Early Morning Showers

December 3rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

    There are mostly light showers coming through this morning.   We should see a little sunshine for the afternoon.  West winds off the lake at 10-15 mph will bring cooler air, but still 10 degrees warmer than average for this afternoon.  Yesterday evening there was a Tornado Warning for Ogle Co. in northern Illinois, SW of Rockford during the early evening.  There was rotation aloft.  No confirmed touchdowns.  Spotters following the storm report an occasional flash of lightning and brief moderate rain.   We have had tornadoes in winter before.  Check out this one.   The Storm Prediction Center issued a meso-discussion for possible severe weather for S. Wisconsin and N. Illinois.

Also, Mesonet weather stations recorded wind gusts of 150 mph 3WSW of Mammoth Lakes, CA and 139 mph 6 WSW of Tahoe City and 113 mph at Alta, Utah.  Here’s where the cold air is now.  Check out the European model for next Monday AM.

155 Responses to “Early Morning Showers”

  1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    WOW an MD in December sure is rare! at least for the Great Lakes

    1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

      But it’s not for the GL it’s for Wi & IL. Even if it was for Mi well, we know how it goes. It would be nice to hear some thunder and see ligthning, even if it’s a small garden stype it’s been way to long without that sound.

      1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

        I meant the Great Lakes region and yes Wi&IL are the Great Lakes region

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      I don’t thing they are super rare. They often have MD with big snow storms in the great lakes region this time of year.

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:


      2. Cort S. says:

        True, but this ain’t a heavy snow MD. It’s way more awesome than that! (Except heavy snow MDs are pretty awesome too… remember when we used to have those? I miss those days.)

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          Oh Cort – you’re just teasing us ;-) A friendly blizzard right now sounds fun :-)

  2. DF (SE Mich) says:

    I just looked out the window and saw a patch blueish black sky for the first time all day, just in time for the night…

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      I see Monroe is now up to 63. The warm air is still coming to SE Mich, DF.

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        It will be impressive if the temp continues to rise. I am walking to dinner tonight =)

      2. DF (SE Mich) says:

        The fog cleared in Monroe I see, hence the jump in temp.

  3. Brad says:

    This is absurd. Crocuses are already popping.

  4. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Up to -35° in Fairbanks, AK… wow, that is a cold high temp.

  5. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Muskegon just hit a record high of 63.

    Looks like Chicago got their all-time December high temperature record.

    Not sure what the record high for Holland is, but I saw it hit 65 there.

    Now bring on the storms!

    1. Brad says:

      This jet stream configuration seems pretty stubborn. I suspect we’ll be seeing 80s again in March 2013.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        Lapeer, Michigan is the next town north of me and was the town that saw 90 in March 2011.

        I think we see some cold come Jan and Feb when this pattern finally breaks, but, yes, another early spring looks like a real possibility as well.

      2. DF (SE Mich) says:

        No more tornadoes please… March warmth is fine.

  6. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    Yep I think wi ter for Michigan is already getting lower because here we are inmdecember and to 60 out with storms and no signs of any significant snow tis month :( I’m loosing faith in snow!

  7. INDY says:

    Thunderstorm Watch In December stay tuned!!! Clouds are rolling over fast Tornado weather!! 67* out thee YARDofBRICKS ..Shorts are on and the windows are open!! INDYY…….

    1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

      INDY read closer only a 20% of an issuance those storms don’t even look severe to me if we do get severe storms I will be happy though :)

  8. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    The best part of today is following Joe Bastardi and not seeing him mention this historic weather event once.

    I am certainly no global warming proponent, but the severe cold weather bias some people maintain is just strange. Reminds me of the worst kind of politics. They will talk all day long about record snow and record lows, but a record heat wave is like the worst thing in the world.

    1. Scott (Belmont) says:

      Agreed and some people want cold and snow so bad they will look for any type of signal that winter may arrive. We see a lot of extreme view points from people on this blog relating to climate change, politics and the cold weather bias.

  9. INDY says:

    Bill not only is your blogg local it’s nice coming on hear and reading about weather in other citys across the state u are a popular weatherman keep up the good work INDY…..

    1. Jimbo says:

      Hey Big Joe!!

    2. John (Holland) says:

      Hear hear.

  10. Bnoppe says:

    When it snows and that’s when I’m going to dread the fact that I was rooting for it while shoveling

  11. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    Tornado warning in Illinois wow what a December !

  12. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

    Watching TWC and they just had a guy from the NWS in Bismarck and they are dropping extream cold warnings now wow it looks like we’re heading into more warm winter patterns now :(

    1. Cort S. says:

      “Warm winter patterns” is the wrong conclusion to draw from that.

      Extreme Cold Warnings were an experimental product. They were testing it out to see if it was a useful warning to have.

      According to this article, it seems like they would rather use the tried and true Wind Chill Warning instead of the Extreme Cold Warning.

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        Thanks for the clarification – and I agree. By using the word “wind” – most people understand that wind will make you feel colder and are more likely to heed the warning?? As a former Ski Patroller – I know very well that just because the thermometer says a number – that doesn’t always indicate how a persons “feels”. Even yesterday with crazy “warm” temps, didn’t FEEL warm with the damp drizzly wind…. I would have preferred 30 degrees, calm wind and sun.

  13. Ok look at the 7 day forecast for all the stations. TV 3 sun. 45 mon. 50 TV 13 sun.. 42 mon. 51 Fox 17 sun. 48 mon. 55 and low and behold TV 8 sun. 39 mon. 34 how do come up with those high temps. compared to all the others. Fox 17 has been pretty much on.

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Bill just raised the temps closer in-line to the others and the NWS… nice work bloggers! ;)

    2. Brian(Grandville) says:

      One of the links in the thread referenced the EURO, for next Monday. Maybe Bill trust’s that more than the GFS, witch others may use. Just a guess.

  14. INDY says:

    Clouds are rolling over fast watch out for a twister tonight when the front rolls over!! Uncle Jack how about a cue!!! INDYY…

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  15. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    We will have to see what the airport comes up with but the temp here now as gone up to 64 witch I believe is the record high temp for the date for GR.

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Unbelievable… temps just keep rising… lots of records falling, including all-time December records

      1. michael g (SE GR) says:

        Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

        For 00z runs, stretched out my temperature anomaly colorbar. Still, 50°F below normal not enough for Alaska low-temps pic.twitter.com/vUH4clt1

        For someone who claims not to be a global warming honk, you sure do love to exaggerate the warmth with words like “incredible, amazing, unbelievable” all for one day of record highs.

        1. michael g (SE GR) says:

          I forgot “historic” and “record heat wave”.

        2. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

          It is a record and historical for many today. Love seeing extraordinary weather – no matter what it is!

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Are you a member of the Maue fanclub?

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          I’m a member of the Maui fan club: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1152&bih=670&q=maui&oq=maui&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1933.2476.0.2836.…0.0…1ac.1.8.img.oK5NL7zqg3k

  16. Alan (Leonard & Beckwith NE GR) says:

    A couple of nice lines of weather forming, one in WI and another in IL.

  17. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    Yes, 64 is the record for the date here in GR, so while I have tied the record here at my house we will have to wait and see if the airport does (they had 63 at the last report)

  18. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Walked to dinner tonight, it is nice out. Still haven’t quite made it to 60 in Detroit yet but the temp is still climbing. The high for Fairbanks, AK was -33 today :) . I wonder what a record low high temp is around those parts?

  19. Mike Geukes says:

    I do not understand people’s fascination of severe weather. I could live somewhere where there would be zero thunderstorms and be happy.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Aw Mike, while I agree – my sis lives in mid-California and has heard thunder twice in ten years. Of course, she’s also watched forest fires and had earthquakes…LOL!..so IMO, I’ll take the thunder! There always seems to be a tradeoff.

  20. Uncle sparkee says:

    Good mornin my little hobos! All this talk about global warmin is gotten your ol uncle sparks as excited as a wood pecker in a hen house. If this actually is happening I will growin the indoor crops outside year round and vise versa! I’ll have your ol aunty Edna workin like work horse! Lovin the 60s in the backwoods. Less wood cuttin means more time to trim!! Gettin ready for the kin to come up north for the holidays!

  21. INDY says:

    Uncle Jack what a great song in the year 25 25 maybe when sparks was a born with his horn …Growing plants year around Michigan outside will be a good bet 5-10 years from now becouse winter will not be around this town anymore the earth has a crack in it all our months are running into each other Monther Nature is scared winter will become sinter hot hot hot!! From the sin bin to jacks cue on this spring night with theeee brown bag flu!!!!! Twsisters are a coming!! INDYY…

  22. Jeff (Fremont) says:

    Wow, Wzzm13 and Woodtv are far apart for next week. Monday shows 34 and snow showers here at Woodtv, and Wzzm13 is showing 51 and rain. My guess is that it will be somewhere in the middle, but I wonder why the difference is so great.

    1. Ray says:

      Different forcast model.

  23. Nathan says:

    I know where the cold air is, Bill… We just need it to come here! Maybe it will soon, who knows? (You do, right?)

  24. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

    There is very little similarity globally to the weather pattern last year and this year. Snowcover and cold much more prevalent GLOBALLY

    Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

    It is advisable to look at the entire picture. Flip in EPO should bring major cold down plains next week and winter starts in US

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      You do love your Bastardi! lol Sometimes I think you two are the same person!

    2. Brian(Grandville) says:

      The long range models for me are mostly for fun, and rarely pan out. But have you seen the latest 12z GFS run for around the 18th/19th.

      1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

        Is it snow for the 18/19th?

  25. Ray says:

    WOW! 64 degrees on Dec 3!

  26. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Almost 9pm, and it’s 66 degrees in Muskegon. Just another June nite?… nope December!

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      64 at 9pm in Muskegon. 63 in Traverse City is pretty warm. Approaching the spreads from the average highs in Alaska (in opposite directions), not quite but not bad. It is amazing how our weather is pretty much always relatively opposite of Alaska.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        How about Holland at 66 at 10:15pm? ;)

    2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Why is Muskegon almost always the warmest place in Michigan with SW winds?? I would think the cooler waters would keep it cool…urgh

  27. Jeff Gordon fan says:

    Do you think the cold air will move down here anytime soon? Im getting really anxious to get on my snowboard, and this warm weather is killing me haha.

  28. kevin. w says:

    I’m starting to see signs of stratospheric warming and blocking. The question is, is it a hiccup or maybe something starting to show signs of true cold and snow coming. Based on the ensemble models out 7 days now showing a big storm potential and a baroclinic zone shaping up across our area. Out past the 10 day mark a couple models are showing a very active storm track right at the Dec. 12 mark and going through Christmas. Something to watch and also seeing a whole northern hemispheric pattern shift coming: how things line up will be the interesting part. Areas where there have been significant impacts will see calmer weather, areas where there have been nothing going on (like us) could be in for a very different weather pattern come mid month. If the navy model has its way were going to be in for some big time snows…..will see.

    1. Jordan (Twin Lake) says:

      Like :)

    2. John (Holland) says:

      May it be!

    3. OWK says:

      Interesting weather in Grand Rapids? I’ll believe when I see it.

    4. GunLakeDeb says:

      I’m still hoping!!!

  29. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

    12/21/2012 is suppose to bring transition in many ways from what I hear. It certainly has been a crazy year for weather!

  30. INDY says:

    Wow Bill brought up his temps on the 8 day no more snow now a mix we may not have any snow in December…..Stay tuned!!! INDYY….

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Nice catch, Indy… we’ve been wondering why WOOD was so much colder than what we were seeing

      1. Skot says:


    2. Jack says:

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  31. Barbara Egeler-Bailey says:

    Unbelievable! I was outdoors painting today…in December!

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Yes, this is the new normal. Get used to it. LOL!!!!!!

  32. 62F, window open, outside chance of a thundershower. Just a normal December in Michigan. No big deal…

    1. Jack says:

      I agree Chareles…Just Fine…December Day..In MICHIGAN.. Just ENJOY IT! Go Outside TOOOO NITE, PEACE ;-)

  33. Storm waning says:

    Will be a blue, blue blue blue Christmas


    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      One of my favorites.

  34. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    Bill, did you restyle your hair?

    1. Skot says:

      George Lessons has an amazing comb over though.

      1. INDY says:

        Comb over lolololololololo thats all my dad has left on his head!! INDYY…

      2. OWK says:

        I always wonder if Bill still talks with the WZZM people.

        1. Brad says:

          Keywords: lawsuit, Cheryl Grant. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          I ran into Cheryl Grant at the Warren Reynolds golf outing and she was quite pleasant and seemed to be doing well. It’s nice that she came out to help a good cause. There’s so much good that private charities do in this country.

  35. INDY says:

    Travis at least we have crazzy warm temps with some thunder in December to blogg about or the weather would be foggy no fun we should be tracking snow storms now !!! Keep the cue’s coming uncle Jack cue kind of night!!!! INDYY..

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      Just be careful with those sprites tonite, Indy

    2. Jack says:

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  36. Now don’t lose hope folks. Check out the 192hr run on the GFS, showing a 6-7 inch swath of snow. This would be on the backside of a strong low pressure. Of course, this forecast is subject to change, but the chance remains regardless. Here’s the image http://bit.ly/UCQ0dZ

    1. Before anyone gets “smart” (dumb) with me, I mean the swath of snow as an area of 6 to 7 inch accumulations.

      1. OWK says:

        I want to believe you but after three years of dull GR weather…

  37. bluewind says:

    Few more hours and the beautiful cooler air returns.

    1. Barry in Zeeland says:

      …..only to be kicked out again by the warm air this weekend!!

      1. OWK says:

        That isn’t not very warm air to me.

  38. OWK says:

    Nothing like a cold ginger ale and listening to the wind. Man I miss the Red Wings…

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Yes, what’s the deal? A guess there is no deal. To bad. I miss watching them too.

  39. Jim S says:

    12z euro. shows a blizzard parked over lake Huron next Monday. 18z gfs has strong low tracking through ohio. Long way to go….we’ll see.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:


    2. fixxxer says:

      Its all BS.

    3. Jim S says:

      00z shows mostly rain now. Maybe we’ll hit 60the again.

      1. Bnoppe says:

        It will change in 3 hrs

      2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        ?? No it doesn’t. It shows some light snow for us on Monday….maybe two to three inches. We’ll see how it changes though.

  40. KevinS (Saugatuck) says:

    What a joke. What is the use of the 7 and 8 day forecast? I would bet that day 6,7, & 8 are prolly 90% inaccurate when that day finally arrives. This mornin it was people sayin, we will be seeing snow next Monday with a cool down. Now its mid 50′s and rain.
    If nothing pans out by the end of next week, I will have lost all my faith in people predicting the weather more than 5 days out, if that.
    There needs to be a deal, if the forecast doesnt come within say 10 degrees of whats predicted on day 6,7, & 8. They should have to do away with that far out of a forecast. I’m not saying anyone is wrong or blaming.people, but let’s quit acting like we know when really we don’t.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Ive said for years that anything beyond 2-3 out is BS speculation. You guys will get snow but im betting it wont stick around long.

  41. Brad says:

    December +13.5F. WOW! This is ridiculous. Crocuses are popping, lawns are being mowed, and all-time monthly records are falling just south of us. Which “cyclical” weather pattern can we blame this month?

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The first 3 days of December will be a combined 15 degrees warmer than average in G.R.

      The first 6 days of December 1998 were 20 degrees warmer than average in G.R…and then we went on to a winter with above average snowfall.

      Northway, Alaska has been 34.3 degrees colder than average over the past 3 days and 27.8 degrees colder than average over the past 8 days.

      Can you show me a picture of a crocus blooming now in Michigan?

      1. Brad says:

        Bill, have you already forgotten 90F in March in Lapeer and 100-degree readings this July? What up wit dis year’s weatha, my man?

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Most temperatures that March day were in the mid 80s and winds were light. It would have been interesting to calibrate that thermometer in Lapeer and look at the site to see if there were site issues. Here’s some examples of poor siting causing “warming”: http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm

          This July was not the warmest July ever in G.R. That was way back in 1921! This July we made 104 in G.R. In July 1936 we made 108 (111 in Newaygo!) and we had an entire WEEK with an average high temperature of 103!

        2. big Daddy BC says:


          The thermometer was busted?? P-lease.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          I didn’t say “busted”. It just needs to be checked. Other thermometers around that thermometer weren’t that high. The thermometer may need recalibration or the thermometer may be in a poor site (parking lot with asphalt and concrete, etc.).

      2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Bill, I have seen new weeds and dandelions blooming…unreal!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Dandelions yes. I picked a beautiful dandelion on Christmas Day in 1982. A crocus is a bulb that has to go thru a cold, dormant period (of at least 10-12 weeks), which we have not had yet.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          LOL I’m sure. The last few years I’ve seen annuals survive the winters. Our hardiness zone has been changed from 5 to 6 because of climate change, yet still you deny it. When we switch from 6 to 7, you’ll still be denying it.


        3. Bill Steffen says:

          What annuals survived the winter? We hit +3F twice last winter and the winter before it was -9F on 1/23/11. That was at the airport, the outlying areas were colder.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Just because it was cold once, doesn’t mean the soil was frozen. Point is, we’ve actually had to change our hardiness from five to six because of global warming. Now imagine the mosquito, tick, and chigger populations. Scary stuff.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Answer the question (if you don’t leave a reply, I’ll assume you are admitting you were wrong)…what annuals survived the last two winters…find one annual that survived the winter outside and unprotected…just one….

          I’ll wait…

    2. fixxxer says:

      Lol…if this is what the new michigan winters will be like ill take it!

    3. OWK says:

      Bad idea to mow your lawn right now.

    4. Jack says:

      Weather Ya Admit or Not, I Think The Person To Blame is OBAMA, ;-)

      1. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

        Nobody is taking the bait jack.

        Turn this one up http://youtu.be/6nULwgHsVqw

        1. Jack says:

          BAD LINK.?? Wbwtsbc !! You would KNOW about BAIT. You OLD, MASTER- Baiter.. Lol. ;-)

        2. Jack says:

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  42. fixxxer says:

    65 at 1130pm in december is awesome. Screw the snow. Hey bill give us another hot march too while your at it.

    1. Brad says:

      Remember all the denials last week that it could hit 60F? I wrote 70s would get to N Indiana and I was close…

    2. bluewind says:

      Screw the snow? Are you stupid? We need it this year. Wait,of course you are stupid. You can’t use your and you’re in the right way.

      1. fixxxer says:

        No im not stupid. You dont need any snow so stop pretending its essential. Just becuase your a winter nut doesnt mean i am. It can stay mild all winter for all i care. Your drought was over by november with all the rain we had from aug-nov.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Anybody with half a brain knows we will see some snow this winter. The BIG question is will it be like last year and be minimal and melt quick. I hope for a repeat. While were at it lets have another hot march amd summer too! ;)

      2. Barry in Zeeland says:

        Sounds like blueguy is a little crabby from last winter yet. Whatever……I count each day without snow a win. 2 wins on a winter day like this when it’s getting close to 70 at midnight in December!

        1. bluewind says:

          Its not winter yet,Einstein. Go live with the hicks and racists in the south if you want warm weather all year.

        2. Cort S. says:

          It’s not astronomical winter. It is meteorological winter.

          Or you could go by the temperature definition: If the lowest average temperatures occur about a month after the solstice, then you could consider the month-and-a-half on both sides of the coldest temperature date to be a temperature-based winter. That’s pretty close to the calendar-based meteorological winter, give or take several days.

  43. bluewind says:

    Its also getting annoying to hear people making a big deal out of “warm” temperatures on the news. I’m sorry, did we not just have three hot summers in a row,a couple warmer then average falls and a warm winter last year? Stop making a bit thing out of something that has been going on for almost four years now.

    1. Barry in Zeeland says:

      Just as annoying to hear people going absolutely ape over 1.37 inche of snow.

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      Global temperatures steady for the past decade…icecap growing at the south pole…snow cover increasing in the Northern Hemisphere…carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. going down: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        The ice cap is shrinking in the south. The only thing that’s growing is sea ice AND that’s because of global warming. Get a clue.

        Temps are not steady. http://www.aip.org/history/climate/images/WMOtemp2008.gif

        1. Irish coffee says:

          YES, the temps. have remained fairly steady/leveled off since circa ’98…vs. the pronounced increase 20 years leading up to that point.Besides, even if all American families of 6-8 drove electric Hot Wheels to/from work; worked FOR a union, AND lived in tee-pees/igloos it still wouldn’t make temps. CRASH!Not to mention, all the Who’s in Whoville couldn’t STOP India and China from blowing more CO2 into space than 500 trillion Amish on bean and broccoli diet..

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s nonsensical, BigD – totally “The Emporer’s New Clothes”. Antarctic ice has been growing for 25 years! Look at the graph: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png It’s exactly the opposite of what you alarmists predicted.

          And you didn’t predict this:


          And you didn’t predict this (global temperatures are FLAT, NOT-RISING, STEADY: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

  44. I wonder how well Global Warming activists will be able to “save the Earth” when our Sun becomes a Red Giant and then goes through it’s transition into a dwarf in a few galactic years. Good luck.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      They’ll still blame CO2 – and demand a big tax increase to throw in the general fund.

      1. Jack says:

        TAXES ??? Spin : The Beatles – Taxman (2009 Stereo Remaster) – YouTube

        ► 2:41► 2:41

      2. Irish coffee says:

        YESSIREE!..+ raise the roof; or the debt ceiling at least…throw in $50 billion in MORE stimulus spending! Obama says: “We just want a BALANCED approach”…then proceeds to trot out a plan that INCREASES the debt by ~$7+ TRILLION over the next 10 years…LOL! I still have yet to hear an intellectually sound and logical rationale as to how RAISING taxes(+ massive new regulations) will STIMULATE growth, help the economy, add jobs,etc.The only argument seems to be – “the rich need to pay their fair share” whatever that dubious, arbitrary amount equals.I guess top 10% paying *ONLY 70% of total tax bill is letting them off easy?
        That mentality only leads to covetous and selfish envy syndrome…sorta like me(read:gov’t) deciding my rich, millionare friend/neighbor shouldn’t have 5 nice luxury vehicles to drive…so i help myself/confiscate 1 one of them, because afterall it’s only fair to share– whether by choice or force(according to Big Brother at least)

    2. Cort S. says:

      We’ve got about 1.4 billion years left before the sun gets too luminous for us. Hopefully we’ll have all the pieces to the climate puzzle figured out by then. Then we have to deal with the Andromeda – Milky Way collision. Most star systems would pass through each other because there is so much empty space in a galaxy, but it would completely disrupt the shapes of the galaxies and even eject some stars out into the intergallactic void.

    3. arcturus says:

      Nations like China and India continue to industrialize. They don’t care about the consequences, just like we didn’t years ago. Hey Bill, just curious when was the last time your forecast called for a less snowy, warmer winter?

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Like so many here don’t care about running 1.6 TRILLION dollar deficits.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Or like Dick Cheney, “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.”

          You guys are fear mongers. Debts only matter when a democrats in the big chair.
          Uh-oh! I think it’s time for another TANGERINE alert!! Be AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!!! Never mind the fact that Bush created the debt! LOL And pay no attention to the fact that we won’t even consider reducing the debt by retracting the huge tax cuts we gave to all our wealthy buddies.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          You can do simple math and you know the consequences of the deficit. You are a proven liar…over and over you lie and deceive. You care nothing for the middle class, or their children that will bear the burden of this crushing debt. You are selfish and arrogant. Carlin had you guys pegged with his “Saving the Planet”. You don’t really care about “the planet”. It’s only a means to confiscate the money of the hard-working middle class and throw it to cronies that are friendly to those in power (Solyndra, LG Chem, etc).

          The debt under Obama is roughly the combined total of all the Presidents before him: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D4Io5KLJy6A/UHMPxr2OanI/AAAAAAAAARA/pYrSCe4iTG4/s1600/cbo-obama-deficits.jpg

        3. Irish coffee says:

          Not to worry Bill, tax hikes +VAT taxes, & Obamacare taxes + taxes on free speech, toilet tax,pet tax, taxi-cab tax, & tax on TAX, will soon eradicate mess we are in! Once the greedy rich (business owners/job providers)start paying their fair share- they will be in such good spirits, they will be inspired by financial losses to start hiring again… who knows, tax them enough, and they may consider lobbying for new minimum wage standard of $15/hr. & even lower the costs of their goods and services(i.e food)!! It’s ALL GOOD!!

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Well isn’t it true that Reagan proved deficits don’t matter?? That’s what you guys were saying when GWB was president.
          Now, suddenly it’s a HUGE deal! And what’s so hilarious is that you’re still unwilling to lower the burden by taking tax cuts away from the rich, tax cuts away from oil giants, and subsidies away from billion dollar industries who clearly don’t need them.

          If they do matter, now, why not reduce the burden?

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          No one with the brains of a brussel sprout (Krugman – good example) thinks that deficits don’t matter. You wouldn’t run your family (assuming you have one) finances that way.

          What’s truly astonishing is that it used to matter to Obama (until he took over the checkbook): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUPZJDBJI84

  45. Mr. Negative says:

    Gotta love it…a warm rain on Christmas lights

    1. Jack says:

      LISTENING TO : John Prine – That’s the Way the World Goes Round

      ► 3:36► 3:36

  46. TinainVBcounty says:

    Just let the dogs out…. didn’t have to put on my shoes or a jacket ….so warm!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Harvested potatoes and garlic this weekend in a t-shirt. That was a first for December.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        What’s also a first is Hansen admitting that the warming has stopped:

        “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

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