In Oak Ridge

December 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

  My mother, wife and sister are at the All Girls Junk Jewelry Exchange (hope you can understand why I passed on that one).  Last night, we attended the Oak Ridge H.S. Orchestra concert.  They had 167 high school musicians on stage at the same time.  The concert was a solid 90-minutes with lots of Christmas/Holiday songs…inc. 3 from Trans-Siberian Orchestra and the Hallelujah Chorus at the end with everyone standing up.  That all started when King George decided to stand during that piece, so everyone else followed him.  My mother does not have a computer (she’s 93 years 5 months today) and no wi-fi.  I did turn on my computer Tues. night and about half an hour later, the power cord died, so I went off this AM to find another power cord.  Right now, I’m in the local McDonald’s, where they have wi-fi.  Some older gentleman just came in.  He was in panic mode.  He had lost his wallet.  Someone had turned it in and everything was still inside.  Most people still are honest.  A boy about five just came up and started talking to me.  I guess I just look like the friendly grandpa.   Gas averages about $3.07 here in Oak Ridge.  I found a place at $3.05.  Driving down from Georgetown, Kentucky it was mostly cloudy and cool.  They picked up a lot of rain from Ohio southward.  We say some standing water in the fields in W. Ohio.  The lady at the desk at the motel in Georgetown said she had over 3″ of rain in four days and the creeks were full.  There were several places where small waterfalls were cascading down the rock cliffs on the side of I-75.  I think the car thermometer is one of the greatest inventions of all time.  Going from the lowest valley in SE Kentucky to the highest point on I-75 in NE Tennessee, the temperature dropped from 37 to 30.  That was around 3 PM.  The highest mountains were cold enough to get freezing rain (the day before we drove thru) and it was very cool to see the tops of the mountains glistening when the sun came out.  We found a local radio station playing bluegrass and gospel Christmas songs.  You should have heard the commercials.  There was one for Moon Pies, another for fruit cakes and one where an excited woman proclaimed that this Saturday (THIS SATURDAY!) was the first day you could buy a whole hog for $335 – all cut up and “ready to feed ya yer meat ’til the end of winter!”  They also have candy cigarettes here, like we could buy back in the 50s and 60s.   We stopped at Renfro Valley to get a piece of fried apple pie and to say “hi” to Pumpkin the cat.   A retired lady runs a gift shop in a real 100+ year old log cabin there.  The cat’s always been there when we stop (usually twice a year) and it loves to follow you around and be petted.  It was a stray they found there and it just craved attention.  My sister here has 6 cats and 2 dogs, all rescued animals and she works to find homes for stray animals.  It’s partly sunny and pleasant today…maybe mid 40s.  You can see forever.  I can easily see the wind turbines on a hill 15 miles to the north.  They have holly bushes and trees here, with green leaves and red berries and the pansies (see pic.) will flower all winter (here in December the average highs are low 50s, average low in the low 30s).   It’s my wife’s birthday today, so we’ll have a little celebration tonight.

They had another 5.3″ of snow at S. Ste Marie, where they have 9″ on the ground with 8″ on the ground at Newberry.  There’s 5″ of snow cover at Lake City and 4″ at Houghton Lake (see Houghton Lake webcam).  Here’s the snowman cam from near Gaylord, the webcam at Krupp’s Resort at Twin Lakes (the lake’s frozen over), and the reindeer cam.  The temperature was -1 at Doe Lake in the U.P. this (Weds.) AM.

108 Responses to “In Oak Ridge”

  1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

    Sounds like a fantastic time, Bill. And a Happy Birthday to the Mrs. You picked the right time to be out of this state.

  2. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Oak Ridge, birthplace of the Manhattan Project. Enjoy yourself.

  3. Barry in Zeeland says:

    Good news for everyone who does NOT want a white chrithmeth:

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/

    Odds are getting better by the day!

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Poor Alaska =)

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        I enjoy some of the TV shows that are filmed in AK; and many of them have stressed how many animals did not make it through last year’s harsh winter. One segment showed a bunch of deer skeleton parts on the shoreline, because the animals were literally driven to the shore by the deep snow – and once there, they starved. People who depend on hunting to feed their families must be frantic with an apparent repeat of last year :-(

    2. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

      It’s looking more and more doubtful that we’ll have any snow by Christmas.

    3. OWK says:

      What kinda jerk wouldn’t want a white Christmas?

      1. Bluewind says:

        The same morons that hate cold and snow yet live in the north?

      2. Barry in Zeeland says:

        Oh yes, let us all bow down to your not so humble opinion because surly whatever you think must be what everyone thinks. Nice touch with the name calling as well. Your truly letting your chrithmeth spirit shine through to all.

        1. bluewind says:

          Just saying that people that live in climates they don’t like are crazy. Just the facts.

        2. Barry in Zeeland says:

          I’m completely fine with this climate. This December has confirmed to me that this is the place to be, not to hot, not to cold. The only one that seems to be complaining is you, so maybe you need to relocate to the north.

    4. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      I imagine you are one of those people who would ride right up my tailgate in traffic….

  4. Ruth in Wyoming says:

    We have family in Dayton, Tenn. and have been to Oakridge before. Hubby is interested in the nuclear stuff.

  5. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    45 degrees in GR right now?! Much warmer than they were calling for, but we’ll take it!

  6. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Another GREAT Fall day. I see a round of golf in my future. It is mid December and I am planning to golf this Friday afternoon. WOW! Where is all of this COLD and SNOW the experts keep talking about? Amazing!

    1. Rumrunner says:

      How many courses are still open? I’d love to get a round in as well.

  7. caroldee says:

    Oh Bill this sure was wonderful hearing about Tenn in the winter. My folks both grew up south of where you are. We made many trips in the summer months and sometimes, if lucky, during the winter. You are so right it is like another world down there and love the way everyone is friendly and says “Ya’ll” all the time.In search of wi-fi is so nice because of so many places now that have it. I do hope you and your family have a wonderful celebration for the Mrs.birthday too. Hugs to your mom..she is a real blessing to you I know. :-)

  8. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

    It’s official just went to the store and bought a few groceries and what I bought all had expiration dates of December 21 2012 get ready for the world to end only 9 more days!

    1. OWK says:

      Actually,the Mayans didn’t account for leap years…so guess what? We are in the clear.

  9. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    >>>>>>>>>NEWS BULLETIN >>>>>>>>>> I’ve got some good and some bad news. First the bad news: we are still in a NO SNOW PATTERN! Now for the good news – hold on to your hat – I predict that we will gradually start breaking out of the no snow pattern in the DEC 23rd through the 25th time frame? We will start to have accumulating SNOW and a white Christmas! Bring it on!

    1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

      None of us will even be alive then why bother getting hyped up?

      1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

        The end of the world will happen for some one that day or several that day that is how life goes, where there is life there is death. The end of the world comes the day you die, look at the poor victims who lost their lives during Hurricane Sandy, that was the “End Of The World” for them. But for the entire human race/population. Well, http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/11/29/2012-mayan-apocalypse-rumors-have-dark-side-nasa-warns/

        1. Jack says:

          Great Post Swazt- Zoo !!! I am Longing For The Day The Creator of This Whole Wide World, Call US Home ! Nobody Knows The Day or Hour ! ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS . Spin : “MIDNIGHT CRY” ~Michael English – YouTube
          ► 4:44► 4:44
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQkJr8c0SlY
          Sep 2, 2012 – Uploaded by CoalsfromtheAltar
          “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ Music video to …
          God Bless. Y’all . :-)

        2. Jack says:

          Great Post Swazt- Zoo !!! I am Longing For The Day The Creator of This Whole Wide World, Call US Home ! Nobody Knows The Day or Hour ! ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS . Spin : “MIDNIGHT CRY” ~Michael English – YouTube
          ► 4:44► 4:44
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQkJr8c0SlY
          Sep 2, 2012 – Uploaded by CoalsfromtheAltar
          “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ Music video to …
          God Bless. Y’all . :-)

    2. John (Holland) says:

      This is the kind of optimism I like to hear. :)

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        I know, it is hard to believe that I am actually predicting SNOW!I see the pattern beginning it’s transition around this time frame.

        1. OWK says:

          I think you are bi polar with snow,Rocky.

        2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          No I just speak the truth!

    3. Storm waning says:

      You are perplexing. You write about the complete failure of any and all week out plus forecasts and your disdain for experts. And now you have the inside track to December 23.? What gives?

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Just the facts and faith in the long range RDB model!

  10. Bnoppe says:

    European devlops a secondary low off of the main low on Tuesday most likely the east coast storm takes the moisture but worth waychif

  11. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Since the GFS is this cold at the end of the run, does that mean it will be way above normal? =)
    http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/GemPakTier/MagGemPakImages/gfs/12/gfs_namer_348_850_temp_mslp_precip.gif

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Yes, that is how it has been all Fall however near this time frame is when I expect our pattern actually does start changing to more snow and cold!

      1. Matt (Grand Haven) says:

        What makes you think this pattern is starting or will start to break down? Just curious!

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          1. The PNA will be trending towards neutral or slightly positive.
          2. The NAO will stay slightly negative.
          3. I just checked the latest RDB long range ensembles and they show a trend towards a consistently colder pattern! The RDB long range model is the only model that I actually believe!
          4. The blocking will set up in a much better position!

        2. OWK says:

          I hope you are right,Rocky. We need the snow.

        3. GunLakeDeb says:

          Well Rocky – as much as you’ve been a PITA with your “no-snow” declarations – you HAVE been right. So I hope you’re STILL right!

      2. Storm waning says:

        I’m circling December 23 iin red on the calendar. Would like to believe this. Seeing is

  12. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    Well from the dusting of lake effect snow we received Monday morning, it is still hanging on in the shaded areas. Pretty impressive for how fluffy lake effect is, and the fact that it’s in the low to mid 40′s today. I have still only measured 0.6″ of snow so far this winter. We’ve been under heavy snow squalls before, and received 0.6″ in 5-10 minutes. Still not enough snow to travel up north for snowmobiling either, still a boring pattern.

  13. OWK says:

    I said it before but I think this and next winter will be like ’11-’12′s winter. These things go in threes.

  14. arcturus says:

    NWS GR: DESPITE COOLER WX NEXT WEEK…HIGHS WILL REMAIN ABOVE NORMAL IN THE
    UPPER 30S.

    Sound familiar? Above normal will soon be replaced by normal the way things have been going.

    Wonder just how above normal December has been relative to previous years.

    1. Bluewind says:

      Another warm winter is proof of a warming planet.

      1. jesse says:

        doesn’t bc and yourself stress the fact that global warming produces increased snowfall and harsh winters in the northern hemisphere? Very contradictory.

      2. John (Holland) says:

        Warming? Tell the people who were freezing to death in Europe in the last few weeks.

      3. Mike M. says:

        How stupid do you have to be to think that a few months of warmth over less than 1% of the earth’s surface is proof of a warming planet? The whole freaking planet was a measly +0.28°C over the 1981-2010 average in November…

        http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Nov_2012_v5.5.png

        Give it up Big daddy. No one believes your sock puppets. We know it’s only your royal fatness at the keyboard.

        1. Rumrunner says:

          How do you know he’s fat? He’s definitely a jerk… But fat? LOL

        2. bluewind says:

          Mike,the only stupidity I see here is your own. To think that humans have done nothing to cause global warming is almost madness.

        3. Brian(Grandville) says:

          Prove that humans have contributed to a “climate change”. PROVE IT!

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Speaking of sock puppets, nice link to Exxon-Spencer, Idiot. The only morons that believe climate change isn’t happening are determined not to believe it. That’s a choice. You can believe the moon’s made of cheese or that people used to ride dinos around the garden of Eden, but rational people capable of critical thinking, see climate change as a real result of industrialization. Think what you want, Dopey, but I was just outside hitting the golfball in mid-December. The world hasn’t had a single month with below average temps since the mid 1970s.
          Exxon-Spencer can create make-believe, misleading, cherry picked graphs along with Bastardi and Watts, and you can choose to believe them, but in order to really think climate change isn’t happening you HAVE to buy into the conspiracy theory that science is in cahoots with liberals to raise your energy costs or taxes or whatever. The whole idea’s nuts. Why would liberals and scientists want you to pay more money for energy? It fails the logic test, Fudgetard. BTW, I’m VERY fat. So?

          http://www.edf.org/climate/climate-facts-dangers-and-what-you-can-do?s_src=ggad_global_warming&gclid=CI__1_CumLQCFStgMgodEEwABA

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Big D = spouting nothing but slander! Here’s the truth about Dr. Roy Spencer: http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/

          Global temperatures are FLAT:

          http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade….” – James Hansen et al.

      4. Bill Steffen says:

        Winter sure turned cold…2 degrees colder than average in February…approaching 5 degrees colder than average in March. North America is now .729 deg. C colder than average for March. Wow!

  15. Jack says:

    Bill, Always Great To Hear The FAMILY Stories. Keep on Keeping on ! Here is a Card For MRS. S. http://stores.wholesalecentral.com/Images/SISOX03FPLA6QZ9XPIG6N97O6TSQON/2202104353108.jpg

  16. Jerry (Lansing) says:

    Bill, have a wonderful time with your family during this Christmas season!

  17. INDY says:

    Back home from my Union job glad I make good money and have a safe place to work for the next 3 years under a contrack syder can’ t take that from me!!we will have our state back to grace and glory in 2 years!!! Yupp like I have been saying for over a month now winter storm for xmas get ready it’s coming winter is here to stay and the ground will be white as Rick Snyders hair!!! A cue please Jack INDYY….

    1. OWK says:

      Go open a cool can of Sprite after a hard days work!

    2. Jack says:

      Here is a OLDIE For Brother INDY…. CUE: The Vogues – Five O’clock World – YouTube
      ► 2:08► 2:08
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSIGwAY2JBs
      Aug 3, 2009 – Uploaded by CoolOldSchool
      The Vogues – Five O’clock World. CoolOldSchool·16 videos. Subscribe Subscribed …
      ENJOY, Y’all :-)

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        John Lennon had it right!!!

        John Lennon “WORKING CLAS HERO”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziAq3WCb-YQ

        SlimJim

        1. Jack says:

          Or :
          Send Material Magic Ringtone to your Cell

          Pressure’s on, I can’t slow down
          Got to make it ‘fore the best years pa*s me by
          Up before dawn, building my crown
          In my own eyes, it’s a noble sacrifice

          I spend my time tryin’ to make a little hay
          Before the sun stops shinin’

          Material magic got a spell on me one more time

          Pile it high, save it up for a rainy day
          For surprises, unexpected tragedy
          Funny thing is, it can all blow away
          Leave ya broken, leave ya beggin’
          Down on your knees

          It makes good sense till the walls of my security
          Come crashin’ in

          Material magic got a spell on me, one more time

          And the checkbooks and the credit cards go flyin’
          You can get ‘em in the mail before you apply
          Can my limit take the weight of what I’m buyin’
          Good money down on my own slice of the pie

          Are we crazy or just out of control
          That we bow down to what money can buy
          Seems like people will trade in their souls
          For the pleasure, for the ecstasy of the eye

          Does Jesus weep, that I spend my time collectin’
          What I cannot keep
          I heard him say, “Lay your treasure up
          Where the hands of time cannot decay”

          Send Material Magic Ringtone to your Cell

    3. Jack says:

      INDY, You alright , Or Do ya need a Doctor .?? Happy HUMP- DAY !! Here is a Message From THE Doctor, CUE: LITTLE FEAT – Rock & Roll Doctor (1975 UK TV Performance …
      ► 3:41► 3:41
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9QxFWnUMCI
      Jan 6, 2010 – Uploaded by GreatGuitarHeroes
      LITTLE FEAT – Rock & Roll Doctor (1975 UK TV Performance) ~ HIGH QUALITY HQ …

    4. WhatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

      Awsome comment INDYY. I am at home right now reading with my children. We just had a wonderful meal prepared by my wife who is able to be at home and take great care of all of us. She is also able to help people through our church, preparing and delivering meals to people who can’t cook (because of illness) or people who need help with $ part. I will be heading off to my UNION job later to night, where it is safe and one income provides a great living for our family. And with the little extra money we get we are able to help people out who are not yet working for a union shop. See how this works folks?

      1. bobcat says:

        Are you really reading to your children? Or are you on Bill’s blog? ;)

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Oh, you don’t read Bill’s Blog to your children, bobcat?

        2. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

          Matt that was funny! My 7 year old was reading to me when i commented. A book he reads aloud. Youngest of five….heard it alot over the years.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Well, NOW the union dues YOU pay will provide benefits to leaches that opt out of paying dues all together. As the leaches drop out of the unions, those unions will get weaker and weaker thereby losing their ability to leverage management for those fair wages. At the state level, labor will lose its ability to compete with management and so then the voice of the working man is silenced. Over the next decade you’ll see your pay and benefits stagnate and shrink away. Right to Work states have a workforce that makes almost 12% less on average.

        Snyder signed a bill that reduces the wages of the middle class. The argument is that it creates jobs, but that’s only because everyone makes less. You should write him and his sister, Dick DeVos, a letter and thank them.

        1. Irish coffee says:

          Yes, we all know what the union dues, & associated power/privilege bought Hostess Baker’s union…they sure showed management who held the dough/Twinkies!

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          ?? Are you claiming twinkies are going away because of a union? That’s as ridiculous as blaming the UAW for GM’s former demise. Those are excuses CEOs use when they tank a company. Fools believe them.

  18. OWK says:

    The Hobbit opens this Friday! I can’t wait! Anyone else going to see it?

    1. Nathan says:

      Of course, cant wait!

    2. John (Holland) says:

      Of course!

  19. jesse says:

    For what it’s worth.

    LONG TERM…(SATURDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY)
    ISSUED AT 255 PM EST WED DEC 12 2012

    THE ECMWF AND GFS ARE AGAIN SIMILAR ON THE TRACK OF THE LOW MOVING
    THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN OVER THE WEEKEND. SIMILAR TO YESTERDAY THE
    GFS IS A BIT WARMER WHICH WOULD LEAD TO MORE RAIN. THIS SYSTEM BEING
    NEGATIVELY TILTED WILL LIKELY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MOISTURE. QPF
    AROUND A HALF INCH IS EXPECTED.

    FORECAST SOUNDINGS SUGGEST A MIX WITH LIGHT SNOW SUNDAY AFTERNOON
    NORTH OF I-96 AND A CHANGE TO LIGHT SNOW EVERYWHERE SUNDAY NIGHT.
    COOLER WEATHER EARLY NEXT WEEK RESULTS IN ANY PCPN BEING SNOW.

    BOTH MODELS STILL SHOW THE TUESDAY SYSTEM TAKING A TRACK ACROSS THE
    SRN US. HOWEVER THE ECMWF CONTINUES THE TREND OF DEVELOPING A
    SECONDARY LOW FARTHER NORTHWEST ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY. IN FACT THE
    GFS IS ALSO A BIT FARTHER NORTHWEST WITH THE TRACK OF THE LOW
    COMPARED TO YESTERDAY. IF THIS TREND CONTINUES WE COULD END UP
    SEEING SNOW AROUND MID WEEK.

    1. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

      The lakes and rivers need the precip., regardless of its type.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Good point…and positive perspective

    1. John (Holland) says:

      Hmm, looks like some lake effect just in time for Christmas.

  20. BJ says:

    I always love to read your vacation posts Bill. They are always so interesting. Happy Birthday to your wife!!! I too have little children come up to me all the time. I think they can sense when a person is honest. I have been told I look kind, so maybe that’s why. I also have people tell me I look like someone they know and they ask if I am related. This has happened consistently over the years and it is at the point now where it annoys me greatly. One man insisted I was a person he knew and I had to tell him politely that I was not that person (several times) since he wouldn’t believe me.
    Have a great vacation. I am looking forward to more information on Lake Michigan water levels that you said you were going to do more research on a couple posts back.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      gag me

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I don’t fly that way, Jack. Try Paul.

  21. bnoppe(Albion) says:

    Looks like a good amount of rain this weekend, I wish it was snow but we need it for the rivers none the less

  22. Nathan says:

    Just because we are not experiencing cold and snow (Mainly the cold part) doesn’t mean other areas in the world are warm too. The upper midwest was just hit by a snowstorm! The UP is getting hammered by snow! Europe is experiencing frigid temps… Get the point?

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      I believe the UP is experiencing below average snowfall as well. They just get way more.

  23. Mike (Caledonia) says:

    Wish we could get some snow in here. Us people that do snow removal for income in the winter are really starting to feel the pinch. Let the snow fly. Wonder how close we are to breaking records.

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Yes, and even if we don’t end up getting the snow and cold, a lot of construction companies can work more in these months. Leading to less seasonal layoffs.

    2. fixxxer says:

      So you want me to wish for snow so the plowers can make money?

      1. bobcat says:

        Or pray. Most of us like to earn a living.

  24. Nathan says:

    Its your wife’s birthday today Bill! And it is my birthday tomorrow!!

  25. PAUL says:

    Soon this pattern will break..
    Last week of December thru January we will see 50
    Plus inches of snow..
    Remember Lake Michigan is very warm for this time
    Of the year.

    1. fixxxer says:

      I think your gonna be disapointed.

  26. Dianne says:

    Bill, Love traveling vicariously, your stories are word pictures :) Thank you for sharing…
    Now, (for anyone) What are the odds of a white Christmas, My son will be home Tuesday for 12 days from the Air Force…he would so love a white Christmas, cheated out of it last year:)..Here is hoping for a White Christmas!! Merry Christmas All!

  27. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    There are still some snow piles around here where people plowed the snow (and in the shade) for yesterday. If they survive the rain, perhaps I will celebrate a white Christmas by going and having dimmer next to one of them.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Dinner :)

    2. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Models are always flip flopping. But look to be trending towards a colder, snowier pattern toward Christmas. You might be able to eat dinner inside now.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        That, or I need Santa to bring me a snow machine.

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Yes, Jack! Maybe all of us snow lovers should go in on one together… :)

        2. Brian(Grandville) says:

          This is my 3 year old boy’s updated Christmas list.
          a weed wacker
          a snow blower
          and the most recent, a chainsaw? What the……..

        3. Jack says:

          The Guy in The Pic. Made The Machine Himself. Also, Brian, Maybe your Son ,Saw The Chain Saw Scene on Nat. Lampoons Christmas Vac. We just watched the Movie Here Tonite. Just SAYIN .. ;-)

        4. Irish coffee says:

          Brian..that’s a BIG list…hope you have a union job to pay for all that! Then again, my best friend is a 1%er(farmer) who didn’t need a union to make a good living, so there is hope…come to think of it, all the real wealthy and rich folks i know DON’T belong to unions–hmmm, how can that be, if good paying jobs can only be achieved via unions? scare tactics?
          & hey Jack cue:*Hall and Oates, cause’ there is a union head in Lakeview district(B.C) making ~$130,000/yr or approx. TWICE the avg. teacher salary-*”I CAN’T GO FOR THAT” ;)

        5. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Haha, Brian! It sounds like your son is going to grow up to be a landscaper…

        6. Jack says:

          Irish Coffee, Your CUE Sir : I Can’t Go For That – Hall&Oates (Lyrics) – YouTube
          ► 3:40► 3:40
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuiVjsc_UsM
          Apr 6, 2011 – Uploaded by BriLikesBunnies8D
          D Lyrics to Hall&Oates’ song, I Can’t Go For That Sorry for any mistakes-.- But… Enjoy:D …

        7. Brad says:

          The point of union membership is not to be among the 1% or “wealthy.” Every third-world nation has wealthy people and heaving masses of the impoverished.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          Maybe the point of union membership is being able to be drunk or stoned and not lose your job, especially if you teach first grade: http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/10/bay_city_teachers_union_gave_4.html From the article:

          “The Bay City Public Schools teachers contract would allow teachers to come to school under the influence of alcohol five times before being fired, three strikes under the influence of drugs and two if teachers are caught selling drugs. The language has been in the contract since 1997.”

  28. Hehe that is definitely one way to look at that ;)

  29. Bill (Marysville) says:

    Bill it is a bit chilly here in the south, isn’t it?

  30. Judy says:

    Watch out going through those cliffs on I-75….I’ve seen lots of deer VERY close to the freeway! The waterfalls are cool to see….at least if you’re the passenger….the driver doesn’t get to look much since the speeds going through the mountains are quite high.

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