Daylight Increasing

January 7th, 2013 at 5:46 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

   Lake Michigan sunset by “Jan” at ReportIt.  Click here to see the picture full screen.  Today (Monday) was the sunniest day in the last 1/2 month (back to 12/22) and only the 5th day in the last 39 days with more than 50% sunshine.  We have already gained 13 minutes of daylight in the evening and will continue to gain a minute per day in the evening as we head into mid-January.  BTW, the temperature sensor at the Battle Creek Airport is not working properly.  Also:  Check out the plane moving across the sun complete with sunspots!…and the Aurora Borealis in Inari, Finland.

212 Responses to “Daylight Increasing”

  1. GunLakeDeb says:

    SOOOO glad to gain that sunshine each day!!

  2. Jack says:

    Wow Beautiful …Sunset Picture, Thanks JAN !! Only God Can Paint a Picture Like That on The Canvas of HIS SKY !! Keep the Sunshine, COMING… GOD Bless Y’all … ;-) . …P.S. Go IRISH !!!!

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Oooh – sorry your team got their butts handed to them :-(

  3. Jen in Middleville says:

    So will there be a period of no rain on Saturday so I can take down our Christmas lights or should I do it Friday? Already looking forward to more sledding weather.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Saturday should be great day for doing just about anything outside other that WINTER SPORTS! Temps should be around 50 degrees and very little rain. Maybe a couple of showers! I will be golfing 18 holes on Saturday!

      1. fixxxer says:

        rj do you have a mute button? sick of hearing you say the same thing every day.

  4. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Yes, we might as well talk about the increased daylight and sunsets, because there sure is NO WINTER weather to talk about. We are still on pace for the WORST WINTER EVER!! All of the arctic air HYPE will be going up in flames by mid to late week when the models don’t even show this air effecting West Michigan!

    1. fixxxer says:

      FYI..no one cares.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Thanks for listening. Keep up the good work!

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          ROFL!!! I’m listening, Rocky – even though it makes me sad…..

  5. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    The CPC has already come to their senses and they do not show any arctic air in the 8 to 14 day forecast! They now show normal temperatures! The GFS long range model should be blown up!

    1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

      I thought you said you don’t believe in long range what happend to that?

      1. Jack says:

        Hey, Deb, How’s the weather in TULSA ???

        1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

          It’s currently 50.9 and dry

        2. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

          Our weather person also has a high of 70 here on Friday now that’s warm!

      2. fixxxer says:

        What happened is he is bipolar.

        1. Ryan (Algoma) says:

          You must be talking about JorDeb..

      3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Not this question again! I have explained this at least three times this winter so far. Oh well I might as well explain it again. Many of the models specifically the GFS model have a mid and long range cold bias, so they when are showing colder than average temperatures they are wrong about 99% of the time! When they are predicting near normal or above normal temps they have a better track record. Also the CPC has wised up and they basically ignore all of the long range GFS ensembles, so their temperature predictions are much more accurate. Now on the other hand people like ACCULESS weather, Joe B and Mark from Gratiot county they grab onto any hint in the mid or long range showing cold arctic air and then start telling people the cold air is coming and it is almost a guarantee! Their predictions have not been correct about the arctic air coming once this entire WINTER season!!

        1. SW Kent says:

          Rocky, be patient. I sense you are a little frustrated this winter.
          I am still predicting a nice shot of winter weather later this month and early Feb.
          Get the snowblower ready.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Some of the “bias” in some of the models is the fact that the models are weighed a bit more toward climatology in the long-term, so they are less apt to forecast extremes. The GFS, though is known for trying to bring in cold (and snow) in the long term in fall and at least early winter. So, I’m always wary of the GFS beyond 7 days.

        3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Frustrated about not having any COLD and SNOW? What gives you that idea? I am beyond frustrated and I am considering moving up North in a couple years to try and find some REAL WINTER weather. Bill, thanks for verifying my explanation concerning the mid and long range GFS models. In my opinion these models are 100% worthless! People should not even waste their time looking at them!

        4. fixxxer says:

          And sw kent your probably going to be wrong. You think you people would learn.

        5. SW Kent says:

          I am not saying we will have a blizzard of 1978…….although we may. All I am saying is that we will have more cold air and more snow. I will say this…..many years I have left Byron Center in mid January with zero snow on the ground, driven 2 hours north to Mancelona, and had 24 inches on the ground. Having very little snow around on January 7th is not all that uncommon in GR.

        6. Irish coffee says:

          Rocky- LOL!….<YOU..remind me of…ME circa '94/'95, when after spending 4 sucky winters in Battle Creek(wife taught in Marshall), i decided a move to Tug Hill, NY(Montague specifically)was in order.Brainwashing…er, i mean convincing, my wife that such a move away from family/friends & secure jobs was a wise decision took a little work-magic if you will…and a whole lotta FAITH/PRAYER.Well, i got my prayer/wish+dream come true in summer '95.It was approx. July 15th when the temp. hit 104 w/ dews in low 80's(and i on the floor crying and whining like a baby) – we got the call from a Lewis cty school district!! WE were IN!!LIFE was GOOD…NO GREAT!!<especially after we had MOVED all of our stuff to Watertown ,NY storage unit–sans jobs at the time.We found a snowmobile camp cabin to rent, said adios to friends/family and away we went(Aug 11th,'95)!….7 months later…my WIFE was on the floor/fetal position sucking HER thumb & crying out(in her sleep even)like a wet,hungry baby w/ croup and teething pain— "I WANNA GO HOME…NOW!!!!!!!" Turns out 'MY' Paradise…was HER "HADES" on earth..soooo, 341" of snow later and no heat to speak of(just woodstove to heat 1200sq ft)+ 2 am's w/ -36F we came back ;( family needs trumped my selfish dreams in the end…
          ps- i'm writing a book/memoir on the experience to be released circa 20th yr. anniversary (2015)

  6. Mark (East Lansing) says:

    Let’s just hope the sun shines on South Bend.

    GO IRISH!!!

    1. Jack says:

      IT’S TIME…….. CUE: Notre Dame fight song – YouTube
      ► 1:01► 1:01
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7csGhMQoQms
      Oct 10, 2007 – Uploaded by gridiron111
      ND fight song. … The Return of Notre Dame by JesseEwing 2,328 views …. Notre Dame …

  7. fixxxer says:

    Come on april! ;)

    1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

      What about January, February, and March? We need to enjoy these snowy months before the heat Fixxxer! (A return to winter is likely next week!)

      1. Stephen (North Muskegon says:

        Not snow wise. Cold for a week then another warm up. Winters already done here.

      2. fixxxer says:

        What about it? Havent you figured out i hate winter and snow?

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      NO!!!! You don’t get to have April until *I* get to have a ride on my snowmobile. Do you understand, Young Man??? Yes, I am suffering from PMS: “Pathetically Missing Snow”.

      I am still believing in the “Sister Clause” – she who said she’d “never shovel snow again” will arrive this weekend. I bought her a snow shovel because Mother Nature’s gonna have fun with HER!

      1. fixxxer says:

        If we never saw snow again id rejoice, pms or not.

  8. Kris says:

    It’s windy outside…wasn’t the advisory until 8:00 pm?

  9. Storm waning says:

    Bill…. It’s your forecast and your blog. But seriously?

    “If you’re a fan of winter…stay tuned because significantly colder temps are on the way for next work week!”

    That dog just fetch anymore. This has been told over, and over, and over, and over. And if it does get cold it says “Hi” and runs away!

    Puhleeze – not the Jedi weatherman mind trick of “wait till next week”. Cuz next week it’ll be next week until its next winter

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Significantly colder temps. ARE on the way for next week. 32 is significantly colder than 52.

      1. Scott (west olive) says:

        Lol. You looking for the pineapple express? Temps are bouncing around more than the gas prices.

      2. fixxxer says:

        Bill doesnt like winter FYI.

    2. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      It is pretty funny that “cold” this winter has generally meant a return to normal temps. The new normal I suppose.

      1. michael g (SE GR) says:

        Ask China, Russia, and most of Europe about the new normal.

        1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

          Australia? Record heat

        2. arcturus says:

          Moscow, with a few exceptions, has been above normal now since mid April last year, Beijing since mid August til late Nov, same with Berlin. More new normals, thanks.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          http://homertribune.com/2012/12/ice-breaker-opens-basin-for-troubled-barge/ ““This year, there’s more ice earlier than in normal years…the deep cold that took a hold this winter so far is unseasonably early.,” That’s this year…this was last year: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/us/icebreaker-slowly-carves-path-for-tanker-to-bring-emergency-fuel-to-alaska.html?_r=0 New Normal?

          http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_vis.php?ui_year=2012&ui_month=12&ui_set=1 Northern Hemisphere sets new record for December snow cover (records go back to 1966). Data here: http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_area.php?ui_set=1 Snow cover increasing…new normal?

          Antarctic icecap continues to grow: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          NOAA put up there year-in-review. Last year we were at 3.3 degrees above average, a full degree hotter than the previous hottest year on record. 2013 was officially the hottest year the US has on record. Seems like that should be a heading on a weather blog.

          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2012/13

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Hardly a comfort.

          http://metofficenews.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/compare_datasets.png?w=459&h=326

          Watts has a blog. So does my twelve year old nephew. Try again.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Give me your nephew’s URL and I’ll check it out.

          The Met. Office is backin’ down: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20947224

  10. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    New CPC shows the cold fading and retreating… unable to make its way east

  11. kevin. w says:

    Even the 18z gfs is not as cold as it was 24 hours ago, and I’ll betcha Tuesday’s 18z run will be back to the same ole stuff. We have about 6 weeks to even try to get winter to come after that the sun angle wins the game and its over after that. Plus I always say winters back breaks the first week of Feb. but apparently old man winter is still trying to find a good chiropractor from the winters of the 60s.

    1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      You’re right: Feb 1st is about the end of what I call true Michigan winter as well. The sun gets more powerful, prolonged cold is nonexistent, the lake effect machine is all but gone, average temps really start climbing, and the snow doesn’t usually stick around for long.

      It seems like winter hasn’t even started, and, yet after this thaw, we have 2 maybe, 3 weeks left.

      1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

        Rocky has been onto this I must say about the cold temps retreating. Haven’t fixed my snowblower yet but the looks I may not need it this season, glad I didn’t pay for plow service for my driveway either.

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          I think we will see SOME snow next week… Hopefully more than flurries…

  12. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    Whoa…a huge cool down to NORMAL temps…… How sad. In a couple of years we will be wearing parkas when it “drops” to 50 in the winter…

  13. Kris says:

    Bill, before all of the computer models and the fancy graphics, how did you predict the weather? If you were to do it right now, the way you USED to do it before all of the hype and the current technology, what would your gut tell you about the weather we are having currently and the weather we might be looking at over the next couple of months.

    No haters, please – this is an honest question for a man I’ve watched for many years and followed to WOOD from WZZM. I’m curious as to what your expertise says to you at this point, with your years of experience and attention to details along the way.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Great question! I have wondered the same thing and am somewhat saddened that Bill doesn’t do this more often.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        Me too =/

        Meterology now just seems to be re-reading what the NWS comes out with and saying, “Well, here’s what the computer models are saying…”

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      We’ve always had models. When I started we had the Barotropic and the new LFM. The Barotropic didn’t take into account mountains or snow cover. It would move closed lows, detached from the jet at about 3 times the speed they actually moved. Back then we didn’t do seasonal forecasting, heck, we didn’t forecast past 2 days! In the 1960s, we didn’t have satellites to give us the daily loops. We didn’t know much of anything until the systems got into the weather balloons out West. They stationed a ship (Ship Papa) 500 miles west of Seattle and they would radio in what the weather was out there. With a pressure reading and the fact that weather usually moved from West to East…and extrapolating the wind fields out over the ocean, you might have a shot at forecasting in Seattle. Now, most stations do a 7-day forecast and since we’re Channel 8, we do an 8-day forecast. Each “error” is compounded as we go out further from current time.

      There’s plenty of snow and cold air in the Northern Hemisphere…it’s just not here in W. Michigan. No one would have forecast that at this point, Little Rock would have more season snowfall than Muskegon.

      My gut is that the cold air comes close enough for at least brief incursions and it gets the storm track close to our area…so SW to NE moving storms and the phasing of jets becomes a greater possibility. Remember, BTW, that significant snowstorms have gone around us. Cadillac has 8″ on the ground, the woods in Kalkaska has a foot. Madison, WI to our west and Indianapolis to the south have both had above average snowfall this winter.

      1. Scott (west olive) says:

        How did we wind up with this bubble stuck on us? Any sign of a global shift happining? Seems we need a good something ti disturb the atmosphere. Was hoping that superstorm up the east coast would have done it. No such luck.

        Great question from above also.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Don’t say no one forecasted that, because I did. Don’t forget our bet, Bill.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          December global temperature anomaly: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_122012.png -0.084 degree – NASA satellite IR data

          Record December snowfall in the N. Hemisphere: http://iceagenow.info/2013/01/greatest-snow-record-december/

  14. kevin. w says:

    New AO run on a couple of the models are like way off the charts and the other go back to -2 so it goes to show the models can’t figure it all out either. Anything out past 3-5 days is junk…period.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Go off the charts in the negative direction, or positive AO?

  15. Brian(Grandville) says:

    Off topic, sorry Irish fans. I am no longer watching the game. The SEC is a powerhouse, and shows no mercy, when it comes to non conference play. Nick Saban will be remembered as a legend, who created another dynasty in the world of sports.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      SEC has ruled the BCS Championship game. Good luck to Bret Bielema going down into that line of fire.

  16. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

    Forcasting anything is tough. Couple thousand MW off…….no biggie.

    https://www.midwestiso.org/MarketsOperations/RealTimeMarketData/Pages/DayAheadWindForecast.aspx

  17. Jack says:

    Nice Picture of The Plane, Sun, SunSpots….Baby…. Cue: Bob Seger – Sunspot Baby – YouTube
    ► 4:34► 4:34
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTTjt5VkZM
    Nov 25, 2009 – Uploaded by mizzbouvier
    This is just the plain ol’ studio version of Sunspot Baby off the Night Moves album by Bob Seger …
    Enjoy … ;-) )

  18. Larry from Hastings/Barry Co says:

    It is good to see more sun light each day. Spring will be here before we know it. I am sure we will have a good snow storm or two before winter ends. BAMA…ROLL TIDE

  19. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

    In case anyone was wondering that is an Airbus A330 in the picture with the sunspots.

  20. Third attempt to post. Ok Rocky first off I feel your pain. Yes I look for reasons for cold and snow, but I look for warm and storms, sunny and hot as I love hangout in my pool even more than my 4 kids. I like most here love weather and the fascinating things it can bring. I was spoiled by being a teen in the 1970′s. I seen 2 of the greatest storms of all time. The blizzard of 78 and the 1976 Ice Storm. Not to mention a storm in the early 70′s that dropped from 15-25 inches as it moved into the flint to port Huron area and all but stalled, I can still remember watching nearly non stop coverage by John McMurry during that storm, we had snow drifts at the school to the roof about 15 feet high as 35 to 45 mph winds raged for nearly a full day, the day before saw 50s and sun and I stayed at my friend house as we were having practice that following Saturday morning. On Friday night it started as rain and only mention of snow was possibly 2-4 inches for Saturday in the wake of the storm, but by 11:00pm we had changed rain and thunder over to huge heavy snow that never stopped until late the next day but not before 21 inches fell.

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      You most have been too young for the 67 storm I lived in Bay City then and it was IMO as bad if not worst then the 78 storm. Also other storms that stuck in my memory are the March 17, 1973 storm that not only dropped 20″ of snow but also brought a flood to Bay City as NE winds pushed water up the Saginaw River from the bay.
      SlimJim

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        I don’t know, Jim – ’67 was bad…. but I remember that we still drove to my Grandparent’s cottage near Baldwin that weekend. In ’78, we were simply blocked from travel for 4 days. It took a huge road grader to clear the roads – the plows couldn’t handle the deep drifts. But perhaps my memory is skewed by living in the city in ’67 (drifting was blocked) and out in wide-open Gaines Twp in ’78?

  21. Take this past summer, while southwest lower and back into the corn belt suffered with drought and yields that in some areas were 25 to 50 bushels per acre if not plowed under, we just to your north saw timely June and July rains “not big rains” but timely and that gave us the development for what turned out to be the biggest corn and soy crops of ALL time for many in central and north central Michigan. The timely rains set the table for 5 inch monthly rains for August and September to sustain corn fill production. I’ve worked here for 32 years (B&W now MAC) and have never seen so many 225 to 270 bushel per acre fields. Soybeans going at 70+ was just crazy. We set a harvest goal of 6.5 million bushel for our Breckenridge location and were at over 8 million . Again were not that far from southwest Michigan, better lucky than good. We may not see huge snowstorms but the pattern is not like last year so the chances are good we’re going to step down to some very cold air. While we can’t buy a storm other places have picked up plenty. We have been in the worse place for snow but perhaps that will change, if not then maybe next year, hey were Lion fans we no how to take disappointment.

  22. Skot says:

    Bill ,
    I heard today about a rare phenomenon called “A Polar Vortex” happening. Can
    you comment or explain??
    Thanks

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      A Polar Vortex is a large and strong cyclone near the Pole. A true Polar Vortex is a mid-upper Troposphere phenomena. They’re big…often a thousand miles across. There are usually weaker in summer and stronger in winter. There are often two of them…one in far NE Canada and the other over northern Asia. A strong Polar Vortex can lead to a fairly strong jet. Here’s more: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/29/new-wuwt-polar-vortex-reference-page/

  23. It’s not rare, perhaps where it is located can be.

    1. Skot says:

      Well the program on the radio said it will (may) affect us, so I found this.
      http://summitcountyvoice.com/2013/01/06/weather-the-big-chill/

  24. It’s the core of the coldest air and is measured or located at I think the 500millibar level, often around the Hudson Bay are this time of the year but can slide into the northern United States “now that more rare” and back towards Siberia

  25. GFS ok it’s the GFS is hinting at another wave moving up towards the are next week so we might see some snow as the cold becomes established ??

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      …and it took it completely away at 06Z…. This run of the GFS was BORING for when we get cold…

  26. Hudson Bay Area, sleep deprecation + finger typing on iPad = type O’s

  27. Like Caddy Shack, want to be replaced by Golf Carts, just keep it up. There’s been a lot of reports of foul language and bad caddying ……

  28. Ok time to get an hour or two of sleep then look at the models and jet, sat, rad, and then try to see if we can get Rocky out on the golf course around the rain. Night all, just having fun Rocky, I hate this weather too.

  29. dano (Norton Shores) says:

    I know I keep bring up the NWS office in Gaylord, but I like the way they word the trends. Actually they can be humerous at times. Anyway, I know many of us want some winter, here is the latest from the Gaylord office on next week.

    …IT`S BACK TO REALITY…AND PROBABLY IN A HURRY…WITH
    STRONG COLD ADVECTION ARRIVING BY SUNDAY AND COLDER WEATHER STICKING
    AROUND THROUGH MONDAY (AND PROBABLY THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH AS
    WELL). SETUP AT THIS JUNCTURE DOESN`T LOOK GREAT FOR LAKE EFFECT AS
    MOISTURE IS SHALLOW…BUT I AM SURE THINGS WILL LOOK A LITTLE BETTER
    IN MODEL WORLD AS WE GET CLOSER. THERE ARE PLENTY OF HINTS THAT THE
    PATTERN FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE MONTH WILL BE ON THE MUCH COLDER
    AND ACTIVE SIDE. IN THE MEANTIME…ENJOY THE WARMTH WHILE IT LASTS!

    I realize this is for Northern Michigan and the U.P. but they seem too look at trends more than the GRR office.

  30. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Thunderstorms Thursday night and possible record high temps this weekend. It sure seems like we set record high temps every month now!

    Was anyone else uncomfortable watching the game last night when Brent Musburger went gaga for AJ McCarron’s girlfriend? That was strange!

    1. Irish coffee says:

      I never did like Brent..

      1. Jack says:

        Brent MushBooger !!!!

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Record highs are mostly at 60° or above in Detroit this time of year. I’m not seeing it getting quite that warm yet. The forecast does seem to be creeping that way as we get closer.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        I believe record high for GR is mid 50′s this weekend

        1. DF (SE Mich) says:

          You are correct. It should be close to that.

        2. DF (SE Mich) says:

          Interestingly enough the record is from 2005 which ended with 81.7″ of snow in GR, a third of that falling in January.

    3. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Oh, didn’t you know about the Musburger drinking game??? Someone told me about it back in my college days ;) He has always been that way.
      http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005660.php

  31. Dan says:

    Alabama, just in a class by themselves. They just didn’t beat Teo and the Irish, they demolished them! Still, Michigan behind the pocket passing of DROB (DROB is NOT a pocket passer) only lost to the Crimson Tide 41-14!
    Time for the Big Ten to regain their prominence in College Football! I’ll have to wait until next Fall to see how they will fare. Big Ten Basketball SURE does look strong!!! GO BLUE!

    1. Irish coffee says:

      ..yeah, Alabama probably could beat Lions at this point(assuming Schwartz was coaching, of course)Speaking of “take a knee” Schwartz, how can Lovie be given walking papers w/ 10-6 record..while Schwartz gets a pat on the back?

      1. Brian(Grandville) says:

        He got a contract extension through 2015.

      2. Jack says:

        Ford Family…Follies.. ;-)

  32. Bnoppe(Albion) says:

    The fact that the words severe storms are even mentioned in the AFD

  33. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    I know Bill has mentioned that the first decade of this century was Grand Rapids’ snowiest. It definitely was NOT here in Muskegon…and that trend has continued.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      If it definitely was NOT, what decade was according to your research? I am interested.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Did you doubt I was basing that off statistics?

    2. dano (Norton Shores) says:

      Here is a link for you on snow totals for Muskegon

      http://www.crh.noaa.gov/grr/climate/data/mkg/snowfall/

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        Nice link. It looks like the 1960′s win the prize. It is very interesting to see how little snow Muskegon received in the early 1900′s.

        1. dano (Norton Shores) says:

          I found that interesting as well. You have to wonder how good they were at keeping weather records back then.

        2. DF (SE Mich) says:

          Another thought I had was with the amount of ice on Lake Michigan.

        3. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

          So while the past decade had the most snow for several parts of Michigan, you can see in the historical numbers that winters were much more consistent in the 60′s and 70′s.

          I think that is what people remember when they say it used to be much snowier growing up.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          The 60s and 70s were the coldest decades of the last century. They were not “average” decades. The coldest winter in the last 100 years in G.R. was the winter of 1976-77. The next winter we got the Blizzard of ’78, followed by the coldest February ever and the 5th coldest March. The winter after that, we had this: http://blogs.woodtv.com/files/2011/02/lake-michigan-ice-cover-1979.gif

          It wasn’t just G.R. That’s why we had the global cooling scare: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_b5hcKABPlGI/R-h3GoF3OLI/AAAAAAAAIUQ/6dNeTfWFb8I/s400/03-06e.gif and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ECwMHWFIjdw/TyabTauvKHI/AAAAAAAAEsM/K_JN0tHae38/s400/Time-Global-Cooling.png and http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/global-cooling.jpg

  34. Norm says:

    I know this is West Michigan and the weather can change at the drop of a hat. Does it look like we will have a repeat from last year. We have only recieved 9.4in if snow to this point. What do you think?

  35. fixxxer says:

    it either needs to warm up and stay that way or get cold and stay that way. tired of this up & down pattern. as far as im concerned spring cannot get here soon enough.

    1. Skot says:

      Man….3 years on this blog and I STILL cant stand your broken record rhetoric.

      1. fixxxer says:

        then don’t reply? pretty simple right skot? ;)

      2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

        fixx (POT) quote from above:

        rj (BLACK) do you have a mute button? sick of hearing you say the same thing every day.

        Sorry fixxxy, I couldn’t resist.

        1. fixxxer says:

          because unlike “rj” i mean what i say.

        2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          A man of principles – I can respect that.

  36. Michael says:

    Looking at the latest long range model runs, all I can say is….. WINTER CANCEL!!!!!!!!!!! IT’S FINISHED!!!!! Might at well move up north or start hoping for some better luck next winter. This winter is a COMPLETE BUST!!!!!!!!

    1. fixxxer says:

      you do know it can snow through april right?

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Did you really yell at your computer screen? How did you yelled in the late 2000′s when most of the state set near all time high winter snowfalls year after year?

    3. How do you figure it’s finished, just started a couple of weeks ago lol

        1. Michael (Berrien county) says:

          Fixxer…. I don’t expect much snow in April, maybe a surprise 4 or 5 inch storm if we’re lucky. DF…. yes I know that we had snowfall records set several yrs back….. but definitely NOT THIS WINTER OR LAST WINTER!!!!! & Mark…. even the long range GFS & EURO models are already backing off of the big arctic outbreak that was previously expected next week. Believe me, I want snow as bad as anyone, but I just don’t see that happening at all any time soon, sorry to say.

    4. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

      Winter is not nearly finished for you guys ya just have to wait!

      1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

        And Michael how many times have the long ranges been right not once so you can’t base you’re result on long range

        1. fixxxer says:

          hmmm i wonder where jordan went? ;)

        2. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

          Shut up!

        3. fixxxer says:

          We all know anyways.

        4. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

          Not unless you know our emails and I can 100% guarantee that our emails are opposite! I wish Bill would just post our emails are opposite!

        5. Ryan (Algoma) says:

          How about your I.P. address?

        6. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Social security numbers?

  37. Jack says:

    Can’t Wait For….Red Wings Hockey..To Begin. Go Wings.. ;-)

  38. kevin. w says:

    I remember many bad or worse snowstorms than the whole winter in April and it was also colder in April then the rest of the winter as well growing up in the 60s and 70s. I remember two very bad snowstorms the first two weeks of April than the whole winter, not sure what year it was. I do remember going through the whole winter waiting and waiting for snow for Christmas, New Years, January, February then on my birthday the end of March the snow came and didn’t stop til May. We live in Michigan and we all know what it can get like real fast. So just because we have one worst winter ever last year and your only about 2 1/2 weeks into this one, you just can’t say winter is over. But the way its been going it just makes you wonder whats comin’ around the corner.

    1. fixxxer says:

      im praying for another warm march although i know it’s unlikely. sadly were due for a cooler summer as well. we shall see.

    2. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      Not sure about GR but in Bay City we had a good snow storm on April 3 1975 with 15″ of snow. And on March 17, 1973 Bay City had a 21″ snow storm with flooding at the same time (NE winds pushed water up the Saginaw river from Saginaw Bay) It should also be noted that in Bay City/Saginaw area the storm of 1967 was snowier then the 1978 storm (23.8″ vs 22.5)
      SlimJim

    1. fixxxer says:

      i thought you disliked winter jacko?

      1. Jack says:

        Correct Fixxer, I Hate Winter… How did you deduct..Other wise.?? ;-)

        1. fixxxer says:

          Theres so many winter nuts on here i get confused.

      2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        He just doesn’t feel the need to remind everybody every day how much he hates winter and how often it gives his family the flu.

        1. fixxxer says:

          The flu is a pita this year. And yes the weather plays a roll. This crap doesnt happen in the summer.

        2. Brad (Lawrence) says:

          Touché :P

        3. Brad (Lawrence) says:

          Reply to Matt, not Fix

  39. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Why do we only hear about Alaska on this blog when it’s cold there?! Fairbanks hit 41 degrees the other day… average high: 2. That’s 39 degrees above average!

    Always crazy extremes.

    1. Jack says:

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    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      More than a week ago you mean by other day.
      The reason for the other mentions was that Fairbanks was WAY below average for 3 out of 4 weeks a month ago. A few days above average, with the crazy fluctuations they always have, are for you to bring up =) Fairbanks is always back and forth for a few days. Weeks straight of 30-40° below average is unusual.

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        I guess it’s up to me then to point out the above average temps extremes ;) because we certainly hear all about the below average temp extremes!

        1. DF (SE Mich) says:

          It is tough talking about up there since a 30° departure from average is not unusual up there. At least definitely not comparable to that happening here. Weeks at a time is definitely unusual.

  40. Scott (west olive) says:

    Hey where’s BDBC jumping up and down about how it was the hottest year on record in 2012? I miss him already. :)

    1. fixxxer says:

      Id say it was pretty darn warm. Especially march and july.

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      In the continental united states…

      1. Scott (west olive) says:

        Yes. They release global next week?

    3. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Hanging at the union hall playing euchre?

  41. fixxxer says:

    So mid 50′s saturday and 30 sunday? Craptastic michigan weather i see.

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      The only ray of sunshine we need is you, fixxx. Keep them positive vibes rolling.

      1. Jack says:

        We are in Trouble if …..Fixxxer is Ahhhh Ray of SUNSHINE……. SPIN : Jonathan Edwards- SUNSHINE Lyrics – YouTube
        ► 2:15► 2:15
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEGBXgC3dLE
        Jul 30, 2011 – Uploaded by MixMaster3469
        Song: Sunshine (c) Jonathan Edwards backgrounds (c) well I got them from google. other info …
        Sorry Fixxxer, Couldn’t Resist…… ;-)

    2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Do you say these things to tick people off, or do you actually mean them? Most warm weather lovers will be outside on Saturday to enjoy it, even if rain is possible. You should try it! I hope your children don’t inherit such negativity from you. Try Prozac or Paxil…they help me.

      1. fixxxer says:

        Lol…love it! Sucker born every minute.

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          So it is all an act, eh?

        2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Yes it is a 100% act. Not a lick of truth to any of fixxxer’s comments!

  42. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    Did anybody read the NWS discussion tonight? Snow possible, especially southeast Michigan as a low heads to Ohio…..BAHAHAHA….does it ever end?

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      By the time this storm gets rolling it will miss us to East. Also the arctic air that people are so hyped up about will be just a glancing blow. The beat goes on and on and on and on!

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        So sick of it already. Broken record.

  43. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Winter (snow season) did not start two weeks ago people. We get a vast majority of our snow in three months Dec, Jan and Feb. Our SNOW season is virtually 50% over and the GR the snow total is a whopping 9 inches of SNOW! The year of NO WINTER keeps going and NO SNOWSTORMS ARE IN SIGHT!

    1. Jack says:

      2/4/13 is Just Around The Corner, Rocky…. Stay Tuned !!!!!! ;-)

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Yes, I have this date marked down and even though that would be a little late, I guess I will take it. I plan on golfing this weekend, however I can gear up for some snowmobiling in February!!

    2. fixxxer says:

      I just hope we have more severe weather this season. Yes im looking ahead.

      1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

        You and me both fixxx but as this entire year from 2011-current I highly doubt it, in fact if we are having this kind of winter now God help our farmers because I think we’ll be in for a worse drought than what we had this past summer. I have no confidence any more all we can do it take it as it comes or what doesn’t come. It is what it is and it is BORING!

  44. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Here is some interesting contradictory information. Most of the mid and long range models show very little SNOW for the GR area. That is good because these models are usually WRONG. The CPC 6 to 14 day forecast on the other hand is showing us near normal temps and above average precip. That would be SNOW and if we ended up with above average amounts this would be over 8 inches of SNOW! So we can hope that the mid and long range models are WRONG (that is almost a certainty) and then we can hope the CPC boys are CORRECT! There you go I just gave you guys a positive comment on our SNOW potential!!

    1. Michael (Berrien county) says:

      Thanx Randy!! Lol…. Considering the GFS & EURO are already completely backing off of the massive “arctic blast” that was predicted next week, I guess that’s all the more positive we can get right now in terms of snow.

  45. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    This winter, we don’t want “Arctic cold”…. It will push the storm track waaaaaaay to the southeast. We just want some adage cold with MOISTURE.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Average…..

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      That is exactly what the CPC is predicting in the 6 to 14 day range! We can always hope they get it right!

  46. big Daddy BC says:

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2012/13

    2012 – Hottest Year on record in US. Can’t help but wonder if this warm January is a preview for another toaster.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Hope so although it is much colder this fall/winter compared to last.

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      Check this out: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_2012.png U.S. and the Arctic warm…most of the rest of the world cool. 2012 global anomaly +0.039 degree. NASA data

    3. big Daddy BC says:

      Speaking of tampering with data. Weatherbell is Maue’s denier site.

      1. Robert (Plainwell) says:

        prove he tampers please.

    4. Scott (west olive) says:

      Hey what took you so long? Lol

      1. Scott (west olive) says:

        That was 4 bdbc.

  47. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Hey guys how is massive/monster arctic air outbreak for next week looking? You know the one that many people said was coming for sure and it would be here by around next Tuesday the 15th? Well the current temp forecast for next Tuesday and Wednesday is for a high around 32 degrees and a low of around 24 degrees. That would not be arctic air that would be slightly above normal!! When will you guys learn – too funny!!

  48. Jack says:

    Off Topic… News for off their rockers 2013

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