Fire Tornado

November 21st, 2012 at 1:58 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

   Have you seen the video of the fire tornado near Curtin Springs, Australia.  Shooter, Chris Tangey said “it sounded like a jet plane flying by“.   Courtesy Alice Springs Film and Television on YouTube.   Here’s video of a previous fire tornado in Brazil and one from Hawaii.

Model update:   I can’t show you this or link to it (it’s on the fee-based Professional site at Accu-Weather), but you ought to see the JMA (Japanese model) for 168 and 192 hours.  I don’t think it’s right…it has the 850mb temp. down to -19C here and a monster low pressure system near Toledo.  It’s sure give us a lot of wind and probably some decent snow.   The NAM (Caribou) gives G.R. a high of 62 on Thanksgiving Day, the European is low 60s.  All the models keep us chilly from Friday into early next week, with afternoon temperatures from the mid 30s to low 40s.

64 Responses to “Fire Tornado”

  1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    I know it’s not Bill’s winter outlook, but here’s one from a weather blog very similar to Bill’s out of Minneapolis:

    “Our once-forbidding winters are shrinking – we just had a 7 month boating season. The last 10 Novembers were all warm enough for golf. In Minnesota?

    My hunch: another compressed, abbreviated winter, crammed into December, January and February. I’m betting on another early spring in 2013.”

    http://www.startribune.com/weather/blogs/Paul_Douglas_on_Weather.html

    1. KevinS (Saugatuck) says:

      Exactly

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Our Detroit Fox 2 said last night, colder and snowier than average for the winter.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        Yeah, if you’re just looking in the Dec-Feb timeframe, I definitely think we’ll see a more average winter this year.

        Have a link by chance?

      2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        That does sound familiar. Where and when have I heard that forecast? Wait a minute it was exactly one year ago at this time that all of the experts were saying this exact thing. How did that turn out? I do not believe this hype for one single minute.

    3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      No doubt all of the data shows winters are shrinking. Winters in West MI are nothing like they used to be. They are shorter and less severe.

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        Well here is a good look at the climate history for west Michigan.

        http://www.crh.noaa.gov/grr/climate/data/

        SlimJim

      2. Mike G says:

        Randy, here’s some statistics about the winter of 2010-2011….. 2 years ago. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/grr/climate/2010_2011_Winter_Climate_Summary.pdf Here in southwest Michigan, just across the stateline from South Bend, IN, we had over 100 inches of snow that winter, including our biggest storm ever since the blizzard of ’78. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/iwx/?n=jan7_8_2011lakeeffect Sorry, but even though last winter was a bust, I’m not quite buying into your theory of winters shrinking here in west Michigan.

        1. Irish coffee says:

          ….not to mention 3 OUT OF TOP 5 seasonal snowfalls fell w/in last decade!!

    4. Daniel says:

      “another compressed, abbreviated winter, crammed into December, January and February”?? That IS winter. Three months per season, remember? BTW, in Australia it is not winter that is about to start but summer.

  2. racquetman says:

    Fire tornadoes – the 8th sign of the apocalypse.

    1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

      I thought it was 7, 7 trumpets will sound.

  3. PAUL says:

    Remember in 2007/2008 2008/2009 most of our snow fell in
    Late December.be patient people winter will be here soon.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      That’s not what they are discussing though, Paul. They are trust talking about how Novembers don’t even have a touch of winter anymore…

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        The last November with above average snowfall was 2008 and we had to wait until the last day of the month to go above average. Before that it was 2005, when we actually had nearly 17″ of snow in the 2nd half of November in G.R.

  4. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    What happened to all the hype about a big storm coming next week? As expected the long range forecast is totally wrong. There are no signs of any type of snowstorms on the way. It may get a little colder, however nothing like all the hype from a few days ago. Winter lovers may want to consider taking a vacation or moving to a different part of the country. We may be heading to another total bust of a winter!

    1. Cort S. says:

      What hype? Most people here understand it was only a remote possibility, but it was just something fun to dream about. The chance of something happening hasn’t gone away:

      NEXT WEATHER MAKER FOR SOUTHWEST LOWER MI IS A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM THAT MOVES FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN GREAT LAKES EARLY NEXT WEEK. TIMING AND EVOLUTION DIFFERENCES EXIST BETWEEN THE ECMWF AND THE GFS. THE ECMWF HAS A SLIGHTLY FURTHER SOUTH TRACK AND HENCE COLDER AIR OVER LOWER MI. GIVEN LOW CONFIDENCE HAVE RAN WITH A RAIN/SNOW FORECAST FOR TUESDAY. FEELING IS THE ECMWF IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO HERE WHICH WOULD MEAN MORE IN THE WAY OF SNOW. THERE IS A CHANCE FOR SOME ACCUMS WITH THIS SYSTEM…BUT PLENTY OF TIME TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        What a joke!

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      The Japanese model still has a big low coming thru Ohio next Tues. night/Weds. but it’s a loner.

  5. Dan says:

    Long range forecasts are what they are. The further away a target is, the harder it is to hit it, and the greater the misses are.

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      Think of a long range forecast as a long range “guess” and that is not just in weather related guesses either.
      Slimjim

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Exactly so why all the hype relating to long range forecasts. A total waste of time!

      1. Rocky! Its marketing for there stations. People pay more attention to weather than they do anything else on the news. So why not hype up some bull forecast and see the ratings go up for a day or to. Then we get mad and say I won’t get suckered into that again, but we are right back there and watching the same old crap.

      2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        No doubt and I have been saying the same thing for years and this is why I do not get suckered into to believing any type of long range forecast/hype!

  6. Scott (west olive) says:

    I starting to think Fixx controls the weather around here. Hes still working on the temps. :)

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Ohhhhh, so THAT is his new job…. :)

      1. INDY says:

        In a ho taaaa!!!! lololololo INDYY…..

  7. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I will be heading out to the golf course soon to enjoy another warmer than average fall day. The beat goes on with above average temperatures and below average snowfall!

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      51 and sunny already here as of 11:30 AM… enjoy! The golf courses that are open are going to be busy I bet!

  8. INDY says:

    Get ready snow storm a coming like the sprites will be all night on this biggest bar night of thee year Bill are u ready???? INDYY…..

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Yes, a snowstorm is coming. The only question is when? I would say if we see one snowstorm by Jan 1st 2013 we will be very lucky!

  9. INDY says:

    27,28th of Nov. snow storm for Michigan it’s coming INDYY…

  10. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    I am seeing some 60′s already in Michigan as of 2pm!

  11. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

    .LONG TERM…(FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY)
    ISSUED AT 359 AM EST WED NOV 21 2012

    LONG TERM PERIOD BEGINS WITH AN ACTIVE LAKE EFFECT SITUATION IN
    PLACE…WITH DELTA T/S AROUND 20 DEGREES C (LK SURFACE AT +10C PER
    THE MID LAKE BUOYS AND 850MB TEMPS AT -10C). MAIN QUESTION MARK
    REGARDING THE LAKE SNOW POTENTIAL FOR FRIDAY NIGHT CONTINUES TO BE
    MOISTURE DEPTH. NEITHER THE GFS OR THE ECMWF ARE INDICATING
    SIGNIFICANT MOISTURE IN THE 1000-700MB LAYER…BUT IT APPEARS GOOD
    ENOUGH FOR LAKE SNOW SHOWER ACTIVITY IN MY OPINION. THE NAM IS
    SHOWING RH VALUES IN THE LAYER IN THE 70-80PCT RANGE WITH THE
    EXTENDED MODELS MORE IN THE 60-70PCT RANGE. WITH DELTA T/S IN EXCESS
    OF 20C…DECENT MOISTURE AND NORTHWEST FLOW ENVISION LAKE EFFECT
    SNOW BANDS AFFECTING CENTRAL LOWER OFF OF NRN LAKE MICHIGAN AND
    WESTERN LOWER OFF OF CEN/SRN LAKE MICHIGAN. BY MID MORNING
    SATURDAY…FEEL WE COULD SEE ACCUMS OF AROUND AND INCH POSSIBLE UP
    ON U.S. 10 AND A DUSTING TO AROUND A HALF INCH WEST OF HWY 131 IN
    WRN LOWER. BY LATE NOVEMBER STANDARDS NOTHING TOO SIGNIFICANT.

    THE LAKE SNOWS SHOULD TAPER TO FLURRIES ON SATURDAY AS THE MOISTURE
    AND INSTABILITY DECREASE OVER THE LAKE. QUIET CONDITIONS ARE
    EXPECTED SATURDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT WITH SHORTWAVE
    RIDGING GIVING WAY TO ZONAL FLOW ALOFT.

  12. arcturus says:

    Skilling in Chicago is calling for possibly the warmest Thanksgiving in nearly a half a century. Just another warm temp ‘anomaly’ added to the increasing number of others.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Above temps and below snowfall and still no snowstorms in sight!

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Back to below normal temperatures this weekend.

        1. fixxxer says:

          I dont care if we have snow for xmas but after that it can go away.

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      So… We’re going to be ALMOST as warm as we were 40 years ago on this one date? Sounds good to me. We won’t be burning as much fossil fuel to heat our homes. Through today, Chicago is 0.4 degree COOLER than average for November and Chicago was cooler than average in both September and October.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Globally we’re in the 333rd consecutive month with above average temperatures, but global warming isn’t real, right? LOL

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          As of 6/4/13 – Grand Rapids is 0.4 deg. COOLER than average for 2013. Globally, as of 6/4/13, the world is 0.013 degree warmer than average.

          The “333rd consecutive month with above average temperatures” is achieved by using the base average of the 3 coldest decades and by selectively choosing a smaller sample of stations that have been picked to show warming. If you use the current NWS 30-year normal, or a longer full-record as an average, you don’t get anywhere near “333 consecutive warmer than average months”.

  13. fixxxer says:

    Dont eat to much turkey billybob.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      You know what they say…”You are what you eat.”

      1. fixxxer says:

        13 lb turkey ready to go in the oven here in the morning.

  14. Stephen says:

    Playing some good ol football in the morning and a big dinner later. Doesn’t get much better then that… Other then a snowstorm! Have a great Thanksgiving Bill and everyone.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Nobody wants a snowstorm. ;)

      We didnt get many summer storms so you winter nuts dont deserve winter storms lol.

      1. Brian(Grandville) says:

        In reality, no one really deserves anything, other than a pay raise. We just have a lot of wants, and needs.

        1. fixxxer says:

          It was a joke, lighten up.

      2. GunLakeDeb says:

        Fixxx – I don’t need winter storms – just snow. Gentle, beautiful snow :-)

  15. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    It looks like a brief cool down and and no arctic air. I will be golfing again by Sunday and I predict above average temperatures for the first week of December.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Sorry to burst your bubble but eventually you will have to stop golfing for the year. Your like a broken record.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Broken record? I can’t remember the last time that I said I will be golfing or that this winter could be a bust or there are NO SNOWSTORMS are in sight!!

  16. Jack says:

    CUE : Give Thanks With A Grateful Heart – YouTube

    ► 3:25► 3:25
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtxmSAqMtDA

  17. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    Heading to Traverse city tomorrow to spend the afternoon at my girlfriends house almost to be married girlfriend and her family Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      More HYPE and above average temperatures will be here in December.

      1. Same old thing.One day cold the next warm, one day snow the next rain. But there is one thing for sure the grand rapids bubble is real strong this year. Snow all around us but not here. NO SNOW FOR YOU INDY, NEXT!

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Yes, we are heading to another total bust of winter again!

  18. GunLakeDeb says:

    I like the fire tornado – with smoke being sucked into the vortex, it’s easier (IMO) to see what really happens outside and inside a tornado! The flaming debris being hurled out of the tornado is pretty freaky, though!

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