2/3rds of country with snow on the ground

January 2nd, 2013 at 3:40 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

     Click on the images to enlarge.  First on the left is the snowcover map from NOHRSC.   They say that as of the morning of Jan. 1, 66.6% of the Lower 48 states had a snow cover.   The average snow depth in the Lower 48 states was 5.9″.   This is the most snow on the ground in the Lower 48 on New Year’s Day since at least 1996 (as far back as we could check).  In the last 10 years, only 2010 with 61% snow cover comes close, with the next highest 46.7% in 2008.   Last year on New Year’s Day, we had only a 19.8% snow cover with an average depth of 1.6″.    I wouldn’t be surprised if the 66.6% is the highest we get this winter.  Not much snow in our forecast, the models print out a half inch to an inch with the Weds. Night/Thursday system.  The European model takes our temperatures back to the upper 30s early next week, so what little snow we have may not last.  The storm tracks remain well north and south of our area.  The GFS hints at colder air around 1/12, but there are mixed signals for getting anything more than a quick shot of Arctic air.

Also, the current solar cycle has been very week (note the diminishing trend in the graph on the right).  This from Joe D’Aleo:  “The highest solar 11-month running mean was last February after a burst in late 2011. The mean has declined since and December was the quietest in 10 months. The rise from the minimum of 3.25 years is unusually short even for a quiet sun and many believe another second higher max or comparable peak may follow in 2013 but still at levels roughly half that of the last cycle and down 75% from the prior two cycles.”       Also:   A Shell oil rig has run aground near Kodiak, Alaska.  This occurred during a fierce storm with 70-knot wind gusts and waves up to 50-feet high!  Here’s an interesting way to dispose of your Christmas Tree.  And…can you solve the riddle? (send the blog link to a friend and see if they can solve it).

Also, we’ve had just 65 minutes of sunshine in the past 8 days in G.R.  We had 18% of possible sun in December.  December is usually our cloudiest month and it’s the month with the shortest amount of daylight…but this December was even cloudier than usual.  Snow cover Weds. AM:  1″ Grand Rapids, Ionia, Rockford, Hastings, Muskegon, Alma…2″ Lansing, Big Rapids, S. Bend…3″ Hart…4″ Baldwin, Fort Wayne…5″ Houghton Lake…7″ Lake City, 10″ Newberry and S. Ste Marie, 11″ Gaylord, 13″ Marquette and Grand Marais.  Here’s the snowcam from Twin Lakes.

144 Responses to “2/3rds of country with snow on the ground”

  1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Interesting post, however if just makes the GGR SNOW DROUGHT seem even worse! We are entrenched in a NO SNOW PATTERN and that are NO SNOWSTORMS in sight! Get used to it people.

    1. Nathan says:

      One tomorrow, perhaps 3 inches! Maybe more in a few areas.

    2. Tim from Zeeland says:

      Wait, you said snow storm for the 14th. Thats a bust now too. Oh darn. lol

  2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

    Ouch, way too early for that riddle. I’ll try later.

    1. michael g (SE GR) says:

      I quickly realized, that in this way at least, I’m a member of the 98%.

  3. Slimjim says:

    On the snow cover map the area of little snow cover in central lower Michigan shows up real well. We are going to Universal today, Looks to be another nice sunny warm day with temps near 80. We will start our trip north tommarow as its back to work on Monday.

  4. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

    The riddle looks interesting…I used to have a book of similar riddles when I was a kid. I know that you have to set up a sort of chart in order to solve it, with the people on the Y-axis and the different categories (cigarettes, pets) on the X-axis. I’m not sure what you would do with the houses, but I’m guessing that once you figured out the cigarettes and pets, you’d have enough clues to figure out who lived in which house.

    1. Lisa (Caledonia) says:

      There’s a GameBoy game that is similar to this sort of logic puzzle, but involves numbers. It’s called Mario’s Picross: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-_5PXhCKo

    2. Brad says:

      These puzzles also appear in the LSAT, though they usually involve fewer variables.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        I’ll have to ask my daughter. She rocked the LSAT.

        1. Brad says:

          I forgot she was a lawyer. Yeah, she certainly saw these puzzles on the LSAT, where they’re timed…

    1. Michael g (se gr) says:

      Wow, 2% of the earth’s surface was that warm. Factor in the other 98% of the globe and you get less than +.04* C. Big freaking deal.

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      So if you included in the rest of the world, how do you think the year rated?

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        As an aside, how come we never see a thread on the state of the now third year of the worst drought in southern US history? Are we pretending it doesn’t exist??


        1. Mike M. says:

          Aren’t you glad that modern droughts are hardly noticeable? Droughts were much worse when CO2 was much lower in the thirties and fifties. BTW, we missed the story where droughts weren’t supposed to occur ever again you big fat idiot.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Not the worst drought in U.S. History: http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/screenhunter_365-dec-28-22-48.jpg?w=640&h=535

          This from Dr. John Nielsen-Gammon ,the State Climatologist of Texas: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.” http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=5113

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          So Mike M, what you’re saying is that higher CO2 levels are causing droughts to be less severe? That’s bizarre. And Bill, read my post again, I wrote worst drought in the southern US. Both of you should remember that the drought in the 30s had a lot to do with land misuse. Many of those practices have been corrected.

          My question was only why WOOD TV ignores stories like this one or ‘hottest summer in Grand Rapids history’ or ‘hottest decade on record’ or ‘hottest month the northern hemisphere has ever had’ in favor of how cold Alaska is and other unimportant crap.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          What do you mean by the “Southern U.S.” Give me a list of states or a defined geographic area and I’ll compare 2012 to 1934.

          Here’s the drought of 1934: http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/env/drought/1934in.gif The drought was coast-to-coast. There wasn’t a lot of agriculture going on west of the Central Plains. Agricultural practices had an effect on the amount of dust/dirt that blew around, but it had little if any effect on rainfall.

          You are a political zealot and not really interested in weather. Global warming represents an opportunity to advance your schemes and your cronyism. If Michigan was cold and Alaska was warm, you’d be begging for more stories on Alaska. This is a blog. I write about what interests me. You’re free to start your own blog and claim that Romney is a polygamist or that global temperature will go down if you could just confiscate the millions of Derek Jeter or Greg Jennings.

          Here’s an interesting story: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/delhi-coldest-day-in-44-years-maximum-temp-97-degree-celsius/313518-3.html Coldest day in 44 years in India and yet another 15 people dead from the cold…that’s over 200 this winter.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          I’m the zealot?? LOL I don’t run a blog who’s sole purpose is to mislead the public about the science of climate change. I don’t use my celebrity to bash teachers and auto workers and push an extremist conservative agenda. What a joke. I’m only here because I stumbled upon one of your rants by accident. I couldn’t believe a local weatherman had the balls to call democrats socialists and NAZIs and accuse NASA of falsifying its data so that it could get more tax dollars. I’m a moderate who cares about the environment. You’re the zealot.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          You’re a moderate like Al Gore invented the Internet! LOL!! You don’t run a blog because no one would read it! You support drunk teachers in Bay City. I support keeping children safe. The union didn’t do that in Bay City. I support Clint Tarver, the African-American hot dog vender who had his cart and personal property destroyed by vandals from the union. They shouted the worst racial insults you can imagine at this poor man. I pointed out the obvious, that Adolph Hitler was a socialist. The 2nd half of his famous book, Mein Kampf is entitled “The National Socialist Movement” and that NAZI stood for the National Socialist Party.

          I care about the environment. Wasting money like this: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle and this: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house doesn’t help the environment and I pointed out that you won’t budge global temperature a hundredth of a degree by forcing people to buy carcinogen-filled light bulbs.

        7. Brad says:

          Bill, it’s a good thing you stuck to meteorology, because you display gross misunderstanding of pretty much every other intellectual discipline. By the way, do you know Clint Tarver? I’ll ask him about you the next time I say hello.

        8. Brad says:

          By the way, you should also talk with a political scientist (you know, an educated baddie) about the National “Socialist” Party to learn “what’s in a name.” It may be enlightening. But, not so much if you’re an authoritarian who worships ideology.

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          Well, who can be as smart as you, Brad? When you see Clint, just ask him if he is OK – I was worried about him. He was roughed up pretty bad by the union thugs…physically and emotionally. Physical abuse is bad enough, but racial insults and intimidation like he had to endure is despicable.

          Hitler was a socialist. His party was the Socialist Party. Germany was not capitalistic. While many industries had private owners, they were told what to produce, how much to produce, the method of production, the distribution process and the price of the goods produced. In fact, Germany had strict wage and price controls before the war (1935 or 36 – it was before my father was over there in 1938). There was little liberty relative to what we have enjoyed in the U.S. Stalin’s brand of socialism/communism and Hitler’s brand of socialism were two of the greatest evils of modern times.

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          A rising tide lifts all boats, Bill. The tide in Michigan is sinking fast. Degenerate economic conservatism (corporatisation), the opposite of socialism, is as dangerous as communism. And that’s what you’re fighting for, economics that grant maximum benefit to a tiny minority. The US is supposed to be a balance between these two ideals. The GOP has moved so far right that anything moderate looks radical to you. We moderates don’t want a socialist government, but we do like the comfort of social security, public libraries, and a public police force. We like the idea of capitalism as long as it’s accessible to everyone. Your party is reworking the system to sharpen the divide between the elite minority and the sinking middle class.

          We need the tide to rise, weatherman.

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          From this article in the Detroit Free Press: http://www.freep.com/article/20121008/BUSINESS06/121008043/University-of-Michigan-economists-economic-forecast

          ““We do see some pickup in the economy going into 2013 and continuing through 2014,” George Fulton, an economist at the university’s (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) Research Seminar in Quantitative Economics, wrote in a recently released economic forecast.

          He and other economists at the university expect Michigan’s economy to add 45,900 jobs this year, followed by 50,800 new positions in 2013 and 63,100 jobs in 2014. Last year, the state gained 63,800 jobs.

          Even with this job growth, Michigan still has a long way to go to recoup the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost during the last decade.” (that would be the Granholm years)

          That’s quite a turnaround from the Granholm years, when unemployment was at over 14% – higher than another other state. The most important point is that under Granholm, Michigan did much worse than other states. Now, under Snyder, the state is progressing faster than most other states. Actually, in terms of economic improvement, were listed as #2 behind North Dakota, where there is an oil boom that the EPA hasn’t found a way to stop yet.

          Today we reported that the SW Michigan unemployment rate is now 7.2% – significantly lower than the national average of 7.8%.

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          So the economy in Michigan has vastly improved under Barack Obama. That’s great news and probably why he swept the state in November. Sure is an improvement over how we did under GWB. Imagine if Obama had let Detroit go bankrupt like Romney had suggested.

          BTW, unemployment is 8.9% in Michigan, while the rest of the country is enjoying 7.7%. I’m not sure, but is looks like Snyder’s holding us back. Think that might have something to do with his raising taxes on the vast majority of job producers, the middle class?

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          Absolute nonsense…what a joke! Detroit is STILL bankrupt! What’s changed?? http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121207/OPINION03/212070365

          The unemployment rate under George Bush averaged 5.3%. The unemployment rate today is higher than it was when George Bush left office! Sucking more money out of the economy with the new taxes (payroll tax hitting 78% of households…all the Obamacare taxes, for which we don’t get a dime’s worth of medical care for this year) won’t help. The deficits continue to mushroom and Reid still can’t come up with a budget as he is required to do by law. Snyder got over 58% of the vote, including large numbers of young people. Bernero only got 29% of the vote in Kent County and 19% in Ottawa County. Nearly 700,000 people who voted for Obama voted AGAINST Proposal 2.

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          GWB inherited the Clinton economy. Obama inherited the Bush economy. Seriously, you want to compare numbers. LOL

          Have a look at the rate of unemployment between 2007 and the middle of 2009. That’s Bush’s legacy. And then have a look at what happens when Obama’s policies take effect, stimulus, bailout of GM, etc. Numbers don’t lie, but you sure do!


        15. Bill Steffen says:

          Harry Reid is NOT doing what Bill Clinton did! Bill Clinton reformed welfare. He had 3 balanced budgets. Again, the unemployment rate is higher today…four years later, than it was when Bush left office. What’s you’re plan to bring it down to the 5.3% average of the Bush years? What’s the plan?

  5. Dan says:

    The riddle is awesome and its that kind of stuff that I enjoy delving into based upon the clues given. I’m going to try my hand at it to see if I can get it right later when I have some more time. It could be the process of elimination or the clues contain the answer to who owns that fish. I will figure it out! Do you have more of these riddles, Bill?

  6. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Off topic I know, but I can’t help it. I am endlessly amazed by the failure in Washington. The fiscal cliff was set up in order to force the spineless morons we elected to deal with the fact that they are spending more than 1 trillion (that’s ONE MILLION MILLIONS) that they don’t have every year.

    Instead, they are patting themselves on the back for “working together” in a “bi-partisan manner” to both raise tax AND increase future deficits. Truly awe inspiring in it’s stupidity.

    1. fixxxer says:

      from what im hearing we wont even get our tax returns until march or so this year. any way the government can stick it to us.

      1. michael g (SE GR) says:

        How do you get a tax return when you have no job?

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Not all of us are successful dishwashers like yourself.

        2. fixxxer says:

          mike your about the biggest idiot on here. my wife works thats how. the less money you make the more of a return you get. please try harder to troll or be funny.

        3. fixxxer says:

          sure glad my settlement wasn’t taxable! ;)

          seriously mike every post you make about me getting a job makes you look jealous. you go through 2 years of hell with workers comp and doctors and a borked wrist and tell me how that pans out. im glad it’s over and yes ill be looking for work come this spring.

    2. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

      Michael, I agree with you 100%. We have runaway spending with borrowed money, a recipe for disaster. I’m hoping that the upcoming debt ceiling issue may force the hand of the money squanderers.

    3. Kris says:

      The famous “Political Dance” – one step forward, three steps backward and at least one side step.

    4. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      I’m just happy to see the increased taxes fall at 450k and not 250k.

      Better get used to it. We have 4 more years of Obama and then another 8 with Hillary.

    5. big Daddy BC says:

      You idiots are trying to protect the very people who put us in the recession. Trickle down does NOT work. Way to go, Obama! YOU THE PRES!

      1. Jacob G says:

        Yeah tax and destroy the job creators, entrepreneurs and investments that made all of our lives more prosperous and increased our prosperity in the pursuit of happiness. While we are at let’s go back to the horse and buggy that way we will be green friendly. Freaking joke there is 50 million in this deal for Algae for green power, what a joke. If you can’t see what this guy is doing to destroy this country wake up people. Oh and last but not least for all those business owners “you didn’t build it” the government helped you build it.

        1. Brad says:

          Nice emotional rant! Misguided, but passionate.

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        Obama and Democrats…taxing the poor and giving tax breaks to wealthy cronies:

        “The expiration of the payroll-tax holiday will reduce the real income of middle-class and working-poor households by around 1.5 percent on average. So while the fiscal-cliff deal raises taxes on those making $400,000 and up, it also raises taxes on workers in the bottom income-tax bracket, anyone who does pay payroll taxes. Republicans would have been happy to extend all of those tax cuts into the future, but President Obama and his Democratic allies insisted on tax increases — knowing full well that would mean tax increases on the poor.

        But not all the rich folks got a tax hike. As usual, well-connected special interest groups — from Hollywood to the booze lobby — secured sweetheart deals for their own narrow interests. So the industry that employs Sean Penn and Ed Asner gets a nice big fat tax break, and poor people with jobs get the shaft. The people who rail against “corporate welfare” and “crony capitalism” took the time to cut a nice side deal for the rum industry. You will notice that the Bacardi family is not poor. That’s Washington.

        1. Brad says:

          Bill Steffen, professional political hack! At least you keep exposing your funders through this kind of post.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          LOL I love how repubs are so opposed to raising taxes yet generally run on a deficit reduction platform. You can’t pay the bills if you don’t have an income, kids. The payroll holiday tax needed to go away. It was only supposed to be there temporarily as a stimulus measure. It worked.

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Agreed. Imagine if we stopped giving billions in taxes every year to companies like Exxon.

          “In 2011 the three largest U.S. oil companies made a combined profit of more than $80 billion. They don’t need more help from taxpayers who are already having a tough time filling up their tanks.”

          “American oil is booming. Domestic oil production is the highest it’s been in eight years. We’ve quadrupled the number of operating oil rigs to a record high. We’ve added enough oil and gas pipeline to circle the Earth and then some. For two years in a row, we’ve made more oil here in the United States than we bought from other countries.”

          “We use more than 20 percent of the world’s oil, but we only have 2 percent of the world’s known oil reserves. That means that even if we drilled every drop of American oil tomorrow, we’d still have to buy oil from other countries to make up the difference.”


        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Be very specific…what oil subsidies to Exxon do you want to stop? Be very specific…and explain why that difference wouldn’t be passed along at the pump to the lower and middle class.

          Can we then stop the more massive subsidies to GM, Chrysler, and GE?

          You don’t even want to buy oil from other friendly countries. The Canadians have offered. You’d more into forcing people to buy carcinogen-filled light bulbs.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          I’d say $80 billion in profits is enough, wouldn’t you? Do we really need to pile billions more of our tax dollars on top of that? Make sense, man. Explain to all of us how subsidizing the most lucrative business on Earth is helping Michigan’s middle class. If they raise fuel prices to maintain that $80 billion profit, we’ll all see it.
          Yet another argument for why we need to look elsewhere for energy. Yet you continually wage a public fight against fuel efficient cars, wind/solar generated electricity, and absolutely any measure that might protect us against these corporate thugs. Could it be that you’re being paid to say these thing?? LOL

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          You can’t be specific because you don’t know anything about Exxon’s oil subsidies. The least you can do is go to google and at least try to give us something specific. Tell us exactly what subsidy you’d like to cut. The movie industry gets huge subsidies and they make huge profits. Would you go on record to end movie/film subsidies? Also, the most lucrative business on Earth is the government.

          You keep lying about my views, so I’ll clarify again. I am NOT against fuel-efficient cars. I own a Vibe. I am not against the Chevy Volt. A lot of people like their Chevy Volts. But the average income of a Volt owner is $165,000 a year and giving them a big subsidy is not a good use of public funds. The 10K tax credit would be more useful and help the environment more overall if they spread that money around to other vehicles…maybe 1K for buying a Prius or or 2K for trading in a old guzzler for a Chevy Cruze. I’d prefer a market-based auto industry, not having the Federal government giving massive subsidies based on how you’re politically connected.

          I am not against wind energy, but I do point out its limitations. First of all, wind energy gets massive government subsidies. Second, you get no wind energy when the wind isn’t blowing. The U.S. Dept. of Energy says that most of Michigan is “poor” or “marginal” for wind energy: http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/media/images/2012/wind%20energy%20michigan.JPG and on the hottest days and coldest nights, when we need energy the most, the wind is often calm. On July 6, 2012, the hottest day of last summer, the average wind speed over Southern Lower Michigan was 2-5 mph. Those wind turbines would be as idle as Ford Field during the NFL playoffs.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          Do you truly believe that wind farms have no way to store energy for windless days? Seriously. As I explained in multiple posts on several threads, turbines do not need to continue to turn 24 hours a day. Holy smokes, do you think when the hamster stops running the lights all go out? Energy is stored in multiple ways and even if it runs out, we do have an entire grid that employs several different electricity producing strategies. Again, you always take this extremist, black and white position.

          Your position on energy efficient cars has always been presented as negative. I even witnessed a conversation between you and several others that joked about VOLTS and PRIUSES catching fire. Sad and pathetic.

          As far as Exxon and Peabody’s subsidies go, cut them all. When you make $10 billion a quarter, you shouldn’t be entitled to our hard-earned tax dollars. I’m not sure what else you’re asking. We pay Exxon through the nose every time we fill up. Oil is the most lucrative industry on Earth. The only reason the government started subsidies was when the automobile was invented and we needed to make gas widely available. I think we’re past that at this point. The film industry gets subsidies to attract studios to other states. If it creates jobs and benefits the state economically, I’m not sure what the harm is. Kind of an apples and oranges comparison, don’t you think?

          I don’t misrepresent your position. It’s easy to see. Calling democrats NAZIs or communists is way to pit capitalism against socialism, it’s a tool you can use to demonize public schools, programs like medicare, universal health care, labor unions, and welfare. Most of us are moderates that feel all of these things have value. We’re not corporations. We’re people.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          You don’t have a clue, do you? I repeat…name a specific subsidy that is paid to Exxon. You think there are dozens…all I want you to do is name one…one specific subsidy that you would cut (that would not be passed along to the lower and middle class at the pump). Just one.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Do you not understand what a subsidy is? Is that the hick-up you’re having in this discussion? LOL

          Cutting ALL subsidies to companies like Exxon will only hurt us at the pump if they insist on keeping that $80 billion per year profit.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Again…tell me what SPECIFIC subsidy that is paid to Exxon that you would cut out…just one…one SPECIFIC subsidy…that can be eliminated without the cost being passed on to the lower and middle class at the pump…just one.

    6. Irish coffee says:

      oh, come on Michael….Obama is just trying to use a balanced approach w/ job killing tax increases and spending C.., OOPS, almost wrote CUTS!!–RULING ELITES want to raise taxes and spending/debt ceiling! That is what intoxicating amounts of POWER will do- get gov’t employees/elected officials(from BOTH SIDES of aisle) higher than a kite/drunker than a skunk on Jack Daniels.Obama is just starting to get his GROOVE back as he sinks into his Hawaiin lounge chair and eases into his Southern Comfort -zone. He doesn’t want schools filled w/ guns…UNLESS his girls attend there; in which case there is approx. 12 ARMED guards/security on premises.The same way he thinks avg. Joe should be overjoyed w/ public schools & Obamacare …meanwhile he and his Congressional cronies enjoy the finest in healthcare and private schooling on the backs of HARD-working taxpayers!! Talk about your privilege and POWER TRIP…..$16 TRILLION OR $25 TRILLION/ SCHMILLION in DEBT,Obama doesn’t give a Siberian SHITzu what our children grandchildren are left with- he just wants to “FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM” our country/economy from Capitalism/free market to 2nd class ‘has been’ SOCIAL-STATISM ;(

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Somebody drank the Kool-Aide. Wow!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          The Kool-Aid (no “e” at the end) has frozen up in Canada. Look at this: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/cold-revs-up-highway-network-185134621.html Extreme early cold means ice roads open earlier this season.

        2. big Daddy BC says:


          Gotta love those little victories. You get so few.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Heavy snow in Vietnam! http://talkvietnam.com/2013/01/heavier-snowfall-in-hoang-lien-mountain-range/#.UOUOkKzNmSp 65% of the Lower 48 states has a snowcover! Hundreds die from the cold…

          In India: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/delhi-coldest-day-in-44-years-maximum-temp-97-degree-celsius/313518-3.html (another 15 dead from the cold) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20842932 (25 dead)

          In Russia: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/12/28/2012122800375.html (another 123 dead)

          In Mongolia: http://ubpost.mongolnews.mn/?p=2211 (possibility of a million dead livestock)

          In Nepal: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/752403.shtml (17 dead in 10 days)

          In the Ukraine: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20809898 (dozens dead) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20854479 (90 dead)

          In Poland: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/dozens-die-in-poland-cold-snap-578660.html (60 dead)

          In Bulgaria, Romania, and Turkey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20807587

          In Siberia, the HIGH temperature on 1/1/13 at Verkoyansk was -54F.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          You’re not supposed to capitalize the ‘n’ in Vietnam. Come on, Bill. You’re better than that!

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s one more…people dying from the cold right here in the U.S.!! http://www.kenvtv.com/news/story/Cold-Weather-Deaths-1-3-2013/IEjESX1KDUqMYtPiZ3_xcQ.cspx

          Temperatures over the past week have averaged 22 degrees colder than normal in Elko, Nevada. Only two of the last ten days have had low temperatures above zero. The average high/low for Elko now is 36/13. The high/low for the past 3 days: 7/-14, 10/-16, 7/-17. Ely, Nevada has been 13.5 degrees colder than average over the past 11 days. In Las Vegas, 14 of the last 16 days have been colder than average, and it hasn’t been warmer than the low 50s in the last week. In Tucson, Arizona – the temperature this past week has been eight degrees colder than average.

  7. fixxxer says:

    gloom & doom all fall and so far this winter. lets get some sun bill!

  8. Honey Boo Boo says:

    Says it needs to get cold so I can go ice fisghing getting low on food in the ranch everybody is hung, mad……….

  9. Mike Geukes says:

    Last day we seen some good sun was back on December 22. and December only saw
    18 percent of possible sunshine. I like the lack of snow, but I hate seeing it on the ground. How depressing. I do suffer from Seasonal affective disorder.

    1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

      OMG I hear you Mike G, I’m tired of this cloud cover I’m willing to compromise with mother nature and be happy with 1/2-1/2, 3 1/2 days of pure sun, 3 1/2 days of cloud cover during the winter. But it would be generous of her to throw in more sun than clouds.

  10. Skot says:

    Let cabin fever begin.

  11. Brian(Grandville) says:

    NWS seems pretty confident of a solid 2-4″ snowfall along and west of 131 tonight through tomorrow.

    1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

      But haven’t they been opposite this year???

    2. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

      Oh wait it’s a new year lol maybe they will be better this year?

    3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      GR will be lucky to see even an inch of snow in this SNOW DROUGHT!

      1. Nathan Anthony says:

        Rocky, your very wrong again!

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          I hope that I am WRONG!

        2. Kris McHale says:

          Ease up, Rocky has been pretty dead on for the last three months, unfortunately.

  12. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    To continue a discussion with BDBC – BDBC wrote:

    big Daddy BC says:
    January 2, 2013 at 12:30 am
    Okay, but don’t forget that we’re subsidizing ALL of our energy producers. Let’s compare apples to apples, because the subsidies that coal receives would change those numbers as well. As far as wind being available 24/7, good point, one that’s made often. Your observation about current wind speed probably wasn’t from 200 feet up where the rotor hub is. The answer to that is exactly as you put it. Wind could never be a sole source of electricity, neither could solar or water, but used in tandem with so-called clean coal or natural gas, it would reduce those pollutants.
    That wind farm does produce electricity anytime the wind blows and does store it or send it down the wire for sale. It’s powering 50,000 homes in Michigan right now.

    Hey BDBC! First off, remeber this little ditty?

    Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says


    Back to your post… Yes we do subsidize all sort of energy options. The difference being that for the most part the subsidies that go to fossil fuels actually produce lots and lots of energy (remember, these go primarily to small and medium sized companies, not the giants) where as most of the susidies for so called green energy, beg my pardon, have simply gone up in smoke. Or perhaps better put, flushed down the toilet with little to show for the “investment”. Solyndra alone cost the US taxpayers nearly $535 million with zero to show for it.

    Nor do I have a problem with a “mixed” energy approach, so long as it makes sense as a viable option. As I think we agree on, if the wind isn’t blowing, those turbines aren’t producing. So then what other option is there other than brownouts/blackouts? We find ourselves back to old reliable fossil fuels and nuclear (for the most part – not a big fan of river based hydro power…). Look – people and companies are working on all kinds of “cool” stuff. Geothermal and tidal (the power of the oceans) come to mind. I seem to remember a research project out of Scotland I believe that was investigating the viability of harnessing power from the constant wave action of the North Sea. That’s a pretty cool project – if it works. I also seem to remember that there is an “energy storage” facility in W.VA that has the capacity to deliver a gigawatt of power over a 4-6 hour period before the “battery” dies. If shown to be a viable and profitable option, then these things will survive just as Edison did with the help of J.P. Morgan. (Although I still can’t help but wonder “what if” had Tesla been more successful…) I have to run some errands, I’ll check back later with a comment on oil. Oh – BTW – anyone keeping tabs on comet ISON? Pretty cool if it pans out!


    1. big Daddy BC says:

      I remember that article. Abdussamatov’s speculation was never supported by any data. A correlation of the kind he found is only a correlation if you can’t follow the process. Abdussamatov grabbed a few headlines in ’07, but that was it. The more likely culprit over solar activity is planetary wobbling, but you know that brings up an interesting point. People are under the misconception that scientists are all joined together in some fraternal brotherhood and if one says something, no matter how out there it is, they must all believe it. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The peer review process does just the opposite. This Russian dude was dismissed because he hadn’t followed the process. All he had was a coincidence. I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but his latest assertion is that we’re going to begin a new ice age in 2014. He said this last year. We’ll see.

      I’d also like to address your concern regarding energy storage from wind and solar generators. So what stops all the lights from going out when the wind stops blowing? Energy can be stored in a variety of ways. It can be used to compress air which is then used to spin a turbine. It can be used in electrolysis to produce hydrogen and create fuel cells. It can also be absorbed into the grid or stored in batteries. As I said before, 133 turbines in Gratiot County are powering 50,000 homes. That wind farm is producing so much extra electricity that they’re selling it across state lines

      Your mention of geothermal too is important. It’s a very practical, easy way to remove heat from the ground and put it inside. All it takes is a pump, a condenser, and some tubbage. I’ve actually toured a few large scale facilities that have incorporated this technology. It works well, saves money, and reduces your carbon footprint.

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      We weren’t talking to you Bill. This was actually a level-headed conversation. We’ll call when we’re ready for Woody Woodpecker.

      1. Kris McHale says:

        It would be cool to show some respect for your fellow man. We all want to see better forms of energy, and the most efficient and effective ones will be used, if they can make a profit. Bill’s point was that getting the government involved in anything that requires wisdom never works out well.

        Surely a man as educated as yourself can concede that point, and a few others if you just read the words and weigh what they mean before lashing back out. You both make good points. One of you is more succinct with facts and thus more influential and convincing.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        What’s exactly is succinct about flashing links to supposed misappropriations cases?? It has nothing to do with the argument other than to add an emotional component. He really is a raving, frothing, corporate tool. I’m sorry if you don’t appreciate my tone, but I’ve been abused plenty by kindly old uncle Bill.
        And besides, I’ve read many of your posts too. You’re hardly an impartial third party weighing in objectively on the debate. You’re a GOP crony who, like so many others on here, longs for Bill’s affections. Maybe he’ll pat you on the head because you were so brave. Good luck, Kris.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          All insults, that’s all you’ve got left…It’s not “supposed” misappropriations. Check out the story we did on LG CHEM: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

          I’m still waiting for your list of subsidies paid to Exxon that you’d like to cut that won’t be passed along to the lower and middle class at the pump.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Wow, the crack reporting team at LIN Media busted another one wide open. You guys sure work hard when it fits your ideology! Right-wing investigative reporting…that’s hilarious. Isn’t that what Nixon called Watergate.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          It was a great story! 151 MILLION DOLLARS of our tax dollars WASTED! They didn’t produce a single battery! Our local story prompted coverage by the national mainstream media! Here, check the story again: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle I think we should nominate this story for an Emmy!

          WOOD-TV just had our biggest year ever! Thanks to all the money that came in to promote Proposal 2. You’ve got to do another proposal. Personally, I’d like you to try the same one…just run Proposal 2 again…and pony up another 23 million dollars for TV spots. This time…remember to buy banner ads on Bill’s Blog. Millions of hits here each year!

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          I bet you made a lot of money on Romney ads too! Congratulation on all your corporate success! It’s nice to see that even as the middle class sinks lower and lower under this corporate elitist administration, their media buddies are doing well. Not really.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          No we didn’t. There were very few Romney ads. We made our money off the Proposals. Thanks, bigD! It’s nice to have some of your money in my pocket! The 23 million dollars that you wasted could have helped a lot of charities, hired teachers, helped the environment.

          Now, you’ve got to start that petition drive up again. Proposal Two ReDo! And this time, double the amount of advertising…I’d shoot for 50 million in TV ads…and don’t forget to buy banner ads on Bill’s Blog. With millions of page views each year, it’s the perfect spot to get that message of protecting drunk and stoned teachers in Bay City to the …ahem…”middle class”!!!

  13. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Big time thaw still on track. I thought the beginning of winter would be warm before a good chance at turning colder Jan/Feb. Looks like I was wrong.

    The whole winter might turn out to be a scorcher.

    1. Michael g (se gr) says:

      Massive scorching thaw!! Above freezing in the afternoons from about Sunday or Monday through Thursday or Friday. That MUST mean that the rest of the winter will be blazing hot too!

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Yes, winter looks like a total BUST. We are on pace for the WORST WINTER EVER!

    3. DF (SE Mich) says:

      The average high is around 31° this time of year. I am not seeing anything I would define as a “scorcher” coming anytime soon.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        December was almost 6 degrees above average! If above average temps continue for Jan (as many models currently suggest), then, yes, overall winter will be a scorcher.

        1. DF (SE Mich) says:

          Your analysis of the definition is much different than mine. =)

  14. Dan says:

    Yes! We could also end up with snow and cold temps in April. Who needs that?
    The fact of the matter is, its January 2nd. The last I checked we are still officially in the winter season. Nobody truly knows what will happen! We could get buried at the end of this month or we could break records for unprecedented warmth. I love it that so many people post on here and they almost guarantee what will happen with the weather.
    There are only two guarantees, You will pay taxes and you will pay more taxes!

    1. Michael g (se gr) says:

      One more. No matter how much you pay in taxes, Washington will spend even more.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        GWB certainly proved that.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          No one but you and your delusional cyber buddies believe that. Have a look at this fantastic breakdown of how Bush created this deficit. It’s a miracle that Obama was able to dig us out as well as he has.


        2. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

          Bill, i was watching the link you posted a bit ago about the railroads! That is amazing! That is until a realized that these are probably union workers making fairly good money. All of the sudden i hate these people! No good union thugs who on their lunch break are probably going to beat up some black hot dog vendors. G-D thugs. I bet every single thought they have is evil…..watching this video now makes me sick. From now on after reading this blog i am going to vote straight ticket republican. Because as far back as i can read on this blog if we all would have done so we would be living in a utopia with absolutely zero corruption, two suburbans in every garage, and 150″ snowfalls every winter.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          We don’t know who the railroad workers were. I’ll note that only a very few were involved in the assaults and vandalism at the Capitol in Lansing. Those few should have been arrested and prosecuted. Those who would intimidate, to destroy the right of free speech and free association, either through violence or racial insults (in this case, both) are despicable. The union’s reputation is tarnished when their members engage in this action (or when they fight to protect drunk and stoned teachers in Bay City: http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/10/bay_city_teachers_union_gave_4.html). In a perfect world, there would be enough pressure from the majority of union members to see that this doesn’t happen again.

          The deficit has grown more under Obama than all previous Presidents combined. Here’s an interesting take on deficits and the National Debt: http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

          My father was in a union for many years, the Musician’s Union. Back then the union was all about finding work for its members and working hand-in-hand with employer’s and potential employers. Employer’s called the union because they knew they’d get a quality product for a fair price. The union would not have tolerated the racist, violent behavior of it’s members like what was done to Clint Tarver. Those individuals would have been kicked out of the union.

        4. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

          Bill look at your link. Then look at this column Top-bracket marginal income tax rate. I think i see the problem. Correct me if i am wrong.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Don’t you mean that in your perfect world, unions don’t exist?

          And honestly, Romensia must be contagious. There was a reason why the RNC didn’t include a single member of the Bush team. Blaming Obama for Bush’s disaster is like blaming the maid for the mess.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          In a perfect world, a union would not insist on protecting drunk and stoned teachers. They would be interested in protecting children. In a perfect world, the union would condemn assault, battery and the shouting of the most vile of racial slurs by their members toward a poor, unarmed African-American hot dog vendor, even if only to eliminate the negative publicity. Those who committed these crimes should be disciplined by the union (and arrested). The people of Michigan saw this happen and saw the lack of response from the union bosses.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          Michigan’s union bosses are teachers and plumbers, your viewers, the ones you denigrate regularly on this blog.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          Union thugs attacked Clint Tarver. Union thugs destroyed his business. Union thugs called him the “N” word. Union thugs ripped up the tent with box cutters and knives. They don’t represent the middle class.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Are you saying teachers and plumbers cut up a tent and beat a black man down?

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          I’ll guess it wasn’t teachers. Check this out: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121212/POLITICS02/212120459 It says:

          “…protesters of the right-to-work law the Legislature was passing and voting on tore down a tent rented by the Michigan chapter of Americans for Prosperity. Witnesses and Internet videos show protesters, some wearing union clothes, using knives or box cutters to cut the tent’s ropes.

          Clint Tarver, owner of Clint’s Hot Dog Cart, said he was trapped inside as the tent came down and damaged his catering equipment.”

          The thugs also show a reporter getting punched a number of times by several union thugs.
          There were 8 arrested and 7 were SEIU members.

  15. Honey Boo Boo says:

    Long range has temps in the 40′s and mid 40′s January thaw,Michigan has not been that cold not good for ice fishing..

  16. Michael g (se gr) says:

    I think a fair over/under for tomorrow would be 2″ in GR. I’ll take the under.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      I’ll take the way under!

  17. Derek says:

    In the riddle, I believe the German owns the fish. If you’re good at Sudoku, this shouldn’t be too tricky, the underlying logic is very similar.

    1. Brad says:

      Despite my messy diagram that is the answer I finally arrived at too. Cool puzzle.

  18. kevin. w says:

    Forget winter the new euro weeklies are a joke and I don’t see but only one possibility for snow and even thats a chance which is borderline for rain or snow all the way til the first week of Feb. The last two day runs of the GFS show storms to the north and to the south and not even one flake over Michigan. Maybe one of these winters will probably make up for lost cause.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      WINTER is looking like a compete BUST! We are still on track for the WORST WINTER EVER!

  19. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

    I don’t see why the national weather service gave you guys 3-4″ snowfall forecast because all the models +twc only give you guys less than or equal to 1″ probably going to be another one of the grr Nws fail haha! Good luck tonight!

  20. phlrnnr says:

    339 PM EST WED JAN 2 2013

    339 PM EST WED JAN 2 2013













    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Hopefully they don’t have to cancel it like last time.

    2. Todd In Nunica says:

      mmmm so news 8 says starting at or just before morning rush hr but NWS puts advisory from 10pm tonight……..BIG difference in time frame……like 8 hrs…..can we not narrow the time frame any better?

    3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Most should expect and inch of snow or less and the advisory will probably get cancelled AGAIN!!

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Southwest lake enhanced events seem to pack some pretty big surprises around here….it could end up being the opposite, where we get some good snow. As the NWS eludes to in their discussion, we will not have to sit around twiddling our thumbs waiting for cold air to move in…it’s already here.

        1. Todd In Nunica says:

          I agree, biggest surprises have been Sw flows …..in fact I remember one just like this a few years back…..they issued a winter storm warning after we got 8″…..lol

        2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Lol…I remember that… Winter 2010-2011 had some good surprises in SW flow. I remember, because it is the only somewhat good winter I have experienced here so far! :)

  21. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    And to think… we may be flirting with 40* this time next week!


    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      I think Bill nailed it when he said current snow cover is probably at the high point for winter.

      1. fixxxer says:

        good and i hope we start to warm up soon. im starting to hate this weather.

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Lol…this is the best winter you could get around here. Are you ever happy?

  22. fixxxer says:


    as i said, it would hit the news eventually. glad i got my shot.

  23. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    I don’t know what some of you are talking about…the 12Z GFS has our “warm up” into the 30s for a few days and then back to cold and “hopefully” snowy weather: http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=kmkg

    Acclueless weather has us mostly in the 20s and 30s with many chances for snow and ice (Lots of freezing rain…eek). Anyways, most of us know that will change. http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/muskegon-mi/49442/month/21614_pc?view=table

    Point is….yes, we are unfortunately going to warm up, but it is not looking like a huge one for the rest of the month. Also, we have been cold and have still not gotten much snow. Unfortunately, this likes like a winter where we will need to be really close to one of the jet streams to get snow. We can’t have big ridges or troughs because then we will get either warm and rain, or suppression. The “joys” of a split Jet…..

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Oh yes the ever popular mid and long range GFS temperature forecast. Unfortunately the mid and long range GFS model predictions have not been correct once this entire winter. It has been showing cold and snow in the mid to long range for about 7 weeks straight! In fact many times it has shown arctic air. How much arctic air have we seen so far this winter? What a joke!

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Good point. Although, the GFS seems to do better at identifying warmups and when they’re going to happen…it is often very consistent if there are good indications for a big warmup. We are not seeing that yet, which is good.

  24. Mr. Negative says:

    January always coughs up a “thaw”. Cold, snowy, normal MI winter on tap through April -

    1. fixxxer says:

      Lets hope we get an early spring.

      1. Jack says:

        Only 75 Days TIL ……SPRING…!!!!!!! Woo Hooo… ;-)

  25. Hey Bill, I remember you saying this winter was going to be worst than last. You want to take that statement back? Wow around 7″ has fallen this winter. A lot of schools havn’t even used a snowday YET

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Bill and I have a bet. He claimed colder than average, but wouldn’t go any further. I said warmer than normal with above average precip. I may lose on the precip, but I’ve got him on the temp. Can’t wait to see him wearing that I love big Daddy t-shirt on the air. ;)

      1. hahah that’s funny. Your going to be right on the warmer than normal temperature for this winter season. Colder than average would be a fling passed the target on Channel 13.

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        More lies. You may be able to get away with that in a classroom, but not here on the blog.

        Also…it’s going to snow down into northern Mexico! http://kamala.cod.edu/nm/latest.wwus44.KEPZ.html and like the thread says…we’ve STILL got about 2/3rds of the country with a snow cover: http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/ with a healthy average snow depth of 5.7″.

        1. Bill, I understand that its snowing around the world but you have to admit this winter will probably go down as one of the least snowiest at the rate we are going

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Things have picked up since your wrote that. It’s March 1 and G.R. is up to 58″ for the season and Muskegon to 93″ (which at this point is about 9″ above average to this point in the winter for Muskegon).

  26. You know global warming/cooling is just a bunch of nonsense. Climate change may be a better term. Haha palm tree’s in Grand Rapids. That’s funny. Maybe at the Score restaurant. Global warming/cooling is a bunch of nonsense. Earth has its cycles and that’s all there is to it. My stance is were in one of those “phases” in the earth’s cycle.

    1. Brad says:

      That’s like my stance on rheumatoid arthritis treatment…

  27. big Daddy BC says:

    “WOOD-TV just had our biggest year ever! Thanks to all the money that came in to promote Proposal 2. You’ve got to do another proposal. Personally, I’d like you to try the same one…just run Proposal 2 again…and pony up another 23 million dollars for TV spots.” -Bill Steffen

    This is how our weatherman feels about the middle class in this state. Search above for all the politically charged BS.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      LOL! This time try banner ads on Bill’s Blog! Millions of page views each year! Yup…you guys should quit beating up hot dog vendors and start another petition drive. Proposal 2 redo (hey, it rhymes!). Banner ads on Bill’s Blog…banner ads on Bill’s Blog!

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