You continually accuse, accuse, accuse, but never come up with any details to support your accusations. Is it Al Gore? Hansen? The IPCC? Who stands to profit from all these lies?

          SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATIONS!

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          The conspiracy is you “climate profiteers” grabbing bucketfuls of middle class tax money to spend on boondoggles like Solyndra (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house) and LG Chem (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle) and to force “skyrocketing” utility rates and “European gas prices” on the poor, the middle class, the elderly, minorities, the disabled, women, those on fixed income and children.

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          Again, support? So where’s the conspiracy then? Is it with the politicians, the corporations, the scientists??? You continually accuse, accuse, accuse, but never come up with any details to support your accusations. Is it Al Gore? Hansen? The IPCC? Who stands to profit from all these lies? And who’s masterminding the whole boondoggle?

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          So who’s behind it all? Who’s Doctor Evil here? Is it Al Gore? Obama? Who’s gotten every university and meteorological institutions together and convinced them to pretend the climate’s changing? LOL

          NOAA says we’re on track for the warmest year on record:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          2012 is only 0.043 degree warmer than average GLOBALLY. GLOBALLY. That’s the entire earth! The Lower 48 states are only 1.58% of the area of the Earth. Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years:

          GLOBAL temperature Jan. 1 thru Nov. 15 (NASA IR data) is 0.043 degrees warmer than average. That’s 43/thousands of a degree or approx. 4/100 degree warmer than average…or essentially average. Nortb American and the Arctic have been significantly warmer than average. Most of the rest of the world has been slightly cooler than average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        16. big Daddy BC says:

          Weatherbell is a right-wing site. We don’t believe it, but we do believe NASA and NOAA:

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        17. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years. Stop the climate profiteers!!!! No more Solyndras: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house No more LG Chems: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

          Money that we could have used for education! And it’s all wasted!

        18. big Daddy BC says:

          Stop old, rich, white men from stealing our tax dollars!
          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

          Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

      7. Bill Steffen says:

        GLOBALLY, temperatures are flat…leveled off…say NO to the climate profiteers! No more Solyndras! http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house No more LG Chems! http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle Let’s have some accountability!

        Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

        http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

        No warming last 10 years:

        http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

        No warming last 10 years:

        http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

        No warming last 10 years:

        Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

      8. big Daddy BC says:

        Here’s a global picture of climate from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

        http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

        Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

        http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          The Antarctic icecap continues to grow. It’s much bigger than last year and near a historic record high extent.

          GISS data clearly shows steady temperatures over the past decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          HadCRUT and HadSST show the same thing: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CFMIzh00

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      What’s this, the 24th time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

      As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

      These are from NASA:
      http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

      These are from NOAA:
      http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Global temperatures are flat. Steady for the past 10 years. You have no credentials bigDaddy – only lies (like when you said Romney was a polygamist) and distortion.

        Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

        http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

        No warming last 10 years:

        http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

        No warming last 10 years:

        http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

        No warming last 10 years:

        Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Global temps ARE flat, flat out HOT! We’ll be in year three of our N.A. drought if it continues.

        Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

        http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

        Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

        http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        Global temperatures for 2012 are average (+0.043 degree). While central North America has had a warm year (Grand Rapids is slightly COOLER than average since August 1st), much of the rest of the globe has had a cooler than average year.

        BUT the Antarctic icecap has been getting BIGGER for 25 years!

        http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

        Antarctic ice is not only well above the average extent, but has grown substantially in the past year: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

        Your comment ” Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s” is totally false. First of all, temperature wasn’t measured accurately over MOST of the globe 100 years ago. Second, everyone was talking global COOLING in the mid-late 1970s because global temperature had dropped from the 1940s to the late 1970s.

        Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years: http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

        Here’s Antarctica: http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

  8. Marti B (Grandville area) says:

    So, what is winter 2012/13 going to be like Bill? I think it’s going to do the same as it did last year….cold, snow and then a warm up, snow melts and it rains. I think it’s going to do that all of winter just like it did last year. I don’t especially like getting around in the snow, and all the winter wear we have to put on to stay warm, but even I would love to have a “normal” Michigan winter for once. :)

    My nephew is getting married in January – they’re the snow ski buffs. They’re going to Vancouver, BC for their honeymoon! He wants a “normal” Michigan winter too – with lots of snow and cold.

  9. Stephen says:

    My bet would be another warm winter for winter lovers…

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Winter may be non existent again, however I am sure many experts will predict above average snowfall.

  10. mike[kalamazoo county] says:

    Finally some good weather to finish harvest about 3 more days and it’s clean up and put away time for equipment. Havent had much time to read bill’s blog with good weather but I see big daddy still has to much time on his hands

  11. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I don’t know what is worse listening to people bicker over global warming or politics! It is close call, however I will vote politics first and global warming a close second!!!

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Exactly… people need to go out and enjoy the weather!

    2. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

      Unfortunately, politics and global warming are joined at the hip.

    3. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Global warming IS politics. Convince people it is a problem, and then use it to control how they live.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        I agree. Convince people there isn’t a problem so they continue to be loyal consumers.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Now you’re making my point for me? LOL That’s right. The billionaires and the corporate media are having an effect. Like I said, convince people that there isn’t a problem and they’ll continue to be loyal consumers.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Another WOOD FOR TREES link? Is that some college or met institution I’m unaware of? LOL Let’s try NASA, shall we?

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A3.gif

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          You’ve linked to that image before. Your image stops in 2006. It’s now almost 2013!! It’s been “adjusted” and it uses an old climate base average. This is much more up-to-date: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Are you drunk?! I’ve never linked that image AND it runs to 2012. Put the martini down and look again, old timer.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s a whole page of current graphs for you, weatherman.
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Look at your last link and scroll down to “Global Monthly Mean Surface Temperature Change”. That’s the graph that I linked to! You can clearly see that global temperature has been flat for the last decade.

          The other maps use the same outdated 1951-1980 climate base average. The only reason that “handcuffs” Hansen uses that average is to inflate the temperatures. NO ONE else uses that base. The entire NWS uses the latest 30-year average of 1981-2010: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/normals/usnormals.html You can’t rely on a rabid zealot lawbreaker like Hansen for credible information: http://blogs.nature.com/news/2010/09/nasas_james_hansen_in_handcuff.html

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          Outdated? LOL If it’s good enough for NASA, it’s good enough for you. Even if you adjust the average to include the warmest decades (most recent), the trend doesn’t change. The slope continues up, uP, UP!!

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A3.gif

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s “adjusted” data…raw data shows it was warmer in the 1930s. 24 of the 50 states still have their all-time record high temperature from the 1930s (75+ years later) and only one since 1995. That’s despite the fact that we have 20 times as many weather stations that could record a heat record. Now check the continental records: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalextremes.html

          GISS global temperature 1996-2012: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          HadCRUT and HadSST2 show the same thing: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          CO2 leveling off with the temperatures: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1

          Don’t let the climate profiteers make your utility bills skyrocket! Don’t let them tax gasoline prices to “European levels”.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          In fifty words or less, please explain how NASA’s data IS ‘adjusted’ and why these statisticians are doing it, because it seems like a giant conspiracy. Is NASA and NOAA in cahoots? Is Al Gore behind the whole coverup? Why do they continue to produce all these graphs that seem to indicate it’s getting warmer when, in fact, it was so much warmer eighty years ago? Something’s fishy here, Bill. Please teach us rather than posting links to right-wing blogs.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          The USA temperature trend calculated from unadjusted Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) data shows the 1930s as the warmest decade, around 0.2 K warmer than 2000-2009. The calculated temperature trend is based on data from 826 stations, and is virtually identical to that of Hansen et al. 1999 [1].

          The calculated temperature trend 1930-2010 is around 0.5 K colder than the updated 2011 GISS US temperature trend [2], and around 0,4 K Colder than temperature trend calculated from Hadcrut stations in USA.

          Note that Hansen used the Unadjusted Data in 1999 – it was only after that time that he became a rabid political zealot and adjusted the older readings to look colder so he could make the present look warmer.

          Many climatologists have disassociated themselves from Hansen’s chicanery:

          John Nielsen-Gammon, the state climatologist of Texas said this: “I still disagree with Dr. Hansen, both on his interpretation and some of his analysis.”

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          So I’ll take that to mean that you not only know what adjustments were made, but why they were made or IF they were made. Why not just say you have no idea, it’s the company line. LOL

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          So again, you can’t tell me what adjustments were made OR why. You’re a professional meteorologist who’s said time and again that he’s opposed to the ‘adjusted’ temperature record that makes it ‘look’ as if it’s getting warmer, but you can’t say why. Shouldn’t you know why? http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

          Even the Catholic Church feels it’s our moral obligation to reduce greenhouse gases. You’re a self-described deacon yet you go against your own church?
          http://catholicclimatecovenant.org/

        14. Bill Steffen says:

          You can adjust all you want…make the past cooler (kind of like “use Mike’s TRICK to HIDE THE DECLINE) and the present warmer (kind of like “use Mike’s TRICK to HIDE THE DECLINE), but you can’t fudge the raw temperatures and people are catching onto you. The truth is that global temperatures have leveled off in the past decade:

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          So, again, you cannot explain what adjustments you’re talking about. LOL How can you accuse the scientists of improperly adjusting temps when you don’t even know what they did or why? What a fool.

          NOAA says we’re on track for the warmest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          http://jennifermarohasy.com/2009/06/how-the-us-temperature-record-is-adjusted/

          GLOBAL temperature almost exactly average for 2012 (+0.043 degree): http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          GLOBAL temperature has been steady for 10 years:

          GLOBAL temperature Jan. 1 thru Nov. 15 (NASA IR data) is 0.043 degrees warmer than average. That’s 43/thousands of a degree or approx. 4/100 degree warmer than average…or essentially average. Nortb American and the Arctic have been significantly warmer than average. Most of the rest of the world has been slightly cooler than average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        17. big Daddy BC says:

          Weatherbell is a right-wing site. We don’t believe it, but we do believe NASA and NOAA!!

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        18. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s NASA raw IR data. It’s available on the web and you can plot it yourself if you wish! You’ll get the same map! The truth is that GLOBALLY, temperatures have leveled off:

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        19. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s this, the 23rd time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

          As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        20. Bill Steffen says:

          Over the entire Earth, temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        21. big Daddy BC says:

          You’re right. Temps have been steadily warming.
          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

          Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        22. Bill Steffen says:

          The Antarctic icecap has been getting BIGGER for 25 years!

          http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          Antarctic ice is not only well above the average extent, but has grown substantially in the past year: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          Your comment ” Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s” is totally false. First of all, temperature wasn’t measured accurately over MOST of the globe 100 years ago. Second, everyone was talking global COOLING in the mid-late 1970s because global temperature had dropped from the 1940s to the late 1970s.

          Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years: http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          Here’s Antarctica: http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

      2. Steve T - Hudsonville says:

        Right on Michael, since the fall of man, there has been the struggle between those who desire to dictate, mandate and control vs those who cherish freedom and personal responsibility. I think we all know which side ole Big Daddy BC/Brad fall on :)

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          One of your PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITIES is to leave a healthy world to your children. That’s neither liberal or conservative. It’s moral.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          You ought to be concerned about the MASSIVE and UNSUSTAINABLE U.S. DEBT and our ability to fund the programs you are so passionate about. It’s close to $50,000 PER PERSON! nearly $200,000 for a family of four!! You also ought to be concerned about a weak economy providing fewer jobs for our children and grandchildren. We also have college costs going up significantly faster than the rate of inflation, leaving many of our young people with significant student loans and tenuous job prospects.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Blah, blah, blah! Yet you cheered the governor on while he cut funding to colleges to give tax breaks to the 1%ers. Where was your outrage about the debt when Bush and Cheney were spending billions on an unnecessary war and ridiculous tax breaks? Where’s your outrage about paying billions to Exxon in unnecessary subsidies? Quit giving us the company line. The American people have spoken. We don’t support your trickle down BS!

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          The people defeated the narrow special interests…you and the fat-cat bosses and the Maroun family. You want more money for colleges and more debt for students. You want more wasteful spending, more cronyism (like Solyndra and LG Chem) and no accountability. You waste not just our money, but you send the bill to our children and grandchildren. Greedy and shameful. We’re rejecting the repressive, regressive policies of collectivism and moving on to strengthen small business and achievement.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Indiana? The special interests are the corporations that spent almost $40 billion to defeat Prop 2. Those you’re referring to are the working people of this state. It’s too bad you think the middle class is a special interest group. We’re THE PEOPLE!

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s the link I got from YOU: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_%22Protect_Our_Jobs%22_Amendment,_Proposal_2_%282012%29 Heckuva difference in funding on this website…over 8 million to $340,000. That’s what the website reports. And YOU were the one that posted this link here on the blog…thanks, we appreciate it.

          Note the final vote tally – Proposal 2 went down like the 2008 Detroit Lions.

          The link shows that the support for the bill came almost exclusively from very narrow special interests…and the final vote reflected that. The middle class rejected Proposal 2.

          It went down like a like the Tigers in the World Series.

        7. Irish coffee says:

          UNIONS are too involved in buying power & influence from the gov’t.That is why they fear competition. Protecting their power base/”rights”(i.e-NEA/MEA) is MORE important than raising the bar/standards of education and serving CHILDREN w/ the BEST education.They do NOT welcome vouchers(which would help poor, inner-city, minority groups).They oppose other privatized school choices, and aren’t crazy about home-school options- both of which perform at higher levels of achievement on avg. vs public schools.Truly, if best performance was the agreed on goal/outcome….public entities would WELCOME the challenge from other’s to compete and outperform their narrow-minded self-interests…..UNLESS, maintaining power and control were their ultimate goals ;(

        8. Irish coffee says:

          BDBC- i would be willing to concede Bush spent to much.That said, i don’t think the answer is to spend even MORE.Taxing the rich isn’t the answer either as it will only shift the burden back to the workers via higher under & unemployment rates- as you really don’t think those selfish b’s are just gonna suck up the losses and NOT pass it down so-to-speak, do you? Making the upper-class pay their “fair” share will only serve to dilute our economic power and growth. Fair or FLAT tax rate makes more sense- see:tithing 10%- that way everyone pays an equal proportion of their income/wealth/gains,etc..w/obvious provisions(exemptions) for truly handicapped/poor.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Charter schools do not perform better than public schools on average. They perform better than public schools 17% of the time. They tie with public schools another 30% of the time and they lose to public schools 53% of the time. Now consider that they get to pick and choose their students, have a unionless teaching staff, and are not held to the same standards as public schools. Sorry, Charlie.

          As far as unions buying political influence goes? We have special interests buying political influence at every level. What do you think the Mackinac Center or Corn Lobby do? Unfortunately, politicians won’t limit these beasts, so we’re stuck with them. What you have to take into account is where these organizations get their money. Unions get there money from working people, the middle class…Moms and Dads. The others get theirs from corporations. Shouldn’t the middle class have a seat at the table?

          And I must disagree about trickle down economics, once again. Asking the wealthy, which have gained a tremendous share of America’s assets over the last two decades, to kick some of that cash back is totally reasonable and essential to digging us out of this mess. Part of what got us here was unburdening the wealthy from those pesky taxes. Enough is enough. Besides, the middle class creates most of the jobs in this country. Give us the tax breaks and we’ll turn things around!

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          If charter schools only outperform public schools “by 17%”, why are there long waiting lists for families who want to choose a charter school for their children?

          http://www.annarbor.com/news/education/new-ypsilanti-area-charter-school-turns-away-670-enrollees-for-first-year/ Get that…670 turned away! And that’s liberal Ann Arbor!!!

          Now, check out this article: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/archives/2012/110912NYT-setback.pdf Here in Michigan over 600,000 Democrats voted against Proposal 2. Wow!

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          CapCon is produced by the Mackinac Center billionaires club who’s sole purpose is to privatize public education. I don’t think we’ll trust them.

          As far as Charter schools go, I didn’t say there weren’t some good ones. I just said they’re outperformed by public schools in every way that counts.

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          The article at the link is THE NEW YORK TIMES. Check it out again: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/archives/2012/110912NYT-setback.pdf Are you hoping readers don’t check you’re links?

          If public schools consistently “outperform” charter schools, then the charter schools will fade away. As it is, thousands of minority children are on waiting lists to get into charter schools. There’s 670 at that one school! Be pro-choice, bigD – give these poor minority children a choice.

        13. Irish coffee says:

          I was referring to ALL private vs public schools(not solely charter)..including parochial/religious schools + home schooling,etc. In terms of class size(teacher-student ratio), drop-out rates, achievement levels, performance (test scores) in math & reading, scores on SAT/ACT= no comparison; private sources outperform public.If they didn’t, people wouldn’t be throwing $5,000-$10,000+/yr. down the drain for nothing.

        14. Irish coffee says:

          600,000 Dems? WOW!…nice to finally see some BI-partisan support for a change!

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          I’m assuming, Irish Alcoholic, that you have some data to support your claims.

          BTW, Bill went to a Catholic school and he still doesn’t understand the scientific method. LOL

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s right here in the N.Y. Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/business/in-michigan-a-setback-for-unions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

          “The proposal was defeated even though Mr. Obama won the state, 54 to 46 percent, attracting 2.5 million votes. Proposal 2 garnered 600,000 fewer votes, indicating that many Democrats turned against labor on this issue.”

        17. big Daddy BC says:

          Again, old man. Follow the conversation. We’re not talking about Prop 2. Somebody escort Mr. Steffen back to his bedroom.

        18. Bill Steffen says:

          Charter schools are rockin’. Be Pro-Choice. Support good public schools AND good private and charter schools:

          http://www.charterschools.org/press-room/1244

        19. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since 1976.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

          Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        20. Bill Steffen says:

          The Antarctic icecap has grown to a near-historic areal extent because of cold temperatures:

          BUT the Antarctic icecap has been getting BIGGER for 25 years!

          http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          Antarctic ice is not only well above the average extent, but has grown substantially in the past year: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years: http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          Here’s Antarctica: http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

        21. big Daddy BC says:

          So as the glaciers melt in Alaska, Montana, Canada, and Iceland, you take solace in the fact that the south pole has not seen as dramatic a reduction in sea ice?

          You sound stupid.

  12. Brian(Grandville) says:

    Might have to get the golf clubs out of the closet tomorrow. Thank you industrial and manufacturing industries for making this possible. Would never have seen 60′s in November without you. EVER

    1. Skot says:

      WAAAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA

  13. KevinS (Saugatuck) says:

    Had enough of the politics…this a weather blog
    or not?? Winter forecast or not? Seriously…who cares, you all will dead and gone before it matters so what’s the point. Let’s talk fotrecast and weather or let’s make a separate blog.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      ROCK ON!

  14. PAUL says:

    37 years ago today the Edmund Fitzgerald sunk in Lake Superior.

    1. Hugh says:

      You’re right. I remember the day and the song. Also visited the museum in the UP. We should remember those who perished that day.

  15. Matt says:

    When will winter prediction be ready?

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Maybe never. He may never give you another winter outlook based on last years debacle. It should be noted that all of the experts got the forecast wrong last winter! I prefer to use the trusted and accurate long range RDB ensemble models!

  16. Becky says:

    I just came here to see a winter prediction, and I got a link war about climate change. Just my personal preference, but I’d like the blog to stay on track with factual weather predictions and reports instead of veering into politics. I mean, above you go on a rant about the debt? It doesn’t seem very professional to me. Again, just my opinion.

    I see a lot of people asking, but no answer–I too am curious about your Winter 2012-2013 forecast–wondering why it’s later this year, but looking forward to hearing your take.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The threads are mostly about weather and the comment flow gets interrupted by those who have a political/financial (we in the weather office call them “climate profiteers”) interest in controlling the flow of “free” speech. I could set up a separate thread for them to vent, but they won’t play by that rule. They register anonymously using a false email address because they are not interested in private conversation. They are used to having control and get bent when their talking points are challenged. In my opinion, the debt will eventually become a bigger issue than the daily weather. Our country has made promises that it cannot keep.

      1. Brad says:

        Becky, notice that Bill chose to address politics with several lines, but failed to address your question about his winter forecast? Interesting…

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Good point!

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          I haven’t decided whether to do a full winter forecast (we’ve still got more than a month of autumn), or to let information out in bits and pieces. The election took up the time when we usually do a winter forecast and the G.R. Press went with the NWS forecast and didn’t call the TV meteorologists for their seasonal guesses (and that’s what they are).

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Please call for a cold winter again.

          Where’s the return of the ice age your old college professor, Bryson, called for in the early ’70s!?

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures have held steady for a decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          Global temperature this year to date (Nov. 12): +0.042 degree (essentially average).

          Worldwide snow cover now WAY above average: http://kyweathercenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SNOW-COVER1.png

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Your image shows anomalous monthly means, lol. That graphic wasn’t meant to show a temp trend. Here’s a whole page of graphs, including the one you posted. Anyone can see the trend is crystal clear. Hot, HOt HOT!!!

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          You can’t just pick 1951-1980 for a base average just to promote your political extremism. Temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years. It’s seen in the GISS data: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif It’s seen in the HadCrut data: http://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/Bilder_Dateien/Frey_HansenNichtCO2/hansen_bild3.png

          Climatologists confirm the data: This is a quote from Dr. Judith Curry: “The Hadcrut 4 figures that show a ‘pause’ in warming lasting nearly 16 years are drawn from more than 3,000 measuring stations on land and at sea. Hadcrut 4 is one of several similar global databases that reveal the same thing: that since January 1997 there has been no statistically significant warming of the Earth’s surface.”

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220722/Global-warming-The-Mail-Sunday-answers-world-warming-not.html#ixzz2CAARrwk8
          Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          So NASA’s now a political extremest organization??

          What ever period they want to use for comparison is fine with me…AND THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD! Besides, what difference does the comparative make? We’re talking about a trend. Any apology for reading the graphs wrong and accusing me of posting out of date graphics? Curry was wrong and has recanted.

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          James Hansen is a rabid political zealot. He’s been arrested twice: http://blogs.nature.com/news/2010/09/nasas_james_hansen_in_handcuff.html Many climatologists have publically disassociated themselves from Hansen:

          Here’s John Nielsen-Gammon, the state climatologist of Texas: “I still disagree with Dr. Hansen, both on his interpretation and some of his analysis.”

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Who’s talking about Hansen? Have you lost your mind???

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s the low down on Anthony “Heartland Institute” Watts:

          http://wottsupwiththat.com/

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/2408/20121110/election-results-florida-mitt-romney-loses-key.htm

          Wow, Obama EVEN won Florida. Your magic underwear wearing animal abuser got a good old fashioned skunkin’. LOL

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          Proposal 2, which would have enshrined collective bargaining in the state constitution, lost in a landslide 58%-42%.

          Check this out: http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/12GEN/90000002.html

          Proposal 2 lost in 81 of 83 Michigan counties!

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/2408/20121110/election-results-florida-mitt-romney-loses-key.htm

          Wow, Obama EVEN won Florida. Your magic underwear wearing animal abuser got a good old fashioned skunkin’.

        14. Bill Steffen says:

          Now you’re cut-and-pasting your own comments. LOL!!

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          At least it’s me reposting rather than some intern posing as me. LOL

          NOAA says this will be the warmest year on record:

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          The GLOBAL average temperature (not just the Lower 48) is just 0.043 degree warmer than average for 2012 (essentially average). North America and the Arctic have been warmer than average. Most of the rest of the world has been cooler than average.

          GLOBAL temperature Jan. 1 thru Nov. 15 (NASA IR data) is 0.043 degrees warmer than average. That’s 43/thousands of a degree or approx. 4/100 degree warmer than average…or essentially average. Nortb American and the Arctic have been significantly warmer than average. Most of the rest of the world has been slightly cooler than average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        17. big Daddy BC says:

          Weatherbell is a right-wing site!! We don’t believe it, but we do believe NASA and NOAA.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        18. Bill Steffen says:

          And the New York Times is a left-wing site, and look at what they wrote! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/business/in-michigan-a-setback-for-unions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        19. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s this, the 22nd time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

          As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        20. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        21. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

          Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

          I can go all night

        22. Bill Steffen says:

          While the areal extent of the Arctic icecap has decreased, the Antarctic icecap has done the opposite. It’s been increasing in size – up to historical record levels in September:

          BUT the Antarctic icecap has been getting BIGGER for 25 years!

          http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          Antarctic ice is not only well above the average extent, but has grown substantially in the past year: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          Your comment ” Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s” is totally false. First of all, temperature wasn’t measured accurately over MOST of the globe 100 years ago. Second, everyone was talking global COOLING in the mid-late 1970s because global temperature had dropped from the 1940s to the late 1970s.

          Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years: http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          Here’s Antarctica: http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

  17. mike[kalamazoo county] says:

    BDBC where exactly does a labor union fit in a global economy? Seems to me in the era of global free trade until U.S. wages fall to the rest of the worlds level or global wage rates rise to the U.S. level unions are powerless manufacturing will be done outside of the U.S. the epa plays a large role in the decline of U.S. manufacturing as well..
    The middle class is getting smaller due to free trade. Farming in the U.S. has thrived under free trade because the industry has ran on a least cost basis for many years we buy retail and sell wholesale the U.S. has had cheap food for decades providing that taught us how to compete with the world.
    Seems like it was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Interesting thoughts. My argument would be that we’ll never compete with labor costs in third-world countries so we need to play to our strengths…innovation, productivity, and quality. To suggest that we lower our standard of living to that of an employee in a Taiwanese sweat shop just to be competitive is ludicrous. The auto industry is a good example of what’s right with American labor. GM’s on top, once again, despite the UAW, lol. Foreign auto companies don’t have the skilled labor force or resources of General Motors. GM workers make good money and no compromise is necessary. The rightwing lie that unions brought down GM down has been soundly disproved through GM’s comeback.

      As far as the shrinking middle class goes, how about looking at where there money has gone. Wealth has been redistributed, not to the rest of the world, but to the top 1%. Their share of assets has grown while we sink closer to poverty. This is what Bush’s trickle down policies produced, a growing division between America’s rich and poor. The GOP did this in several different ways, reducing income taxes for the wealthy in the Reagan and George W. Bush tax cuts, and cutting the tax rate on capital gains to less than half the rate on the top income of upper-middle-class employees.

      “In 1955, at the height of union strength, the wealthiest 10 percent received 33 percent of the nation’s personal income. In 2007, they received 50 percent.” -Economic Policy Institute

      So, I guess if you want a stronger, wealthier middle class, bring back the unions, tax the wealthy, and increase pay for productivity.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        But the policies that you tout DISCOURAGE innovation, productivity and quality! I’m sure you’re all for readjusting MEA salaries to performance rather than just longevity. If Ford does better at innovation, productivity and quality…you penalize them by throwing millions of dollars to their competitors! GM should pay back the bondholders and to all the people they screwed at Delphi: http://www.mlive.com/opinion/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/03/letter_dennis_stevanus.html

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          MEA salaries are not teacher salaries, if that’s what you’re insinuating. MEA is the union that Michigan teachers belong to. And, as I’m sure you’re aware, the tenure law was changed. Get with the times, if you’re gonna try to talk intelligently about something you have no experience with.

          What policies discourage innovation, btw? Sounds like right-wing hyperbole again.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Compensation is based solely on longevity and not performance. And instead of working to help the children, the union is busy keeping drunk teachers on the job: http://protectingmichigantaxpayers.com/truth

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Merit-pay for performance is the law in Michigan. Districts negotiate that pay along with salary schedules which do little more than keep up with inflation. Do a little research before you spout off about a field you clearly know nothing about.

          As far as your performance goes, I hope WOOD isn’t paying you based on the accuracy of your seasonal forecasts. You’d be broke.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          You’d better hope WOOD doesn’t adopt a similar pay scheme. You’ll be out of a job.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Unlike Proposal 2 – We’re a solid #1 in the ratings!

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          Amazing what a multimillion dollar corporate broadcasting company can do in a tiny market like West Michigan. Especially when it owns two of the four stations. Or did you think people watched for your hard-hitting investigative journalism and witty storm team banter?

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          We’re not a “tiny market”. We’re 39th out of 210 markets: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/09/10/nielsen-local-television-market-universe-estimates/5037/

          Actually, people watch (and read online) to get the latest news and the best coverage of breaking news.

          How many people do you think you could get to read a blog that your wrote?

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          How do you know I don’t have a blog or TV show? After you retire, which should be any day, let’s see how much business you get at your own personal blog. It’ll be you, INDY, and Mike M. LOL

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          Because you waste too much time here. You have nothing better to do. No other place to go. Oh, you go vote on polls, sometimes multiple times. You spend hours bouncing around to the usual lefty websites. Really, you don’t make near the difference that you think you do.

          http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/13/ncdcs-new-ushcn-hockey-stick/#more-72333

          http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/business/in-michigan-a-setback-for-unions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

          Pretty cool in the U.S. right now: http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/maps/current/index.php?action=update_daterange&daterange=7d

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          I update it daily and definitely waste too much time on here, but not as much as you.

          NOAA says we’re on track for the warmest year on record.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures are only 0.043 degree warmer than average for 2012. Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          GLOBAL temperature Jan. 1 thru Nov. 15 (NASA IR data) is 0.043 degrees warmer than average. That’s 43/thousands of a degree or approx. 4/100 degree warmer than average…or essentially average. Nortb American and the Arctic have been significantly warmer than average. Most of the rest of the world has been slightly cooler than average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          According to NOAA, globally, we’re cooking!!

          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-percentile-mntp/201210.gif

          Links to right-wing blogs and fake climate sites like Weatherbell aren’t convincing anyone. We’ll believe NOAA.

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          We’re not “all cooking”. The average temperature of the Earth for 2012 as of yesterday was 0.043 degree above average. That’s four HUNDREDTHS of a degree. It’s essentially average. And that’s the whole earth, not just the 1.58% that makes up the Lower 48 states.

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s this, the 21st time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

          As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures steady for the past 10 years.

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        16. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

          Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        17. Bill Steffen says:

          As the Arctic ice has shrank a bit, the Antarctic icecap has grown a lot!

          The Antarctic icecap has been getting BIGGER for 25 years!

          http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          Antarctic ice is not only well above the average extent, but has grown substantially in the past year: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years: http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          Here’s Antarctica: http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

        18. big Daddy BC says:

          The arctic is smaller than it’s been since record keeping began. The antarctic is unique in that it’s protected by a longer lasting polar vortex that insulates it for almost six months every year. That’s the main reason we’re seeing less of an impact on ocean ice there. Land ice, however, IS shrinking fast. Both poles are in trouble, but the north has seen the greater impact.

          http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/truthdigger_of_the_week_james_balog_20121117/

        19. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s absolute nonsense. The Arctic icecap (today is June 6, 2013) is at a greater extent that at any time since at least 2005 and very close to the June average: http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_area.png

          The Antarctic icecap is at a record extent: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Hard hitting Anthony Watts, fossil fuel tool, blows the lid off this one!! LOL

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Food gumming Bill Steffen, the Anthony Watts wannabe.
          http://wottsupwiththat.com/

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          You know you’re big time when “Ben” spoofs your website. Except “Ben” gets no traffic. Anthony Watts has had 131,111,870 page views. Plus he’s received the “Bloggie” award for best science blog. Check out Anthony Watts multi-award winning website here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Exxon sponsors the ‘Bloggie.’ LOL

          This map was produced by NOAA. It shows the temperature trend over the last century.

          http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/indicator_downloads/temperature-download3.png

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          CO2 levels are falling in the U.S.: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/22/a-response-to-dr-paul-bains-use-of-denier-in-scientific-literature/

          Global temperatures are holding steady:

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          DRAMATIC temperature increases.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          Unlike yours, they don’t just look at monthly-average anomalies, which are exceedingly rare. Instead these are the ‘unadjusted’ numbers. Raw data, if you will.

          Your other links are to right-wing blogs. No one cares.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Your maps are based on the 1951-1980 climate normals only to try to force a politically driven conclusion. The truth is that global temperatures have leveled off in the last 10 years:

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          My graphs are NASA’s graphs. It doesn’t matter which period you use as average, the trend is crystal clear. The only time the average matters is when you’re comparing to average. You know that perfectly well.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

          They say we’re on track to the HOTTEST year on record. How’s that feel, liar?

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          Globally the Earth is only 0.043 degree warmer than average for 2012. While central North America has been warmer than average, much of the world has been colder than average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_ytd.png

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Weatherbell is a right-wing site. We don’t believe it, but we do believe NASA and NOAA.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          And how about this global perspective from NOAA:

          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-percentile-mntp/201210.gif

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          BigDaddy is a radical liar…don’t trust anything he says. He’s offered NO credentials, only deception and lies (you said Romney was a polygamist – he’s not – you lied). You lie because you can’t win on facts/data. You have to distort, deceive and lie.

          The truth is that global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

          Just say NO to the the climate profiteers!

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s this, the 20th time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

          As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          JUST SAY ‘NO’ TO THE CLIMATE PROFITEERS. No more Solyndras! No more LG Chems! Global temperatures are flat as the open ocean:

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

          No warming last 10 years:

          http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          No warming last 10 years:

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s this, the 26th time you’ve cut and pasted this pre-made post. It’s got right-wing blogs and fake climate sites on it. You call me a lier. LOL I think we’ll trust NASA and NOAA over Rush Limbaugh’s boy, Maue OR the no-credential Watts and his bloggie. LOL

          As far as my credentials go, I don’t need any to refer viewers to credentialed sites. I think we’ll trust scientists over blog-masters and activist weathermen that make $200 K per year lying for a corporate media company. You’re a joke.

          These are from NASA:
          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          These are from NOAA:
          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          Say “NO” to the climate profiteers! Say “NO” to those who would take money that could be used in the classroom and give it to shrill extremists who waste it:

          http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

          http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house

        16. big Daddy BC says:

          Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

        17. Bill Steffen says:

          BUT the Antarctic icecap has been getting BIGGER for 25 years!

          http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          Antarctic ice is not only well above the average extent, but has grown substantially in the past year: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          Your comment ” Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s” is totally false. First of all, temperature wasn’t measured accurately over MOST of the globe 100 years ago. Second, everyone was talking global COOLING in the mid-late 1970s because global temperature had dropped from the 1940s to the late 1970s.

          Global temperatures have held steady for the last 10 years: http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

          Here’s Antarctica: http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

        18. big Daddy BC says:

          1976 was the last year our globe was cooler than average. Ever since then, we’ve experienced hotter averages. This was due in part to the Clean Air Act. Decreasing aerosols meant more sun could reach the Earth. This AND the increase in CO2 has caused the planet to get progressively warmer. It’s just shy of 40 years later and the last decade is the hottest in history. The one before that is the second. These facts aren’t in dispute. Last July was the hottest month on record for the northern hemisphere. The arctic ice cap melted to its smallest ever recorded. AND this year is slated to be the hottest US year on record.

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.B.gif

          http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

          Pull your head out and look around, Magoo. These links are from NOAA AND NASA, not activist blogs like the ones you post. ;)

        19. Bill Steffen says:

          From NASA…global temperatures have been steady for at least 11 years: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          Even James Hansen has been forced to admit the obvious: The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Trenberth is clueless: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

          CO2 emissions in the U.S. are dropping: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UbEeoNj-vKc

          The Antarctic icecap is at a record extent: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          The Arctic icecap is at the greatest extent since at least 2005 and is very close to the monthly average: http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_area.png

          Check my links, blog readers.

  18. big Daddy BC says:

    Here’s the real, uncut story about October 2012. The only place it was average was here and that’s only if you’re using the adjusted warmer average. Sometimes Bill forgets that global warming is actually GLOBAL.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/10

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Global temperature has been flat for 10 years. A decade! No more climate profiteering!

      http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house

      http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

      http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

      No warming last 10 years:

      http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

      No warming last 10 years:

      http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/image_thumb5.png?w=580&h=325

      No warming last 10 years:

      Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof. (Phil) Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CKm0nmy5

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Here’s a global picture of temps from NOAA. They talk a bit about the devastating year our Arctic has endured. Record after record broke, broke, broke. Globally we haven’t seen a month below the 100 year average since the mid 1970s.

      http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2012/october-2012-global-temperature-update

      Or check out what’s happening here in North America. This will be the hottest year on record!

      http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/video/2012/the-making-of-the-hottest-year-on-record-usa-temperature-update

      !!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        I looked at your link to October temperatures and it’s plain and simply not correct. It has Michigan in red (above average). I looked at the Monthly Climate Summaries, which are available at every NWS website (GRR, APX, DTX) and I see that October was COLDER than average in Grand Rapids, Holland, Muskegon, Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson, up at Gaylord. I’ll bet that’s the case for other “red” areas, too. For whatever reason, it’s wrong. Go look up the monthly data yourself.

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