Season Snowfall – Sun. update

February 23rd, 2013 at 3:09 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

   It’s another great Sunday for Winter Sports.  Next weekend should be another fantastic weekend for hitting the slopes, sledding, skating, getting the snow machine out on the trails or ice fishing.  The picture here is from Timber Ridge, which is just NE of Gobles.  I’ve took some time and bounced around getting some season snowfall numbers.  Many of these are courtesy of the NWS and coop observers.  If you keep track of season snowfall, leave a comment and let us know how you’re doing this winter.

Grand Rapids (Ford Airport) 51.4″ (11.1″ below avg., 41.4″ to this point last winter), Muskegon 86.3″ (46.7″ in February, 6.6″ above average, 44.6″ at this point last winter), Lansing 20.4″ (20.1″ below average, 32.1″ to this point last year – LAN has missed both the synoptic and most of the lake-effect snow this winter), Holland 68.7″ (46.5″ in February), Bloomingdale 95.9 (northern Van Buren Co. and hope of the famous lake-effect snow magnet), Scottville 89.2″ (Mason Co.), Hart 67.0″, S. Haven 63.2″, Grand Haven 62.9″, Hesperia 56.6″, Fremont 55.6″, Kalamazoo 52.8″ (WMU), 5NW Battle Creek 44.3″, Hastings 41.8″, Baldwin 40.9″, Big Rapids 39.2″, Brooklyn 34.0″ (Jackson Co.), Vicksburg 30.5″, Ionia 26.8″, Alma 23.7″, Grand Ledge 18.9″, Charlotte 18.8″.  NORTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN:  Houghton Lake 48.0″, Lake City 62.5″, Traverse City 68.2″, 11 SE Kalkaska 88.9″, Petoskey 98.1″, Wellston 105.0″ with 19″ on the ground (Manistee Co.), Gaylord 111.5, with 26″ on the ground.    UPPER MICHIGAN:  S. Ste. Marie 117.5″ with 28″ on the ground, Marquette NWS 126.7″, Ironwood 130.1″, Tahquamenon Falls 143.3″, Munising 144.8″, Herman 151.0″, Twin Lakes 184.4″.  OUT WEST:  Alta, Utah (ski area) 278.5″, Kirkwood CA (ski area) 288″, Alyeska, AK (ski area) 542.0″.  WEBCAMS:  Paradise MI., Allendale, Silver Lake (Oceana Co.), Big Star Lake, Irons, Cadillac, Granite Island (in Lake Superior), Pine Stump Junction, and all the WOOD-TV webcams.

102 Responses to “Season Snowfall – Sun. update”

  1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    Not sure how long it will last but right now here in Walker we are getting big fluffy snow falling with a temp of 31°
    SlimJim

  2. fixxxer says:

    how lovey, snow almost everyday this winter.

    1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

      Sssssnnnnnooooowwwww!

  3. Larry from Hastings/Barry Co says:

    Light snow off and on here in Hastings. I hope the weather will be good on Sunday for the 500. I hope my “girl” wins, she is a good driver.

  4. Michael (Berrien county) says:

    Right around 55″ here so far for the season, give or take an inch or 2. That nearly 100″ in Van Buren county sounds a lil’ suspiciously on the high side to me, considering that’s not far from here.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The GFS plot gives Orlando a high of 57 on Friday, 54 on Saturday and 51 on Sunday. Now, Sunday’s Day 8, so don’t put much stock in it…but it gives Orlando .04″ precip. with an 850 mb temperature of -5C.

  5. Stephen (North Muskegon says:

    18z Nam looks good for a healthy 6-10 inch snowstorm!

    1. Jim S(Saugatuck Twp) says:

      shows about 4-6″, with some ice south of 96. Snow ratios just be very low since it gives me a half inch of liquid precipitation but not that much snow.

  6. Dan says:

    Thanks for posting, Bill! I thought, GR had topped 55 inches of snow fall for the season by now. It has seemed as if it has snowed EVERYDAY!
    It is WINTER! Has the month of February been above average for snow fall?
    Also, what percentage of those 49.2 inches is Lake Effect?
    I would be bet its around 70% or so!

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      Yes Dan the month of February has been well above average snow fall wise here in GR. We are now over 24″ for the month and with today’s snow fall more likely close if not over 26″ for the month. And GR is running -3.1° below average temp wise as well. As for the % of the snow fall that was lake effect well its a good bit of the snow fall and I will not make a guess on that one.
      Looking out the window the snow has all but stopped here now.
      SlimJim

  7. Bnoppe(Albion) says:

    GRR still seems to think this wont be a big storm

    1. Stephen (North Muskegon says:

      Not sure what they are looking at.. If you take a look at the 18z Nam the storm is on.

      1. Kevin(Rockford) says:

        I bet they are thinking it won’t be all snow.

        1. Stephen (North Muskegon says:

          If its all snow you thinking 6-10 Kevin?

        2. fixxxer says:

          We dont need more snow. Spring needs to get here and quick!

      2. Michael (Berrien county) says:

        I agree. 18z GFS is printing out 1.5 inches of water equivalent precip for me, most of which looks to be snow, yet the NWS seems to be underplaying this.

        1. NWS DET is much more bullish with the thinking, to the point of suggesting 6 or more inches of snows is looking more and more likely.

  8. Vincent(N.E.Kent CO) says:

    I am still going for 58 inches at Ford Airport for the season. That may be passed this week with Tuesdays storm. A friend of a friend told me that they had to shovel snow away from their house windows to let the light in. They live 5 miles north of Shingleton by the Bear Trap INN,east of Munising.

  9. Katie in Kentwood says:

    All my life I have grown up with “Snowmobiles” being the correct word and now people call them “snowmachines?” that word is so foreign to me! Anyone else call it that? :)

    1. Stephen (North Muskegon says:

      Hmm havn’t really heard that term and I’m only 20 maybe people around your area have been saying it? I dislike that term for them.

      1. Katie in Kentwood says:

        My grandfather was an avid snowmobiler and paved a lot of the snowmobile trails up north that they still use today :)

    2. Darlene says:

      Katie I never heard that until I started watching some of the Alaska reality shows. The Alaska State Troopers seem to call them snow machines

    3. Rumrunner says:

      Up in Alaska Ive only heard snowmachine. Canada, N Dakota… I don’t think it’s the same as “Pop” vs “Soda”, but a lot of places use that terminology.

      1. Katie in Kentwood says:

        Same here Darlene!

  10. Darlene says:

    It has been snowing nearly all day in Wyoming. Big fluffly flakes Pretty but way more than the one-two inch that is in the forecast

  11. fixxxer says:

    Gonna be a crappy spring, you watch.

    1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

      Fixxxer, lets focus on next weeks snowstorm… Don’t get too ahead of yourself! :p

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Fixxxy focus on a snowstorm? LOL :P

    2. Jack says:

      Fixxxer , This Spring Should be Awesome Temp. Wise not 2 Hot, and Not To Cold ! With LOTS of Thunder STORMS, for our Tracking FUN !!! ;-) . Wait and SEE !! JEM Model says SOOO !!! Stay CUED !!!! FIXXXXXXY !

    3. Katie in Kentwood says:

      Are you ever happy about anything?

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        NO!! He is whining Debbie Downer 100% of the time!

  12. Redd_Leader (Hamilton) says:

    Since adding snowmobiling in Hawaii to my bucket list, I’ve gotta say that considering the beauty that is the U.P. of Michigan right now, the clobbering in Kansas, and the super storm that was Sandy, that these snow totals while near average are somewhat, I guess I’ll say anti-climactic. I yearn for another 1978 where we get the average snow in one weekend! I was there man, and mind still equals blown, lol!

    Meanwhile…in West Michigan today, I’m impressed with what is actually in the fields around me. There’s an honest 6 inches of heavy compacted snow, that is just enough to take the harshness of the harvesting tracks out of them on a snowmobile. If I’m running over fieldstone, and I most certainly must be from time to time, I’m not feeling them in the slightest. Finally! The drifts next to the roads along the fields vary from two feet to six feet deep and I can glide right over the top of them, unlike two weeks ago where the same stunt would send me sinking down to the mud. Haven’t been that stuck in a long time!

    Weather today is light snow on and off, and accumulating at about 1/2″ per hour depending on what bands are coming ashore. I wasn’t crazy enough to ride last night like some of the blog members (ummm, Travis), because I’m old and that freezing rain looked better from my Laz-y-boy! On the other hand, today has been outstanding snowmobiling, with temperatures in the high 20′s, and 40 miles put on (so far)- But I still wish I was North of the Mighty Mack!

    My morning ride took me from Big Curve Discount gas station South of Holland, through East Saugatuck, along the Rabbit River West of Hamilton, to the Southeast side of Hamilton where I joined the West Loop of trail #592 of the Snowmobile trail system. I was on fields, and non maintained roads the whole way to the trail except for crossing the Rabbit River at 133rd Ave and 54th St, and crossing M-40 South of Hamilton on 130th Ave. The fields were fast and diagonal, and I made the 13 mile journey to the trail in about 20 minutes. I can’t stress enough the quality of the base (off trail) right now for being only 6 to 8 inches, and I can’t remember the last time they (the fields) were this well suited for speed.

    Now, I’m not condoning that anybody wanders blindly across random fields, but I’ve lived within 10 miles of this area for the better part of 40 years, and I know where the surprises are, and there ARE surprises! Be careful out there, and don’t buzz peoples houses! Also, all these fields around me are owned by cool guys who know me, and know where to find me if they don’t care for my presence. Luckily a lot of them are riders themselves, so I am always finding a new track down through the woods to the river or something I haven’t seen yet.

    Once I had connected to the trail system outside of Hamilton, it proceeded to beat the living snot out of me. :/ The base is just not there for a good grooming that will stick. I went there to scout out tonight’s trip to Hilliards, but I’m not looking forward to the 30 mile seesaw to nearly Wayland. Any riders in the Dorr/Wayland area want to chime in on your trail conditions?
    Or Gobles/Bloomingdale area? Just need dinner and one cold beer to make the day complete!

    For what it’s worth, it’s better riding than last year!

    Oh, and I saw a Bald Eagle today! I can honestly say this is the first time I’ve seen one South of Muskegon, and it was truly awe inspiring! She was feeding on a fresh kill of Rabbit, in the middle of a vast two mile wide field that I would never be able to get to outside of this time of year. I was sorry to have scared her away, and my attempt to get my iPhone out of layers of gear was feeble in getting a picture. On my way back through the area I gave her at least a 1/4 mile wide berth so that I could stop and watch her enjoy her dinner. Love, love, love Michigan!

    1. Jack says:

      Thanks Redd- Leader ! Nice Reading ! I 2 Lived through The BLIZZARD of 78 ! What a Blast to say the Least ! Keep having Fun, on your Snowmobile (I don’t Ride anymore due 2 Phsyical Issues). In conclusion , I Love. ,and have lived in Michigan,all my Life. IT JUST DON’T GET ANY BETTER THAN….MICHIGAN !!! God Bless Ya !! :-)

  13. Jeff (Fremont) says:

    Good moderate snowfall with big flakes here, 4 1/2 miles South by 1 mile West of Fremont (Sitka). Easily received more than an inch or so today, not too cold, not a lot of wind, just a beautiful day to be outside and enjoy mother nature. Going skiing tomorrow! Enjoy!

  14. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

    That surprises me that Grand Haven has 20 inches less than Muskegon for the season. Even more shocking is that I am closer to Grand Haven than Muskegon is, but I get more than Muskegon does. Maybe it is because Grand Haven’s site is right on the lake?

    1. Stephen (North Muskegon says:

      Seems to me (i know there isn’t) there is a dead spot on the lake that NEVER produces snow. And I live in the city of North Muskegon and we never get the lake effect the south end gets.

    2. Matt (Grand Haven) says:

      Matt, I plow snow in the Grand Haven-Muskegon area and I can tell you that there is a sweet spot between Grand Haven and Muskegon. Almost every time we get 2 to 3 inches of lake effect in GH there is double that just north of here and a touch inland. It seems most snows this year have dumped a couple inches more in the muskegon area this year, and with all of these snows we have had, I can see the total difference.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Yup, that is where I live. Near Rycenga Park. We have had more with pretty much evey event. I think the slight elevation increase helps.

    3. Tim (Spring Lake) says:

      I’m with you Matt. I drive all over the lakeshore daily for work, and think near our houses has as much snow as anywhere. But keep in mind, I think the Muskegon totals are taken at the airport over here near us. I’m wondering if the Grand Haven ones are taken at their airport also, on the south end of the city???

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Tim, I keep forgetting. Which part of Spring Lake are you in? Do you mean we don’t get more? Or just that we get the same?

        1. Tim (Spring Lake) says:

          I live right about on the Spring Lake and Fruitport border, really in Fruitport, but with a Spring Lake mailing address. Just off of West Fruitport near Walker rd.

        2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Oh alright. You are REALLY close. Glendale Circle off of West Spring Lake Rd. here.

      2. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        Yeah, they are taken at the airport. But I see that most of the time I still get more than the airport ten minutes away. I am in a great snowbelt.

    4. Todd In Nunica says:

      Yep I too plow from “in town” spring lake all the way up to behind the movie theater/airport. The sweet spot for me most times is from pontaluna south to (just north) of ferrysburg. And yea to the EAST of Grand Haven road. Closer I get to the lake the less I see. The place I do in ferrysburg usually has less (closer to the lake or could be just more consistent wind blowing it off the lots)

      Fruitport is for sure in the sweet spot, as is Nunica on a lot of snows. Course plowing………. the orientation of the buildings and lots plays just as much into snow depth as location. (East side sunken loading docks can be quite challenging on a windy snow)

      The two lots I have close to Grand Haven road and Hickory have produced the biggest snow on average every year. They are a bit sheltered from heavy wind and that helps to keep the snow on the lot and not drifting.

      1. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

        I am just east of Hickory and 31. I am so glad I picked the sweet spot without knowing! :)

  15. Jack says:

    CurrentlyHere in N.E. GR . We are experiencing ” CONFETTI SNOW ” , on and off ALL Day ! Beautiful SIGHT ! ;-)

    1. Clarence says:

      I thought that was a kind of cake. Is it a snow, too?

      1. Clarence says:

        Bill, what is this confetti snow. We are not well off, and i hope it wont cost a lot to get rid of.

  16. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    It was a glorious day out on the trails. Simply amazing conditions!! I received 4 inches of snow from the main storm and then 2 more inches since Friday night for a storm total of 6 inches! Not bad because I predicted 6.5 inches, however the NWS will probably say Rockford received 1.9 inches total! What a joke! Anyway it is another GREAT WINTER NIGHT outside. I do not see how it could be any better. Hey has anyone noticed that we are in COLD and SNOWSTORM PATTERN with no change in sight!!! :) Now let’s focus on ROCKIN WINTER STORM “ROCKY”!!!

    1. Ned S. (Now in South Holland) says:

      I’ve certainly noticed it here in Holland. We only need 3.5″ to make 50″ for the month of February. Not sure if that’s anywhere near a record, but it’s a lot of snow for a short month!

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        That sounds AWESOME!!!

  17. Nathan says:

    NWS says another 2 inches for me tonight… Which will bring my 36 snowfall total to over 5 inches… A bit off I would say?

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      NICE! Keep the COLD and SNOW rolling!!

  18. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I see the NWS is up to their tricks again. They are slowly coming around on winter storm ROCKY, however they are still dramatically underestimating the potential of ROCKY!!!!! Their discussion says 1 to 5 inches? Come on what a lame statement! Here are the facts:

    1. There will be very little rain or mixed precip with this storm from 1-94 to the North!!
    2. The track of this storm is GREAT for GR!!!
    3. This storm is still developing and they dynamics will be coming together in a couple more days!
    4. We will be getting more SNOW than the current models show!
    5. Any winter storm named is “ROCKY” will end up being a FANTASTIC winter storm!
    6. The RDB initial snowfall FORECAST for GR is 6 to 8 inches!! This forecast will be updated daily and it may go higher by Tuesday!
    7. SNOW and COLD for at least three more weeks! ROCK and ROLL forever baby!!!!

  19. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I just took a look at the 18Z NAM and I really like the looks of that model! The NAM did good job with the last storm. The storm will end up stronger that what the models are currently showing!! GET READY GRAND RAPIDS! “ROCKY will be ROCKING into town on Tuesday and Tuesday night!!!

  20. Tim (Spring Lake) says:

    I’m thinking these next 2 weeks of winter will be the end of any significant snowfall for the year. We may get dustings of snow after that, but I think Spring will be ready to get going by the time March Madness begins!! In the meantime, to all winter sports lovers, enjoy your time outside! My daughter and I worked on a snowfort today that we will hopefully complete tomorrow. Tuesday’s snow can be used as an “addition”….maybe a spare room…..lol

  21. Clarence says:

    Great weather for us poor folk. We can heat our home still. Thanks, Bill.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Here comes Governor Snyder’s energy tax! Good luck to everyone.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        You guys LOVE high taxes: http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html (Our Energy Secretary – who doesn’t own a car and gets chauffeured around – wants $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline prices). And the President wants your utility bills to “skyrocket”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNSZ62xiD4M

        I’m for giving the poor and the middle class a break. You’re for burdening them with higher utility bills and much higher gasoline prices.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        Higher gas taxes is a republican idea. As you well know, that’s your station’s party.

        “…state lawmakers are flirting with the idea of levying a sales tax on services to help pay for road repairs as business leaders are pressuring the Legislature to approve large increases in gas taxes and vehicle registration fees.”

        From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130226/POLITICS02/302260363#ixzz2M6yzKAv6

        “Snyder also wants to increase motor vehicle registration fees 60 percent on cars and light vehicles and 25 percent on commercial trucks and trailers to raise $1.2 billion more a year for roads and infrastructure improvements.”

        Your teabaggers are a bunch of hypocrites. We don’t need more taxes!!! What you have is rhetoric, but the facts say something totally different. Read the article. Your GOP leaders have been taxing the hell out of us ever since they took control and they’re not about to stop now.

      3. Bill Steffen says:

        I don’t support higher taxes on gasoline. I would support higher taxes on special interest shills who interrupt weather blogs, though!

        LOOK AT THIS: Antarctic ice is still at an all-time record extent AND it looks like we may have reached the earliest summer minimum ice in history: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png Holy Penguin! It didn’t even get down to average extent during this summer: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

        And Arctic ice is at a greater extent than on any Feb. 28 in the last 7 years: http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_area.png

        U.S. snowcover (lower 48 states) on 2/27 was 49.1% – that was the 2nd highest for any 2/27 going back 10 years. The 10-year average is 37.5% We also have above average snow cover across Europe and Asia: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif

  22. big Daddy BC says:

    It’s great that after a bummer first half of winter, the snow machine is consistently piling it on here in the Western half of the state. I read today on NOAA, though, that we’re still way up in terms of temps and way down in terms of precip as of January 31.

    “The 12-month period, ending in January, was the warmest such period for the contiguous U.S., with every state being warmer than average. Sixteen states, across the central U.S. and Northeast, were record warm, and 27 additional states were top ten warm. The February-January nationally-averaged temperature of 55.0°F was 2.9°F above average and the ninth warmest of any 12-month period on record for the nation.”

    They also had this to say about the state of the drought: “According to the January 29th U.S. Drought Monitor report, 57.7 percent of the contiguous U.S. was experiencing moderate-to-exceptional drought…”

    AND, “Lake Michigan and Lake Huron fell to their lowest levels since record keeping began.” Can’t help but wonder what effect all this late-season lake enhanced snow will have on water levels. Scary stuff.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2013/1

    1. Jacob G says:

      Take March 2012 out of that trailing 12 month average and you have a completely different story. Once in lifetime event and not a new normal.

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Really? July was the hottest month the northern hemisphere has on record. Last summer was the hottest summer on record. Every other month is hotter than average, not just March.
      It wasn’t just a shade above the hottest consecutive twelve months. It was almost three degrees. If that happened in just one month, it would be even more significant, not less. What’s even more alarming is the lake levels.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        And as an aside, that’s using the global warming average temp which was adjusted by half a degree.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Everyone now agrees that “global warming” has leveled off. There’s hardly a more rabid climate profiteer that “Handcuffs” Hansen (who worked had to “cool” the 1930s). He’s been arrested 3 times chaining himself to fences with the actress Daryl Hannah. Even HE has hard to admit that the warming has leveled off:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Here’s the GISS Temperature record: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Leveled off?! Are you nuts. NOAA just announced that the last twelve were the hottest consecutive twelve months in history. LOL Try again.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Please look at my link FROM NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif This is global (not U.S.) temperature and you can plainly see GLOBAL temperatures have been flat for the past 10+ years.

          24 of the 50 states still have their hottest day EVER back in the 1930s. It got hotter back then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes

          No more wasting money on special interest climate boondoggles like Solyndra and LG Chem: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          If they’ve flattened then why is NOAA calling the last twelve months the hottest year on record??

          And if they’re flattening, why are our winters continuing to warm. I want you to look up two terms, latent heat and specific heat. It’s science and I know it’s been fifty years since you were in a classroom, but I bet you’ll catch on.

          http://www.climatecentral.org/news/winters-are-warming-all-across-the-us-15590

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          For at least the fourth time…here’s why bigDaddy’s link is a fraud:

          His link shows that temperatures are slightly warmer in the winter since the 1970s. Why does the author of the article start the graph in the 1970s? Because the 1970s were the coldest decade of the last 120 years. PLEASE look at the graphs and read the article here: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/01/25/january-temp-by-decade/ Did you see the 2 graphs? Can you see how you can get an entirely different impression looking at the 2nd graph than looking at the first graph? The author of bigDaddy’s link and bigDaddy are trying to fool you…trying to manipulate the data so that you’ll willingly take action to avert the “crisis”. THERE IS NO CRISIS that necessitates “skyrocketing” utility rates and $9 a gallon gasoline prices. Don’t believe his nonsense. – See more at: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2013/02/23/season-snowfall-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3551248

    3. dano (Norton Shores) says:

      BIG DADDY,

      I have lived on the lakeshore my entire life; I have seen Lake Michigan at its lowest and highest. It was so high in 1986 with all the rain; many were worried about the dams on the Muskegon River collapsing. Now we are at a low point. Gee, no rain last summer and not much in the fall; not difficult to understand why the lake is low. Although other factors as well, sunny days = lots of evaporation. Are you blaming global warming on the lake levels of 1926, 1931, 1934, 1938, 1958 and 1964? Are you blaming low lake levels on global warming? What about high lake levels? Is that caused by global warming?

      http://www.in.gov/dnr/water/files/07WaterLevelGraph1918-2002HistoricLakeMichigan.pdf

      The point is, this has been going on for years, and it’s called cycles. What bothers me about “global warming alarmists” you wrap anything and everything to do with weather “global warming”.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        dano, what bothers me is people like you that use terms like ‘alarmists,’ aligning with a camp that uses rhetoric and anecdote (above) rather than data. You put all kinds of words in my mouth with that essay you wrote. I understand that lake levels fluctuate, but what you don’t seem to get is that fluctuations like this one ARE extreme. It is after all the lowest level since record keeping began almost a hundred years ago.
        Taken alone, it may seem like an okay extreme, but taken in combination with proven rising temps, a drought that’s in its third year, the hottest consecutive twelve months in history, the hottest March, the hottest month ever (July), the hottest summer ever, the hottest decade, the worst Arctic melt off in history, and on and on, it does support a climate change scenario.

        1. dano (Norton Shores) says:

          My intentions were not to put words in your mouth. Sorry if it came off as that.

          The warmest March we have ever had last year is true, but one week of 80s in March, I look as an anomaly. That is just something that is very rare. The dust bow era of the 1930s was very rare. I am not going to go into all the arguments we both can make back and forth. I think we both agree that weather is always changing. That’s what makes it interesting to follow. The measurement of weather over time, in our lifetime is a very short measurement. I am not saying we need to not look at this, I am saying spending billions on something we just don’t know is going overboard. Having someone like Al Gore, who is a very decisive figure” is the face of climate warming is a non starter. He’s a politician, not a scientist. I know there are other scientists, who argue about climate warming, but Gore is the face of it and he is just too of a polarizing figure to be taken seriously.

          I made my point in my earlier post and I will leave it at that, no point in making some wordy response. I appreciate you reading it and responding.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Gore’s just Gore. He pissed all the corporations off when his movie brought all that attention to the issue of climate change, but he’s far from the perfect environmentalist. His sale of that network to Al Jazira was ridiculous, $300 million or not. So I agree that he’s polarizing and a greedy politician like the rest. What the right’s done is exploited his errors in judgement somehow as evidence that climate change isn’t real. They’ve done the same with others like Hansen. It’s an old trick. Steffen sure uses the heck out of it. The problem is that despite what imperfect people we have trying to rally us to protect the environment, the science still says it’s changing and much faster than natural fluctuations can explain.

          So the question is, do you believe the world’s scientists or do you believe they’re all in cahoots. It’s insane to think that anyone could get all of those esteemed institutions together and agree to misrepresent, falsify, and lie. I love a good conspiracy, but come on.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Gore’s about all you’ve got left…the ultimate climate profiteer. He’s now worth a lot more money than Mitt Romney. He’s taken all that oil money.

          His movie (actually a slide show that he had a lot of help with putting together) was riddled with hyperbole, misstatements and predictions that are not coming to pass.

          Hansen’s words are his own:

          ““The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al. I didn’t write them. When you look at the data chart below, it’s the only possible conclusion.

          Here’s the GISS Temperature record: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          BigD – you’re like the guy who predicted the Detroit Lions were going to be in the 2013 Super Bowl. As the season progressed and loss after loss occurred, he kept saying the Lions were going to turn things around and march to New Orleans. Every else looked at the obvious and gave up. They could see that reality didn’t match the predictions. But there was that one guy who couldn’t accept reality, ready to “go down with ship” rather than get in the lifeboat of common sense.

          Today in 2013, global temperatures are flat and as Dr. Judith Curry notes, the models used to make the dire predictions are “deeply flawed”: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html

        4. Irish coffee says:

          Speaking of scientists and “accuracy” BD….NEARLY ALL(ALMOST 100%)of climate specialist/scientists 15 years ago predicted a steady INCLINE in global temps. to a much higher level than currently measured…so drop the BS about scientists “in the know” …& trusting their predictive skill-set.
          Quick quiz: Obama’s tactics of HIGH taxes+INCREASED regulatory policies will-
          A)Drive growth and stimulate the economy wrt to energy , transportation, and manufacturing costs(goods and services) w/ overall LOWER healthcare costs, OR
          B) Just the OPPOSITE of “A” ?

        5. Irish coffee says:

          ANS) b…implementation of OBAMACARE alone is expected to add $6.2 TRILLION to debt….

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          Nearly all? What all? Cite it, Blowhard. LOL It is hotter than it was a decade ago. NOAA just announced that the last twelve months was the hottest year in history.

          Your rabid hatred of Obama is sickening. The man rescued us from GWB. He’s turned our great nation around and all you nutjob righties can do is complain about the debt. Hilarious considering it was Cheney who said the debt doesn’t matter. You weren’t crying then! And now our republican governor proposes raising gas taxes and you idiots sit there with your fingers in your ears. What a joke.

          BTW, you still owe me for last winter’s bet. Pay up, Cheat.

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          bigD – you remind of the guy who’s still trying to sell 8-tracks. There’s been new and better technology and we’ve moved on…no one is buying 8-tracks anymore. So, here you are still trying to sell rapidly increasing temperatures when the truth and the data have thoroughly debunked that nonsense! Again:

          from NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif Global temperatures have been flat for 10 years!

          Even the most rabid of climate profiteers, “Handcuffs (he’s been arrested 3 times) Hansen has had to admit the obvious:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2M4WTgvrN

          Wow! Over the last week, the continental U.S. has averaged 2.594 degrees cooler than average! http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_noram_t2m_week_anom.png

          The first part of March looks cooler than average, continuing the trend.

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          So now you’re interested in trends??? Since when?

          Here’s the trend. Winters are warming. Good luck refuting this one. Or is it just another Bill Steffen Limbaugh coincidence? LOL

          http://www.climatecentral.org/news/winters-are-warming-all-across-the-us-15590

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s about the fourth time you’ve put up that link. Are you totally out of ideas. I’ve debunked it at least twice.

          bigDaddy’s link shows that temperatures are slightly warmer in the winter since the 1970s. Why does the author of the article start the graph in the 1970s? Because the 1970s were the coldest decade of the last 120 years. PLEASE look at the graphs and read the article here: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/01/25/january-temp-by-decade/ Did you see the 2 graphs? Can you see how you can get an entirely different impression looking at the 2nd graph than looking at the first graph? The author of bigDaddy’s link and bigDaddy are trying to fool you…trying to manipulate the data so that you’ll willingly take action to avert the “crisis”. THERE IS NO CRISIS that necessitates “skyrocketing” utility rates and $9 a gallon gasoline prices. Don’t believe his nonsense.

  23. Brent (Cedar Springs) says:

    Wow heavy snow still coming down here. Wasn’t expecting this. Northern Kent County might need a wwa!!

  24. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    We’ve added 1.5″ here so far today. 46.85″ for February so far, and 83.4″ overall. Snowfall since January 20th(35 days): 75.15″!!!! Just insane!

    1. Irish coffee says:

      I’m stuck in the middle between Gr Jct. & Bloomingdale…i’m suspicious of Bloomingdale’s total in mid 90′s…i’ve had approx~80″ w/ near identical snow depth currently(and throughout winter) as Bloomingdale, fwiw…but also i question Paw Paw amt. as reported on NWS snow pg. of 48″? They are much closer to 70″, imo

  25. INDY says:

    IT HAS BEEN SNOWING FOR 13 HOURS NOW OUT AT THEE YARDofBRICKS!!!! FROM GETTING CUED AND TATTOOOO TONIGHT …GOOD SONG ON STUCK IN THE MIDDEL WITH U!!!!! INDYY…

    1. ~Sherry~(Comstock Park) says:

      I remember that song!! It was a great one!!

    2. Jack says:

      That Song was done By STEALERS WHEEL…. Just a FYI…. Stay Cued, Big SNOW STORM…. Coming Soooonnnn !! ;-)

  26. big Daddy BC says:

    http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/02/lakes_michigan_and_huron_hit_a.html

    A present from Al Gore, a snowless winter, and the hottest summer on record. Now Snyder’s asking for money to dredge. Who says global warming isn’t expensive. Maybe he’ll use that gas tax he wants to pay for it. Holy Smokes!

    1. Irish coffee says:

      …not to worry BD BC- Obama is trying to see to it that gas taxes will be a thing of the past…as soon as he finishes TRANSFORMING America…almost EVERYTHING will be PUBLIC domain; public transportation will defer the need for private travel, public housing/renters will become lions’ share of HomeNONowners, healtcare? nationalized, energy production? let the government handle it….ed? do away w/ charter/voucher/magnet/home-ed/et;al non-public indoctrination sites! No wonder world-class DICKtators and TYRANTS alike Chavez, Jong-IL, Castro, Ahmadinejead(not to mention muslim extremists,PLO,etc) were SO supportive of Obama a 2nd time around….VIVA SOCIALISM!!! SIG HEIL MARX! ;)

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        Alright, Nut Job. Public domain? ALEC is working as hard as it can to do away with all public services… libraries, police, army, schools, social work, judges, healthcare… You crazy militants would take this great country back two hundred years. Stay in your compound with your thirteen year old wife and stuffed squirrel collection and leave the hard stuff to people who have more than a fifth grade education. We don’t want your guns or your bible. Keep ‘em. All we want is a strong nation that exists for the betterment of all its citizens, not just the ones with seven figure bank accounts.
        Social programs and a free market are not mutually exclusive. You can’t have one with out the other, despite what Bill Steffen Limbaugh’s been telling you.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          ROFLMAO! ALEC is working to do away with health care?? And judges?? and police?? HA HA HA!!! And the Boogie Man is hiding in the closet, bigD!! A classic example of paranoia overriding obvious reality. Social programs and a free market are not mutually exclusive??? Do you realize how utterly fringe and lunatic you sound when you make nonsensical statements like that? Dissing the social programs of every private charity…the United Way, the Red Cross, the Salvation Army? And dissing the religion of the vast majority of African-Americans, Hispanics and the religion of the vast majority of Democrats?!!

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Not sure why you’ve butted into our conversation or why you’re bringing religion into it, but ALEC is not a religious organization. It’s a group of billionaires, corporations, and right wing politicians that draft bills and policies for state governments. And yes, one of their goals is the privatization of all things public. I’m sure you get their newsletter, being an obvious member of the cult. They’ve written most of the bills that were ramrodded through our legislature since the GOP took full control. They’re responsible for raising taxes on the middle class, decreasing workers’ rights, gutting education, weakening environmental protection, and giving cash hand over fist to corporations and billionaires.

          You’re right. ALEC is the Boogie Man. It’s the reason Michigan’s recovery has been slowed and the reason why the right is now raising taxes on goods and services, auto registration, and gasoline. Do you remember when conservative meant conservative?

        3. Irish coffee says:

          …once again BDBC- i’m Independent/conservative, NOT GOP..so NO i don;’tsupport HIGHER TAXES…not for gas, roads,sales,property,etc….big gov’t talks like Sequestor WILL ruin our nation, when in reality, they(fed gov’t) will still OUTSPEND last years budget this year- even given the 80+ billion cuts via sequestor…Obama’s “balanced approach” is a bunch of bull shat, sorta like me saying i will cut calories/weight next year but then eating MORE/getting fatter and excusing it w/”well i did cut back from the 5000 calories/day that i WANTED to eat…& only went from 2200- to 3000 calories” and ‘pretend’ i actually CUT anything would NOT pass straight-face test! Thanks for all the nice name-calling along w/ your posts- is that how you talk/treat your relatives/neighbors who don’t think the way you do(and may actually read a bible/own a gun)?
          As for the bet , i spent 8 hours walking dead around Lakeview Square Mall last Mar. wearing “BIG DADDY KICKED MY A$$! IN A WX CONTEST” Where the hades were YOU?! ;)

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s my blog, BigD – you’re the one who always butts in. While the blog comments are about the thread, you interrupt to go on another special interest, screw the middle class rant.

          You also brought religion into it by dissing Christians and Jews (the “bible”) in your above comment.

          I never heard of ALEC until you brought them up and I don’t get their newsletter. If they’re trying to stop special interest shills like you from screwin’ the middle class and the poor with “skyrocketing” utility bills and “$9 a gallon European level” gasoline prices – more power to ‘em!

          I’m in favor of a strong and effective Red Cross, United Way and Salvation Army. Private charity does a lot of good in the world and I will strongly oppose those of you on the left that would destroy these fine organizations to divert the money to a bloated and bankrupt Federal government.

  27. Bill Steffen says:

    The falling level of Lake Michigan is not related to a relatively small increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. Read this: http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2013/02/lack_of_precipitation_is_not_t.html Precipitation has been greater than average 7 of the last 12 years in the Lake Michigan/Huron Basin. Precipitation in the Grand River Basin has been above average over the past 2 years. While snow was a below average last winter, total precipitation was above average! Precipiatation/evaporation does not explain a 17″ drop in the water level of Lake Michigan in 12 months. Please read this article for a better explanation: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/pressure-mounts-to-restore-great-lakes-water-levels-f76ug5a-170854881.html

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Small increase? It’s gone from 280 to 380 ppm. That’s off the fricken chart. Are you saying it’s small because it’s parts per million and you can’t fathom how the chemistry works? What do you think 380 ppm of Carbon Monoxide would do to you? Go back to school.

      Fact is, Lake MI and Huron have been dropping for the last several months. They’re at the lowest IN RECORDED HISTORY! You think it has nothing to do with the hottest twelve months in recorded history or the fact that 57% of the country is still in three year moderate to severe drought? Keep trying the company line, Steffen. No one’s buying it.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        It depends on how you draw the chart! With the additional CO2, we still aren’t as warm as we were in the 1930s!!!

        Lake Michigan and Lake Huron have been dropping for 26 years and if you would take the time to read the articles that I linked to, it’s not because of how hot it was last summer (when it was hot, the wind was nearly calm on the lake and a stable, cool and more humid marine layer formed over the lake, reducing evaporation…you can actually evaporate more water off the lake on a dry, windy winter day than a hot, humid, calm summer day) or the lack of snow last winter (that part is just nonsense because overall precipitation was higher than average last winter…and this winter…and in 7 of the last 12 years). The article places the blame on dredging the St. Clair River. Read the article and maybe you’ll learn something beyond Gore’s talking points.

        The drought has nothing to do with “global warming”. Listen to the State Climatologist from Texas: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.” reference here: http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=5113

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        It doesn’t depend on how you draw the chart. The temps are the temps and the thirties were hot in the US, but not worldwide, not compared to today. You can make all the claims you want about global temps flattening, but the fact that the last twelve months make up the hottest year on record means that they’ve done anything but flatten.
        As far as the dried up Great Lakes go, it must be yet another coincidence that the lakes have evaporated away during this drought. Amazing how many coincidences occur in the Bill Steffen Limbaugh weather world. Welcome to Fantasy Island! LOL It’s a coincidence that the Arctic melted to the smallest its been since record keeping began. It’s a coincidence that the temperature curve exactly matches the CO2 curve. It’s a coincidence that last year was our hottest summer on record, hottest spring, AND hottest fall on record or that July is the hottest month ever. LOL Hilarious. I keep waiting for that global cooling you and Bastardi were predicting last year. Any day, huh?

        “Global warming adds yet another stress to a Great Lakes system already struggling with aquatic invasive species, deleterious land use changes, nonpoint source pollution, toxic chemical contamination, and coastal habitat degradation/wetlands loss. Potential global warming impacts include reduced water levels (due in particular to decreased winter ice cover allowing more evaporation), increased frequency of intense storm events (altering the timing of inflows), and warmer water temperatures.”
        See more at: http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Effects-on-Wildlife-and-Habitat/Great-Lakes.aspx#sthash.Fym8PiAo.dpuf

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          We had the warmest temperatures in North America in the 1930s. The same was true in Europe and Asia:

          From this book: http://books.google.com/books?id=qBuQyL8JZ-kC&pg=PA471&lpg=PA471&dq=1930s+temperatures+europe&source=bl&ots=ZBHs7mw2AH&sig=nwKaVd2Bbh7zDhPHoOvmFQN4EII&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IeMuUbv-E5KA2AWqsIG4Aw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=1930s%20temperatures%20europe&f=false

          “A pronounced increase in mean temperature occurred in Sweden and Finland from the late 1880s to the 1930s”

          “…the very warm 1930s”

          “The winter and annual European temperatures warmed consistently between 1860 and the 1930s”

          The “potential global warming impacts” that are cited by the special interest website with the hope of getting government grants and private contributions by scaring potential donors is NOT HAPPENING!

          We are NOT seeing an increased frequency of intense storms. The water temperatures last summer were not as warm as 1980 or 1988. The reduced water levels are NOT due to reduced precipitation. Precipitation over the Lake Michigan/Huron basin has been above average 7 of the last 12 years. It’s been above average each of the last two winters. Lake Erie was a foot ABOVE average this spring.

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