Lots of snow left in the U.S.

March 27th, 2013 at 12:16 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

nohrsc   nohrsc 2012  Click the images to enlarge.  The graphic on the left is snow cover across the U.S. today.  According to NOHRSC (National Operational Hydrologic
Remote Sensing Center
), 39.3% of the U.S. has a snow cover, with an average depth of 5.2″.  The graphic on the right is one year ago (3/27/12), when we had only 8.6% of the U.S. with a snow cover.  This year, there is a solid snow cover north of U.S. 10 ( snow cover this (Weds.) morning:  8″ at Houghton Lake and Cadillac, 9″ at Traverse City, 14″ at Kalkaska and 15″ at Gaylord.  Snow cover is anywhere from 7″ to 51″ across the U.P.  So when we have north or northwest winds, the air will be cool, coming off the snow cover.  Lake Michigan and the inland lakes are also cooler than last year.   The satellite loop shows cumulus clouds developing as temperatures warm (it’s noon as I write this).  Dry and pleasant thru Saturday, rain showers Saturday night could linger into Easter Sunday AM – cooler than average next week.    CHECK OUT the Great Lakes Current Map.

It’s been cold and snowy in Alaska.  Early morning temperatures included -24 at Fairbanks (the last week was 9.3 deg. colder than average in Fairbanks), -28 at McGrath (where they have 31″ of snow on the ground.  They had a record -30 Tue. AM) and +1 at Anchorage (with 26″ of snow on the ground – they had a record daily snowfall on Sunday).  Valdez had 16.8″ of snow last Saturday.  They have 62″ of snow on the ground.   King Salmon AK broke their record low temperature Tue. by 7 degreesBarrow had a daily record snowfall on Tue.

131 Responses to “Lots of snow left in the U.S.”

  1. Judy says:

    So with all the cold weather here and in Europe and Asia (and even Africa)….is there anyplace that is having abnormally hot weather?

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Definitely, yes. I don’t know if this link will work for you: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom.png (it’s a fee-based site. It automatically recognizes my IP and puts me into the site). The map here snows global temperature anomaly and the world is actually warmer than average for this month (NASA satellite data). The Arctic, NE Canada, much of China west to the Sahara and more than half of Australia have been warmer than average. The cold has been centered over much of N. America, Europe east to Siberia.

    2. big Daddy BC says:

      Weatherbell is a the site of a right-wing activist that shows up on Rush Limbaugh. Try this:


      1. Jay says:

        bDBC: As I prefer to think for myself, I clicked both links. Guess what? They showed nearly identical data; though Weatherbell’s graphics were more eye-pleasing. As for the publisher being a right-wing activist; is that what you label everyone who disagrees with you?

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Yeah, that’s what he does. Weatherbell is a weather site, no politics. Rush mentioned Dr. Maue once. Dr. Maue, to the best of my knowledge, has never been on the show. Here’s a bio for Dr. Ryan N. Maue: http://www.weatherbell.com/team-bio/#Dr.%20Ryan%20N.%20Maue

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          HA! So, I’m right! Maue never was a “frequent guest” on the Limbaugh Show. Limbaugh was just reading the website that Dr. Maue (and Dr. Bob Hart) ran down at Florida State. Here’s a list of Dr. Hart’s publications: http://www.met.fsu.edu/index.pl/personnel/faculty/hart (including several with Dr. Maue) Check out some of Dr. Hart’s (FSU) web pages: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/~rhart/web.php

          It’s still cold in Europe: http://coolwx.com/record/ There’s sure a LOT of snow in the Northern Hemisphere…a LOT: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/



        3. big Daddy BC says:

          I didn’t say he was a regular guest. I said he showed up on Rush Limbaugh and supported that with a link to Rush Limbaugh’s page. Maue is also all over the right-wing blogosphere. He’s not anyone big enough to merit regular visits to Limbaugh’s show. He’s an ideologue with an agenda like yourself. Google him and see.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Limbaugh mentioned him once. Besides Maue’s got a PH.D. You haven’t proven that you have a GE.D. much less any credible education in meteorology or climatology. You can’t challenge the data, so you practice the politics of personal destruction.

          Bottom line – Global temperatures are flat:


          Even Hansen admits global temperatures are flat: “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. are falling: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UVZfRTfou3M

          Public support for “global warming” hysteria is falling: http://www.gallup.com/poll/161486/far-fewer-say-temperatures-warmer-usual.aspx

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          PhD or not, he’s a political activist who also works in climate science. He’s proven his bias just like Bastardi and Exxon-Spencer. There are enough good scientists out there to use. Why does the denier camp have to use biased stooges and uneducated blogmasters to support their position.

          If the science is there, why can’t you find it, Sherlock??

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          You’re a political activist! Maue has a Ph.D. You won’t even say if you’ve completed high school. All you do is slander. I’ve got science, data and fact on my side:



          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2PGmgnqnW

          Say “NO” to climate boondoggles and tax-money wasters like Solyndra and LG Chem! Say “NO” to climate profiteers. Say “NO” to “skyrocketing” utility rates and $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline prices!!

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        Plus – my link is for March and BigDaddy’s link is for February, so he’s pulling a bait and switch. His link for February is actually pretty good. Throw in a fairly cool Antarctica and the map from NCDC looks pretty identical to the FEBRUARY map from Weatherbell: http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom_022013.png

      3. Dan says:

        SNAP! Oops, Big Daddy was exposed once again! WOW, he must be bored. He is usually a little better than this. What is the matter Big Daddy? The cooler weather got you down? Ok, now take a look a careful look at your post. Please, Big Daddy. You need to consider how this kind of stuff makes you appear.

      4. big Daddy BC says:

        No, Jay. That’s what I call activists. Activists are people who engage in efforts to promote, impede, or direct social, political, economic, or environmental change, or stasis. Dr. Maue is a an activist who appears on right-wing radio shows and is an active blogger. I’m not saying he’s not a credible scientist, but I’d view anything produced by him (or Bill Steffen) with a healthy dose of skepticism.

        No bait and switch intended, by the way. March isn’t available at NOAA. We’ll all see it when they release it. Glad you like the February Map though.

        Dan, you have an IQ below 80. Put your football helmet back on before your mom sees. Idiot.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          You have no clue about Dr. Maue and your definition of an activist fits you perfectly. Of course, Dr. Maue is contributing to science (director of modeling at WeatherBell). You are just writing political rants on a local weather blog. Of course, you have no science credentials. Here’s the current March North American Temperature Anomaly Map (this is NASA IR DATA): http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_noram_t2m_anom.png WOW the continent is at 1.482 deg. C cooler than average…that’s a big deviation from average! Look at the corridor of extreme cold from Alaska to Cuba! Havana didn’t even get above 70 on Weds.

          North American snow cover is much higher than average: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_usa.gif

          Asian snow cover is much higher than average: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif

          Arctic ice extent significantly greater than 6 years ago: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/images/sea_ice_only.jpg

          Antarctic icecap has grown a lot in the past year and is at a near record extent: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          The difference is that I’m not masquerading as a climatologist or meteorologist. You’re dishonest as is Maue because you error on the side of your ideologies. A good piece of evidence for this is the long string of threads you’ve published in the last week of so with ‘cold’ in the title. Unsuspecting readers might think a new ice age is upon us. It’s a lie.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          You have NO credentials in weather or climate. You’re a special-interest shill. The evidence is CLEAR that global temperatures have been flat for the past decade and the climate models that predicted a large climb in temperatures over the past decade were wrong (“hopefully flawed” as Professor Judith Curry said).

          I NEVER said that “a new ice age was upon us”. In fact, I responded to a comment that global temperatures were almost exactly average for March 2013 just as I said in March 2012 that global temperatures were almost exactly average. The contiguous U.S. is less than 2% of the Earth’s surface. However, the weather news in the U.S. and Europe has been the extreme cold and snow. It’s going to break in about a week and we’ll flip to significantly warmer.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Explain how we keep getting twelve month spans that are hotter than any year on record. Nature is not limited by the calendar, Magoo. Calendars are man-made. Last July was the hottest the northern hemisphere has on record. That doesn’t jive with your stagnation theory. This summer in Australia was their hottest on record. Last summer was our hottest. Last year the arctic melted to a new record, once again, no flat line there. Last March was the hottest deviation from normal in history! You have nothing but Fox News talking points. What a shame.


        5. Bill Steffen says:

          Global temperatures are NOT going up. They are steady…flat…have been for over 10 years and this March isn’t helping your cause.


          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade….” – James Hansen et al.


          We’re 10 days past Southern Hemisphere summer and it’s already pushing -100F in Antarctica. http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          Please respond to my response rather than cutting and pasting the same rhetoric. You look stupid to anyone following.

        7. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          Hey Bill take a look at these graphs. Not good for the warmists.


        8. big Daddy BC says:

          Speaking of stupid, here’s Robert. LOL

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          Great response bigD – heavy on science, fact and data…impeccable reasoning, not to mention politeness. LOL!

        10. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          Hey bDBC I am here to educate you so try reading this and learn something. Thanks for your time.


      5. Robert (Plainwell) says:

        First 3 months combined below average temp wise. bDBC the northern hemisphere is starting to feel the effects of the cold PDO. The CO2 theory will be put to bed as the AMO goes cold in the coming decade.


        1. big Daddy BC says:

          I’d love it if you were right. Unfortunately what you haven’t considered is that these oscillations are also affected by a warming atmosphere. Oops.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Carbon Dioxide is not driving ocean oscillations.

          Back to the collapse of your alarmism. Global temperatures are flat…steady for over a decade:


          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade….” – James Hansen et al.


        3. big Daddy BC says:

          The WMO says otherwise.


          “The decade 2001-2010 was the warmest since records began in 1850, with global land and sea surface temperatures estimated at 0.46°C above the long-term average (1961-1990) of 14.0°C. Nine of these years were among the ten warmest on record.”

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          My data is a year ahead of the WMO release, which is based on data that is now 3 years old. There is no disputing that global temperatures are flat…that the IPCC computer models are wrong (“deeply flawed” is how Dr. Judith Curry put it) and that even Hansen has had to admit the obvious:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade….” – James Hansen et al.

          This just out last week:


        5. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          little man bc prove that the atmosphere warming affects the ocean oscillations. I think you mean the oscillations affect the atmospheric patterns.

        6. big Daddy BC says:


          There are a lot of big words in there, Robert, so get yourself a dictionary and have a go.

          “The research team found the variability of the NAO decade-to-decade (multi-decadal scale) has been larger, swinging more wildly, during the late twentieth century than in the early 1800s, suggesting that variability is linked to the mean temperature of the Northern Hemisphere. This confirms variability previously reported in past terrestrial reconstructions.”

          Uh-oh spaghetti-o-s! LOL

        7. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          Earth’s atmosphere today contains about 380 ppm CO2 (0.038%). Compared to former geologic times, our present atmosphere, like the Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished! In the last 600 million years of Earth’s history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.


          oh noes help us from frying.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          Boy, nice gig…tooling around sunshiny Bermuda in a boat. I wonder if the grant $$ would stop if they came to a different conclusion. I would think it would be very difficult to construct climate history of the whole North Atlantic from a piece of coral in Bermuda…but they do say:

          “Anthropogenic (human-related) warming does not appear to be altering whether the NAO is in a positive or negative phase at multi-decadal time scales,” said WHOI paleoclimatologist Konrad Hughen.

          The truth is that global temperatures are NOT rising rapidly now…they’ve been steady for 10 years:



          From the above article, this from Dr. Judith Curry: “‘A note to defenders of the idea that the planet has been warming for the past 16 years. Raise the level of your game. Nothing in the Met Office’s statement .  .  . effectively refutes Mr Rose’s argument that there has been no increase in the global average surface temperature for the past 16 years.

          ‘Use this as an opportunity to communicate honestly with the public about what we know and what we don’t know about climate change. Take a lesson from other scientists who acknowledge the “pause”.’

          The Met Office now confirms on its climate blog that no significant warming has occurred recently: ‘We agree with Mr Rose that there has only been a very small amount of warming in the 21st Century.’

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Can you tell us the difference between temperature and internal energy? I’ve asked you this before, many times. Do you understand what these professionals are saying or are you just ignorant enough to be dangerous?

          Do you understand that the enthalpy of water is eighty times that of its specific heat? It requires that much more energy to go from 100 to 101 degrees than from 99 to 100. The increase in humidity is masking heat absorption, BIG TIME. Temperature will not necessarily increase as energy absorption increases. THIS IS FACT!

          And that’s the problem with your elementary presentation of the FOX NEWS version of science. The slope isn’t smooth. IT CAN’T BE and no one’s denying that. Your assumptions are all based on a smooth increase. The details are there, melting glaciers, melting poles, shorter winters, increases in droughts, WARMER LOWS, odd temperature spikes, oddly hot months and spells, strange weather events, and a radical change in biogeography.

          You’re like a squirrel marveling about the traffic as it passes under his tree. You can’t possibly explain the way the combustion engine works. It’s beyond you. Give it up or go back to college. Stick to youtube sing-a-longs.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          It takes a lot more energy to change the water temperature of the water in an ocean (be it from 70 to 71 or from 100 to 101 degrees) than the air over land. That, plus the smaller geographic area of the poles vs. the tropics is why under a global warming scenario, the poles would warm up faster and that the temperature increase would be greater at the poles than at the Equator.

          Again, look at the water temperatures of the oceans today: http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2013/anomnight.3.28.2013.gif Bermuda’s water is cooler than average. That’s not representative of much of the Northern Atlantic. Ocean temperatures are slow to change and can remain anomalously cool or warm for decades. You cannot imagine what a completed jigsaw puzzle would look like by looking at one piece.

          This is an impediment to the climate profiteers claim that there would be many more and more severe storms with global warming. With the temperature difference between the poles and the Equator minimized, winds at the surface and aloft would be weaker. Note that surface winds and winds aloft are generally weaker in the summer, when the temperature difference between the poles and the Equator is smaller. Hurricanes are a means of transferring from the Tropics to the Poles. There could very well be fewer hurricanes under a global warming scenario…and like the summer, there would be fewer significant low pressure centers.

          There is no evidence that the humidity of the Earth has increased significantly because of CO2. Aren’t you the one always citing the drought (which is no where near as bad as it was in the 1930s and is NOT caused by “global warming”). Regional humidity has increased a little because of agriculture, watering our lawns, building reservoirs, etc. That’s man-made, but not related to CO2.

          I bring you back to the most important piece of data/fact today. That is…global temperatures are not going up. They’ve been steady for over 10 years. The IPCC computer models are failing and everyone knows that. James Hansen knows that. Phil Jones knows that. Kevin Trenberth knows that. We have to stop wasting money on boondoggles like this: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Volt-no-jolt-LG-Chem-employees-idle and this: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house You and the rest of climate profiteers need to be minimized and the billions in waste need to be redirected to that actually help people.

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          Your first sentence is exactly right. You nailed it. But think about what that means. It means that water, like an energy sponge, is absorbing all that extra energy. That which is vaporized into humidity isn’t condensing because it isn’t getting cool enough to hit the dew point. Humidity IS up. So what’s happening is that water’s being redistributed differently than in the past. More than half our country’s in a drought that started back in 2010 and our climate margins have been pushed yet again. That’s the definition of climate change.

          As far as ice goes, you continually make the outrageous claim that ice is on the increase in the south, despite record lows in the north, when you know that’s not true. Sea ice is NOT land ice and it’s the land ice (glaciers) that are disappearing at an alarming rate. Have a look at this NASA graphic. It clearly shows that despite an increase in sea ice – which they’ve attributed to increases in humidity – glacial ice is vanishing.


          One final point about your flat line hypothesis. I know it’s fun to take quotes from scientists out of context and rearrange their meanings, but it’s dishonest. Temperature increases are not smooth, like I said above. The slope is varied for a number of reasons. Hansen and every other climate scientist on Earth knows this. What we need be concerned with isn’t so much temperature – one way to measure energy – but the effects of this increase. Again, nature doesn’t care about calendars. We’ve just completed ANOTHER of the hottest consecutive twelve month periods in history. Twelve months makes a year. Hottest summers, hottest months, 337 consecutive months above normal, third year of drought, lake levels at record lows, Arctic ice at record low, changes in biogeography…and the list goes on and on and on.

          Don’t forget that the tax payers also have to pay to dig these drought stricken states out from under the debt they accumulate when their cattle die and crops dry up. Frankly, I’d rather see us make the tough choices now rather than later. It’s the responsible, moral thing to do. Again, the long term needs of our society should usurp the short term goals of the wealthy elite. Just ask the Catholic church.


        12. Bill Steffen says:

          Humidity is NOT up! We keep track of dew points for absolute humidity and also relative humidity. We know that dew points have risen slightly due to agriculture (the Midwest is now planted in corn and soybeans and each of those plants transpires lots of water into the air) and irrigation.

          You come on here every week talking about drought and dry weather. You can’t have it both ways…actually, you can’t have it either way!

          The drought is NOT caused by carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Here’s the State Climatologist of Texas, Dr. John Nielsen-Gammon: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.” Link to the quote: http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=5113

          The drought was much worse in the 1930s: http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/env/drought/1934in.gif Despite the drought last summer, the corn crop was bigger than any corn crop prior to 1996.

          From Professor Matt King, Univ. of Tasmania: “GRACE has been used to determine Antarctica’s contribution to sea-level change several times before. But our estimate is a significant revision to previous studies which suggested a 2-3 times higher rate of mass loss. The reason for the difference highlights the difficulty of working with GRACE…” The challenge with GRACE is that it doesn’t measure changes in ice mass after all.”

          The “wealthy elite” are you guys: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/al-gore-mitt-romney_n_2432534.html

          The middle class doesn’t want your “skyrocketing” utility costs and $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline prices.

          This is not “taken out of context”: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          Global temperatures have been flat for a decade. You can’t use a “trick” to “hide the decline”.

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          There’s been lots of work done here. Deny it if you like, but it’s getting more humid. Climatologists have observed a rise of more than 2.5% in the last three decades. You’re wrong again.

          “Gillett and his team studied existing measurements of atmospheric humidity from 1973 to 2002, recorded by a network of land-based stations as well as ships, buoys and marine platforms. Over this period the humidity in the lower atmosphere rose by an average of 0.07 grams per kilogram of air worldwide. This is in line with what would be expected in a warming world — air can absorb roughly 6-7% more moisture for every 1 °C rise in temperature.”
          This was from back in ’07, Nature. I’m not aware of any studies that contradict Gillett’s findings. In fact, my guess is that this number is probably much higher now, considering the trend. http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071010/full/news.2007.158.html

          Fear mongering about gas prices again? …AND after your governor, Snyder, proposed raising fuel taxes by 19 cents a gallon!!! Did Granholm do that? Did Obama? No, sir. Your boy, Snyder and his rich friends not only want more corporate welfare from the middle class, but new roads too! This is heartbreaking, considering the slide into poverty our middle class has endured at the hands of the corporate GOP. We can’t afford these policies!


        14. Bill Steffen says:

          His study conveniently starts in 1973, the coldest and driest decade of the 20th century and conveniently ends in 2002, when global temperatures STOPPED rising:


          Note how you can force a preconceived conclusion by picking the “right” start and stop points on a graph: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/01/25/january-temp-by-decade/

          Despite that he still gets a meager 0.07 grams per kilogram of air. I wonder if that’s within the margin of error. I’d also like to see what stations he used to come up with the figure. In any event, if that’s all he found going from 1973 to 2002, it’s meaningless.

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          A 2.5% increase IS significant. You can’t claim ignorant and then in the same breath draw a conclusion. What the heck is that? Any rise is significant when you consider the incredible volume of air we’re dealing with.

          So now you’re claiming that the ’70s were colder AND drier. How about the sixties, fifties? You have NO idea and no data to support your claim. Fact is, as the temp goes up, the atmosphere’s ability to draw moisture goes up. If the atmosphere isn’t getting cold enough, we never hit the dew point and we get less rain. The mechanism simple, and the result is an increase in droughts. And that’s exactly what’s what we’re seeing.

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          Do the math again. That’s 0.07 gram per kilogram.

          Global temperatures are NOT going up. They’ve been flat for over 10 years. Look at the data! The amount of humidity in the air has increased regionally because of land use (agriculture) and irrigation, not because of CO2.

          And once again, the drought is NOT caused by CO2 or “climate change”. This is from the Texas State Climatologist:

          “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.”

      6. Robert (Plainwell) says:

        Lots of cold records broken this past week in the US.


      7. Bill Steffen says:

        Prove that Maue has “appeared on a right wing radio show” even once, bigD! I think Limbaugh mentioned him once. He didn’t “appear” that I know of. He’s got a Ph.D. You haven’t offered even a GED! There’s no way they can fudge March into a warmer than average month! Even if they include Hawaii (Honolulu is 1.3 deg. colder than avg. for March) and Alaska (which has been unseasonably cold this week and last).

        1. Dan says:

          Jay if you read Big Daddy’s post, he is implying that he is an activist. Yeah, a person who parades on the blog claiming that he is right. You nailed him earlier in your reply to him. He thinks everyone that doesn’t agree with him is wrong. I’m not making it up. Look at his posts. Also, take note at how he replies when he is challenged. He resorts to name calling time and time again. It really does make you wonder, if most don’t believe him here, why does he continue?

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Let’s evaluate the statement, “He thinks that everyone that doesn’t agree with him is wrong.” Does it pass the logic test? By wrong, do you mean incorrect? …Or do you mean wrong in the moral sense? The reason I ask is because in science, the word wrong would imply that one might not have data/evidence to support their opinion. In that case, yes, you’re wrong about climate change, dead wrong. If you mean morally wrong, I’d have to say YEAH, you ARE acting immorally by putting your short term goals (finances) ahead of what’s best for your children (a clean world to raise their families in.) So in conclusion, you’re both scientifically AND morally wrong. I suppose that makes you a foolish sinner.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Wrong on all counts…wrong on the data/facts – wrong on the interpretation of the data/facts (the preconceived political outcome determines the interpretation) and wrong on morals grounds…forcing the poor and middle class to pay “skyrocketing” utility bills and $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline prices.

          Wrong on all counts.

          Global temperatures are flat!!


        4. big Daddy BC says:

          When the short term goals of the elite supersede the needs of the populous, societies collapse. Look what GWB and his GOP majority almost did to our nation.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          “the short term goals of the elite supersede the needs of the populous” That’s exactly why we need to stop the elite (the special interests) from forcing “skyrocketing” utility rates and $9 a gallon European level gasoline prices on the poor and middle class.

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          What special interest group are you referring to? I’m not aware of any special interest group that’s lobbying anyone for an increase in gas prices, unless you count Governor Snyder and his efforts to raise Michigan gas taxes by 19 cents a gallon. Support your claims or shut up.

        7. Bill Steffen says:


          “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,” Mr. Chu, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in September.

          Chu is our Energy Secretary. He doesn’t own a car, he gets chauffeured around.

          I don’t support “skyrocketing” utility bills or $9 a gallon “European level” gasoline prices. The poor and middle class don’t support that either. It would destroy the economy, cost tens of thousands of jobs and do nothing to move global temperature even 1/10th of a degree.

        8. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          The title of this reminds me of bDBC.


        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Nice piece of propaganda considering your GOP nerd boy, Snyder is trying to raise the gas tax in Michigan by 19 cents per gallon!! You republicans are such hypocrites.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          BigD – you didn’t even watch the video. I know, why bother, you can’t refute the scientists and their data. It’s probably beyond you anyway. You have no credentials in weather or climate.

          Global temperatures are flat and public support for climate profiteering is sinkin’ like the 2008 Detroit Lions: http://www.gallup.com/poll/161486/far-fewer-say-temperatures-warmer-usual.aspx

        11. Robert (Plainwell) says:

          Oh bdbc I voted for Obama but you keep spewing your political views and just remember if you are so worried about CO2 maybe you should stay off your computer.

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          I love that Bill continually tries to remind anyone that’s reading that I haven’t presented any scientific credentials, as if his are the one’s we should trust. Hilarious. Bill, you’re a broadcast met, nothing more. You aren’t a physical met. You aren’t a climatologist. You haven’t published a single thing and have zero college beyond that dusty old bachelors degree from forty years ago. You can’t even muster a decent seasonal forecast.

          Have a look at what this ‘fake’ climate change event is doing to songbirds.


          Robert, glad to hear that you voted for Obama, although I’m not his number one fan. I’d prefer a pres and congress that can actually work together to fix the mess Bush created. What happened to the moderates??? The middle class is sinking fast while extremists side with corporations, stealing our rights and tax dollars under the guise that a strong corporate US will fix everything. It’s B——-. We’re the one’s that need tax relief, not Dick DeVos, Walmart, and the Koch Brothers. They’re all richer than ever just like Bill Steffen.

        13. Bill Steffen says:

          Songbirds flying back SOUTH in Europe because of the extreme late season cold: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20130315-48551.html

          Here’s my winter snowfall prediction. I need 1.8″ to hit it exactly: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/12/a_winter_dumping_or_a_dusting.html

          The first sentence of the article you linked to is wrong. It says, “As the United States experiences a snow shortage…” Look here: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/02/Figure41.png

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          The graphic you linked showed surface area, not depth or water content, which is WAY down. You’re misleading the public yet again.

          As far as your predictions go, I predicted correctly, you did not. You owe me for the second winter season in a row.

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          Volume and water content is NOT “Way down”. It’s actually up. This is land based snow that we can measure. We have more than double the snow cover in the U.S. today than we had one year ago.

          You predicted global temperatures would soar…and they haven’t. Global temperatures are flat:


          Another alarmist becomes a skeptic (in Germany): http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/17/meteorologist-dominik-jung-turns-skeptical-after-germany-sets-record-5-consecutive-colder-than-normal-winters/

          ” Just a few years ago climate experts prophesied that Germany would no longer experience winters with ice and snow in the future. In the 1990s there had been an entire series of milder and stormier winters. [...] However, this trend has not been observed over the last years. To the contrary: winters have again gotten considerably colder and the huge storms like those in the 1990s have more or less disappeared. [...]. Climate experts prophesied in the year 2000 that winters with snow and ice in Germany would cease to exist.”

          Jung then presents the data for Germany’s last 4 winters and that of the current winter, and compares them to the 1980-2010 mean winter temperature, which was 0.8°C above the 1960-1990 mean.

          - 2008/2009: 1.0 °C cooler
          - 2009/2010: 2.0 °C cooler
          - 2010/2011: 1.3 °C cooler
          - 2011/2012: 0.1 °C cooler
          - 2012/2013 (so far): 0.4°C. cooler

          We should recall that whatever applies for Germany, also applies for much of Central Europe. Moreover, Jung mentions that the results are the same if you compare the five winters to the 1970 -2000 period. Jung summarizes the results:

          With the current winter, we now have 5 winters in a row that have been colder than the long-term average! Crafty scientists at first explained that climate warming was just taking a timeout. Strangely, this timeout has now been going on for 5 years without interruption. Accordingly things have gotten very quiet in the climate warming debate.”

      8. Irish coffee says:

        Backstory/history: 15 – 20 years ago…leading into early 2000′s a vast majority of climate scientists espousing AGW theory posited that man-induced CO2 (CARBON-based/fossil fuel use ) would only serve to increase global temps. at ever higher rate inversely related to ppm co2 output ala “greenhouse effect”.When it became increasingly clear that unabated increases in temp. were NOT occurring as planned…names started changing to PC terminology(see:”climate change”) & goal posts were moved to accomodate changes in real vs. projected data. I propose feedback factors + other atmospheric variables (including solar) are NOT fully understood….i suspect in 50-100 years we will have a better understanding of these forcing mechanisms and won’t be subject to “best guesses” approach of current theory.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          Well put, Irish, if totally wrong. First, climate changing events like droughts and hurricanes that occur as a result of a warmer atmosphere, ocean, and land are appropriately named. Second, it is getting warmer. No legitimate climatologists dispute the fact that we haven’t had a month at or below average since the ’70s, that freak events like Sandy are on the increase, that droughts are increasing, that winters are shorter, and that glaciers are disappearing at an alarming rate. FOX News has done it’s job well on you. I’d suggest you put a little less whiskey in that coffee and pick up a periodical now and then.


        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Ha! We’re back to “Ted” – the guy who opens his “broadcasts” with the pictures of Al Gore! Antarctic ice: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png It’s waaaay above average extent and way above last year!!! And it’s been growing for 25 years! http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png Wow! Almost to a standard deviation above average and it’s still MARCH!!

          Here’s the Arctic icecap: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/images/sea_ice_only.jpg More ice than 6 years ago.

          Look at all the snow across North America: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_usa.gif A nearly 100% snowcover across Canada.

          Record cold in Florida this AM: 32 in Gainesville! Wow! And record cold in Alaska. And the entire country is 1 degree C colder than average for March! Better go cut some more firewood, Big D – another Arctic front coming for Monday!

          Sandy was a minimal hurricane that was only a major event because 1) It occurred at high tide 2) People build to within a couple feet of high tide and don’t want a sea wall to block the view 3) They did heed the warnings and leave

          NOAA meteorologist Martin Hoerling attributes of Sandy to “little more than the coincidental alignment of a tropical storm with an extratropical storm”. The storm was classified non-tropical an hour before landfall.



          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade….”

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Ted isn’t a guy, it’s a non-profit. Holy smokes! LOL


          Again, sea ice cannot be airlifted and stuck on the face of a receding glacier. I realize you haven’t been in college since the late fifties, but you did have a science class didn’t you??

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Ted the non-prophet opens his program with pictures of Al Gore! Wonder if Al is paying Ted some of that oil money from Qatar! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/current-staffers-al-gore-al-jazeera_n_2432512.html


          Antarctic ice: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png It’s waaaay above average extent and way above last year!!! And it’s been growing for 25 years! http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png Wow! Almost to a standard deviation above average and it’s still MARCH!!

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Ted isn’t a guy, Magoo. It’s a nonprofit. Maybe we can glue some of that Antarctic sea ice, which has been proven to be the RESULT of climate change to this melting Peruvian glacier.


          “Peru’s Quelccaya ice cap is the largest in the tropics. If it continues to melt at its current rate—contracting more than 600 feet (182.8 meters) a year in some places—it will be gone by 2100, leaving thousands who rely on its water for drinking and electricity high, dry, and in the dark.”
          National Geographic

        6. Brad says:

          Bill attended college?

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          Like I said, Ted’s a non-prophet. Not like Al – he’s all about profit. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/current-staffers-al-gore-al-jazeera_n_2432512.html

          The largest icecap on Earth is growing…and has been for 25 years: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png It’s waaaay above average extent and way above last year!!! And it’s been growing for 25 years! http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          Double major, Univ. of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Physical Geography on a full-ride scholarship. 35 on my Math ACT, 723 on the SAT.

        8. Brad says:

          LOL! Prove it, Bill.

        9. Bill Steffen says:

          Prove my ACT and SAT scores? I might still have a copy in the basement. Send me your address and when and if I find one or the other I’ll send you a photocopy (I’ll have to charge you for the photocopy, stamp and envelope…I’m not the government).

        10. big Daddy BC says:

          No one cares about your ACT scores from the 1950s. They sure haven’t helped you do seasonal forecasts. I’ve beaten you EVERY time. Give us a break! LOL

        11. Bill Steffen says:

          You get so much wrong. If I was a student of yours, I’d ask for my money back! I graduated high school in 1969, not the 1950s. You don’t beat me every time: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/12/a_winter_dumping_or_a_dusting.html I’ve got to get another inch, very doable.

        12. big Daddy BC says:

          Actually, you are a student of mine. I’ve been schooling you for a couple years now. Sorry I got your test date wrong. I would never have guessed you were a child of the ’60s. Hippies everywhere are shuddering.

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          Again, I feel like that lady on the old Wendy’s commercial, but instead of “Where’s the beef,” it’s Where’s the science? It’s funny that you try to debate a scientific topic with nothing but hearsay and rhetoric. You’re ridiculous.

          Here’s one of the latest victims of climate change:


        14. Bill Steffen says:

          The first sentence of the article you linked to is wrong. It says, “As the United States experiences a snow shortage…” Look here: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/02/Figure41.png

          Check this out: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20130315-48551.html

        15. big Daddy BC says:

          The graphic you linked showed surface area, not depth or water content, which is WAY down. You’re misleading the public again.

        16. Bill Steffen says:

          Water content? It’s ice! It might have a little penguin poop in it…not much.

          Your claim that Antarctic ice volume is shrinking is truly laughable. Look at this graph: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          The ice extent has been growing for over 25 years! It’s no melting under the continent (too cold and even if it were, it wouldn’t be related to CO2 in the atmosphere). It’s not melting under the ocean water: http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2013/anomnight.4.1.2013.gif The surface water around Antarctica is mostly colder than average and essentially at the freezing point. Any water warmer than that would rise to the surface. Antarctica has been colder than average on the whole over the past two years. That’s why the icecap continues to grow: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21692423 From the BBC article: “Bedmap2′s new figure for the volume of ice is 4.5% MORE than previously thought.”

  2. Nathan says:

    Already 4 degrees above the expected high. The NWS is underestimating the late March sun

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      41 in G.R. at noon. Yesterday I had 42 for a high for G.R., so we are one degree shy of that. I expect the temperature to head toward 45 – it’ll level off. As the air at the surface warms, we’ll develop more cloud cover (and maybe a scattered spring/snow shower) and the wind will increase. It won’t be quite that warm at the Lake Michigan shoreline by the cool water. The temperature at 12:30 PM on the beach at Muskegon is 37.

      1. Nathan says:

        Yea, I’m beginning to notice some cumulus clouds which will cut down on the afternoon heating… But still! Keep the warm air coming Bill!

  3. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Update to the Alaska boiling discussion on March 12th… how that has changed.

    Through March on March 12th:

    Anchorage +6.5°
    Fairbanks +4.9°
    Barrow +7.0°
    Kodiak +2.6°
    Nome +7.3°

    Temps as of March 27th:

    Anchorage -1.5°
    Fairbanks -3.8°
    Barrow +5.5°
    Kodiak -1.1°
    Nome -1.3°

    The temperature variations up there are crazy!

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Alaska is fun to watch, just like Florida. Crazy extremes from one day to the next… especially in the spring/fall.

  4. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Haven’t had any significant snow here in weeks. Winter’s been over, but yet it hasn’t quite yet been spring (outside of the two warm days we had two weeks ago). Stuck in the middle, but it looks like spring is coming! 50′s this weekend and maybe 60′s next weekend.

    1. Jim S.(Saugatuck Twp) says:

      What is odd is that despite the cold, there has been little snow…and even less rain. Our water levels in the channels have dropped quite a bit the last few weeks. While we hit 50 this weekend, its back to 30′s/low 40′s for next week. Terrible weather.

      1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        Extremely blah and boring the past 2 weeks. This weather has us turning into a bunch of fixxxers! ha

        Sun is nice today though. Mid to upper 40′s already in spots.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Well maybe if spring would get here and warm up we can get some storms.

  5. Nathan says:

    Bill do you ever sleep? I noticed that your blog posts today were 1 AM, 4AM, and 12PM!

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      I do keep some strange hours. I have a hard time sleeping until the overnight data run comes in. On daylight time, the Euro. is in shortly before 3 AM.

  6. Barry in Zeeland says:

    Sunshine, mid 40′s, and bare ground. Feels like we’re still in January except 10 degrees cooler.

  7. fixxxer says:

    Yes im going to complain about sickness again. 20+ people got sick at my wifes work from some dipshit who probably came in sick and was cooking. Piece of advice people, stay home if ur ill. Hoping this doesnnt hit my home again. I hear this new stomach bug packs a punch. Yet another reason we need summer here.

    1. Scott (Rockford) says:

      The temperature and cold weather has absolutely nothing to do stomach bugs and the flu!

    2. Nathan says:

      Spring break should help if your staying home!

    3. Brian (Grandville) says:

      You must not have a very weak immune system. It sems like your sick all year.

  8. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    Our dirt roads are finally drying out with the sun and wind. I think this is about the first day that our roads haven’t been covered in snow, ice, or been muddy since early January. The only exception is the tenth of a mile in front of my house where we still have snow banks on the sides of the road. Our driveway still had ice on it when I left this afternoon, but it’s extremely squishy and muddy.

  9. Michael (Berrien county) says:

    Even with temps expected to be below average over the next 6-14 days…. it still looks like very little, if any late season snows expected. Time for us snow lovers to start looking forward to next season I think. This one seems to be officially in the books for west/southwest Michigan.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      The average high is almost 50 after all.

  10. Bill Steffen says:

    I remember when people would come up to me and tell me the Russians could control the weather. I’d ask them if the Russians controlled the weather, how come Russia has the worst weather of pretty much any country in the world. Wouldn’t they bounce up those 60-below temperatures in Siberia?

    Nature (and weather) is BIG…sometimes man thinks he’s BIG…but man is really not nearly as BIG as he thinks he is.

    1. Brad says:

      Those folks are the type of people you associate with. Sad. At least you corrected them…then high-fived the birthers and flat earth society, not to mention the Holocaust deniers…

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        I get all kinds…in the 70s it was the leftist alarmists who were pushing overpopulation and massive famines that would starve tens of millions. Of course it never happened. Now it’s global warming alarmists who are pushing “skyrocketing” utility rates and $9 a gallon gasoline. Those “solutions” would kill the economy and wouldn’t budge global temperatures. Swine Flu! Y2K! Bird Flu! Global Warming! The Emperor’s New Clothes!

      2. Brad says:

        Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction! Iran! North Korea! The debt! Gay marriage! The UN! The blacks! The Mexicans! The professors! The teachers! The NEA! The EPA! The IRS! The dollar bill!

      3. Dan says:

        WOW, Brad! Do you have some issues here? Holy Smokes, you should get an appointment so that you can deal with some of this! Those folks? Hmm, last I checked the Constitution was written for all of us! Brad you should take a look at that document before you go painting people with that broad brush stroke of your keyboard!

      4. Brad says:

        The Constitution? What?

      5. Dan says:

        Yes, Brad! I referenced the Constitution because you mention, those folks as if to say you have some special rights.
        You do not. You have the same as every other American. By the way, those rights were given to us because of the tens of thousands of men and women who fought so that we could have them!
        You come across as if you have been granted other rights.
        Please read the Constitution so that you can educate yourself about what rights you have been given.

      6. Brad says:

        Good thing you’re not applying for law school. Here, try this:


  11. Jack says:

    Just a SONG, that Came to Mind . While I Read Through This Thread and the Comments. Ah,Jackson Browne. TUNE !!!! CUE:www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y3cdCt5oQ4

  12. butch says:

    the panhandle of nebraska,we have golfed many times this winter,in exceptional drought!!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      …Along with more than fifty percent of the US. But Bill says that’s ‘normal’ along with the record low lake levels and melting glaciers, so don’t worry about it. LOL


      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Lake levels are NOT at record lows – read the thread and quit lying! We’re two inches above 1964 right now and the rest of the Great Lakes are no where near record lows. The drought was MUCH worse in the 1930s: http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/env/drought/1934in.gif

        Besides the drought is NOT related to “global warming”:

        “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.” – John Nielsen-Gammon, State Climatologist of Texas

        1. big Daddy BC says:


          “Peru’s Quelccaya ice cap is the largest in the tropics. If it continues to melt at its current rate—contracting more than 600 feet (182.8 meters) a year in some places—it will be gone by 2100, leaving thousands who rely on its water for drinking and electricity high, dry, and in the dark.”
          National Geographic

        2. Brad says:

          You have to love a guy who uses a quote to defend a thesis. Classic Steffen.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Some glaciers are growing, some are retreating:



          Arctic ice extent higher than 6 years ago: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/images/sea_ice_only.jpg

          Antarctic ice: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png It’s waaaay above average extent and way above last year!!! And it’s been growing for 25 years! http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png Wow! Almost to a standard deviation above average and it’s still MARCH!!

          Here’s a quote:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Global temperatures have been steady for a decade: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          The National Socialist Party is not happy about it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC2rotlX9Js

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          It’s all rhetoric and fear mongering.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          First “Climate Nexus” is a far-left advocacy group. Second they say “could be”, which means they really don’t know. Third, this is aimed at New Jersey and the area affected by very minimal (in terms of wind speed) Hurricane Sandy. Third, precipitation was below average in March here in the Great Lakes…no indication that the pollen season would be “the worst ever” here…in fact, with above average precipitation forecast by CPC, we’d get the atmosphere “washed” a little more often than a typical string. Just more hype from climate profiteers.

          The same HuffPost Green ran this article last Sept: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/climate-change-deaths_n_1915365.html Hyperbolic nonsense. Laughable.

  13. big Daddy BC says:

    Ice Age Now is a fossil-fuel supported site produced to confuse people. Exxon spends millions every year propping up sites like that one and people like Exxon-Spencer who push propaganda and rhetoric. If you want actual data, trust real scientists and reputable institutions, not shills. The great conspiracy theory that all of the world’s scientists have gotten together to sell a lie so that liberals in every country can raise gas taxes is not supported by anyone credible anywhere. How does it feel to be a Fox News stooge that pushes the short term goals of the elite over the needs of everyone else? Even your church disagrees with you. http://catholicclimatecovenant.org/

    …so does the World Met Organization: http://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/causes_of_climate_change.php

    1. Judy says:

      Not ALL the world’s scientists have gotten together….you exaggerate greatly. It all depends upon whether they are getting global warming funds for research or whether their salary is paid for by those who are benefitting from the global warming scam. In fact there are scientists who have jumped off the global warming bandwagon. None of them deny that there is probably some climate change going on….after all climate change has been going on for millions of years….you can’t stop it.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        That’s exactly what I’m saying, Judy. All of the scientists HAVE NOT gotten together. It’s ridiculous to think so. As far as scientists jumping off the proverbial bandwagon, who do you mean? I’m sure you have someone really important in mind. Your theory that they only support climate change to get grant money would mean that climate scientists are all dishonest money-grubbers. Are you sure you aren’t talking about meteorologists?

        1. Bill Steffen says:





          From the NY TIMES:

          Dave | February 26, 2011 at 11:37 am | Reply

          “I also have to agree with Jim West. My firm ‘belief’ in AGW had already been undermined by some extremely bad papers about mosquitoes, arthropod borne disease, and the effect a warmer Earth on wildlife (I am a biologist). But, I assumed these were just opportunists jumping on the gravy train and that the problem was with the journal review process, not AGW.

          But the Climategate emails made it all too clear that there was no science at all in ALL these famous papers in Nature and other ‘prestige’ journals. Rather, all the sound and fury appeared to be generated by an unscrupulous cabal eager for grant money, fame, and lots of CO2 generating trips to warm and pleasant spots where they could regurgitate their story to a corrupted press and conniving politicians.

          As far as I can tell now, many of the assumptions of AGW appear to be false, nothing that one reads on climate change from Nature to Drudge is reliable.”

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Who’s Dave? The fact that he called those stolen emails ‘Climate Gate’ tells me he’s just another stooge. Look down the list of crap links you put up, not a single scientific source in the lot. LOL Even the World Meteorological Association agrees with the world’s scientists that climate change is occurring as a result of global warming and is being brought about anthropomorphically. There’s no controversy, only anecdotes and nit picking.


          So does the Japanese Meteorological Association: http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/ghg/info_ghg_e.html

          I do beat your seasonal forecasts every time. It’s not magic, just a little common sense. You’ve bet me twice and lost both times, although you never pay up.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Dave is a biologist. You on the other hand have no scientific background. The Climategate emails weren’t “stolen”. They were leaked by someone in the group. Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk He/she saw the manipulation of data (“use Mike’s TRICK to HIDE THE DECLINE”) and with the utmost honesty and courage decided that with so much money at stake and so much misery planned for the poor and middle class (the promise of “skyrocketing” utility rates and “European level” gasoline prices) that he/she had to bring the deception to light. I truly hope that eventually FOIA gets the acclaim well deserved for blowing the whistle on the deception.

          You’ve got old links. Even Hansen now admits that global temperatures have leveled off:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Trenberth: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

          My forecast for winter snowfall of 67″ for G.R. is lookin’ pretty good right now. http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/12/a_winter_dumping_or_a_dusting.html

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          A biologist? Why do we care about the opinion of a life scientist in a discussion of climate? You’re really grasping at straws now. My World Met Organization link isn’t old. NOAA isn’t old. NASA isn’t old. Berkeley isn’t old. The Japanese Met isn’t old.

          Hansen’s opinion seems incredibly valuable to you. He may be the most quoted man on this blog because of you. Let’s have a look see at what his opinion really is, rather than a taken-out-of-context blurb. Here he is speaking about climate change. It’s entitled, WHY I MUST SPEAK OUT ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. I think I’ll trust the words from his mouth rather than your keyboard.


          Your representation of Hansen is dishonest. What a shame you can’t debate the evidence. Seems like with those great high school test scores you were bragging about, you’d be able to, at least, muster a descent debate offensive instead of having to resort to slimy misrepresentations.

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          You’ve painted yourself into a corner. No way out. Why do we care about the opinion of a life scientist? WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINION??!! You’re not a climatologist, you’re not a meteorologist, you haven’t even given us proof that you’ve got a GE.D. What credentials do you have?

          Global temperatures have been flat for over 10 years. TEN YEARS!

          NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          Read this from Dr. Roger Pelkie, JR: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/07/noaa-explains-global-temperature.html NOAA’s giving it another five years…but they admit the slowdown. Help ‘em out BigD – help them find a way to “HIDE THE DECLINE” LOL!

          Climate alarmists are becoming skeptics in Europe: http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/home/11025-collapsing-consensus-another-german-meteorology-site-wonders-about-the-global-temperature-stagnation

          Hansen wrote the words himself:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade….” Hansen, et al.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Another interesting comment:

          Ron Block • “As an operational meteorologist with the NWS for more than 25 years, and co-located with a major meteorology university, i have had ample opportunity to work with the gamut of meteorologists and climatologists in operations, teaching and research. the global warming debate has become an oft spoken about topic “around the water cooler” and in academic exchanges. my humble opinion (in part as someone who has done long-term climate research), is that there is a wide range of opinions amongst operational meteorologists, less so with climatologists and professors. the majority of my co-workers are skeptical about attributing recent warming simply to man-made events. they are more apt to look at geologic cycles of warm and cold period and fit the current trends within this long term scenario allowing that humans may have influence on the fringes of the climatic shifts. conversely, those who teach and/or use climate or numerical modeling as the basis of their research seem more convinced that most or all of recent changes are directly man induced. one has to look beyond their explanations and filter the source. operational mets have no agenda, their careers are not dependent on seeking tenure or research grants, which are largely dependent on fitting in in a very closed culture and in singing the song of your sponsor. i.e. your department chairmen or more likely the grant bestower, usually a left leaning read:environmental entity. so in sum, yes ops mets with less direct barriers in expressing their opinion re”career advancement are more likely to look at the bigger picture and thus be more skeptical.”

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          To be honest, I’m not sure why you care so much about what I write, but you almost always answer. Why don’t you tell me why you care. LOL The fact that you continually put up non-experts for their ‘expert’ testimony is a problem. If you were in court and needed a medical expert to testify, you wouldn’t call an ornithologist, doctor or not. Sorry, Bud.

          Here are some REAL experts, not out of work biologists or uneducated blog masters. http://www.nrdc.org/about/staff/climate-change-experts.asp

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          I don’t know why you spend so much time on the old threads of a local weather blog. I care because I’m on the side of the poor and middle class. You climate alarmist/profiteers want to force “skyrocketing” utility rates and “European level” gasoline prices on the poor and middle class. It would create great hardship for the poor, middle class, minorities, those on fixed incomes, the disabled, the elderly and children. No more without budging global temperature a tenth of a degree.

          Your link, to NRDC (not to be confused with NCDC), is a far-left advocacy group. They are dependent solely on grant money and contributions from the far-left, including the “climate profiteers” would would stand to make millions if utility and energy rates were forced on the poor and middle class.

          You’re a liar and deceiver. People can see that. Unable to advance your cause with fact and logic, you resort to lies and personal attacks. Your comment above is yet another example. You claim that “Dave the biologist” is “out-of-work”. You have no evidence of that and yet you demean the poor man, because you can’t respond to his very legitimate skepticism. It’s easy for the general public to see what you right and not trust you or your “cause”.

          The main point to consider is global temperatures are steady. NASA data clearly shows that:


          Hansen admits it:

          The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Global temperatures have been flat for 10 years. Many climate models are “deeply flawed”, as Dr. Judith Curry has stated. No more money for special interest money-wasters like LG Chem and Solyndra.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          Wow. I’ve never heard anyone talk about the National Resource Defense Council. Wow! Seems like a conservative would want to conserve our resources. The Corporate GOP, in truth, doesn’t believe in conservation of any kind. Conservation means a reduction in short term profits. That’s why you support fracking. That’s why you support pipelines over alternative energy. That’s why you support giving billions in welfare to oil companies, foreign AND domestic. That’s why you’d relax every law that protects US from THEM. That’s why you deny any responsibility for deforestation, ocean acidification, climate change, erosion, or ozone reduction. That’s why you deny even your church. http://catholicclimatecovenant.org/

          Calling names and accusing me of lying, when I support every claim with data looks desperate and hollow, but that’s your choice. Go back and look at the thread. What claims have I failed to support? You asked why I come here. I’ve answered that question many times. I’m here for you, to provide an alternative explanation. I do it well and I’m sorry if that makes you look angry and foolish, but I’d stop in a heartbeat if only you would.

          Here’s a great bit of time-lapse footage that shows what’s happening to our glaciers, something you DENY is happening at all.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          You know that the NRDC is a far-left special interest that is dependent on far-left donors. I sure wish TED wouldn’t give such prominence to Al Gore – it really shoots any credibility to rely on a non-scientist politician who’s sold out to the oil industry: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/current-staffers-al-gore-al-jazeera_n_2432512.html

          Here’s the story of Balog: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/17/james-balogs-inconvenient-glacial-canaries/ Seems he’s a climate profiteer and you can see why the video he shows means little in the climate debate. I’ll add that glaciers were retreating before man added significant (if you call one part in 10,000 of the atmosphere significant) CO2 to the atmosphere.

          Again, the bottom line is that CO2 emissions are falling in the U.S. This is reprinted in the Washington Post:

          “U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide dropped to a 20-year low in July. “In a surprising turnaround, the amount of carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere in the U.S. has fallen dramatically to its lowest level in 20 years, and government officials say the biggest reason is that cheap and plentiful natural gas has led many power plant operators to switch from dirtier-burning coal. Many of the world’s leading climate scientists didn’t see the drop coming, in large part because it happened as a result of market forces rather than direct government action against carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere.” Kevin Begos in The Associated Press.”

          PS – I support pipelines AND alternative energy…remember, I have solar panels on my house…you don’t. I support the middle class. I don’t want to see their utility bills “skyrocket” and I don’t want them paying $9 a gallon for gasoline. There’s union support for the pipeline: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/10/keystone-xl-union-_n_1336533.html

          And global temperatures have not risen in over 10 years: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

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