Wednesday Night

January 9th, 2013 at 3:54 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

0700 UTC Day 1 Outlook  Peak Wind gusts Weds:  48 mph Lansing, 44 mph East Gr. Rapids High School, 43 mph Ford Airport in G.R., Ionia and Battle Creek, 41 mph Holland Beach, 40 mph Muskegon Beach, 38 mph Holland Regional Airport, 36 mph Kalamazoo and S. Haven beach, 35 mph Muskegon Airport, Alma and Mt. Pleasant, 33 mph Fremont.  I did the weather from Rosa Park Circle this evening.  The ice was nice – they can hold it up fine on a day like today…though they’ll have trouble with the rain and 50 degrees.  It’s cheap…2 bucks for adults and a buck for kids and they have skates for you.  Lots of pretty LED lights around the rink and plenty of places to warm up and get a bite to eat.  Rain moves in from south to north eatsly tomorrow night.  SPC says there is a chance of a rumble of thunder up to at least the Indiana border (see map).  For current Michigan weather observations and wind speeds, click here. You can check out the S. Haven Lighthouse, the Spyglass Condos Weather Station by the Holland Channel, the Muskegon beach (when the wind is in knots – kts. – multiply by 1.15 to get mph), and the beach at Michigan City, Indiana. Snow cover as of 12/28 AM: 12″ Grand Marais, 14″ Marquette, 14″ Gaylord, 10″ S. Ste. Marie, 7″ Cadillac, 6″ Lake City, 4″Alpena, Houghton Lake and Baldwin, 2″ near Big Rapids, Lansing, Grandville and the Ford Airport in G.R. Here’s NAM model snowfall thru 84 hours, the GFS snowfall thru 120 hours and the HPC snowfall predictions. Here’s WOOD-TV Interactive Radar, looping radar. Check out the current conditions, regional radar, GRR radar, northern Indiana radar, Chicago radar and Milwaukee radar. Here’s the College of DuPage Radar Map, Storm total rainfall, the local warning/advisory map and the National warning/watch/advisory map. You can checkout the latest Grand Rapids NWS discussion, the Northern Indiana NWS discussion (includes the Michigan Counties that border Indiana), the discussion for Northern Lower Michigan, and Eastern Lower Michigan. Here’s the Spyglass Condos Weather Station the S. Haven GLERL station, the Muskegon GLERL station, the Grand Haven Steelheaders webcam and weather station, and the weather station at Holland State Park. Check out the WOOD lightning tracker and U.S. lightning Marantha Webcam at Lake Michigan and links to webcams. Here’s the infrared satellite loop (night) and the visible satellite loop (daytime). Here’s Lake Michigan water temperatures. Here’s storm total rainfall for W. Michigan and E. Michigan. Here’s data from the mid-lake buoy (not available in winter) and the Wind Map. And…here’s the 84-hour NAM snowfall amount forecast for W. Michigan and the 120-hour GFS snowfall amount forecast. Here’s local storm reports from Iowa, Western Wisconsin, Eastern Wisconsin, and northern Michigan. Check out these webcams and the Snowman Cam from Gaylord. Here’s a few pictures of the last snowstorm.

Model update:  GFS has 54 for a high for both Fri. and Sat., Nam has 49.  Euro. would also take us to about 54 Friday and 52 Saturday.  The Euro. has 0.76″ of rain Thurs. night/Fri. AM and a little snow for next Tue. Night/Weds.  The NAM Caribou has the least rain at 0.30″ The GFS has 0.84″, then another 0.22″ next Tuesday, which would be 2 1/2 to 3″ of snow if that’s right.  Temperatures get back much closer to average next week (31/19).

ALSO:  Rain, flooding, wind and snow in the Middle East.  4-day rainfall:  2.41″ Jerusalem, 4.96 Beruit, 1.38″ Damascus, 4.88″ Tel Aviv.  Amman, Jordan had 2.28″ just on Jan. 7th.  Snow has closed schools in the highest elevations of Israel and Lebanon.  In the last 4 days it hasn’t been warmer than the low 50s in Jerusalem.  Heavy snow and cold have gripped Greece and Turkey.

217 Responses to “Wednesday Night”

  1. Jack says:

    FIRST..He he….HAPPY HUMPDAY…Looks Like a Good Morning at least To Be on The Inside Looking Out…CUE : Grand Funk Railroad – Inside Looking Out – YouTube
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    Peace Ya All.. ;-)

    1. Irish coffee says:

      1-9-64…took my 1′st breath of fresh air, circa 5:20am! Happy humpday to YOU sir!! ;)

  2. Jack says:

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    ► 2:19► 2:19
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    Some SUPER SONGS on this album released in 1977 on Columbia Records. Uploaded 4 songs …
    Remember This When Ya Go To Buy a Car….. ;-)

    1. Skot says:

      Jack from……

  3. Skot says:

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  4. kevin. w says:

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/mount-pleasant-mi/48858/january-weather/21292_pc

    Yesterday this map was forecasting highs in the single digits with all kinds of snow for a long period. Now today there’s no cold whats so ever on the map, so I guess Rocky’s golfing next week. The beat goes on…on…on.. I noticed the Euro model pushes most of the arctic air toward eastern Canada/U.S. instead of right down here.

  5. kevin. w says:

    I gotta good laugh reading the Grand Rapids NWS long range forecast. Monday it seemed it was going to get down right cold and now today no sign of cold and they can’t figure out what to do because the models are doing the same thing they’ve been doing all winter with the long range. So I thought my long range was out to 7 days now its out 3 days and that may be to far out.

  6. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    Bill, why will the pattern NOT change??? The GFS has us getting precip on Sunday in he non snow form, while the EURO has it going south. The SAME thing all winter…. Disheartening, to say the least.

  7. DF (SE Mich) says:

    It is very icy over here this morning if you are driving around Ann Arbor. A bit of rain fell and it froze on contact with the roads.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Yeah – my son is an EMT and was VERY busy this AM with car crashes…..

  8. We’ll be lucky to get to last winters total snowfall amounts.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      We will be lucky to reach a foot!

    2. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

      If GR gets normal snowfall after this thaw, one could expect approximately 40″ total this winter.

      Way under last year.

  9. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Looks like Marquette and most of the UP is getting fed up with the snow drought too of recent years. Marquette NWS says only a 1 in 4 shot now that they get average snowfall this winter.

    http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=mqt&storyid=91371&source=0

    “Therefore, based on past history, you could say that we only have a 25% chance of our seasonal snowfall being normal this season. In addition, when looking at the last three winter seasons, we have been well below normal on snowfall (3 season average of 158.5 inches or 44.8 inches below normal).”

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      With GR still at around 9″ for the season and Muskegon not even at that one has to wonder if West Michigan can even get 30 to 40 inches this winter. We would have to get a lot of late season system snows and some good lake effect to even get the 50″ we got last year.
      SlimJim

  10. See JB has been lost for the most part the last 2 days, only video on Tuesday was to do with the middle east LOL signs he doesn’t like what the models are doing and hoping they comeback his way I think. These models are not to hot this winter we all would have to agree. I understand Al Gore is their new programer

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      While Iam not a big fan of snow and cold, I have to wonder how long this pattern can last??? The period of 1901 to 1911 had several years with little snow so one can not say this has never happened before. But one could make a case of it being a 100 year event. While some may question the snow records of that time it should be noted that several of the years (01/02,02/03,05/06,06/07and 08/09) stood out as being very low snow fall years.
      SlimJim

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        Yeah – I had noticed that entire “dry” decade, too. Sure as heck hope this is not THAT kind of “cycle”.

      2. Brad says:

        Do you know if the same was true for Marquette? I’m more intrigued by the light winters in the UP.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s maps of U.P. snowfall for the past 10 years: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/local_data.php?wfo=mqt

  11. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    39° here with some breaks in the clouds. Looks like yet another nice mild January day.
    SlimJim

  12. Sure does, but our roads now are very icy, lots of slick sidewalks and black ice.

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      I am sure there could be around here as well. Hard to say sitting here in the house.
      SlimJim

  13. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Could it be? Another warm up in 2 weeks after a brief shot back around average temps?

    The cold bias GFS is now showing a long period of +NAO. Stay tuned.

    1. Irish coffee says:

      In the words of Dave Hester:”YUUUP”!

      FAT LADY WARMING UP…<pun intended

  14. Irish coffee says:

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    1. Irish coffee says:

      ps- prefers SNOW OG!!!!!!!!!!

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      $75

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        Channeling my inner pawn shop employee =)

    3. GunLakeDeb says:

      You’d better throw a trailer in with that deal, so the buyer can actually USE it. ;-)

      1. Irish coffee says:

        lol!! good one guys(gals)!— carp[e diem!!

  15. dano (Norton Shores) says:

    Out of the Gaylord, MI NWS: (for what it’s worth)

    “OF MORE INTEREST REMAINS THE ONGOING VERY STRONG (NEAR HISTORIC VALUES BEING
    OBSERVED CURRENTLY) STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENT THAT HAS MARCHED FROM THE HIMALAYAS TOWARD THE ARCTIC…WITH MEDIUM RANGE MODELS FINALLY CATCHING ONTO THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME TRULY COLD AIR MAY BE DRAWN DOWN INTO THE AREA AS THE POLAR VORTEX DISLODGES DOWN INTO CANADA LATE NEXT WEEK OR JUST BEYOND. DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO WATCH HERE.”

    I am grabbing at straws at this point…

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Too bad that was before the overnight/morning model runs…

  16. kevin. w says:

    I wonder if were going to have a real hot period in March like last then have devastating frost April and May. It makes you wonder what will happen because were almost in the same kinda pattern here.

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Lord, I hope not. That was brutal for the farming community.

      1. Mike (Mattawan) says:

        yeah that and then the drought we had over the summer made a horrible farming year for nearly every plant imaginable.

  17. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    GRR Long-Term Discussion:

    SIGNIFICANT COLD AIR IS NOT SEEN IN THE LONG TERM PERIOD. WITH 850MB TEMPS GENERALLY AT OR ABOVE -10C. BY JANUARY STANDARDS THIS IS NOT VERY COLD. TEMPS
    LOOK TO BE AT LEAST NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL THROUGH THE PERIOD.

    All the arctic air predictions wrong again.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Seems to be a theme. The relative cold will finally come in July for fixx. =)

      1. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

        It looks like La Nina is quietly developing which is horrible news for the majority of the US currently in drought (generally very dry for south-southwest US).

        For us, it would probably mean a hot summer and another very weak winter next year.

      2. fixxxer says:

        we are due for a cooler summer but im doubting it will happen.

        1. DF (SE Mich) says:

          The last cold at lease late summer was 2009. It made some some GREAT sailing, always windy.

  18. Larry from Hastings/Barry Co says:

    Bill, good luck at your weather meeting. Kevin w. made a good comment, will we see another repeat of last spring…we could very well. Warmer winters save people money on their heating bills.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      We save on heating bills – but possibly pay more for our produce because the local stuff was “hurt” by the warm March, then freezing temps after the plants/trees budded out :-( So I sure hope we don’t have THAT again – I’m not sure how much more abuse the farmers can endure?

      1. Brad says:

        It’s going to happen again. Prepare!

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s exactly what they said in the 1930s.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          I believe that heat from the mid ’30s was in the US only. The dust bowl was caused in large part by land use issues. You deniers are really grasping at straws! LOL

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s the drought of 1934: http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/env/drought/1934in.gif As you can see the drought stretched pretty much from Coast to Coast. Much of this area either had no agriculture, or nominal grazing.

          The heat and drought of the 1930s was worldwide. That was verified by checking a couple of sets of tree rings in Siberia! LOL!

  19. arcturus says:

    Another new normal, above old normal average for January shaping up. Ho hum.

    1. TACO BOY says:

      Ok Fixxxer ..EAT A TACO!

      1. fixxxer says:

        ok indy and your 6 names of shame.

        1. TACO BOY says:

          lololololololololo yummieee 4 your tummieee…..dummieee…..

  20. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    New name change for January? June + January = Juneuary?

    And for me to reach the same snowfall as last winter, I will need to receive 59″ for the rest of the winter!

  21. KevinS (Saugatuck) says:

    When I stop seeing headlines like cold and snowy in Europe and Turkey, then ill believe we will see a winter. I’m beginning to enjoy this sunshine and warmer weather. Really no sense in having cold and snow now, bring on spring..

    1. fixxxer says:

      agreed, for this time of year today is perfect.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Whoa…a positive statement! I am glad you are enjoying it because I am bored beyond tears.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Yeah becuase looking at snow is sooo exciting.

        2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          LOL…. It is moreso peaceful…and it can be exciting to hike and ski in. It, combined with the chill can be very exhilarating.

  22. Michael (Berrien county) says:

    Between the GFS, its ensembles, the EURO, UK, & NAM models….. we have anything from a continued warm spell with a few major rain storms into next week, to seasonable temps with no precip, to much colder temps with some real snow chances. Call it in the air folks…. heads or tails???!!!! LOL…

  23. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Currently 46 and sunny in Detroit. 15 degrees above average and only getting warmer this weekend.

    The 4″ or 5″ of packed snowcover we had yesterday is melting quickly.

  24. Brad says:

    60s are coming folks. Can we hit 70? We’ll have some 80s by March. Prepare for terrible drought in the Plains and massive wildfires out west. It’s going to be an interesting year of weather.

    1. fixxxer says:

      ill take the heat.

    2. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      Looks like we will not make that 60 here is GR
      SlimJim

  25. fixxxer says:

    tad windy today bill.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      “tad”?? Up here on the lovely hill overlooking Gun Lake, it’s gale-force winds….LOL!! Keeps blowing our front door open! And it sure has chewed up the last remaining splotches of snow….

      1. fixxxer says:

        I was being sarcastic.

  26. mr. negative says:

    Today certainly seems a good candidate for a wind advisory. Nothing more than our “routine” January thaw. Winter is here, the sustained cold is in place, and our “normal”, additional 40-50 inches of snow will arrive Jan-Apr.

  27. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    While I posted this link the the previous “weekend” thread, I think it bears repeating due to some of the current discusion:

    Grand Rapids snowfall totals 1948-2010

    http://www.x98ruhf.net/grr_snowfall.htm

    As you can see, we have some pretty great year to year or multi-year flucuations in snow fall totals, and that “below normal” totals are not that uncommon. Nor are year to year differences of 40″ or more. There are some pretty significant drops in snowfall as there also some wild spikes.

    Steelie

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      I like to use the rule of 3. That is generally you will have around 3 years above average and then 3 years below average. Note this is not writen is stone just something that seems to happen.
      SlimJim

      1. haanstar says:

        What year are we on then? I am a snow lover and we seem to be getting less and less every year.

        1. Steelie says:

          Good Day,

          Clearly we are in a downslope last year and this year (so far). The last chart shows us that these upward and downward trends in snowfall don’t last very long with some pretty big differences even year to year in some cases of nearly 20″ or more. So, other than the early 70′s, if we can infer anything from the charts is twofold – the annual average is trending upward and either next year (probable) or the following the trend should reverse course. We will see…

          Steelie

      2. fixxxer says:

        I think thats just superstition slim.

    2. Blue Moon says:

      Nice graphs, Thanks.

      What I find interesting is that the long term annual average total has stayed about the same while The fall and spring months have declined. The long term Jan avg is flat and December and Feb have increased.

      Using this data as a crystal ball, the only chance for significant snow will come in February, if at all.

  28. TACO BOY says:

    What a nice day outside feels like spring!

    1. fixxxer says:

      Hardly. Not bad but not feeling spring.

  29. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    Well with the sun out it sure looks like spring but the wind makes it feel like winter. 45° here with lots of sun and lots of wind.
    SlimJim

  30. Travis (Oxford, MI) says:

    Well, I remember last week a bunch of us were talking about how different WOOD’s forecast for today was (mid 30′s) compared to Fox 17 (mid 40′s).

    And the winner: Fox wins again. Whatever models WOOD uses have been much too cold all fall/winter.

    Chicago is up to 52.

    1. Brad says:

      The old understanding is giving way to a new paradigm. Bill will catch on.

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        While I believe that the Earth is probably slowly going into a warming cycle (last I looked, we were actually coming out of a cold cycle), like it has done in the past millenia – I hardly think the declining snowfall rates for the past 2 years is a significant sign of ANYTHING other than the usual ups and downs as illustrated in the charts Steelie posted. Forty years ago, everyone was panicking because we were entering an Ice Age. 110 years ago – we had almost a decade of “no snow”. To assume the Earth is doing anything significant within our lifetimes, is like assuming whatever you do in the next 3 seconds will dramatically affect the rest of your life.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Probably???

        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/science/earth/2012-was-hottest-year-ever-in-us.html

        So the fact that this trend coincides with the release of two hundred and fifty million years worth of stored carbon, a proven greenhouse gas, must be purely coincidental. Gotcha ;)

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          You’re NY Times link shows the “adjusted” data for 2% of the globe (contiguous U.S.). The GLOBAL average temperature anomaly for 2012 was a paltry +0.039 degree: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_2012.png

          Global temperatures have been steady for the past decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          Carbon emissions in the U.S. are dropping and are at a 20-year low: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UO4j1qxyGSo

        2. GunLakeDeb says:

          So what released the carbon, millions of years ago, when Colorado was under water? The Earth goes through changes. I refuse to believe that the “hottest year ever” for the continental US is a “sign” of anything, other than a good way for scare tactics to drum up money for research….

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          So you truly think that the entire scientific world has conspired, created climate change, and tricked the public so that more research money might be provided and allow them to continue their work in a make-believe field? So does that mean that scientists are really working anymore or is their plan so diabolical that they’re pretending to work, making up data, and spending all that free cash on Star Trek conventions?

          Oh, now that’s funny, Deb. You might actually be crazier than the old weatherman.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          You should believe NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif (flat global temperatures for 10 years)

          You should believe climatologists (this from the State Climatologist of Texas): http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=5113 “Well, the question that seems to be in people’s minds is whether the drought that we had represents the new normal conditions. And I don’t think that’s quite the way it’s coming out. I still disagree with Dr. Hansen, both on his interpretation and some of his analysis. There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state. ”

          And this NOAA Meteorologist/Climatologist quoted in the New York Times talking about “Sandy”:

          “Martin Hoerling, a meteorologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration focused on the forces influencing extreme weather, sent this note:

          Great events can have little causes. In this case, the immediate cause is most likely little more that the coincidental alignment of a tropical storm with an extratropical storm. Both frequent the west Atlantic in October…nothing unusual with that. On rare occasions their timing is such as to result in an interaction which can lead to an extreme event along the eastern seaboard. As to underlying causes, neither the frequency of tropical or extratropical cyclones over the North Atlantic are projected to appreciably change due to climate change, nor have there been indications of a change in their statistical behavior over this region in recent decades (see IPCC 2012 SREX report).”

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          “Opponents of the climate change ‘theory’—that human activity is raising global temperatures—have an increasingly difficult case to make, in light of recently released scientific evidence.
          2012 was the “warmest and second most extreme year on record” for the contiguous U.S., according to data published by the National Climatic Data Center, a branch of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”

          http://www.sciencerecorder.com/news/record-2012-temperatures-in-u-s-provide-evidence-of-global-warming/

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          The contiguous United States is barely 2% of the globe. Global temperatures in 2012 were close to average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_2012.png +0.039 degree…or less than 1/25th of a degree warmer than average. And the globe is cooler than average for January 2013 so far. It’s been very cold across much of Asia.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          I think we’ll wait for a global temperature report that’s not produced by a known right-wing blogger and featured guest on Rush Limbaugh. 2012 was the hottest year on record for the US. Taken alone that might be explainable as cyclical, but taken with what’s happening world wide, it’s just another piece of evidence that we’re still heading in the wrong direction. Reefs are bleaching. Glaciers are melting. The Arctic melted back below record. Droughts have killed tens of thousands in the last five years. We’re spending billions to bail out farmers right here in the US. …And on and on. http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          When you can’t challenge the science, you’re just left with calling people names. Anyone who disagrees with you is a “right-winger”. Dr. Maue was not a “featured guest” on the Limbaugh Show…Limbaugh mentioned him once. I didn’t hear the mention, so I can’t tell you why Rush mentioned him.

          If that “tens of thousands” have died from drought in N. America in the last five years comes from the Munich Re release…it’s utter nonsense. They pulled that 30,000 figure out of a hat and it has NO basis in fact. Find me 100 people who have died from drought in the U.S. in the past 5 years.

          We’ve actually had hundreds of people die from the cold this winter already:

          Two dead in Nevada: http://www.kenvtv.com/news/story/Cold-Weather-Deaths-1-3-2013/IEjESX1KDUqMYtPiZ3_xcQ.cspx

          180,000 cattle dead from the cold in China (read the article – it talks about the unusual snow and cold affecting much of Asia: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/09/china-cold/1820089/

          More than 100 dead from the cold in India: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/more-than-100-dead-as-cold-snap-hits-india/story-fn3dxix6-1226547279652

          120 dead from the cold in Russia: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/12/28/2012122800375.html

          17 dead in Nepal: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/752403.shtml

          Dozens die in Ukraine cold snap: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20809898

          Dozens die in Poland cold snap: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/dozens-die-in-poland-cold-snap-578660.html

          Bitter cold to cause hardship in the U.K.: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/369790/Snow-chaos-to-cripple-Britain-with-15c-weather-predicted

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      TRAVIS – You’re wrong! I looked up my 8-day forecasts for the past week. I went back and looked at the tapes of the shows because I didn’t belivee you. Here’s the highs that I forecast for today (1/9). There were no “mid 30s”.

      Day 1 – 42
      Day 2 – 42
      Days 3 and 4 I didn’t work, but it was still low 40s
      Day 5 – 40
      Day 6 – 42
      Day 7 – 42

      I don’t have access to Fox’s numbers for the last week, but it would be fun to check. The actual high was 45 at the Ford Airport (the official station for G.R.) Off by 3 degrees on Day 7 isn’t too bad.

  31. Imthemom (just n holland) says:

    We had a live wooly bear catapiller in front of the barn. I wonder what that means.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      For starters, it means he’s one tough critter!!! For coldblooded things – it’s darn cold out!

      1. Steelie says:

        Good Day,

        I fully expect to see a few house flies in the next day or two, and probably some midges too…

        Steelie

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          There was a big fly in the break room here at WOOD this evening.

      2. Jules says:

        Ladybugs on our porch today!

    2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      It means it is so warm out that the critters are coming out for spring……………

  32. Tim from Zeeland says:

    This was Bills blog in 2009 on Jan 9th. What a few years can make. wow………<–Nathan Hopkins plays in the snow (picture from Posted). Thursday evening (Jan. 8), Grand Rapids reached our average season snowfall. The average snowfall for Grand Rapids is 72.2″. As of 6 PM Saturday (Jan. 9), we stand at 75.0″. Keep in mind that the mid-point of winter (as far as temperature goes) doesn’t come for 2 weeks (Jan. 22-23)! Look at the difference Lake Michigan makes (lake-effect snow). Season snowfall: Milwaukee – 40.8″, Lansing 43.6″…about the same. Muskegon – 89.6″, Grand Rapids 72.5″. More than half the snow that has fallen this winter at the lakeshore has been lake-effect snow. Green Bay has had 54.7″. Ludington has had 103.9″ so far this winter. Fort Wayne, IN has had only 7.4″ of snow this winter! Other totals: Detroit 26.2″, Flint 40.6″, South Bend 35.9″ (they’ll add to that today), Chicago 24.6″ (ditto), Oshtemo – 77.2″ Houghton Lake – 69.1″, S.S. Marie – 83.8″, Marquette – 126.1″, Delaware (Keweenaw Peninsula in the U.P.) – 149.2″. Out west: Seattle – 17.6″, Spokane – 79.3″ (on their way to the snowiest winter ever), Alta, Utah – 237″, Alyeska, Alaska – 286″, Timberline, Oregon – 294″. If you keep track of season snowfall, leave a comment and let us know what you’ve had this winter.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      THAT was one snowy winter!!! It felt like ALL I did was shovel snow – the piles of snow stacked between the houses got so high, that a neighbor with an excavating business came along with a HUGE front-end-loader, and cleared it out so we had someplace to put the next day’s snowfall!

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        That is old news and was 4 years ago! We need a winter like that at least 8 of every 10 years. Give me a break!

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      How soon people forget.

      1. mr. negative says:

        Only the “special” folks

  33. Dan says:

    Ok, somebody please talk me down from the ledge. There seems to be no real winter weather in sight. At least, within the next week or so. Do we get any more Winter weather or has it been canceled? I would like to do some snowmobile riding yet this Winter.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      The post from Tim, just above, is for you =)

    2. fixxxer says:

      Get the burmuda shorts out danny. Get ready for another early, warm spring too.

    3. GunLakeDeb says:

      I’m still holding out hope for late January/February???

  34. Mindy ( Mason MI ) says:

    ONLY 6 INCHES OF SNOW FOR THE SEASON IN MY AREA !!!!!! BORING WEATHER!!!!! We already had more SNOW this time last Year. Less Snow than last Year!!! What are the odds of that happening!!!! When i go to Florida in a few Weeks i will bring back some Palm Trees to Plant in the Yard, being we have WARM WINTERS !!!!! lol

    1. fixxxer says:

      Were headed to the florida keys ourselves in march for a week.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Why? It will be warmer here…with thunderstorms!

      2. Tonka says:

        Spring training with the tigers in march here fixxer! Bring on the warmth and sun!

  35. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

    Gfs has most of you guys in a narrow strip of 1-2″ of snow Saturday night into Sunday, it’s not much but it can at least put you guys in the snow spirit!

    http://204.2.104.196/gfs/WINTER_GFS0P5_SFC_ACCUM-SNOW_120HR.gif

    1. fixxxer says:

      Thanks jordan…i mean johnathon..err, i mean deb. FYI change your posting style up. Do you think were stupid on here? ;)

      1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

        Why don’t you shut up! Because I’m deb and not jordan!

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Where has Jordan gone? I haven’t seen any posts in a while….

        2. fixxxer says:

          Your talking to one of his personailites.

      2. Ryan (Algoma) says:

        lol..

      3. Scott (west olive) says:

        Last I saw he got a girl friend, had 2 jobs and prob had to get a third because of the girl. Lol

        1. Ryan (Algoma) says:

          Don’t forget he was getting married and going to Tulsa.

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      What a joke. We will not be seeing any accumulting snow on Sat or Sunday!

      1. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

        Just trying to put you guys in a snow mood many of you seem snow depressed lol

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          There will not a positive SNOW mood on this blog until we actually have a SNOWSTORM in progress. The models are WORTHLESS and we are up to a whopping 9 inches of snow, well on our way to a seasonal total of around 25 inches! The year of NO WINTER!

        2. Steelie says:

          Good Day,

          Not looking great. From GRR/NWS regardinf Saturday:

          A COLD FRONT IS STILL EXPECTED TO CROSS THE CWA SATURDAY AFTERNOON
          BRINGING IN THIS COOLER AIR. MOST OF THE MOISTURE AND DYNAMICS
          REMAIN FAR TO OUR NORTH…SO THE FRONT MAY COME THROUGH DRY.
          HOWEVER THE MODELS ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT WITH A WAVE OF LOW
          PRESSURE TRACKING NE OVER KY TO OH TO WRN NY LATE SATURDAY NIGHT
          INTO SUNDAY. FORECAST SOUNDINGS FAVOR RAIN CHANGING TO FREEZING
          RAIN…SNOW AND SLEET LATE SATURDAY NIGHT OR INTO EARLY SUNDAY. AS
          THE COLDER AIR BECOMES MORE ENTRENCHED OVER THE REGION THE PCPN
          SHOULD BECOME ALL SNOW BY SUNDAY AFTERNOON. AT THIS POINT ONLY
          MINOR SNOW ACCUMS ARE EXPECTED.

        3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          What a joke. There are NO SNOWSTORMS IN SIGHT and no reasons or data that would lead me to believe we will see any decent SNOWSTORMS this entire WINTER, however the JEM model still shows a BLIZZARD around 2-4-13!

        4. GunLakeDeb says:

          Thanks, Steelie – I’ll be watching that one like a hawk. My sis and family will be horribly sleep-deprived by the time they arrive, and not having to deal with icy roads would be a small blessing.

  36. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I see the year without WINTER weather continues! This is the WORST winter that I have ever seen! How about all of the bloggers and the experts that basically gauranteed the arctic would be here by the middle of next week. It looks like my prediction is better than the experts again! I do not see any artic air in GR all of next week!! We are still on pace for the WORST WINTER EVER! We are still entrenched in a SNOW DROUGHT with NO SNOWSTORMS IN SIGHT! Bring on golf season!

  37. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Is there anyone left that still believes in long range weather models? According to most of the models and the experts the “COLD and SNOW and ARCTIC AIR IS COMING” The only problem is it has been coming for the last 7 weeks! Ridiculous!

    It is interesting to note that the CPC (in the 6 to 14 day period) still has us in the near to below average temperateness and above average precip. That would all be SNOW! I am not counting on it, however I am just sayin!

    1. dano (Norton Shores) says:

      Hang in there Rocky, there is nothing we can do about it. I still belive we will get our winter, albiet, a bit late. February could be cold and snowy!!

      I will say, the models are over the place, about 7 days out.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        February hey? I would not count it in this year of NO WINTER WEATHER and NO WINTER STORM WARNINGS!

    2. dano (Norton Shores) says:

      And on the serious side of things, we need some precipitation real bad. It’s very dry, not much snow or rain. Lake levels continue to drop.

      1. fixxxer says:

        Were not in a drought anymore. Either way none of us can control the weather.

    3. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Temperateness? That is a new one.

  38. Mike (Mattawan) says:

    You know… this is the most disappointing winter in the way of storms that I’ve seen in quite some time so far. Kind of like this past summer… NOTHING except busts over and over.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Last year was the same. Many predicted months ago we may have a repeat and no one listened. The real problem is some of you buy into the hype and long ranges just to be let down. No forecasts should be anything more than 2-3 days out. You guys know me, im ready for warmer weather. Dont care what time of year it is. Its this up and down BS i cannot stand.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        The real problem is the stinking Pacific Jet!

      2. GunLakeDeb says:

        YOU can’t stand the ups and downs?? What about all those people depending on snow – the plow drivers, the ski areas, the winter-sports retailers?? I’d be suicidal if I was a snowmobile dealer….

  39. mr. negative says:

    So far so good…on our way to one of the BEST winters ever!

    1. fixxxer says:

      Last winter was better.

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      WORST WINTER EVER. We are entrenched in a NO SNOW and NO COLD pattern. Absolutely horrible. Bring on the temps in the teens, with heavy SNOW and WIND!

  40. Storm waning says:

    I’m a cyclist. Use to,cross country ski in a season many used to call winter, we all did back in the 70 and 80s. Back then some bike shops sold cross country gear in the winter season to off set slow bike sales.

    Just bought a cyclocross bike last week. Rode it in the snow flurries this past Saturday night for 25 miles. Today, Most riders have mtb bikes, cross bikes, or fat tire bikes to ride in the “winter”. Races are held year round.

    When’s the last cross country ski race? Around here?

    Cycling has adapted and you all had better get used to more miss than hit in the future when it comes to snow. Sell your sled, buy an ATV, sell your snow shoes, start jogging, sell the ice shanty , keep,the boat

    There will be fewer and fewer days you will miss them.

    Sure, it will snow, but we all know it doesn’t last long. God might put snow on your driveway but He will take it away pretty quick too.

    1. Storm waning says:

      How many times have you actually needed to use the snow blower, this year or last?

      1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

        Once – a year ago last November when we got that 10-inch dump, which was the last significant snow we’ve had.

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Pretty sad commentary, however you are 100% correct. Good winters in Southwest Lower MI may be a thing of the past! I plan on giving GR another 2 years and then I will moving up to the NW Lower MI snow belt!

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/science/earth/2012-was-hottest-year-ever-in-us.html

          “The temperature differences between years are usually measured in fractions of a degree, but last year’s 55.3 degree average demolished the previous record, set in 1998, by a full degree Fahrenheit.”

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures for 2012 were almost exactly average: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_2012.png +0.039 degree warmer than average.

          Carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. are at a 20-year low and falling: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_2012.png

          Historic cold in China: http://www.businessinsider.com/historic-cold-snap-in-china-is-causing-dizzying-inflation-in-the-price-of-vegetables-2013-1 Vegetable prices jump 55%!!

          Record breaking cold in Pakistan: http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/01/08/mercury-in-skardu-other-areas-drops-to-record-breaking-level/

          In Alaska: ““This year, there’s more ice earlier than in normal years,” http://homertribune.com/2012/12/ice-breaker-opens-basin-for-troubled-barge/

          Antarctic sea ice well above average: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          Dozens die from extreme cold in Europe: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/dozens-die-in-poland-cold-snap-578660.html

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          “Unfortunately, this won’t be the last time we break records like this. The longer we delay reducing emissions, the more climate change we’re going to lock in. The President has promised to make climate change a priority in his second term, but he needs to turn those words into action. The price tag for dealing with unchecked climate change makes the fiscal cliff look like a crack in the sidewalk.”

          Read more: http://science.time.com/2013/01/08/2012-was-the-hottest-year-in-u-s-history-and-yes-its-climate-change/#ixzz2HXKV3AEm

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Records are always being set somewhere. The main points are…

          1) Carbon emissions in the U.S. are dropping: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UO4j1qxyGSo

          2) Global temperatures are holding steady:
          a) GISS data: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif
          b) HadCrut data: http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/hadcrut3vgl/last:179/plot/hadcrut3vgl/last:179/trend

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’. Even Prof Jones (UK Climate Center) admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2HXUklATK

          We’ve already wasted billions on this issue: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle and http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house and http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/

        6. GunLakeDeb says:

          Everyone seems to forget that 4 years ago – we had MASSIVE snow. I remember plowing with my ATV, and the driveway was filling in as fast as I could clear it. Repeatedly.

          We went for 4 or 5 years in the early ’70′s with low snow amounts – but that was before the cash cow of climate change came along. By the end of the ’70′s, everyone was bewailing the Coming Ice Age. In the early 80′s, I remember shoveling off the roof, then allowing my daughter to jump off the roof into the 7′ high snow pile. Granted, that was 30 years ago – but in the the whole scheme of “Earth Time” – 30 years is just a pimple on a gnat’s backside. Next year we could be up to our eyeballs in snow again.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          You’re right, Deb. Having a couple years of extreme warmth does jade your view, true. But your conspiracy theory about all scientists cooperating to fool the world in the hopes of attracting grant money is delusional. I get the whole not trusting the ‘man’ and viewing the world through a skeptical eye, but generally if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, and feels like a turd…it’s a turd. Conspiracy theories are fun, but generally pretty foolish. This one especially.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          The big picture:

          1) CO2 emissions are dropping in the U.S. and are at a 20-year low: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1

          2) Global temperatures have been steady for the past decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif (note the link is from NASA)

          3) The drought is natural. We’ve had them before (in the mid 1930s and 1950s: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/time-series/index.php?parameter=pmdi&month=11&year=2012&filter=12&state=110&div=0 The Texas State Climatologist said: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.”

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          http://www.nrdc.org/health/climate/drought.asp

          Droughts do occur naturally, but the likelihood of them increases with temperature. Climate change will and is producing more droughts. It’s science.

          http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Do you not read what I post??? Let me try again:

          The Texas State Climatologist said: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.”

          That’s true over much of the country. Our rainfall has actually increased in G.R. and I think you’ll find that the case over much of the Midwest with the change in land use. Multi-year droughts have occurred in the past (much of the 1930s) and will occur again.

          Look at this graph from NCDC: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/time-series/index.php?parameter=pmdi&month=11&year=2012&filter=12&state=110&div=0 The droughts of the 30s and 50s were worse. You can see the graph is a poor match to the increase in CO2 (black line in the graph): http://blog.chron.com/climateabyss/files/2012/10/The_global_temperature_chart.jpg

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Now that is actually good advise. Maybe I should try and sell the sleds and skis and just focus on bike riding, golfing and yard work all year round. Who needs winter weather anyway?

    3. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Snow flurries Saturday night? Oh, that’s right….Muskegon had RAIN. You could have gone jet skiing.

      1. Scott (west olive) says:

        They used to ice race cars on macatawa lake.

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Wow! That must have been in the 60s and 70s…during real winters.

        2. GunLakeDeb says:

          They’ve been racing ice bikes (motorcycles with studded tires) on Gun these last few weeks!

  41. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    We haven’t heard much from Joe B and some of the other so called experts about the massive/monster acrtic air outbreak that will be hitting next week. That is because they are WRONG again. He has been wrong on virtually every long range forecast that he has made this entire WINTER. And to think people actually pay to get his forecasts. Wow! ACCULESS weather is still hyping the arctic air, however they won’t give up until they are forced to admit they were 100% WRONG AGAIN! It is amazing to me that these people actually get paid to spew this garbage!

    1. fixxxer says:

      Ask mike where joe.b is.;)

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        He only posts his comments when Joe B is preaching about all of the “cold and snow that is coming”! Too funny!

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      They are worse than all of the politicians!!!

      1. Tim from Zeeland says:

        Hold the bus Rocky. Got news for you. “They are worse than all of the politicians!!!” Now your wrong. You need to watch and read the news. There is more to life than bitching about lack of winter you know.

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          The weather is far more important than the lying, cheating, do nothing politicians!

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Oh, they’re doing plenty here in Michigan…raising taxes on the working poor – AKA, the middle class, robbing schools, breaking labor, and legalizing the killing of wolves…

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Obama just raised taxes on the middle class (payroll tax and a half dozen new taxes related to the Obamacare: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/19/three-obamacare-tax-changes-start-in-12-days/)

          You don’t stand up for the middle class at all! You want “skyrocketing” energy costs and $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline taxes.

          Not many wolves in my neighborhood…though Clint Tarver, the poor hot dog vendor who had all his catering equipment trashed by some union “wolves” might have something to say about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts08KEvMwE8

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          An end to a tax reprieve and raising taxes are two different things. You’ll recall that the tax reprieve was part of the stimulus package you’ve complained about countless times on here. So suddenly, now you like it?? T-R-A-N-S-P-A-R-E-N-T

          BTW, I’d like it if gas were free. I just filled up and it’s painful every time. How about we give the billions in oil subsidies to the people of this country and let them use it to pay for those skyrocketing fuel costs Exxon’s sticking us with? Gas welfare – better than corporate welfare!!

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          The union goons should be arrested for destroying Clint Tarver’s catering business and calling him every racial slur in the book.

          You still can’t name me a specific “oil subsidy” that Exxon gets that you would cut that would not be passed down to your beloved “middle class” at the pump. Just name one…ONE…that’s all I ask…go to google if you have to…just name one…that you’d cut…ONE…one specific “subsidy” for Exxon that you’d cut that would not be passed along at the pump.

          The 800 BILLION stimulus didn’t work…unemployment’s still close to 8%…800 BILLION DOLLARS!!! Where are the new schools? the new roads?? What happened to the 800 BILLION DOLLARS!

          You can be “gas free” anytime you like. If you got on a bicycle once in a while you might not be such a BIG bigDaddy. Say NO to $9 a gallon European gasoline!

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          All right, I give up. I’m sure you have a point as to why you need to know what a subsidy is. It’s anything that lowers the operating cost. The subsidies that the fossil fuel block gets ranges from tax breaks to cheap loans to the defense of pipelines and shipping lanes by our military, to price fixing, to giveaways. Come on, man. These aren’t secret things. If all the subsidies, estimates range from $10-52 billion, were eliminated, Exxon would still have quarters in the billions and we’d get great big tax breaks! Frankly, I’d rather have the freedom to choose which oil tycoon my money goes to.

          We pay too much in taxes for corporate welfare.

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          I must say, I’m proud of our union brothers and sisters that came out this morning so that republicans could travel the ‘walk of shame’ into work. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

          http://bcove.me/ov0czio9

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          At least so far I haven’t heard any reports that your “union brothers and sister’s did any vandalism or shouted racial slurs.

          Don’t give me a generic description of a subsidy. (Wind energy gets lots of subsidies). You said you want to end subsidies for oil companies and you don’t have a clue what subsidies they get. Just name me ONE…just ONE…UNO…EIN…a single SPECIFIC subsidy that Exxon gets that you would eliminate that would not be passed along to the lower and middle class at the pump…just one!!

        9. Brad says:

          Bill, Clint Tarver is doing fine. He was set up on the south lawn of the Capitol a couple days after the protests and had a long presumably bipartisan line at lunch.

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          Are you pretending to be dumb?

          Here’s what I posted, “The subsidies that the fossil fuel block gets ranges from tax breaks to cheap loans to the defense of pipelines and shipping lanes by our military, to price fixing, to giveaways.”

          Have Rick Albin explain it to you, if it’s too complicated.

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          You’re just giving generalities. You really don’t know any specifics, do you? What “giveaway”??? What the heck is a “cheap loan to the defense of pipelines”???

          Most “tax breaks” go to small companies that drill a few wells, not to foreign oil companies like Shell and BP.

          I want a SPECIFIC subsidy to EXXON that you would cut that would not be passed on to the lower and middle class at the pump.

        12. Dan says:

          Its the way he plays the game, Bill! Oh look here comes Brad to stir it up even more. Just to be clear, I’m only sharing my opinion. Bill does an excellent job of exposing the multitude of inconsistencies in your points, Big Daddy.
          If you could, for once, post some real substance then, just maybe we could get somewhere. Is that possible with you, Big Daddy? Black/White, Red/Blue, Divided right down the middle!!!
          Please do not tell me I just watched Fox news that is an insult because you continually make claims that people cannot think for themselves!

        13. Irish coffee says:

          “POWER TO THE PEOPLE”? Not if Obama has his way….his plans call for elitist double standards–you know, where his daughters are treated to 5***** chef prepared school lunches(fresh crablegs/prawns,caviar,imported bottled water from Switzerland,organic fresh milk,+ baked Alaskan for dessert)…w/ 12 armed guards installed inside/outside school doors in Quaker peace zone; meanwhile he is fine w/ DC public area schools being treated to gun-free, (vulnerable & defenseless) w/ school lunches containing spoiled milk, stale bread, canned fruits/veggies , all served up by senile senior citizens……..vouchers? NO WAY…why on God’s earth would he want under-privileged to have SAME opportunity as his daughters?

          ps- as far as wolf-killing legislation, i’m 100% against/opposed to it!

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          How much more specific than TAX BREAK, can a person get? A tax deduction is a subsidy. Big oil gets more than $4 billion a year in tax breaks. They get foreign tax credits. They get percent depletion allowances which allow them to deduct the expense of a wells. They’re able to write off wages, fuel, and heavy machinery costs. Do you need a copy of Chevron’s tax forms? Shall I list what each company’s deductions were for last year. In 2011, ExxonMobile paid 13% in taxes. They’re right down at the bottom with Romney.
          What’s mysterious about the Navy being used as a private security force to protect a shipping lane or pipeline? How much do you think tax payers give up for that?

          The big five oil companies are expected to clear $100 billion in profits in 2012. I wonder what would happen to that national debt you continually cry about if Big Oil Companies were asked to pay their fair share.

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          You still can’t name a single specific subsidy that Exxon gets that you would end that would not be passed along to the poor and middle class at the pump. Like a trained robot, you spew out the talking points, but that’s all you’ve got…talking points.

          When I was in college, I had an exchanged with a girl. We were talking about the economy of Fidel’s Cuba (which he rapidly took from the best in the Caribbean to the worst – and needed boatloads (literally boatloads) of Russian cash to sustain). I was getting the best of her when she blurted out “You’re racist, sexist and homophobic!”. Our discussion had nothing to do with race, sex, or sexual preference…but the quiver was empty except for that last little all-purpose insult. That’s all she had left.

          Again…what specific subsidy that Exxon gets would you end that would not be passed along at the pump to the poor and middle class? It’s a simple question. I just need an answer. Hemingway once said “Never mistake motion for action”. We need to help the poor and middle class…not just appease your anger with policy that will ultimately cost them at the pump.

        16. Dan says:

          Get ready for additional talking points from the Big Daddy
          No specifics, no substance just more of the same!
          This is the most frustrating part of discussing the issues with him. You can never really get ANY specifics from him.
          Its kind of humorous because he accuses others or should I say all that don’t agree with him, of not being able to think for themselves. Interesting that as many times as you have called him on this Bill, he continually points the finger at others.
          WOW, it does make you wonder, doesn’t it? Does he ever keep track of that kind of information?

        17. big Daddy BC says:

          You both are truly idiotic. Truly. Bill, I have absolutely no idea what some girl calling you a racist homophobic teabagger has to do with your inability to understand what a foreign tax credit or depletion allowance is, but have a feeling she was making a judgement call about your ideological viewpoint. And Dan, DuH! You don’t get smarter do you? At least Bill’s just playing dumb.

          Wow

        18. Bill Steffen says:

          You wrote that you wanted to “end subsidies for Exxon”. I ask you for the 100th time…name a SPECIFIC subsidy given SPECIFICALLY to Exxon that you would end that would not be passed along at the pump to the lower and middle class. Just one…one single subsidy. Not a general “tax breaks”. Just name ONE…only ONE SPECIFIC subsidy given to Exxon that you would end that would not be passed along at the pump to the lower and middle class.

        19. big Daddy BC says:

          Oh, I see your confusion. You don’t understand that a tax break IS a subsidy. Much of the money given to these tycoons comes in the form of tax breaks. I’ve listed several special ones. Learning yet?

        20. Bill Steffen says:

          What SPECIFIC “tax break” are you referring to. If you can’t give me something specific, you confirm my suspicion that you have no idea what you are talking about. I want a SPECIFIC tax break for Exxon that would not be passed along at the pump to the lower and middle class (otherwise, you gain nothing more than hurting the poor and middle class). Just one SPECIFIC subsidy (which is what you said). ONE SPECIFIC SUBSIDY THAT WOULD NOT BE PASSED ALONG AT THE PUMP TO THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS…JUST ONE!

        21. Dan says:

          You call me more names, Big Daddy! Wow, I’m shocked. Why is it that you cannot answer the questions? Instead, you continually keep bringing up the same old, tired talking points! Is this because you have no specifics? Are you ashamed? If you are judging me then, I would consider this a compliment! Thanks, Big Daddy! It appears that when you are pinned down for specifics, you must resort to name calling.
          I would challenge you to go back and read several of my last few posts. Simply, to gain a clearer understanding. You seem a bit misguided. Please, Big Daddy take note, here! This is not a personal attack.

  42. fixxxer says:

    No wonder cort & swatz gave up on this blog. ;)

    1. Jack says:

      Fixxxer …..When ya Head To The KEYS, Tell My OLE Buddy…Jimmy B……. I said HIGH ! I ain’t seen Him ,Since This HAPPENED.. CUE: jimmy Buffett, The Great Filling Station Holdup – YouTube
      ► 3:55► 3:55
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRz-XIVY-aE
      Sep 9, 2007 – Uploaded by saxophone64
      Jimmy Buffett sings the great filling station holdup with pictures.
      LOL…Have Fun In The SUNNNNNNN. ;-)

    2. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

      It’s a good blog until BDBC gets on and goes off on one of his fascist rants.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Look up fascism, Nedmond. I don’t think it means what you think it means. Sounds smart though.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Fascism is the enemy of the free-market, freedom and liberty. Here’s a very good discourse on fascism and socialism: http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full/ In Hitler’s famous book, “Mein Kampf”, the 2nd of his two volumes is entitled “The National Socialist Movement”. NAZI stood for the National Socialist Party. It’s politicians keeping private ownership, but the government through a tsunami of regulations and taxes dictating what is produced, how it’s produced and essentially, who gets rich (Al Gore…heck look at how many Congressmen/women are multi-millionaires). The seven richest counties in American now are the 7 counties that surround Washington D.C.

          More and more Americans are becoming dependent on government and a smaller percentage are actually producing. The deficits are enormous and unsustainable. The administration shows no concern and hopes to be out of office when the system is no longer able to function.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Emilio Gentile is an Italian historian specializing in the ideology and culture of fascism and is considered one of Italy’s foremost cultural historians of fascist ideology, which, btw is where fascism was born.

          He describes fascism as “a corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the ‘productive sectors’ under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions.”

          I don’t know about you, but that sure sounds like the Snyder administration. Emergency Manager anyone???

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          He’s right. Trade unions often don’t fare well under socialism. Ask Lech Walesa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_%28Polish_trade_union%29 Try and strike in the worker’s paradise of Cuba or N. Korea or China or Russia, where the governments claim that the workers have it so well that “there is no need to strike”.

          The Muskegon Heights School Board ASKED Snyder for an Emergency Manager: http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2011/12/muskegon_heights_schools_asks.html The E.M. is there to serve students and taxpayers, not to be a shill for a special interest group.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Wrong. The special interest group is the pile of suits that are buying up public property at discount prices now that Lansing’s made it legal.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          The Muskegon Heights School System was broke…millions of dollars in debt, despite getting over 15K per student and despite lower than average maintenance costs…and all you care about is confiscating more money from the middle class…you support green energy failures like LG Chem (four years and 151 million dollars later and not a single battery! – nice accountability) and Solyndra. Muskegon Heights ASKED for an Emergency Manager and now they are climbing out of their fiscal hole and the children are getting educated, no thanks to special interest shills like you.

  43. Bnoppe(Albion) says:

    Lets all join together and sing kumbya …O and go Blue michigan basketball matched its best start ever

    1. Jack says:

      Blue B-Ball…. Great Game…..!!! Michigan ..B- Ball….RULES….Go Blue…

  44. Todd In Nunica says:

    Hey will you guys stop complaining…it was a VERY nice mid march day today, smelled like March out there, looked like March, a bit on the breezy side but not bad for mid March………

    oh yea….right…..its early Jan……….

    1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

      I agree about it looking and feeling like a March day, actually that’s exactly what I told my parents today.

    2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      I thought yesterday was even more like March. The sky had that haze in it that’s common in the Spring. If we fail to get the cold next week, I would not be shocked to see a crocus pretty early…

  45. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    Well today’s sun, wind, and warm weather took a lot of our snow cover. We still have 1″ in my yard, and 2″ in the woods here. 2 miles up the road where it is open fields, there is virtually no snow left. So we made it 15 straight days with at least 1″ of snow cover here, and 4″ being our highest snow cover so far this winter…no too impressive.

    Does anyone have the liquid precip total since December 1st of how much has fallen as rain, and how much has fallen as snow? With this Thursday’s rain I’m sure we will be over 2″ of rain, and since I’ve received 7.5″ of snow so far I’d say roughly 0.75″ of liquid precip is a safe bet?

    Plus I see the GFS is giving us another rain storm around the 1/22-1/23 time frame, but the low did move a little farther SE since yesterday’s runs.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Since Dec. 1, G.R. has had 3.00″ of precipitation (rain and melted snow). That’s 0.19″ below average. That includes 9.1″ of snow and that’s 19.3″ below average.

      1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

        Wow, I knew we had receive a lot of rain, but I didn’t think it was that much!

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        The drought continues.

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        Just like the 1930s and the 1950s…CO2 emissions in the U.S. are at a 20-year low and dropping: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UO91TaxyGSo

        Texas State Climatologist says the drought is NOT caused by global warming: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.” Article here: http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=5113

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          The drought continues. And guess what? NASA says it IS global warming. Only you would argue that global warming isn’t real during a mid-January rainstorm. LOL

          http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/08/04/climate-change-real-scientist.html

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          You actually linked to an article about James Hansen?? He’s been arrested not once, but TWICE: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=jim-hansen-risks-jail-research-clear The State Climatologist of Texas said: “I still disagree with Dr. Hansen, both on his interpretation and some of his analysis.”

          Here’s global temperatures from NASA – steady for the past decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Yes I did. He’s a NASA scientist. Plenty of GOOD people have been arrested in this world.
          Hansen’s fighting the good fight.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Have you been arrested? Got any outstanding warrants, bigD? Running any illegal servers? I think people on the blog deserve to know.

          Hansen has been called out by many reputable scientists. I have already quoted the State Climatologist of Texas.

          His own NASA data shows global temperatures have held steady for 10 years: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

  46. Deb (Oklahoma City) says:

    Why the HECK are you guys talking politics isn’t this a weather blog?!?!?!?

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Why the HECK are you commenting in this blog? I thought it was a West Michigan blog. :P

      1. fixxxer says:

        I miss jordan. ;)

        1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Lol…. Well, I must admit that Deb is much more pleasant now that she moved. The warm air must do a body good.

        2. Scott (west olive) says:

          Lol.

    2. Jack says:

      Heck I thought it Was a MUSIC BLOG….CUE: John Lennon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2opHHNFd0Mg. ;-)

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Ohhhhhh, it all makes sense now…

        1. Jack says:

          Hmmmmm … Time for some LATE Great….Lowell George…. Spin : Little Feat Rocket In My Pocket – YouTube
          ► 4:01► 4:01
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcPKa-iwxq0
          Jun 16, 2007 – Uploaded by nutbrook
          Little Feat At Rainbow Theatre London 1977. With The Tower Of Power horn section.
          Peace Bills Blog…. ;-)

  47. TomKap (Michigan St. & Fuller) Grand Rapids says:

    I just LOVE the way that extended forecast for the arctic ‘blast’ after this warm-up just isn’t going to happen now.
    Not that they’re often correct, but Accuweather has the week of the 20th (traditionally our coldest week I believe) back in the 40′s for a good chunk of it.
    Hurry April!

    1. Irish coffee says:

      report back next Fri, 1-18….you’ll see/feel cold guaranteed– 2 words: stratospheric warming= model madness…they(models) will be playing catch-up next few days before actually legitimizing incoming vortex circa Hudson Bay, fwiw…stay tooned!!

      1. fixxxer says:

        yeah because your predictions have been soo spot on! ;)

  48. Eveline Baray says:

    I registered but the my MSIP blocked the file, which may have risks of virus. Can someone please refer me to a good and honest mortgage modification company in New England? Thank you very much.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      If I was looking for a “good honest mortgage modification company in New England”, the first place I’d check is a weather blog in Grand Rapids, Michigan. (?)

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