March 12th, 2013 at 10:55 am by under Bill's Blog, News, Weather

indianhead snow   Skiing at Indianhead in the U.P. where they have had 183″ of snow so far this winter (pic. courtesy of Snowplaces).  Check out the snow on the webcam at Krupp’s Resort at Twin Lakes.  Snow cover this Tues. AM:  1″ Muskegon and Hart, 4″ Alpena, 6″ Traverse City, 7″ Houghton Lake, 8″ Cadillac, 10″ Kalkaska, 14″ Gaylord, 24″ Sault Ste. Marie, 11″ Manistique, 34″ Munising, 35″ Grand Marais, 39″ NWS Office Negaunee.  As of this Tues. AM, 29.7% of the Lower 48 states has a snow cover with an average depth of 5.2″.  That compares to 11.5% on 3/12/12.  The overall pattern looks cool.  We are not done with the cool and snowy weather.  Over the last month, the Quebec block has forced the cold air well down into the SE U.S., with warmer than average weather over NE Canada.  The first 11 days of March were 8 degrees colder than average in Orlando, including a frosty 30 degrees on the morning of the 4th and 8.5 degrees colder than average in Jacksonville.

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  1. Brad says:

    Alaska is boiling!

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Through March so far:

      Ancorage +6.5°
      Fairbanks +4.9°
      Barrow +7.0°
      Kodiak +2.6°
      Nome +7.3°

      Barrow is averaging -7°, hardly literal boiling =)

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Some crazy variations make up the averages in Alaska. December 2012:

      Anchorage -4.4°
      Fairbanks -13.2°
      Barrow -1.8°
      Kodiak -1.8°
      Nome -6.3°

    3. Brad says:

      Alaskans go nude above 50F…well, at least some of them should.

    4. Bill Steffen says:

      http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/brrrrrrrr-last-year-coldest-three-decades-anchorage

      “The 49th state has long been labeled one of the fastest-warming spots on the planet. But that’s so 20th Century. In the first decade since 2000, the 49th state cooled 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit.” http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/forget-global-warming-alaska-headed-ice-age

      1. Robert (Plainwell) says:

        Makes sense Bill with the shift in the PDO. Good info.

      2. DF (SE Mich) says:

        Agreed, people don’t understand what encompasses the average up there. Temperatures vary wildly all the time.

  2. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Poor Florida…

  3. Brad says:

    Cool topic (atmospheric flow patterns and resonance) on Jeff Masters’ blog: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2366. An interesting read.

    1. Cort S. says:

      Political motivations and implications aside, this is actually a really interesting topic of research. Our weather here in the mid-latitudes is all about Rossby waves and hemispheric wave dynamics, so this is important stuff to learn and study (and this is why we have to learn 3-4 semesters of calculus in meteorology school). It’s just so insanely complicated and non-linear, but we’ll get better at it. It has big applications to seasonal forecasting too. Too bad our period of record of the jet stream’s behavior is so short, less than one human lifetime. We are just scratching the surface here, but it’s incredible how far we’ve advanced in just a millisecond of human history.

      1. Brad says:

        I think the blog post and quotes are fair and data-focused. This looks like a fascinating area of study, and helps frame some of these “freak” events within a discernible pattern.

        1. Cort S. says:

          Dr. Masters’ blog post is fine, but I just didn’t want this discussion to degenerate into a mud-slinging battle. I feared that that one sentence where he used “global warming” and “researchers cautioned” in the same sentence might set off the usual chain of partisan character defamation, at the neglect of the average person better understanding the basics of atmospheric science. So that’s my angle.

          This research is certainly interesting and important. An amplified and stagnant wave pattern in the jet stream would be responsible for events like last March’s heat wave across our half of the country. The heat last March was remarkable not only for its warmth, but its duration. I’m guessing such an anomaly would have less than a 1% chance of occurring in any March, based on our 100+ years of surface data. But if amplified standing Rossby waves do become more likely to occur from time to time within a season, then the chances of another event like last March would increase somewhat.

          To go along with that, I just read this article, and the part where they talked about “trainwreck seasons” caught my attention. If we get springs where a two-week stretch of warm weather leads to a two-week stretch of normal or below-normal weather (the cold side of the amplified wave train, where freezes would still be typical), this is what would kill off a fruit crop easily. It would be worth asking more farmers about the trainwreck springs of decades past, to get a better idea of how common/uncommon they were.

          Overall, good topic to learn about. Interesting theory, far from being set in stone. Lots more research to be done!

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        From the New York Times: http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/natural-causes-drove-russian-heat-wave-study-finds/

        The 2010 Pakistan Flood was not the worst disaster in Pakistan history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_in_Pakistan The 2010 flood cost 1750 lives. A similar flood in June 1977 resulted in 10,354 fatalities. A wind storm in 1965 killed approximately 10,000.

        The drought in 2012 was not caused by “global warming”. This is from the State Climatologist of Texas, Dr. John Nielsen-Gammon: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century…” (http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=5113)

        1. Brad says:

          Bill, you’re not qualified to make these statements.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Instead of such a weak response, please take time to read the links I’ve shared above.

        3. Brad says:

          Bill, you have conducted no substantive climatic research, and your approach of throwing shyte at the wall to see what sticks in no way challenges the broader implications of the aforementioned research. It’s quite telling that you resort to flaming me when I try to share exciting, interesting research with the blog readers.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Did the Speaker of the House at the time even read the “Obamacare” bill that confiscates 1/7th of the economy? I at least read your link.

          I’ve conducted a LOT of climate research in my 40+ years as a meteorologist. I created my own climate research project when I was at the Univ. of Wisc. and the Univ. was impressed enough to give me 2 earned credits for completing it. I have more insight than you as to who and what to believe when it comes to climate information. Your credentials are…

        5. Brad says:

          Bill, let’s see your publications on climate.

  4. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    I don’t know where Munising takes their snow depth reports but looking at the web cam from Munising I would say it looks to be more in the order of 15 to 18″ in town. The downtown cam is less then a half mile (if that) from Lake Superior….not sure how the 34″ report come about!!!
    I have posted this cam several other times but hey its a good cam…..

    http://www.exploremunising.com/weather.html

    SlimJim

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      BTW not trying to down play the report Munising still has a lot of snow on the ground but I just do not see 34″ from the cams……
      SlimJim

    2. chuckd says:

      I used to live right on Lake Superior just east of Marquette. We had 200+” snow the winter I was there and I had to only plow the drive once. All of the snow from the wind would dump 1/2-3/4 mile inland and blow over most of the shore area. I think downtown Munising would be similar with it being almost right on the lake.

    3. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

      Well last week Baldwin was reporting 11″ on the ground, and the snow around the snowmobile trail was knee deep(16-20″). So there could easily be 34″ a few miles from town Munising.

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        That very well may be….BUT ever picture tells a story don’t it!!!!!
        SlimJim

  5. michael g (SE GR) says:

    GFS has a foot of snow and lots of cold weather in the next two weeks. New normal!

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      I think that is more like the old normal…well more like normal…
      SlimJim

  6. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    183 inches of SNOW! Very nice! Possible clipper this weekend and then a SNOWSTORM next week! How is this possible? Who knew? I thought that we were done with WINTER and were going to see some nice warm Spring weather and no more SNOWSTORMS? Ya right – keep the COLD and SNOW rocking and rolling till April. It is a great day outside currently. I love the temperatures and the fact that it is SNOWING baby!

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Sorry – it’s NOT nice out there. I was out in a “graupel blizzard” for 45 minutes…LOL! Cold, damp wind and of course the snow/graupel isn’t lasting for a second once it hits ground.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        This is just the start of a very COLD and SNOWY stretch of weather! I love it!

  7. Brian(Grandville) says:

    By reading the latest NWS area discussion, next weeks storm could be significant, considering the merging of the jet streams. Being that it’s now only a week out, this will definitely by one to track.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Oh ya – get ready for a major SNOWSTORM in mid March! I love it when the warm weather nuts are wrong again!

      1. Rumrunner says:

        Like the 3 inches you said you were gonna get by Wednesday. Constantly wrong. You should change your name again.

        1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

          Its possible we could get an inch or two tonight….
          SlimJim

        2. Rumrunner says:

          Yeah. It might start to stick. However, he called for 3.1. Flurries and “a possible inch” isn’t even close.

        3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Just the facts. Face it – it’s WINTER and we will be seeing plenty of COLD and SNOW! Get used to it!!!

        4. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

          Kalamazoo County did receive around an inch this morning, and another 1-2″ is possible tonight.

        5. Deb says:

          Rocky…it’s March in Michigan, yes it will get cold, yes it may snow, but it’s MARCH. You can start kissing your big snow chances good bye! When and IF we do get more snow it will be gone again in a day or 2. Face the fact, your chances for cold and snow are getting smaller by the day and warmth will start to take hold within the next 15 days….get out enjoy and shut up!

        6. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          fixxxer go back under your rock!

    2. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      I guess it all depends on witch NWS discussion one reads and how much one wants to put into that discussion….While its still up in the air as to what will (or will not) happen there seems to be more model wavering on this system now with both the GFS and now the 12/12Z ECMWF has now back off on the strength of the system so as always time will tell…..Heck by Monday it could be just a weak system well to our south…..One thing that still looks good is March will for the most part be below average temp wise….
      SlimJim

  8. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    32° with off and on snow flurries here in Walker…..
    SlimJim

  9. Rumrunner says:

    I have to tell you guys and gals. I’m a big fan of our 4 seasons. I like this normal transition to spring. Looking forward to digging up the front lawn and putting in a garden this year.

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Yes, normal transitions are good. Although I know of at least one person on here that would totally disagree.

  10. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Hey has anyone noticed that it is still WINTER and that it is COLD outside and that it is SNOWING currently? Imagine that! We are still in a cold and snowy pattern. Simply amazing! The weekend clipper looks great for accumulating SNOW! The current 18Z RDB model shows 2-4 inches for Grand Rapids!! How could it be?

  11. Rodey (Rockford) says:

    Fantastic. Has anyone noticed all of the signs of spring. Just slightly cooler than average. We are right on track for a great spring. I love it. The weekend clipper might drop a little snow. The JOKE model shows 1 inch. Spring is here. I will be out out all week doing things outside. Get used to it people, etc. etc. etc!!!!!!!!!

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Thank you fixxxer. Imitation is the highest form of flattery! I appreciate the kind words. Keep up the good work. COLD and SNOW Rocks and we have a TON of WINTER weather left. Get ready baby!!

      1. Deb says:

        Did any one else notice Rocky just had a total conversation all by himself…Rocky….Rodney…Really you need to be more original then that Rocky…At least change the city your from..

        1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Nice try fixxxer – we all know that you have about 10 names! Too funny!!

        2. Deb says:

          Nice try ROCKY/RODNEY..but I’m far from Fixxer, although I will have to say you guys are much too hard on him, but you better get to bed 6th grade starts early I hear…

  12. Nathan says:

    Bill, why is the eight day forecast replaced by an advertisement? I know you guys want some $$$$, but whats the point of visiting the site if the information is gone? Im sure Laura did the deed,

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        fixxxers distant cousins were from Mars!

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        Someone once asked me if there was intelligent life in outer space. I said, “We haven’t determined if there is intelligent life in Washington D.C.”.

        1. Brad says:

          You’re quite right- look at the Republican Party! A majority of GOP Congressmen think the earth is less than 12,000 years old!

        2. Nathan says:

          Haha:p

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Prove that statement, Brad.

        4. Brad says:

          I don’t think the GOP put up a single presidential candidate who isn’t a creationist, although Jon Huntsman had the gall to suggest he accepts the concept of evolution. Troglodytes.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          That’s your response? You said, “…look at the Republican Party! A majority of GOP Congressmen think the earth is less than 12,000 years old!”

          And you respond “…I don’t think the GOP put up a single presidential candidate who isn’t a creationist.”

          Aside from the fact that not all creationists believe the Earth is 12,000 years old and that it’s a small minority who believe that life came to present reality solely by random chance, what you “think” is not relevant unless you can support your position with substantiated (peer-reviewed?) fact.

          Once again, can you prove your statement, “”…look at the Republican Party! A majority of GOP Congressmen think the earth is less than 12,000 years old!”? Do you have anything to back up your allegation?

        6. Irish coffee says:

          No “credible” evidence exists that “intelligence” somehow forms & evolves from non-intelligence…no witnesses/observation….no scientific reproduction in labs…just speculatory “theory”; certainly not meeting the standards of hard science!

  13. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    Heavy snow here with some good ole huge lake effect flakes. I’d say it’s at least an hour an hour snowfall rate.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Nice but how can that be? We are not in a WWA and everyone has clearly stated winter is over and that we will not be seeing any more accumulating SNOW! I just do not understand how this is can be happening?

      1. Nathan says:

        Rocky I said overall the pattern will be trending warmer other a few imbedded cool days! It’s getting warmer, but that doesn’t mean the snow will stop totally

    2. Brenda (Otsego) says:

      A quick inch has fallen here already.

      1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

        Very similar here.

    3. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

      inch an hour snowfall rate*

      1. Deb says:

        Is this snow tonight all Lake Effect? Funny how when I left work, in Wyoming it was snowing like crazy, I get home NE side Coit area, hardly any snow. It’s only 11 Miles from home to work I’d bet on 6-7 as a crow flys yet the difference all year in snow fall rates is crazy

        1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

          It’s a hybrid of lake enhanced and lake effect. You can see the light to moderate snow over Wisconsin, and moderate to heavy snow on our side of the lake.

        2. Deb says:

          Thanks Travis.

        3. Matt (Spring Lake) says:

          Hence why Allegan county, as always, is getting slammed by the lake…

  14. Nathan says:

    Bill I went golfing in the snow today! I failed miserably hitting my 9 iron but I slammed my hybrid all the way to the green… Unpredictable results! My golfing instructor knows you but I have no idea what his name is, I’ll ask him next week

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Then what do you call him ? Sir, man, dude, bro.

      1. Jack says:

        Hey, Brian. I think I found His INSTRUCTOR!!! Here : http://www.chevychasecentral.com/caddyshack/caddy005.jpg. LOLOL. ;)

        1. Brian(Grandville) says:

          That would explain the 9 iron issues. Used to be the best part of my golf game, and now is the worst. It’s always something.

        2. Jack says:

          I used to Golf. It’s a Frustrating Game. That is 4 Sure.! ;-)

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          I play military golf…I go left, right, left, right, left right. My divots are so big the course makes me take along a fork lift and four carpet layers. I use green golf balls because they show up better in the sand. I’m so bad off the tee that the course makes me take along a “designated driver”. I’m so bad at golf, I get excited when I get a hole-in-six.

        4. Jack says:

          Bill: Roflmao…. Hilarious !!!!! Surprised they still , Let You GOLF !!! ;-)

        5. Jack says:

          OH, BILLY, Billy…. Sorry could NOT….Help Myself..Lol… http://www.hark.com/clips/phctptsymj-dont-let-me-down-billy. ;-)

  15. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    Hello 90″ snowfall club!(If there were a such thing)

  16. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    We received 2.8″ yesterday (Tuesday), 2.3″ of that coming from 8PM to midnight. That puts my season total up to 91.45″, and it’s still snowing light to moderately right now.

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Imagine if winter decided to start in mid November. You might be pushing 150″ for the season. I’m sure it will happen again sometime soon in your location.

      1. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

        I thought that way too, but just think if the 2nd half of winter would have just been “normal”. I’d be at about 50-60″ total since we had record snowfall during a 40-day stretch. Just a weird winter overall anyway you put it though.

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