Friday PM

January 18th, 2013 at 3:46 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

Local    Saturday:  Breezy and relatively mild today.  I’m looking thru the new data.  The European is colder for late week next week and has all snow here next Thurs. night/Friday.   If you plan on being out late Saturday evening/night, stay up with the latest forecasts. I want to highlight the possibility of strong winds Saturday night especially. We could easily see gusts to 40 mph inland and 50 mph at Lake Michigan as the Arctic front comes thru, along with some light snow.  Again the models don’t print out much.  The NAM has steady winds of 26 mph for G.R. for a few hours and a steady 30 mph for Muskegon.  The GFS has winds up to a steady 35 mph at Lake Michigan.   Roads could get slick and the combination of wind, snow, falling temperatures freezing up the roads quickly and poor visibility could make for some challenging travel.  This would occur around 11 PM – 3 AM, so it may not be that bad early Saturday evening.    The GFS has steady light snow from Sunday pretty much thru Tues. night.    ALSO:  Friday AM snowcover: trace G.R., 1″ Lansing, Big Rapids 2″ Baldwin, Scottville, 4″ Cadillac, Gaylord, 9″ Newberry,, Marquette, 15″ Grand Marais, 16″ Atlantic Mine. There’s a Gale Watch for Lake Michigan.    From the NWS FRI.  morning discussion:  “SNOW SHOWER INTENSITIES ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE ON SUNDAY NIGHT AS INVERSION HEIGHTS RISE TO 10K FEET OR MORE. NAM BUFKIT PROFILE AT SOUTH HAVEN LOOKS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE FOR HEAVY SNOW…”

For current Michigan weather observations and wind speeds, click here. You can check out the S. Haven Lighthouse, the Spyglass Condos Weather Station by the Holland Channel, the Muskegon beach (when the wind is in knots – kts. – multiply by 1.15 to get mph), and the beach at Michigan City, Indiana. Snow cover as of 1/11 AM: 1″ Big Rapids, 2″ Baldwin and Houghton Lake, 4″ Cadillac and Lake City, 6″ Gaylord, 7″ Newberry, 8″ S. Ste. Marie and Grand Marais, 12″ Marquette. Here’s NAM model snowfall thru 84 hours, the GFS snowfall thru 120 hours and the HPC snowfall predictions. Here’s WOOD-TV Interactive Radar, looping radar. Check out the current conditions, regional radar, GRR radar, northern Indiana radar, Chicago radar and Milwaukee radar. Here’s the College of DuPage Radar Map, Storm total rainfall, the local warning/advisory map and the National warning/watch/advisory map. You can checkout the latest Grand Rapids NWS discussion, the Northern Indiana NWS discussion (includes the Michigan Counties that border Indiana), the discussion for Northern Lower Michigan, and Eastern Lower Michigan. Here’s the Spyglass Condos Weather Station the S. Haven GLERL station, the Muskegon GLERL station, the Grand Haven Steelheaders webcam and weather station, and the weather station at Holland State Park. Check out the WOOD lightning tracker and U.S. lightning Marantha Webcam at Lake Michigan and links to webcams. Here’s the infrared satellite loop (night) and the visible satellite loop (daytime). Here’s Lake Michigan water temperatures. Here’s storm total rainfall for W. Michigan and E. Michigan. Here’s data from the mid-lake buoy (not available in winter) and the Wind Map. And…here’s the 84-hour NAM snowfall amount forecast for W. Michigan and the 120-hour GFS snowfall amount forecast. Here’s local storm reports from Iowa, Western Wisconsin, Eastern Wisconsin, and northern Michigan. Check out these webcams and the Snowman Cam from Gaylord. Here’s a few pictures of the last snowstorm. Here’s current U.S. temperatures.

A Flood Watch has been issued for the Muskegon River upstream of the Rogers Dam. An ice jam has caused river levels to rise and there is some water in yards on Riverside Drive (east side of the pond upstream from the dam).

Also, Sydney, Australia had their hottest day ever yesterday.

248 Responses to “Friday PM”

  1. Jack says:

    FIRST on ahhhhhhhh. FRIDAY!! CUE : Wooooooo, Hoooooooo !!!

  2. INDY says:

    going to be a snowy Fri— day I hope all u snow haters step outside and feel it!!! Just a start wait till Sunday when the Fizzer dump comes in lumps !!! Drink lots of sprites and call your weather right!!! From Out iN a BURRRRRR YARDofBRICKS 15* get used to it ……INDYY……

  3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    1. We are currently transitioning into a SNOWSTORM PATTERN!
    2. Starting on Sunday we will be seeing, COLD, SNOW, WIND and BLIZZARD conditions.
    4. Over the next 4 or 5 weeks we will be seeing plenty of COLD air with many chances for SNOWSTORMS!
    5. Get ready for winter and ROCK n ROLL is here to stay!!

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Woohoo!! Get the sleds ready!!!!

    2. Storm waning says:


      Well according to Bill…..

      The latest European would only give 1-3″ of snow to G.R. from Sunday to Weds

      So the majority of West Michigan is going to get ” dumped” on

      And then, later next week temps are forecasted to be above freezing

    3. Harry (Battle Creek) says:

      Temperatures will be pushing 40 by next Friday with a chance of rain from an approaching system from the SW…

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Not happening Harry. You will be 100% WRONG!!

        1. Irish coffee says:

          Agree Rocky.. models are playing catch-up w/ snowcover/feedback from arctic outbreak= will be COOLER than previously modeled,imo

  4. RJ says:

    as usual, your way off. Will be in the mid to upper 30′s by next weekend. As far as I know, thats ABOVE average

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      It will be snowing with temps around 30 degrees next weekend and then more arctic and SNOW after that!

  5. Brian(Grandville) says:

    A total of 1-3 for G.R. during the coldest 4 day period this winter. What a joke. At this rate we will be lucky to get 30″ for the season.

    1. Mike (Caledonia) says:

      If things don’t start to pick up I see a record being crushed. If you think about in a few weeks temps typically start to trend up. But this is MI and April snowstorms are a real possibility.

    2. Harry (Battle Creek) says:

      I was on AmericanWX forums talking about that a couple days ago, I’m sticking firm with 26″ for the season.

      1. Irish coffee says:

        For Battle Creek?….Kazoo will have 60″+ by season’s end or i’ll send you 10 boxes of Kellogg’s Frosted Flakes! ;) PEACE

      2. Irish coffee says:

        PS- HARRY: speaking of American, some joker there (from eastside of Mi), “Jonger” i think? was on there today claiming Houghton to Grand Marais might see 150″ totals(LES/synoptic) in next 3 WEEKS!!!? I would be willing to bet a Lifetime supply of romantic novels and shellfish they don’t go over even 100″!

  6. Mike (Caledonia) says:

    Not real excited about this next week. Don’t get me wrong I would love to get a good dumping, so I can go to work. But due to the wording the NWS is using it is hard to be optomistic when you live 5 miles east of 131. The 120 GFS is starting to look better and there is alot of hype. But we all know storms that get alot of hype end up letting you down.

  7. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

    So Indy remember our deal, I really do Love the Green Apple Smirnoff! ;-) It can’t be just your area, can’t be just my area, we BOTH have to be covered with more than 1-3in, that isn’t a blizzard, so we shall see!

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      You know there could be a Blizzard with only 1-3 inches of snow and 50MPH winds (but that is unlikely)

  8. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    While there should be several chances of lake effect snows the for the next week, it should be noted there still are no snow storms on the horizon for Michigan! While I still feel we still have a chance getting a good snow storm or two one has to wonder if we can even match last winters snow fall total at this point I would say we will not! But that said there is one month to watch and that of course is March!

  9. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    BTW while it will be cold (heck it was cold last night) the NWS out of Detroit is not even all that impressed with the cold that is comming…..



  10. Tonka says:

    Am I the only one who finds the ads on the iPad app for tv8 to be annoying? Bill, these ads block your blog comment count cuz the ad on the bottom is too big. The new app really needs some work. I tried finding a contact thru the full site about this but no luck. The app now makes you click on each blog post of yours before you can see the comment count and then when I do click it the comment count is blocked by that big ad. Anyhow, that’s my two cents.

    1. Gaines Twp says:

      I found if I turn my iPad and turn it back so the screen shifts, I can then see the comments count.

    2. Slimjim says:

      In stead of using the WOOD app just put the blog page.on your home screen then there are no adds and you can see the count. From my IPad

        1. Cort S. says:

          Instead of the app, you can type “blogs dot woodtv dot com” into your web browser to see the blog in the regular non-tablet format.

  11. North side of holland says:

    Tonka, I’m having the same issues

    1. Tonka says:

      Why would Channel 8 create an app for the most popular platform I.e. the iPad/iPhone and not test it themselves? Surely someone there has to have an iPad and think “wow, this app stinks”. Then instead of me having to post this on a weather blog, give us, the users of the app, the ability to give someone feedback on the app. For instance, now if I want to share a link or story via email, I have to use the email tool within the app. This tool doesn’t have access to my contacts! Who memorizes email addresses? Not me! So, I have to email the link to myself, get it into my own email where my contacts are, and then send it out. What a pain! Come on wood tv help us out! Create an app that is user friendly!

      1. Mike (Caledonia) says:

        Could not agree more. Wood tv had a wonderful android app so they closed it out and made us upgrade to a new one. The new app sucks and the reviews are just as bad no one likes it. I do not know who makes these decisions but they really blew it.

        1. Tonka says:

          I shouldnt be suprised, but I am. How could someone put a product out there like this app, have all the feed back in the world that their product sucks, and not listen? I would even pay if it was ad free and worked!

  12. arcturus says:

    Let the hedgng begin!


    1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

      I’ve received 8″ of lake effect in 1 day when it never got above 12°, and it was windier than what they are forecasting for next week. Although it may limit the huge snowfall numbers, it has less area inbetween the flakes on the ground, and settles less.

  13. Mindy ( Mason MI ) says:

    WOOOOOOOOO…….all this SNOW HYPE!!! I will only need my BROOM not a SHOVEL!!!! Lost faith in this Winters Forecasting !!!

    1. Mike (Caledonia) says:

      Very true. Thinking the same thing myself.

  14. Nick (Grand Haven / West Olive) says:

    all white here now!

  15. Storm waning says:


    Bill S has forecasted ONE to THREE inches of snow over a THREE day period for the GR metro area and many of you are calling for HYPE! Careful if you live inland and expect BIG snow

    Enjoy it if you love to ice fish

  16. Storm waning says:

    35 next Saturday, welcome to Tennessee winters!

  17. Mindy ( Mason MI ) says:

    I live Inland. Just a few Flurries for me!!

  18. Ben (Charlotte) says:

    Filled up my leaf blower with gas. That should be enough to blow the snow that I’m going to get from this off my porch and driveway.

  19. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    We actually had a nice little burst of snow this morning in the Muskegon area. Only got a whopping 1/4 to 1/2 inch….but at least it is somewhat white out! Perhaps another band will form.

    By the way, the NWS “point and click” has us getting 8 inches by Sunday evening. Of course that will change…maybe even get better?

  20. Brad says:

    We’re still on track for 50s and 60s following this brief shot of cool air.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Thanks for the April forecast.

  21. 12z GFS looking alot better, now 6-8″ for my area. That will double on THE 18z!! 12-16″ COMING

    1. Harry (Battle Creek) says:

      That would be nice, but no way 12-16″ and highly doubt 6-8″. 3 to 6″ seems to be the winner so far.

      1. Why do you higghly doubt 6-8″???? check out 12z

      2. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

        Bill is forecasting 3-6″ for his area on Sunday alone.

      3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        You will easily get over 12 inches with three foot drifts!!!!!

      4. Irish coffee says:

        From SNL– “SIMMER DOAWN NOW” ya’all.. mesoscale features are not completely in hi -res timeframe….totals WILL increase in time…PATIENCE!! 12-16″+ totals are NOT improbable for heaviest hit areas from Sat night>Wed am…

  22. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    12Z GFS does look better for lake effect. They are also taking the lows at the end of the month SE of us now instead of right over us.

  23. weather watcher Fremont (For Rocky's benefit) says:

    Half an inch here…wind is picking up. Could be a be icy here soon.

  24. Mindy ( Mason MI ) says:

    Nice Sunny Afternoon!!!!!!

  25. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    GET READY! COLD, SNOW, WIND and BLIZZARD conditions are on the way! The GR area will be picking up at least 6 inches of snow by the middle of next week! After that we will have a lot more COLD and SNOWSTORMS headed are way. All of the skeptics like fixxxer and storm waning will be in for a rude awakening and will be crying next week! BRING IT ON – there is nothing better than temps in the TEENS with SNOW!!!! ROCK n ROLL baby!

    1. RJ says:

      you must be in Te’o land.

      1. Tonka says:

        Te’o joke. Nice! I am going to make believe myself a warm tropical beach.

    2. Barry in Zeeland says:

      And theres nothing better than a couple of cold days followed by temps in the 40′s to quickly melt everything away. Win!

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        You will not see temps in the 40′s till MARCH!

        1. Barry in Zeeland says:

          Um, have you checked the temps for tomorrow?

        2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Give me a break, tomorrow does not count because our real WINTER starts on SUNDAY. We will be getting hammered with cold and SNOW for about 5 straight weeks!!

        3. Barry in Zeeland says:

          Ok, man up and put some money on it then.

        4. Steelie says:

          Good Day,

          Yup – 50s and 60s…


        5. fixxxer says:

          rj you need to stop acting like an idiot bipolar on here. no one cares what you think. the bottom line is there is no big snows coming yet and yes it does look like a warm up. do us a favor and go back in hiding for the year.

          your even annoying me and im the biggest troll on here.

        6. Storm waning says:

          Ya know all you could just not respond to Rocky and skip over reading his entries.

        7. fixxxer says:

          Its hard when he posts the same thing 1000x an hour. Indy is a saint compared to this guy.

  26. Stacsh says:

    More interested in possible ice storm thurs/friday

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Not much ice, because 95% of this will be SNOW!

  27. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    Here’s a short video of the clipper system snow that missed us to the north.

  28. Steelie says:

    Good Day,

    Now let’s just calm down. Keep in mind all of the hyped up disappointment so far this year. This thing could really go either way, but 1″-3″ for GR is really pretty much a “non” event. (But with the cold temps, be careful driving if we get any snow, temps below about 19* and salt does not work.) As I have stated previously, we will have to wait for the Sunday model runs and see what it looks like for moisture aloft. No moisture, no snow. This will most likely be a very brief cool down with temps rebounding next Thursday into the low 30s with a chance for rain next weekend. Granted, that is a week away and things could change.


    1. arcturus says:

      Good luck with keeping the forum regulars calmed. I suspect those who don’t expect much will keep things in stride; those with high expectations will go quiet and sulk again in a never ending cycle. They can’t help it.

    2. fixxxer says:

      steelie and cort are the only two level headed people on this blog.

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        Thanks fix at least you did not count your self as level headed. You know there was a time when there were a lot of informated writers on this blog but in the last two years or so things have gone down hill.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Sorry slim i meant to include you too.

        2. Irish coffee says:

          3 people? seriously fixxx?That’s an insult- to be sure- for many decent posters whom blog here…INCLUDING Bill Steffen! I could think of at least another 10-15, at least….Gun Lake Deb, Harry, Jeff,Mike in Hamilton, Mike in Mattawan(my old stomping grounds;), Tom L(good IRISHMAN), to name just a few….Brad adds flavor here as well…though i sometimes disagree w/ him, he is at least civil/respectful.

        3. fixxxer says:

          Bill already knows i think he’s top notch.

        4. Scott (west olive) says:

          You forgot Kevin W. He’s been here longer than most. Ice storms don’t keep him busy anymore. :)

        5. Brad (Lawrence) says:

          Don’t forget Irish, there are 2 Brads… :P

        6. fixxxer says:

          Lol….my list is done.

        7. fixxxer says:

          Actually slim we lost alot of people because the weather has been boring the past two years.

        8. Irish coffee says:

          Sorry Lawrence Brad!..yes, you’re almost in my backyard– just a hop,skip and a holler due south of me;)
          and fixxx, my list is just BEGUN!We have Bruiseviolet…can’t forget michael g., Indy…Swatz…oh Sherry/Steve Perry..who could forget– Jack!!- updates later

  29. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    From Channel 17…


    As winds settle down a bit and shift more to the northwest, lake-effect snow bands will become heavier and more concentrated in the traditional lake-effect snowbelts, particularly in Oceana/Mason counties, as well as from Holland southward through western Allegan, Van Buren, and Kalamazoo counties toward the state line. Snow will taper off as you get east of U.S. 131. Inland areas may pick up another couple of inches, but the heaviest bands may dump six to twelve inches or more along the lakeshore during this timeframe.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      During part of this time frame the wind will be Westerly and GR will be getting moderate SNOW! Bring it on!

    2. Brad (Lawrence) says:

      Thanks Travis…that’s what I have been looking for all winter. Snowboard is ready.

  30. Jim S.(Saugatuck Twp) says:

    Sounds like I could be in the right place. Of course, with lake effect, where the main bands set up will mean everthing. I could see 2″ while 15 miles north or south could be getting 12″+.

    1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

      Exactly. That happens to our area with a NW-NNW wind. We receive 4″, and Allegan which is 6 miles to our west gets 12″.

      1. Jim S.(Saugatuck Twp) says:

        Once had less than 2″ while Allegan reported 23″ one night. It was right after T-giving around 2000 or so. On the other hand, I’ve had 18″ in one night, while Hamilton had 2″.

    2. Irish coffee says:

      Jim…much depends on meso/micro features…Sun night looks very good at this point; followed most likely 18-24hrs. later Mon by 2nd s/w– + models don’t pick up on meso-lows/lake aggregate trofs well from this far out– “far out”!<now there's an expression i haven't heard in a few years/DECADES!!

  31. fixxxer says:

    high & dry folks… getting closer to spring baby!

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      yes it if fix ever day is one day closer.

  32. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Winter is about ready to explode. Better late than never. For the next 4 to 6 weeks we will be seeing below to near normal temps and near to above normal precip!! This means SNOW. We will be seeing lake effect SNOW, lake enhanced SNOW, clipper SNOW and the best of all system SNOW!!! Get used to it!!!

    1. fixxxer says:


    2. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      You know rock for the most part you may be right but there will be warm ups here and there as well.

  33. Jeff(Northern Ionia County / Muir) says:

    Love your thinkink Rocky, I really hope it comes true.

  34. Irish coffee says:

    fwiw, NWS GR starting to increase hvy snow potential(LES) post-SUN.

    1. Irish coffee says:

      “increase”= highlight potential…i’m tired ;(

  35. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

    I right now don’t give diddly $hit on anything right now, just lost my beloved 10 1/2yr old Great Dane today :-( Right now the best thunderstorm could roll through I wouldn’t care in the least. My boys and I are devastated.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Sorry for your loss swatz.

    2. John (Holland) says:

      So sorry to hear that. :(

    3. Irish coffee says:

      …condolences- and my empathy(can relate in more ways than you may know;(

    4. Scott (west olive) says:

      Sorry for the loss of a family member. :(

    5. Robert (Plainwell) says:

      sorry Swatz

    6. Jack says:

      Sorry for Your Loss, Swat- Zoo. ;-) Anything we can Do, Let us Know.. :-(

    7. ~Sherry~ Comstock Park says:

      I am so sorry!! She was a beautiful girl!!

    8. Brad (Lawrence) says:

      Sorry Swatz. we lost our black lab back in April. I couldn’t remember the last time I hurt sooooo much. A dogs love is truly UNCONDITIONAL.

      1. INDY says:

        Hey Swatzzee I give u the shirt off my back INDY is really sorry for your lost!!

    9. Cupcake says:

      Hey Swatz….that is the worst thing ever – a dog IS part of the family and often, your very best friend….hugs to you guys..

    10. Red in Allegan Co. says:

      So sorry for your loss Swatz.

    11. Katie in Kentwood says:

      Oh no :( losing a pet is devastating. I lost my cat of 18 years last month. you and your boys are in my thoughts tonight.

    12. bobcat says:

      So terribly sorry Swatz… so hard to lose these loves.

    13. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      Sorry for your loss its alway hard when you lose someone you love.

  36. INDY says:

    Hey fizzer thanks for calling INDY a saint…U are a good guy!!! Well Well well RAMP IT STAMP IT AND COLD IT!! WE ARE BILLS BLOGG WE ARE ARTIC AIR !! R U READY???? …Swatzzee going to give INDY a 6pk of sprites becouse INDY is right on whats coming!! Even Bill has been falling of his chair on whats coming!! BEWArrrrrr!!!! indyy……

    1. Brad (Lawrence) says:

      I’m ready…R U ready???

      1. Brad (Lawrence) says:

        Jack & Indy ona scooter… :P

  37. ptmartin says:

    Monday will be breezy cold and partly cloudy with flurries Not that difficult to forcast!

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Not difficult if you want to 100% WRONG!

      1. fixxxer says:

        You mean like you always are?

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Thanks for that riveting commentary. Go back under your ROCK!

        2. fixxxer says:

          Lol im here all year round buddy.

  38. 11 Bravo (Yankee Springs/Barry State Game Area) says:

    Probably be a dud here in the state game area….. Maybe a bit more snow 5 miles to the SW towards Gun Lake Deb…..George on 13 is saying a foot or better towards lakeshore through Wednesday….4″ in GR

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      All right George L – he is getting closer to my prediction of at least 6 inches for GR!!! I am sure by Monday many experts will be predicting GR will be seeing at least 6 inches of SNOW with near BLIZZARD condition!! Bring it on baby!!!!!

      1. fixxxer says:

        Yeah becuase a blizzard is soo much “fun”.

  39. Brian(Grandville) says:

    As highs for tomorrow continue to rise, temps next week continue to fall as the next system approaches. Maybe all snow.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Yes and have been trying to tell people that for the last two days!

      1. Jack says:

        It’s all just a Precursor.. For the week of 2/4/13, BLIZZARD Of 2013… Stay cued.. ;-)

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Yes, Jack I have the week of 2-4-13 marked down on my calendar. Let’s see what the old JEM model is made out of!

        2. Jack says:

          Yo Rocky, Enjoy This CUE, It’s Theraputic for thee Eyes.. ;-) ENJOY : Rock therapy / Stray Cats – YouTube
          ► 3:31► 3:31


        3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          ROCK n ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      2. Brian(Grandville) says:

        Does the RDB model have any snow with the passage of the front tomorrow night?

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Unfortunately the RDB model only shows about an inch of SNOW for Sat night for GR, however the real fun will begin on Sunday night. Watch out for a WWA and 3 to 5 inches of SNOW for KENT county! Get ready to ROCK n ROLL!!

        2. fixxxer says:

          RDB stands for rj’s bs babble.

        3. Brian(Grandville) says:

          Ya, and it has predicted every bust the NWS failed on so far this winter.

  40. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    With such cold air pushing through tomorrow night, I would think there is going to be a nice burst of snow. The front will wring out whatever available moisture there is….and then the lake will have its turn.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      That would be GREAT if we get the party started on Sat night, because that would give us a good head start for the main show! The fun will really get cranked up with the arctic air and SNOW that will be arriving in full force on Sunday night and Monday!!!

      1. TomKap (Michigan St. & Fuller) Grand Rapids says:

        It’s all nonsense. An inch or two, then a warmup at the end of the week – all will melt as we HEAD INTO SPRING!!!

        BRING ON APRIL!!!!!!!!!! :)

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Bring on temps in the teens with wind and SNOW and BLIZZARD conditions!

  41. Nathan says:

    According to NWS, NW flow Sunday, so areas SW of GR will pick up about 3-6 inches of snow. The wind switches WNW for Monday and Tuesday, along with a huge contrast in the lake and air temps. This will result in all area near, along, and west of US 131 to pick up some heavy snow. I’m predicting about 8-12 inches SW of GR, 4-8 in all other areas along/west of US 131, and 1-4 inches elsewhere. What do you think Bill?

    1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

      This is one of the more realistic forecasts I’ve seen on this blog.

  42. INDY says:

    6-15 inches of snow inland counties 8-20 inches lk shore counties ….We are in theeeeeeeeeeee sweet spottttttttttt for heavy snowwwwwwwww and winddddddddd BLIZZARD WARNINGS are a coming…..SUNDAY THUR FRIDAY VERRY HEAVY SNOW 4 GRAND RAPIDS!! BILL is full and staffed for this urgent weather coming!!!!! Call in Dennis Hodgess INDY is full of sprites on this friday nights !!!!!Uncle Jack how about a cue!! Stay tuned ….INDYY…

    1. fixxxer says:

      Oh indy!

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:


    3. Jack says:

      INDYYYY …Uncle Jack didn’t Forget Your .. … CUE : Bob Seger – Rock And Roll Never Forgets – YouTube
      ► 3:42► 3:42 ;-)

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        One of the best songs ever!!!

  43. Nathan says:

    I dont really care how much snow I get, but as long as its above five inches, i should be fine!

    1. Nathan says:

      Bill, will Grand Rapids still see some lake effect accumulations? (I know it wont be as significant as other areas, but still)

      1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

        It looks like most of the accumulating snow will be SW and WNW of GR through Monday. GR looks to have a better chance of accumulating snow Tuesday and Wednesday with a more westerly wind.

        1. Nathan says:

          Yes, considering that the flow should change to a WNW direction by Monday night, we could be in for a nasty day Tuesday.

  44. Uncle sparkee says:

    Well well well my little brown and white hobos. I had your aunty Edna cuttin another cord today, my backs been bothering me since the poker game with Pitts and shydelll jr. The crazy bastards will knock ya the hell out of ya over 2 dollars and a pizza roll. Looks like we gots some good ol mi weather movin in. Ice fishin been reeeel nice up here all week, keepin your ol aunty Edna busy with the fryin pan. I just found a fat weasel in the party box!

  45. michael g (SE GR) says:

    To everyone touting the huge warm up coming late next week, GOOD CALL!

    1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:


    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:


    3. fixxxer says:

      No one knows what even tomorrow will bring mike.

  46. 11 Bravo (Yankee Springs/Barry State Game Area) says:

    The temps are going lower for late next week from what Bill said this eve……..

  47. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Cold might just hold right through most of February.

    Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

    warning clients set upsimilar to feb 07,jan 77 as vortex locks over e NAMER feb 1-15 l 77,mid 4cst r 07

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      This time Joe B might actually get a long range forecast correct :)

    2. bobcat says:

      ‘vortex locks over e NAMER feb 1-15 l 77,mid 4cst r 07′

      What does this mean!?!?….

    3. fixxxer says:

      you just love that guy don’t you mike? he gets his forecasts right about as much as rj & indy do.

  48. Uncle sparkee says:

    Smokin weasels and listening to Mother Nature howlin, feelin real nice in the ol love shack!

  49. big Daddy BC says:

    While we’re preparing for some long-awaited seasonal temps, Australia’s breaking heat records. Looks like us last summer.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Seasonable temperatures? I’ve got a high of 12 for Tuesday. If that’s our high it would tie for the COLDEST HIGH TEMPERATURE EVER FOR ANY JAN. 22 going back to the 1800s! I linked to the Australian heat on the bottom of this very thread…to a tweet sent out by none other than Dr. Ryan Maue!!!

      BTW – did you see the RECORD Snowfall in Eastern Europe:

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        another political site. good job, Magoo.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s fact!

          Heavy snow in Germany and Austria:

          Heaviest snow in years in E. Japan…900 injured:

          Heavy snow in Spain:

          People dying from the extreme cold in Ireland:

          Record cold in the Western U.S.:

          Record cold in Pakistan:

          “Marathon” snow in Greece:

          Record snow in Lebanon and Jordan:–winter-storm-takes-toll-across-mideast

          Historic cold in China:

          “Severe cold” in India (where over 120 have died!):

          “More ice earlier than normal” in Alaska:

          “Unusually harsh winter” in Mongolia:

          1000 ships trapped in ice in Western Pacific:

          Record cold in Korea:

          Antarctic ice reached a record level this past September and it’s been growing for 25 years:

          Ice roads opened early in Canada:

          Heavy snow in Vietnam:

          Lower 48 states…66.6% snow cover on 1/1 – most snow on the ground in 10 years.

          Heavy snow in S. Korea:

          Russia – 120 dead from the cold, -50C – thousands evacuated!

          Record snow in Eastern Canada:

          17 dead from unusual cold in Nepal:

          Dozens dead from severe cold in the Ukraine:

          Dozens dead from severe cold in Poland:

          Heckuva way to run a global warming disaster!!!! LOL!!!!

        2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Bill, I have heard a lot of talk about the earthquakes in Japan causing the Earth to go off its axis a bit…and thus leading to the crazy weather lately. Some say that is why it is warmer and less snowy on this side of the globe. What are your thoughts on this?

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Aren’t you a science teacher? Has NASA detected any movement on the axis? Evidence and Reasoning, Matt. Evidence and Reasoning.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Nepal cold snap. From your link, “The districts where the deaths have been reported are some of the poorest Terai districts of Nepal. “Those people are dying who have no quilt or blanket to sleep with during the nights,” Basanta Khatiwada, a Bara-based journalist told Xinhua.

          “It would be better if some organizations come forward and distribute warm quilts and blankets to the poor”

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Good idea! I’ll match what you give up to $250 for blankets for Nepal. I’m sure the Red Cross can direct our funds to their proper use. What do you say?

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      As things currently stand, the first two weeks of January 2013 now hold the records for the hottest Australian day on record, the hottest two-day period on record, the hottest three-day period, the hottest four-day period and, well, every sequential-days record stretching from one to 14 days for daily mean temperatures. This was after record breaking hot spring.

      “It is worth noting the summer just gone in the US was the warmest on record, with extreme heat records broken at a rate never previously seen before. Studies here and overseas are now showing that many of the recent extreme summer heat events around the world—such as the European heat wave of 2003, the Russian heat wave of 2010, and US heat waves during 2011 and 2012—would have been very, very unlikely without the influence of global warming.”

      Read more at:

      Read more at:

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Unfortunately, natural variability has changed. The dice are loaded and nature is rolling doubles far more often than ever before.

        2. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          now you are using the dice anology from Mr. Climategate himself Michael Mann.

          Low solar activity creates more blocking patterns which causes the so called extremes you love talking about.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Natural variability hasn’t changed…if anything it’s quieter! In 1934, we had the hottest year ever AND the coldest temperature EVER in Michigan (-51 at Vanderbilt) AND a record year of drought:

          In 1936, we had a very cold winter…4th coldest and top-ten snowiest February…then the biggest heat wave of all time, with readings of 108 in G.R. and 111 in Newaygo.

          Look at the intense hurricanes (bigger and more powerful than Sandy) that hit the East Coast in 1936 (1933 and 1938)

          1936 – 436 people killed in ONE DAY from tornadoes:

          Global Tropical Cyclone Energy has been dropping:×348.jpg It’s now the longest period of time EVER without a major (Category 3 and above) hurricane hit on the U.S. Mainland:

          The number of strong to severe tornadoes if anything has gone down in recent decades:

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Why are you posting information about tornadoes? And that laundry list above is pure rhetoric beauty. LOL I get changing the subject, but as heat records fall around the world, eventually you deniers are going to have to face the music. I’m sure you can surf the net and find all kinds of weather events that look like they’re contrary to what climatologists say is evidence of climate change, but the trend doesn’t lie. And since when do scientists use deaths as evidence of climate trends. If so, the 56,000 people that died in Russia’s 2010 heat wave should be included.
          Last year was a record hot year in the US, and a top ten year for the world, all of which occurred since 2000. Now Australia’s feeling it personally, and not just a little.

          BTW, where’s our winter? Who stole it?? And did anyone find last winter?? LOL

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Where’s winter? Look outside!!! And at any 7 or 8-day forecast! Last year was cooler than 7 of the last 11 years! And that’s with the “adjusted” numbers!! Global temperatures are flat…look at the graph from NASA:

          As Robert said…the Russian Heat Wave was natural variability:

          Global temperatures have been flat for a decade now and even “Handcuffs” Hansen has had to back off:

          The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade” – James Hansen et al.

          CO2 emissions are falling:

          Hansen’s admitting it’s not warming as he hoped and thought would happen…Gore’s getting the bib bucks from big Arab Oil as a consultant to Al Jazeera…and all you’ve got is name-calling on a weather blog.

          Enjoy the coldest week in four years!!!! LOL!!!

      1. Tonka says:

        Big daddy pedaling his global warming mantra once again. Swoop in with a few quips and links and away he goes!

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Swoops? Cool.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade” – James Hansen et al.

  50. fixxxer says:

    Tad bit breezy out bill.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      “Within the past decade, the number of extreme heat records in Australia has outnumbered extreme cold records by almost 3:1 for daytime maximum temperatures and 5:1 for night-time minimum temperature. The duration of heat waves has increased in some parts, especially in the northern half of the continent. Put another way, the frequency of abnormally hot days (above the 90th percentile) has increased by 30% and the frequency of hot nights (above the 90th percentile) has increased by 50%.”
      Read more at:

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Think globally bigD – not just the 1 1/2% of the world called Australia. GLOBAL TEMPERATURES HAVE BEEN FLAT and the climate profiteers have been FORCED to ADMIT IT!!!

        “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slow down in the growth rate of net climate forcing.” – James Hansen et al.

        NASA GISS Global Temperatures:

        And – HadCrut Data:

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Also…so far this month…here’s the temperature difference from average for major Australian cities: Sydney +4.5 deg., Perth +4.5 deg., Melbourne +3.7 deg., Brisbane _3.2 deg., Hobart +2.6 deg., Darwin +1.6 deg. That’s warm, but they’ve had warmer Januaries.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          That’s totally MISLEADING. Yet another lie. What percent of land does Australia occupy? What precent of land does the continental US occupy. Between the two, we’re at about 12%. What percent of land was affected by Russia’s 2010 drought? What percent of land was affected by Europe’s 2003 record breaking heat wave in which 70,000 died?! This crap’s all happened within the last ten years! Keep denying, Magoo.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          BigD: Where on Earth did you get 12% from??!! 73% of the Earth is covered by water…so at 12% you’re saying half the land area of the Earth is the U.S.!! LOL! You have to count the oceans! Australia is 1.49% of the Earth’s surface and the contiguous U.S. is 1.9% (not counting Alaska – which has been colder than average, so if you count Alaska, the U.S. hasn’t been so “hot”).

          Russian heat wave was natural causes:

          Studies found the European heat wave was caused by a strong anticyclone at both the surface and aloft, a decaying El Nino and an unusually active W. African Monsoon.

          The main point is that overall global temperatures have been flat for a decade. Even James Hansen has been dragged, screaming and kicking to reality:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slow down in the growth rate of net climate forcing.” – James Hansen et al.

          And CO2 emissions have been dropping in the U.S. and are now at a 20-year low:

      2. bobcat says:

        “Within the past decade”.. You seriously base your talk on the last 10 years? Now you’re going to call me a name…..

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          No, Princess. I kind of like you.

        2. Tonka says:

          Big Daddy, I am confused. When you talk of global warming and Bill hits you with fact after fact that you ignore, your argument continues. Who are you trying so hard to convince? Yourself, Bill, other bloggers? What is your end game?

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Tonka, Bill’s not presenting evidence contrary to the point. He’s posting random lows, deaths, and links to right-wing blogs. It’s like debating a ten year old who has no idea how science works. If you want to be his cheerleader, cool, but how about actually helping him provide evidence to support his position. At this point he’s just an angry old white man who’d defending a dying ideology.

        4. Tonka says:

          An angry old white man, really? Why the constant debasement from you? I have no facts to give about global warming; I for one am not a meteorologist or scientist. To find facts is easy on either side. I have other things to do. It seems though you are a one trick pony, trolling these blogs looking to pounce with your rhetoric.

          If you don’t like Bill, why do you constantly join in on his blog? Is it that you feel you enlighten others with your spin? What say you bloggers, does Big Daddy make a positive contribution to the blog?

          As for calling Bill an angry white old man, or calling me his cheerleader, is this not proof of your humiliation tactics? Why bring up race, are you that immature?
          You believe in global warming. Got it, your stance is clear. Bill however doesn’t agree with your stance, so now he is a right winger huh? How your words to you advances a discussion is beyond me. It just comes off as crude, childish, and done already.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          BigDaddy feels disrespected. He’s got a high opinion of his high opinions and he’s not used to being challenged. He doesn’t care about others, that’s why he interrupts so often here. When he gets cornered he resorts to lies and insults. He hides behind a fake name and email address. He knows that the reality of who he is would be unhelpful in furthering his cause. He’s particularly combative now because his arguments are not being accepted by most of the blog and his arguments have been losing ground in the scientific community. Note this from none other than climate alarmist and profiteer James Hansen:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slow down in the growth rate of net climate forcing. – James Hansen et al.

          Temperatures have been flat and CO2 emissions have been falling:

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