We may not be done with snow

April 6th, 2013 at 3:17 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

gfs one   gfs two  Click the images to enlarge. These are the GFS images from the Sat. morning model run for Weds. afternoon and for April 14 evening.  The first shows that the GFS is again a touch farther south with the low on Weds. (if you’ve been reading the GRR NWS discussions, they have been predicting this for at least 4 days now) and I’ve mentioned it too.   BTW, the Sunday AM models are a touch farther north now.  It looks like a pretty good soaking from Monday to Weds., esp. south of G.R.  The European gives G.R. 2.77″ of rain by Friday midday.  We may very well get a thunderstorm in the mix, esp. south of G.R. The second shows what would likely be a little light snow.  It’s the GFS, so take it with a grain of salt…but the model is not showing a warm pattern for the Great Lakes.  Good news for fruit farmers.  The European has been quite consistent, showing a cool, soaking rain Weds.  The Euro. also has a few snow showers here late next Friday.  The warmest temperatures are this Sat. evening (close to 60) and again Tues. PM (upper 50s – could reach the 60s south of G.R. if the warm front can get thru).  The Euro. looks pretty chilly from Weds. night to at least Sat. AM.

111 Responses to “We may not be done with snow”

  1. Jack says:

    If it’s Good for The Fruit Farmers ! I guess we have to take the Bitter with the Sweet. Remember Folks BUY LOCAL ! GO- BLUE !

    1. fixxxer says:

      Sorry jack. I dont wish for crappy weather just becuase of the crops. We need some warmer weather and soon.

      When do you see this cool pattern ending bill? Your blog entry just made rockys night.

      1. Jack says:

        Fizzler..I don’t wish for Crappy weather Either. Hence the statement..take the bitter with The Sweet. Or lm looking at the glass half full, instead of half Empty. Stay cued, ye old SPORTS FAN…GO BLUE! GO TIGERS! GO WINGS! ;-)

        1. fixxxer says:

          Its fixxxer thanks! ;)

        2. Jack says:

          I know.! Fixxxer ,Freudian Slip.Maybe..speaking of Fixxxxing, Spin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vU7Qo-NlU. P.s. TIGERS WIN ! ;-)

        3. GunLakeDeb says:

          And that glass should be half-full of Michigan Apple Cider!!! YUM!!

    2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      After last year, those folks deserve a good crop.

      1. fixxxer says:

        As has been said an overly cool and snowy rainy season wont be any better.

        1. Cort S. says:

          Different crops need different weather at different times. We have generally been talking about apples and other fruit crops, which were wiped out last year after they were coaxed into blooming by the unprecedented March heat, then dealt with a hard freeze in late April. A cool early spring won’t do anything to hurt them this year, assuming we don’t heat up for a while and then crash our lows below freezing in May. It’s hard to get much worse than zero apple crop last year.

  2. fixxxer says:

    I read something on yahoo news the other day that said this cold spell and pattern should be ending by the end of the month. I sure hope their right.

  3. michael g (SE GR) says:

    The snow may not be done with us, but I am definately done with the snow! By the second week of April it’s time for spring.

    Go BLUE! Go Tigers! Go Wings!

    1. fixxxer says:


      1. Michael g (se gr) says:

        Profound! Nice work fix!

        1. fixxxer says:

          Well what did you want me to say?

        2. michael g (SE GR) says:

          Hey, if you’ve got nothing, go with it. People like quiet better than stupid.

    2. Paul says:


        1. Paul says:


  4. fixxxer says:


    Heres a link to that yahoo story i was talking about.

  5. fixxxer says:

    Im getting weird page rendering on my tablet on the blog. Doesnt happen on other websites, weird.

  6. Nathan says:

    Bill how does next NEXT week look? Any warmer?

  7. fixxxer says:

    Im gonna go on a limb and say no.

  8. INDY says:

    Wow fixxer Bill says more snow I don’t buy it Travis will be happy with me I see warmer temps coming next week winter is one and done ……57* out thee YARDofBRICKS right nice Saturday…Go blue!!!! INDYY..

    1. Jack says:

      Indy, uncle jack….needs Meds… !, ;-)

      1. fixxxer says:

        Jack are you a DJ?

        1. Jack says:

          Whatever gave ya Dat Idea Fixxxer ? Lol…. Stay cued ! ;-)

        2. WhatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

          No, he is a drug addict. Who is obsessed with little feat.

        3. Jack says:

          Wbwtsbc, I have a MMJ card for Your Info. Idiot.. FEATS you Say Thanks for The Reminder it’s been a while. Just for you, a Feats Tune Called…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqKvwPNLikk. ;-) lol

  9. SS (Pwell Area) says:

    Of course it will snow… I just washed all the snow stuff!!! LOL!!!

    GO BLUE!!!!!

    1. Paul says:


      1. Jack says:

        Nope…Again !

        1. Paul says:

          YEP AGAIN!!! GO BLOW!!!

  10. fixxxer says:

    I dont think its gonna snow.

  11. fixxxer says:

    April is a transistion month. Thats the way i look at it.

    1. Jack says:

      Now, your Looking at The Glass Half Full Fix. Good Job. Wonders never caese….. Lol… Stay cued. ;-)

      1. fixxxer says:

        It is just as nov is. There is no glass is half full. Its rare for us to have a real warm april. Last year was rare.

        1. Jack says:

          Well, Well, All I got 2 Say to that is….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclddLcOYYA. Hahhahah ;-)

        2. Cort S. says:

          April has its ups and downs, that’s for sure. Last April was remarkable for being near average and relatively steady… not having any wild temperature swings (except for one minor warm one and a couple minor cold ones).

          Since 2000, only April 2000 and April 2012 did not reach 80 degrees on at least one day.

          You can page through these graphs to see how different Aprils behaved. They’re quite interesting. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/grr/climate/plots/

        3. Cort S. says:

          “Its rare for us to have a real warm april. Last year was rare.”

          You might be confusing April with March?

        4. fixxxer says:

          Probably thinking march. The point is we dont have many warm aprils or mays since ive been here. Ups and downs is an understatement.

  12. INDY says:

    Uncle Jack come on over the YARDofBRICKS has anything u need or email me at YARDofBRICKS at hotmail.com ……Cue me Babe!! INDYY..

    1. fixxxer says:

      Wheres charles been indy? He is one guy i miss from here.

      1. Cort S. says:

        He’s been on facebook a lot.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Yeah i just started following his storm page.

    2. Jack says:

      Brother INDY,Facebook link would be helpful … I know you ain’t to far from me ..Need Directions … PLZ …. I’ll Stay Cued… ;-)

  13. Barb says:

    When I was a kid it seemed April was cool to cold. On the Sunday of the Palm Sunday tornado, I was 10, and it was about 70 degrees, which seemed unusually warm for that time of year.

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      1965 was a very cold spring and on that Palm Sunday it was in the upper 60′s and up to that point it was the warmest day of that spring.

  14. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

    The radar looks like we should be getting dumped but it’s bone dry to far and few small drops of rain

    1. fixxxer says:

      Well well well. Look what the cat dragged in.

    2. Jack says:

      Yeah Swat-zoo, Maybe it’s That ” BUBBLE” Thing Again.! And How Ya Been Lady, and all YourDucklings ,ECT. ECT. ;-)

      1. fixxxer says:

        The bubble isnt in effect until we have storms near jacko.

        1. Jack says:

          Says Who Fixxxer…

        2. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

          Yeah it’ll be a fail spring/summer because I have no plans on leaving country this year like I have over the last 3yrs so I think the bubble will be in full affect.
          Been hanging in there Jack, YardOfDucks are doing well and new additions are coming very soon, I might have to change my name from Swatz_Zoo to “MotherGoose”! HONK HONK HONK!!

  15. INDY says:

    Fixxer Chuck is getting ready 4 the severe weather season and watching Nascar!! Jack email me and I will give u my facebook page yardofbricks@hotmail.com….INDYY..

    1. Jack says:

      Done Tx’s……stay cued.. Go Blue.. ;-)

      1. Paul says:

        GO BLOW!!!

        1. Jack says:

          Nope..3rd TIME!!!!!!!

        2. Paul says:

          YEP A THIRD TIME!!! GO BLOW!!!

  16. Cassie in Caledonia says:

    Hoping for some wild weather this summer..not holding my breath…Knowing my luck it will be boring..then in August it will unleash hell on my event.

  17. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    Cort S. mentioned above that GR has only had two Aprils since 2000 that have not at least one 80° or warmer day. I will add that since 1992 GR has not had a April that has not reached 70 or better at least once. But unless it touched 60 between readings the warmest it has been in GR so far this year was today at 59° And it looks like the next week we will stay below that 60° mark (baring an big spike next week) it could be mid month before we reach 60° (for the year) so the question becomes when was the latest date in the year that GR has reached 60 and then 70° I have an old book I will check it there is any info in that book on this.

  18. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    BTW with the clouds and that wind it did NOY feel like 59° today.

  19. Nathan says:

    Fox 17 had better switch that forecast, and quick! They are the only station left favoring 70 degrees on Wednesday.

    1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

      Wouldn’t that be something if they were the only station that ends up being right! I’d love to see 70! I thought many were watching Wednesday for severe weather but oh how things change quickly.

    2. bnoppe(Albion) says:

      If think they;ll switch it TMW

  20. GunLakeDeb says:

    I know this drastic change from March ’12 to March ’13 has one duck very confused…LOL! Last year, a wild duck chose to nest in my Daylillies – not sure why, it’s not like I live in a secluded area?! But I respected her space and she raised a dozen little ducklings (to the delight of my grandkids).

    This morning, I looked out my back door, to see a wild female Mallard standing there, perplexed. I think it’s the same duck, wondering why her “nesting spot” isn’t hidden, because the cold weather hasn’t encouraged the Daylillies to grow! She either needs to wait – or find some different landscaping!

    1. Swatz_Zoo(Cedar Springs) says:

      LOL, how cute she’s more then welcome to come nest at the YardOfDucks!! They usually do return to the same nesting area, so it could be her.

  21. big Daddy BC says:

    “Snow cover in Earth’s Northern Hemisphere is shrinking with the level last June the lowest since satellite observations began 45 years ago, researchers say.

    Satellite data shows the maximum amount of snow across the Northern Hemisphere is slowly decreasing while spring snow, particularly at high latitudes, is melting significantly earlier, the European Space Agency reported Monday.”


    1. fixxxer says:

      You love to get bill worked up dont you.

    2. Michael g (se gr) says:

      And Southern Hemisphere snow and ice?……….

      Ahhh… The Inconvenient Truth.

    3. Bill Steffen says:

      That’s nuts! Snow cover has been INCREASING in the Northern Hemisphere: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/02/Figure41.png This November thru March we had the 2nd highest snow cover in the satellite era (since 1979) in the Northern Hemisphere.

      Look at the 4-month N. Hemisphere snowfall graph here: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/snow/ (this is from Dr. Bob Hart at Florida State Univ.).

      Here’s current North American snow cover: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_usa.gif Almost all of Canada still has snow and I’ve mentioned the heavy snow in Upper Michigan. 12.9% of the Lower 48 states has a snow cover (average depth 2.9″) and that compares to 8.6% last year. Russia is also almost totally covered in snow as is most of NE Europe: http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif

      That’s certainly not what you climate alarmists expected: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

      Every day since 3/17 has been colder than average in London and since 3/10 in Paris. Farmers in Europe are hurting because of the cold: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22050874

      Just click on the links and see what the actual data shows.

      1. big Daddy BC says:

        You’ve provided NOTHING to the contrary. Your list of links look impressive until you actually follow them. There’s a graphic with anomalous snow cover in square kilometers. There’s a story from 2000 about how little snow there was in Europe. There’s a pic of the north pole and some crap about wheat. Hilarious. The authors of the study I cited are describing snow mass. Mass and area are two totally different things. They’re also introducing the fourth dimension, time. Winters are shorter. They’re starting later and/or ending earlier. Sorry, my corporate sponsored weather friend. The snow IS on the decline.

        Read it again. http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/12/03/Snow-cover-in-Northern-Hemisphere-shrinks/UPI-33651354583094/

        This is from NOAA: “Continuous satellite measurements capture most of the Earth’s seasonal snow cover on land, and reveal that Northern Hemisphere spring snow cover has declined by about 2% per decade since 1966…”

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Your link is wrong…your politically-driven global warming catastrophism is wrong. More to follow after the news. I’m busy now.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          My NOAA link is wrong?? LOL I’m sure.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Yes, you’re link is wrong…first of all, NOAA is just reposting an old IPCC article…it’s not NOAA, it’s IPCC. Second, the graph stops in 2005. It’s now 2013. Check the graph of N. Hemisphere snow now: http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/png/monthlyanom/nhland01.png Look what’s happened since 2005!

          Look at the weather across N. America, Europe or Russia and tell me again that “winters are shorter”.

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Read it again. http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/12/03/Snow-cover-in-Northern-Hemisphere-shrinks/UPI-33651354583094/

          “NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center released its Spring Outlook on March 21. The big story for the upcoming spring: relief for many drought-stricken areas of the United States is not likely.”


        5. Bill Steffen says:

          1) There is always a drought somewhere.
          2) We have had above average precipitation in the Great Lakes Area this winter/spring and that trend will continue.
          3) Droughts are NOT related to CO2 in the atmosphere. Texas was the state most impacted by drought in 2012. Here’s what the State Climatologist of Texas said about the drought: “There is no evidence that climate change contributed to the lack of rainfall, because rainfall has risen over the past century in the state.”
          4) CO2 emissions in the U.S. have been falling (note – the U.S. is the only industrialized country to meet the Kyoto Protocol figures: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/in-a-surprise-co2-emissions-hit-20-year-low/1#.UWXmpTfou3M
          5) Global temperatures have not risen (they have been flat) for over 10 years: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

          6) Northern Hemisphere snow is NOT shrinking: http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/capital-weather-gang/201301/images/dec-snow.jpg?uuid=fUBkBlanEeK_PnbAp4k0bw and http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/02/Figure41.png (note the sources)

  22. Brian(Grandvile) says:

    It’s been so dry that all the rain that has been coming through this evening has been all but evaporating.

    1. fixxxer says:

      Ill take some dry, warm sunny days to be honest.

      1. Brian(Grandvile) says:

        Me too, but I’ll take some rain at night anytime.

        1. fixxxer says:

          Night time rain sounds good.

  23. Jack says:

    M…I ….C…H…I…..G…A……N…… WINS!!!!!! ;-)

    1. Brian(Grandvile) says:

      What a talented young team.

      1. Jack says:

        Ya, Got that Right Brian ! Can they Beat Louiville ? I’m put my money, on Theeeeeeee WOLVERINES ! Go Blue on Monday ! Weather Wise, I wouldn’t Mind, hearing aRumble or 2 , of THUNDER 2- nite . Stay cued..

      2. Michael g (se gr) says:

        Yeah, too bad a talented young team only means a talented younger team the next year. One and done. Go Blue!!

        1. Brian(Grandvile) says:

          Ya, would like to see a few of those guys stay another year.

        2. Jack says:

          We shall see IF, they Enter The NBA Draft or Not. Hope they Stay, but One NEVER Knows .

        3. Paul says:

          GO BLOW!!!

        4. Jack says:

          NOPE….. 4th TIME !!

        5. Paul says:

          Louisville 92 um 63!!! GO CARDS!!!

        6. Jack says:

          NOT…even CLOSE….Try Again !!

  24. Michael g (se gr) says:

    Hail, Hail!!

    Go Blue!!

    1. Paul says:

      LOUISVILLE WILL KICK michigan’s AZZ!!!

      1. Jack says:

        NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! And NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

        1. Jack says:

          + another NOPE!!!!!!! Goodnight PAUL.. And a NOPE Dreams to UUUUUU !

        2. Paul says:

          Wow a reply to yourself…

          And btw, um loses BIG!!!!!!

          GO CARDS!!!

  25. Andy says:

    Go Blue!!!!!!

    1. Paul says:


      1. Jack says:

        NOPE !!!!! 5th Flippin Time !!!

        1. Paul says:

          Jack since michigan is a football school and since most michigan fans only understand goalposts and missed field goals (wink wink). I thought you would like to see how the um basketball team will be feeling after they get their butts kicked Monday night.

          Just for you Jack, lmao…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5Y1OuQIxo

          Enjoy your one season and team, lol.

        2. Jack says:

          Paul, Paul, Paul, If that was a weak Slam on my Christianity, I consider it great Joy !! That u would try to Persecute Me, for His Name Sake. Tx’s . And HEAR ( pun intended) is a Song just 4 U, IMHO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxKXXhjfnWA. ;-)

        3. Paul says:

          HUH??? Slam on your Christianity???

          That man who sang that song is a Christian Jack. Don’t be such a drama queen Jack.

          GO CARDS!!!

        4. Jack says:

          Paul,Sorry if I misunderstood Your Cue, my fault ! See I can admit if I’m Wrong. As far as the drama queen Thing. ????? I don’t get IT. I hate drama and I sure as heck ain’t no queen. ONCE AGAIN… Go BLUE !!!! And u stay cued, ya hear ! ;-)

  26. Jerry hoag says:

    I am waiting for those rumbles of thunder!! Suppose to be a big outbreak of severe weather in the plains (southern) starting late Monday til Wednesday! I bet there will be a lot of tornados to chase!! Bring them on!!!

    1. Jack says:

      Me 2 Jerry…I Love a Good Thunder BOOMER, To Get The Heart Pounding . My neighbors always Think I’m CRAZY. When I sit out on my Back Porch and SING…..How Great Thou Art !!!! Lol…stay cued, as Always GOD BLESS ! ;-)

  27. Jack says:

    A SUNDAY Morning Song, That came to Mind….Here is The Highway Men on WJEM (via Bills Blog) ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL4ZWwBnQns. Morning Bill.. ;-)

  28. Nathan says:

    How is the high 49 when it is currently 55?! (If your wondering why I am awake, my arm fell asleep :p)

  29. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    What more SNOW! Who knew? The skiing conditions yesterday were FANTASTIC! Skiing till May – I love it! Keep the COLD and SNOW coming!! I see that FOX 17 is still living in warm weather fantasy land! Their warm weather HYPE is out of control and totally inaccurate!!! Their temp forecasts would fit right in with the Travis SE MI warm weather propaganda machine!

  30. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    The NAO is still negative and will be staying negative all next week! The 6 to 14 day CPC outlook has us squarely in the below normal temperatures! This takes us all the way till the 4th week of April! Yes, skiing in May is looking more and more likely!! Bring it on!!!

    1. fixxxer says:

      are you going to do this during the summer to?

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