Western Heat Wave – Las Vegas ties highest ever

June 29th, 2013 at 4:21 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

thermometer 115 degrees nbc sfo Death Valley  Click the graphic to enlarge -  4 pm EDT/1 PM Pacific Time – Temperatures:  108 LAS, 107 PHX, 110 Yuma.  The low temperature at Stovepipe Wells/Death Valley Monday AM was 101.   Las Vegas tied their highest temperature ever Sunday PM at 117.  That temperature was also reached on 7/19/2005 and 7/24/1942.  This also sets an all-time record high for June.   7 PM EDT Sunday – At 4 PM local time, it was 116 in Las Vegas (variable at 3 mph), 114 in Phoenix, 122 in Needles CA (humidity 6%) – much cooler at the ocean, 74 in San Diego and 63 in Crescent City CA in NW California.  The Saturday night low temperature at Salt Lake City was 80.  That will likely be the warmest low temperature ever at SLC.  Needles CA had a low of 95 Saturday night.  At 10 AM they were already a lot of temperatures over 100 in the desert areas. The high temperature Saturday at Death Valley was 128 depending on which NWS site you care to believe).  Check out this article on the weather station at Death Valley and this article on the difference in the 2 weather stations at Mercury NV.   The thermometer reached 115 in Las Vegas (humidity 6% and wind 6 mph).  It was the warmest temperature in Las Vegas since 1994.  Phoenix AZ hit119 (humidity 6%), the low temperature in Phoenix Sat. and Sun. morning was 91.   Palm Springs CA hit 122 (humidity 5%).  Needles CA climbed to 123 (low of 93 Fri. night)(highest ever in June).  Bullhead City AZ has reached 123 and Blythe CA has made 119.   The all-time hottest temperature for Las Vegas is 117 – reached in 1942 and 2005.  Las Vegas has seen phenomenal population growth (urbanization).  The weather station at the McCarren Airport is now surrounded by a lot of asphalt and concrete that wasn’t there in 1942.  Between the evaporation of water from the city (fountains, etc.) raising the dew point and urbanization, it’s nearly impossible for Las Vegas to set a record low temperature now.  Also:  All-time record high June temperatures at Houston (107) and San Antonio TX (108).  Check out the 500 mb map.  This is a map of a constant pressure surface.  The higher heights (note the high pressure ridge over the Western U.S.) show the core of the heat.  Note the lower heights in the Great Lakes, where we have more clouds, showers and cooler than average high temperatures.   This link updates the days high temperatures usually shortly before midnight.  (graphic from nbcbayarea.com and the NWS in Las Vegas).  This heat wave should last a good 5-6 days.  There will be a few scattered thundershowers in the SW U.S. over the next several days.  This often happens when it gets real hot.   You get warm air running up the mountains and forming scattered t-showers.  It looks like Death Valley made 128 – six degres shy of their all-time record.  Check out this article on the weather station at Death Valley.            The Average HIGH/LOW at Death Valley for June 30 is 114/85 (mean of 100).  At the end of December, the average HIGH/LOW is 65/37.

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171 Responses to “Western Heat Wave – Las Vegas ties highest ever”

  1. Dan says:

    Hot, hot , hot! My Uncle lives just off the strip in Las Vegas. He said it very hot there! He stays inside during the daytime.

  2. Robert(Plainwell) says:

    Inflated temps from older weather stations could be a problem.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/29/aging-weather-stations-contribute-to-high-temperature-records/#more-89002

    Can also be a failure of the sensors without being corrected.

    http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=otx&sid=KTLW1&num=72&raw=0

    but it is hot out west.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      These issues were proven false by the Berkeley group.

      http://berkeleyearth.org/

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        The Berkeley group did nothing of the sort. When you move a weather station to a parking lot, the temperature goes up: http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/22/tucsons-amazing-ushcn-station/

        Dr. Judith Curry of the Berkeley group you linked to has called the climate models, “deeply flawed”.

      2. Robert(Plainwell) says:

        Oh big daddy I actually expected something better than that from you.

      3. big Daddy BC says:

        The Berkeley group, indeed, pulled data from all ‘questionable’ weather stations as named by Watts. The results were unchanged. The data still supported an anthropogenic climate change model.

        1. Robert(Plainwell) says:

          Richard Muller: “… The standards held over there at the University of East Anglia are just not up to what we consider standard scientific methods….”

          And later on in the interview:

          Richard Muller: “What’s wrong is what they said. The conclusions that Michael Mann drew, that it’s the warmest it’s been in a thousand years – I was on an international academy review panel that looked at that. Our conclusion was: he could not draw those conclusions.”

          http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/09/a-fascinating-new-interview-with-prof-richard-muller-quote-on-climategate-what-they-did-was-i-think-shameful-and-it-was-scientific-malpractice/

          You still need to answer about climategate bDBC.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          He won’t answer, Robert – his modus operandi is to “Use Mike’s Trick to Hide the Decline” !!

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Excellent link to Anthony Watts, the uneducated blog master with no scientific experience whatsoever…kind of like this blogmaster, Bill Steffen. Nice Bachelors Degree from the sixties. Shouldn’t we have flying cars by now? LOL

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Anthony Watts is not “uneducated”. He’s been cited many times for his work on station siting by the American Assn. of State Climatologists. Not only does he run an award winning science blog, The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change with, as I write this 153,261,398 views. It’s also won “Best Science Blog each of the last 3 years. Check out Anthony’s blog here and see for yourself: http://wattsupwiththat.com/

          My double major is from the 1970s. And you’re degree is…

        5. Robert(Plainwell) says:

          Typical bDBC won’t answer the question posed to you.

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          Answer what? There’s no question, Bonehead. It’s two quotes from Muller where he discusses other studies he’s read. Are you expecting that I’ll defend him or the studies?

          Again, you idiots can’t see the forest for the trees.

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          You keep quoting the Berkeley group. Seems that’s the best you can do? Robert gives quotes from Muller and I’ve give you the quote from Dr. Judith Curry that the climate models are “deeply flawed”.

          Better shift back to Al Gore. Remember he said that the Polar Ice Cap(s) would be “gone” by the year 2013. There’s MORE ice at both poles than there was in 2007!!!!

          http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/163-new-discovery-nasa-study-proves-carbon-dioxide-cools-atmosphere.html#.UVYwRz4bXF4.facebook

        8. Robert(Plainwell) says:

          Yo bonehead what about climategate? Was that made up?

  3. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    Rocky, only 4-5 months till snow time!

    1. Jack says:

      Nathan , Bite your Tongue , for Using that “S” word!!!!! ;-)

      1. AlleganJoe says:

        I fully agree…Bite Your Tongue and Better Yet…sew it shut…LOL…we don’t need to hear of the “W” word!! :(

  4. Melinda Young says:

    Yup – that is hot; but it’s a “dry heat”. 103 here in Boise about an hour ago – may have to head to the mountains tomorrow :) !

  5. Mike M. says:

    Amazing what a few thousand feet can do for your utility bill. Santa Fe, NM clocks in at 73°F right now.

  6. Cliff (Scotts) says:

    They can keep it, last year was no fun!!!

  7. INDY says:

    6 Days of 90* and better with a Derecho are coming around thee 10th ….Get ready now……INDYY…..

    1. Jack says:

      Derecho? On the 10th? Here or There? Indy…. .? ;-)

    2. Bernie at the lakeshore says:

      Yes, the ring of fire comes with derechos on the Northeast side. Too cold for shorts tonight. :)

    3. Jerry hoag says:

      INDY, so you say a derecho around the 10th????? I will mark it on my calendar and see if you are closely correct.

  8. LauraL says:

    My brother lives near the dreaded Needles Calif. He watched a lizard with a piece of wood in its mouth,drop the wood sit on it to cool its feet, run a little more and do the same thing until it reached shade. Pretty funny. He did not get it on video.

  9. AlleganJoe says:

    “Heat Wave”…??…what is that..??..do we have that here in Michigan-??-surely haven’t quite seen that recently…we have had cool/cold waves more often this season!! :( :(

    Tries to get Hot–the cold air keeps flowing down and cools us off after a couple “dayz” of 80-84 degree heat–another Hot Summer goes into non-existent! :(

  10. Jerry hoag says:

    Hey Bill, do you think Indy’s predictions of the hot weather and derecho event around the 10th is accurate???

    Also a comment I use on facebook today with that heat out west…

    It is just BLAZING amazing……no pun intended…….lol. :)

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      There’s always a chance, but derechos are quite rare and pretty impossible to predict that far in advance.

  11. Dan says:

    It sure looks to warm up by the 4th with temps into the 80s! Laura said they may have to increase those temps for the end of the week! Indy could be on to something with the heat coming this way! I’m going to make a note of the 10 th also to see about that Derecho!
    Summer time in Michigan! Speaking of summer, the boys of summer need to get their bullpen together. The Tigers should easily be leading their division by 15 games!

  12. Nathan says:

    I don’t know why, but this summer FEELS warmer than last summer! I really hope we get some more storms soon or else I’m ready for W!

  13. Dan says:

    130 degrees in Death Valley, hmm. What is the average temp for that area this time of year? 124.

  14. Dan says:

    Indy the NWS doesn’t see any hot weather coming our way. What data are you looking at to see the heat for us?

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Yestersay they actually mentioned possibly lowering temps for late next week.

      1. Brian(Grandville) says:

        Their long range forecast updated this morning says at the very end “no heat waves in the in sight for s.w. Michigan”.

    2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Looks like Indy might be onto something. Even Wood has mid to upper 80′s next weekend.

      http://www.weathertrends360.com/Graph/30day/ST3585

  15. Janelle says:

    Well the temperature is perfect for fireflies! Such a fun time of year – we took our daughter to catch them last night and got 4 or so in a jar. Looked like a miniature lightning storm in a bottle! Don’t how much longer they are around, is it all summer or is firefly season short?

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The fireflies that are flying around (adult stage) live an average of 2 months as glowing fireflies, according to Natl. Geographic.

  16. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Vegas hit 117 tying their highest ever recorded temp.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Wrong: http://kamala.cod.edu/offs/KVEF/1306300109.sxus75.html “AT THE OFFICIAL CLIMATE STATION FOR LAS VEGAS AT MCCARRAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT THE HIGH TEMPERATURE TODAY REACHED 115 DEGREES. THIS TIES THE RECORD FOR JUNE 29TH LAST SET IN 1994.

      The reading at the NWS office set an all-time record, but records started there in 1996, so that’s not a long period of record.

      1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        Per the US News

        “The high temperature officially hit 117 degrees at Las Vegas-McCarran International Airport — equaling the airport’s record — Friday as thousands of people streamed to the casino site for the festival.”

        http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/28/19187678-34-sent-to-hospitals-in-las-vegas-as-record-heat-parks-over-west-southwest?lite

        1. Robert(Plainwell) says:

          Travis NBC lied then.

          CLIMATE REPORT
          NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAS VEGAS, NV
          212 AM PDT SUN JUN 30 2013

          ……………………………..

          …THE LAS VEGAS NV CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR JUNE 29 2013…

          CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
          CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1937 TO 2013

          WEATHER ITEM OBSERVED TIME RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
          VALUE (LST) VALUE VALUE FROM YEAR
          NORMAL
          …………………………………………………………
          TEMPERATURE (F)
          YESTERDAY
          MAXIMUM 115R 452 PM 115 1994 103 12 105
          MINIMUM 89 529 AM 60 1941 79 10 82
          AVERAGE 102 90 12 94

        2. Cort S. says:

          First off, be careful which days you are comparing. The NBC article is talking about June 28 but you guys are disputing it with June 29 data. Funny enough, though, both June 28 and June 29 reached 115 degrees, which tied the daily records from 1994. So it doesn’t really change much; NBC still got the airport’s high temperature wrong for Friday. Other temperature stations in the area did see greater than 115 degrees, but I don’t know where they got 117 from.

          “THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST TIME LAS VEGAS HAS RECORDED CONSECUTIVE HIGHS OF 115 DEGREES OR GREATER IN JUNE SINCE JUNE 28-30, 1994.”

          Heh… that’s funny how that happened on the same days in June as this year.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          NBC lying? Hmmm. Remember they got in trouble for editing the Trayvon Martin audio tape: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/07/us-usa-florida-shooting-nbc-idUSBRE83609U20120407 And remember when NBC was caught blowing up GM trucks: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/10/us/nbc-settles-truck-crash-lawsuit-saying-test-was-inappropriate.html I remember Jane Pauley had to read a 3 1/2 minute apology on the air. Then there was also the false story about clear-cutting forests in Idaho: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/27/arts/behind-the-new-apology-from-nbc.html and recently: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/06/21/Number-Seven-NBC-News-Caught-Again-Selectively-Editing-Video

        4. big Daddy BC says:

          Isn’t NBC YOUR network? Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. LOL

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          NBC doesn’t “feed me”. I work for WOOD-TV and NBCs anemic prime time ratings are a drag on our 11 PM news.

        6. big Daddy BC says:

          LOL Yeah, I’m sure that’s why your ratings are sliding.

        7. Bill Steffen says:

          Our ratings went up from 6-9 AM and 4-8 PM in the May book. Ratings were AWESOME for the 5, 5:30 and 6 PM newscasts. We had a great year in 2012 – NBC had the Olympics and the Super Bowl – and all that money for the proposals in the November election. Remember that one you were hyping? 81 of 83 counties voted down Proposal 2…64 of 83 counties voted it down by over 60%. Over 700,000 people in Michigan who voted for Obama voted against Proposal 2. I could have predicted that…you didn’t buy banner ads on Bill’s Blog. Next time you want to rewrite the Constitution, bring that fat wallet of yours right here to Bill’s Blog.

        8. big Daddy BC says:

          Nice little anti-union rant. You right-wingers are relentless ball breakers.

        9. big Daddy BC says:

          How does contributing cash to a perfectly legal ballot initiative hurt one’s reputation? I’m sure you give plenty to Teabaggers Camp and and the Dick Snyder Polo club.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          I never said that Proposal 2 was illegal. Are you lying again or just that ignorant? I loved Proposal 2. It made WOOD-TV a lot of money. No harm done, we preserved the State Constitution. The people prevailed.

          I know very little about the Tea Party – though a google search I did turned this up…the Knoxville Tea Party working with African-Americans:

          D.C. MARCH for JOBS — rally in Washington D.C., July 15th

          The Black American Leadership Alliance (BALA) is a non-partisan alliance of black leaders who are rightly concerned about the amnesty bills’ affect on black employment. It is a matter of simple fact that our black American citizens depend on the very jobs that the amnesty bills flood with low-wage workers. Our black unemployment rate is already shockingly high, and they do not relish losing more jobs to foreign competition.

          BALA called KTP in person to urge us to join their “March for Jobs” on July 15th, in Washington D.C., an invitation we gladly accepted Other local Tea Parties will also be attending. Details are here: http://www.dcmarchforjobs.com/

          Interesting…

  17. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    It seems like once you hit 120+ it all feels the same: HOT

  18. Skot says:

    I see we lost 2 minutes of daylight at sunrise. Summer is half over.

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Depressing if you think about it!

  19. Paul says:

    So when do we get hear from the resident cross dresser “big daddy bc” about the so-called “global warming” or wait it’s “climate change” or maybe it’s “global warming climate change”??? lol

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Well, I’m glad it’s not the other way around. I’d hate to have warming caused by climate change! Glad you admit we don’t have that!

      2. Paul says:

        I see you’re using your nick name at the end of your worthless remarks, especially with that duck tape you use, lol.

      3. big Daddy BC says:

        Do you mean duct tape? They call that chrome in Plainwell.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Climate Scientist Dr. Judith Curry: ‘Attention in the public debate seems to be moving away from the 15-17 year ‘pause’ to the cooling since 2002’

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          OMG I bet you’ve posted that same old taken-out-of-context misquote 600 times on here. Get some new material, Old Man.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          Check out this article in Nature Magazine: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/19/nature-editorial-dashes-alarmist-hopes-of-linking-extreme-weather-events-to-global-warming/

          It says, “Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming.”

  20. Cort S. says:

    If only we lived in a world where ideas could be more nuanced and people could have more respect for each other.

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Exactly. This blog is so black/white. Either you believe the earth is cooling or you’re a global warming profiteer. Kind of scary.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Global temperature is black and white. It warmed from 1980 to 2002 and temperatures have been flat since then. Even Hansen recognizes the steady global temperatures for the past decade: “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade… – James Hansen et al.

        Dr. Judith Curry has stated the obvious when she says that the climate models are “deeply flawed”. It would be unwise to base policy decisions on “deeply flawed” data.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          What’s scary is the power of FOX NEWS. You guys sure drank the Kool-Aid!

          Here’s what the educated world thinks…

          “According to NOAA scientists, the globally averaged temperature for May 2013 tied with 1998 and 2005 as the third warmest May since record keeping began in 1880. It also marked the 37th consecutive May and 339th consecutive month (more than 28 years) with a global temperature above the 20th century average.” NOAA

          Ouch

          Here’s what Bill Steffen and Rush Limbaugh mean by temps ‘leveling off’.

          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/glob/201305.gif

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Here’s NASA’s global temperatures: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif From 2002 – 2013, global temperatures have been flat.

          Even James Hansen acknowledges that fact: “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          From the liberal N.Y. Times: “…that lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace. The slowdown is a bit of a mystery to climate scientists.”

          http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Scientist-agrees-global-warming-trick/story-19170216-detail/story.html#axzz2VMOMDe9e

        3. Mike M. says:

          NOAA/GISS/NASA all torture the data until it fits the narrative. The satellites tell the true story…

          http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_May_2013_v5.5.png

        4. Mike M. says:

          The oceans must be boiling, then…

          http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/anomnight.current.gif

          Looks all normal to me!

        5. Mike M. says:

          EPA says that our worst heat waves were in the 30′s…

          http://www.epa.gov/climate/climatechange/pdfs/print_heat-waves.pdf

        6. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          Global temperatures are up significantly in the past 100+ years and the sea level is up 9″ since the 1920′s.

          Explain it away all you want or focus on the past 10 years in which you use a hot starting year to help your bias.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2012.svg

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trends_in_global_average_absolute_sea_level,_1870-2008_%28US_EPA%29.png

        7. Cort S. says:

          Global temperature is black and white? How? Are these temperatures measured by satellites? Or computed through surface station data? (Pardon my ignorance.) What about all the flaws that come with surface station siting, local climate modification like evapotranspiration, differences in instrumentation over time, etc.? Why is it just surface temperatures that are our only concern? Assuming the earth’s energy budget (incoming SWR minus outgoing LWR) is not constant or balanced over the years, yet the average surface temperature remains the same, aren’t there potentially other sinks for that energy to go? Upper atmosphere, ocean surface, ocean subsurface, soil subsurface, latent heat, etc.? It doesn’t seem black and white to me.

          Plus, there’s so much more to climate other than the earth’s temperature. What about humidity, rainfall, winds…? What about the changes in the frequency or average return period of outlier events? What about the statistical measurements that are largely ignored: standard deviation, non-normal distribution curves, etc.? For example, this current jet stream pattern that has seemingly been prone to becoming highly amplified and blocky over the past couple years. That has a huge impact on a location’s month-to-month and year-to-year weather. What’s up with that (quantitatively speaking)? Is it happening more frequently or not? Is the typical magnitude of amplification changing? Is the typical wavelength changing? What’s causing it all to happen? We don’t really have a good handle on that, or a very long historical, data-rich record of the jet stream. What about the troposphere’s connection to the stratosphere? That’s just several of the many scientific questions that we all have to ponder, and the answers will have implications for our understanding and debates over the larger climate puzzle.

          Both sides on this blog seem to be bickering over an extremely multifaceted and complex, yet poorly understood system (not even primarily due to ignorance) with oversimplified arguments and pot shots at straw men. That’s what the description of “black or white” was trying to convey. We all hate evil people who profit off of the harm or fear or misinformation of others, and there’s a lot of that happening all over the place. As this is intended to be more of a science blog, shouldn’t we better concern ourselves with the many scientific nuances of this problem… and seek to educate each other and learn more for ourselves about those advanced nuances, or even more just about the basics of climatology for the layman’s sake, before we leap into a polarized debate? The manner in which the debates are being conducted on this blog is disappointing. As the only real effect it seems to be having is a widening gap between camps and a continuing polarization of those camps, it’s not helping anybody. You’re both spending so much time over this, and I would argue that the effect it has is actually causing more regressive harm than good progress.

        8. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

          Cort i knew i could count on you. Well said.

        9. BJ says:

          I am not disputing what you are saying about the temperatures but I wonder what accounts for the dramatic increase in the melting of glaciers worldwide and ice in Greenland, etc. I was looking at photos of glaciers in Alaska and they have really receded in recent years. Also the bleaching of coral reefs worldwide that has been attributed to the warming of the oceans. And there has also been a die-off of amphibians worldwide for a number of years now that is really scary.

        10. Bill Steffen says:

          Despite the June heat wave, Alaska has overall been colder than average for the last couple years. The Glacier melt has at least temporarily reversed: http://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan+Glaciers+Grow+for+First+Time+in+250+years/article13215.htm

        11. big Daddy BC says:

          So don’t worry about the melting glaciers, BJ. Bill says the trend has been reversed. Wow…CLOSE CALL! LOL

          Cort, I’d like to address a few of your concerns. First, yes, temperature is but one of a wide array of indicators that the Earth is warming, but the argument here has varied from discussions on humidity, to latent heat, to cyclonic energy, from conversations about biogeography to the cooling stratosphere and shrinking ozone to money trails and politics, and so I’m not sure your accusation that the camps are merely taking pot shots at straw men isn’t itself an overly simplified view of the content of past discussions.

          I’d also take issue over how well-understood climate models really are. The right would have us believe that the picture is too difficult to understand, that we’d be better off letting Exxon continue to soak us until the science catches up. There’s a reason why Bill uses blogs and anecdotes to support his position rather than actual science. Real science overwhelmingly support the anthropogenic model.

          I’ve always operated under the assumption that many read this blog who don’t post. I hope that’s true and that’s why I occasionally provide an alternate view to WOOD TV’s corporate brainwash. If you as a critic would like to bring some wisdom or support for a particular opinion, We’d all welcome it.

          http://www.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_why_i_must_speak_out_about_climate_change.html

        12. Bill Steffen says:

          The picture isn’t difficult to understand. LOOK: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif Since 2002, global temperatures have been flat.

          You’re link to Hansen is from Feb. 2012. This is Hansen in Jan. 2013: “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al. This is the same James Hansen who keeps getting arrested (arrested or cited half a dozen times according to the New York Times)

          You and the rest of the climate profiteers will be left in the dust as global temperatures continue to hold steady. BTW – got any “hot” winter forecasts to spew out. In 2000, snow was going to be “a thing of the past”: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html My snowfall prediction for last winter was only off by one inch: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/12/a_winter_dumping_or_a_dusting.html

          As Dr. Judith Curry has well-stated, the Climate Models are “deeply flawed”: http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c017d42dfdbb4970c-400wi

        13. big Daddy BC says:

          As global temps continue to hold steady at two degrees C above the century average? Are you nuts???

          http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/indicators/global-temp-and-co2-1880-2009.gif

        14. big Daddy BC says:

          Pielke and his son are climate change deniers. Jr is a political activist with an active imagination and blog that’s only slightly lamer than yours. WHERE’S THE ACTUAL SCIENCE???

        15. Bill Steffen says:

          Pelkie and his son (also a Ph.D.) are top-notch scientists…you can read Dr. Roger Pelkie Jr’s fantastic blog here: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/ You, of course, have offered not so much as a GED of expertise on the subject. They are not “climate change deniers”. Climate changes. They are not hyperventilating irrational alarmists like you.

          Dr. Pelkie quotes the latest IPCC report…not good news for you climate profiteers:

          “The full IPCC Special Report on Extremes is out today, and I have just gone through the sections in Chapter 4 that deal with disasters and climate change. Kudos to the IPCC — they have gotten the issue just about right, where “right” means that the report accurately reflects the academic literature on this topic. Over time good science will win out over the rest — sometimes it just takes a little while.

          A few quotable quotes from the report (from Chapter 4):

          “There is medium evidence and high agreement that long-term trends in normalized losses have not been attributed to natural or anthropogenic climate change”
          “The statement about the absence of trends in impacts attributable to natural or anthropogenic climate change holds for tropical and extratropical storms and tornados”
          “The absence of an attributable climate change signal in losses also holds for flood losses”

          The report even takes care of tying up a loose end that has allowed some commentators to avoid the scientific literature:

          “Some authors suggest that a (natural or anthropogenic) climate change signal can be found in the records of disaster losses (e.g., Mills, 2005; Höppe and Grimm, 2009), but their work is in the nature of reviews and commentary rather than empirical research.”

  21. Dan says:

    What’s scary is that many will believe something without checking into it. Almost as if to blindly follow. Even when shown the proof to dispute the claim, they bury their heads to the facts!

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      LOL Who would that be??

      http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/ytd-global-temp-anoms/201212.png

      I wonder why none of those lines are at zero!?? LOL

        1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          There you go, saying flat for the last decade again lol I give up.

        2. Mike M. says:

          So, bdbc, Travis is your sock puppet? Look before you post you drooling offal eater.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s not just me saying temperatures have been flat for the past decade. James Hansen says the same thing:

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          Reality down to less than a 5% chance on the IPCC model and it’ll soon be 0%…clearing demonstrating why Dr. Judith Curry called the climate models “deeply flawed” http://www.carbonbrief.org/media/163952/hawkins.jpg

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          The video at your link from Hansen is a year and a half old. This is Hansen 11 months after your video: The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

          From the New York Times: “…lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace. The slowdown is a bit of a mystery to climate scientists.”

          The plateau is real. You forecast global temperatures to follow CO2 and go up. They haven’t. As Dr. Judith Curry aptly says…the climate models are “deeply flawed”.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          As Cort pointed out, once again, it’s not only about temperature but energy. To use an eight year temperature record to define climate change is amateurish and unrealistic. Melting glaciers, increasing wildfires, shattered high records across the world, and rising ocean levels say you’re full of BS.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          2002-2013 is 11 years, not 8 years. It was unexpected to climate alarmists…a “mystery” as the N.Y. Times puts it. The models are wrong, “deeply flawed” as Dr. Judith Curry has well-stated. http://www.climatedialogue.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Figure-2-Pielke.jpg

          Heat records are hyped by the mainstream media. With all the hyperbole over Death Valley, they have still come up five degrees short of the record set 100 years ago. This morning, Waco, Junction and Fredericksburg Texas all set all-time record LOW temperatures for the month of July! That somehow didn’t make the news.

          NOAA on sea levels: http://notrickszone.com/2011/09/17/slowing-sea-levels/ Rising sea levels can’t be a problem. Al Gore (the ultimate climate profiteer – now richer than Mitt Romney: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/al-gore-richer-than-romney-163291.html) just bought oceanfront property: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/05/how-green-is-al-gores-9-million-montecito-ocean-front-villa/1#.UdRhw5ww-Hg

          Wildfires are clearly not increasing. So far in 2013, this is the lowest # of fires and the 2nd lowest for acreage in the last 10 years: http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

          Glacial melting has gone on for thousands of years as the Earth comes to equilibrium after the last ice age. Many glaciers have either stopped their decline or are now increasing as global temperatures have stopped rising: http://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan+Glaciers+Grow+for+First+Time+in+250+years/article13215.htm

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          “The West, including Alaska, continues to have increased fire activitity. A total of 33 large fires have burned 499,853 acres. Hot temperatures, dry conditions and thunderstorms continue to fuel these wildland fires.” -YOUR LINK! LOL

          BTW, you were looking at the number of fires, not the number of acres burnt. Have another look and then tell us what the trend looks like. You’re such a cherry picker.

          And while I’m at it, I laughed so hard lemon-aide came out of my nose when I saw you linking the NO TRICK ZONE and POLITICO again! LOL Desperate is as desperate does.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          This comment could be written in ANY year around July 1:

          “The West, including Alaska, continues to have increased fire activitity. A total of 33 large fires have burned 499,853 acres. Hot temperatures, dry conditions and thunderstorms continue to fuel these wildland fires.”

          For the U.S. as a whole, wildfires are down significantly this year in both the number of fires and the acreage burned.

          You want to see wildfires…try 1871: http://io9.com/5897629/october-8-1871-the-night-america-burned

  22. BJ says:

    I lived in Tucson for a while a number of years ago and the temperature would be around 102 degrees. Although the humidity was low it felt so hot that your brain felt like it was frying. I was working outside helping with a research project up in a blind about 10 feet off the ground that I had to carry in and assemble at the research site and it was like an oven up there as the day warmed up. Luckily we headed back from the research site by the end of the morning. I saw a gila monster once come out of its den, also a few snakes and lots of mule deer.
    It sure makes a difference in comfort now that the dew point has gone down. I don’t like the high humidity.

  23. INDY says:

    INDY,Tom skilling is calling for heat wave around thee 10th with heavy T-stomrs maybe a Derecho….We are on borad as one so do a little rain dane it’s on for thee 10th Travis is ready Jerry Hoag is ready uncle jack with his cues is ready Bill is on it Fixxer is happy and Dan thee man I wan’t my ice cream……Stay tuned INDYY …….

    1. Jack says:

      ALL Ways READY, 4 Storms and CUES!!!!!…..Indy …Stay Cued….BILL’s BLOG!!!!!!

  24. Michael (Berrien county) says:

    I see that Death Valley’s forecast for tomorrow is a high of 130 with a low tomorrow night of 100. Holy crap!!!

  25. michael g (SE GR) says:

    For a week that was supposed to have so much rain, my grass sure is dry!

    1. fixxxer says:

      Boo hoo, run a sprinkler.

      1. michael g (SE GR) says:

        Yep, put the sprinkler out to water in the fertilizer you’re always spreading. Grass is SO green…

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      The airport/SE G.R. has missed a lot of the rain. The only measurable rain at the airport was the 0.67″ on the 25th. Other than that, it’s been pretty dry since the 17th.

  26. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Looks like Vegas hit 116 already today:

    SO FAR THE HIGH TEMPERATURE TODAY AT THE OFFICIAL CLIMATE STATION AT
    MCCARRAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT HAS REACHED 116 DEGREES TODAY. THIS
    BREAKS THE PREVIOUS DAILY RECORD FOR JUNE 30TH OF 115 DEGREES. THIS
    ALSO TIES THE ALL-TIME JUNE RECORD HIGH FOR LAS VEGAS SET ON JUNE
    15, 1940. THIS REPORT WILL BE UPDATED LATER TODAY.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/30/las-vegas-hits-116-degrees-tying-june-record-set-1/#axzz2XjuoBxO2

    They also tied their all-time record for highest minimum temperature ever recorded:

    THE LOW TEMPERATURE OBSERVED SATURDAY MORNING AT THE OFFICIAL
    CLIMATE STATION IN LAS VEGAS NV…MCCARRAN INTERNATIONAL
    AIRPORT…WAS 89 DEGREES. THIS READING BREAKS THE RECORD FOR THE
    HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR JUNE 29TH OF 87 SET IN 1977. THIS
    ALSO TIES THE ALL-TIME RECORD HIGH MINIMUM FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE OF
    89 DEGREES FIRST SET ON JUNE 30TH 2009. RECORDS DATE BACK TO 1937
    FOR LAS VEGAS.

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      *In June

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      The McCarren Airport wasn’t there in 1940. Some interesting info. on the airport from Wiki: “American aviator George Crockett, a descendant of frontiersman Davy Crockett, established Alamo Airport in 1942 on the site currently occupied by McCarran International. In 1929 the old Las Vegas Airport, which would become Nellis AFB, was nothing more than a dirt runway, a water well and a small operations shack for Western Air Express Airlines. The United States Army Air Corps had been looking at the Las Vegas area since the 1930s, when it had used the Western Air Express Field—later renamed McCarran Field, northeast of Las Vegas for its training flights. In 1941 the Army concluded a lease with the City of Las Vegas to use McCarran Field until construction was completed on the gunnery range airfield. In 1942 the old Las Vegas Airport was still operating commercial flights, when TWA Flight 3 crashed. On January 16, 1942, 15 minutes after takeoff from the old Las Vegas Airport (now Nellis AFB) bound for Burbank, the aircraft slammed into a sheer cliff on Potosi Mountain, 32 miles southwest of the airport, at an elevation of 7,770 ft above sea level, and was destroyed. All nineteen passengers on board, including movie star Carole Lombard, married to Hollywood legend Clark Gable, with her mother, and all three crew members, died in the crash. In 1948 Clark County purchased the airfield from Crockett to establish the Clark County Public Airport, and all commercial operations moved there. On December 20, 1948 the airport was renamed McCarran Field for U.S. Senator Pat McCarran, a longtime Nevada politician.”

  27. fixxxer says:

    Perfect weather bill. Keep it up!

  28. Dan says:

    Hmmm Travis keeps trying. His warm bias will not let him see the facts huh Bill? He made a statement about black and white. Yet, he won’t look at facts. Look how DF places facts in front of Travis as well.

    1. big Daddy BC says:

      Mother Nature has the warming bias, Dan. WOOD TV has the cooling bias. Which one is being paid to think that way?

      http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/ytd-global-temp-anoms/201212.png

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Here’s who’s profiting from “global warming”: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2398822/posts

        1. Brad says:

          You read Free Republic?

        2. Mike M. says:

          You read Think Progress, Brad?

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          http://www.freerepublic.com just reported the link/info. from Penn. State Univ. Thanks to FOI, you can’t “Hide the Decline” anymore.

      2. big Daddy BC says:

        LOL Tell us you don’t get paid to do this blog.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          I asked to do the blog. It was my idea. I don’t get extra $$ for writing the blog. However, I am compensated well and fairly and I hope the blog makes some $$ for my employer. I do it because I enjoy it and I enjoy interacting with viewers/readers.

        2. big Daddy BC says:

          Fairly?? Six figures and as much vacation time as a corporate CEO to read models and spread misinformation about climate change hardly sounds fair. But climate profiteering is what it is.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          HA! I’ve been doing this job for 38 1/2 years. After that amount of time, a lot of public sector employees are retired and getting substantial defined pensions. There are no pensions here, and very few in the private sector. I work a LOT of weekends, holidays and extra hours during weather events. Some years, I haven’t even taken all my vacation time.

          I give short-term weather forecasts. Debunking climate profiteers and special-interest shills is just a hobby!

          http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/163-new-discovery-nasa-study-proves-carbon-dioxide-cools-atmosphere.html#.UVYwRz4bXF4.facebook

        4. Robert(Plainwell) says:

          Hey bDBC I think Bill has earned everything he is getting honestly unlike Mann, Hansen and the rest of the global warming dwarfs.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Bill, I love that you’ve sacrificed vacation time for the cause. That’s very righteous. On the other hand, you do make six figures and get six weeks off. Your pension or lack of is very sad, but lack of planning on your part hardly is hardly an indictment on the thousands of hard working public employees that make a third what you do and did choose careers with benefit packages that included retirement planning. Are you telling me WOOD doesn’t match your 401K? Wow. No wonder they can afford that fancy wall of TVs in the weather center.
          It’s hard to believe that someone with so much money could be jealous of teachers.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          I don’t get six weeks off and I make a drop in the bucket compared to climate profiteers: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/al-gore-mitt-romney_n_2432534.html

          I love teachers…my wife used to be a teacher…my niece is a teacher. I’ve taught in the Lighthouse and Spectrum Programs. I also love kids and unlike you guys, I don’t want to see elementary school students put in jeopardy with drunk and stoned teachers in the classroom: http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/10/bay_city_teachers_union_gave_4.html

    2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      I am as conservative as they come but thanks for the bashing. Just proves the above referenced point about the hostility. For the record, I do not even believe man is solely responsible for the increasing global temps and make no predictions of where they will be in the future. Whoever tries to do that is fooling themselves, in my opinion.

      But the facts are that global temperatures have risen dramatically the past 100+ years. And I just think it’s funny how so many on here are so strongly opposed to those facts or try to play with the numbers saying temps haven’t risen over the past such and such short-time period… therefore, there has been no warming.

      1. Mike M. says:

        Bdbc, you’re full of crap. It’s taken us 160 years to go up 0.7°C. It was warmer during the Medieval Warm Period. This is one of the many ways we can tell “Travis” is your sock puppet. Only you alone in Kent County thinks that temps have risen “dramatically.”

        1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          Thanks for the bashing. Very cordial. Move along and ignore the long-term trends. Every blog turns into this debate now. Getting old.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2012.svg

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trends_in_global_average_absolute_sea_level,_1870-2008_%28US_EPA%29.png

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        Global temperatures rose in the 80s and 90s. Global temperatures have been steady since 2002. Before that we had a global cooling scare: http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html

        I’m going to add this to the thread, but an interesting read: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/30/it-seems-noaa-has-de-modernized-the-official-death-valley-station-to-use-older-equipment-to-make-a-record-more-likely/

        1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          And what about the 20′s, 30′s, 40′s, 50′s, 60′s, 70′s?

          And why do you think the global sea levels have risen 9″ in the past 90 years? From getting colder and more ice? Oh wait.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Well, it can’t be from melting in the Arctic Ocean. The ice there displaces water and it would be like ice melting in a glass of water. The ice melts, but the water level doesn’t go up. The ice has been increasing in Antarctica since the mid 1980s: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

          “Since 18,000 years ago, sea level has been rising in response to the melting of glacial ice…” http://geology.uprm.edu/Morelock/eustatic.htm

          Peer-reviewed: http://www.jcronline.org/doi/abs/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-10-00157.1 ” “Our first analysis determined the acceleration, a2, for each of the 57 records with results tabulated in Table 1 and shown in Figure 4. There is almost a balance with 30 gauge records showing deceleration and 27 showing acceleration, clustering around 0.0 mm/y2.”

          The near balance of accelerations and decelerations is mirrored in worldwide gauge records as shown in Miller and Douglas (2006)

        3. big Daddy BC says:

          Sea ice is increasing at the South Pole BECAUSE of the warming globe. That’s been clearly documented here. http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.html

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Skeptical science is a far-left advocacy website. Sea-ice is NOT increasing because of so called “global warming”. Annual temperature at the South Pole is not related to CO2: http://www.john-daly.com/stations/amundsen.gif Temperatures in Antarctica are NOT getting warmer and the water surrounding most of Antarctica is COLDER than average: http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2013/anomnight.7.1.2013.gif (look at the blue color around most all of the expanding (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png) Antarctic icecap.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          Look up the word ‘humidity.’

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/opinion/4997/corn-and-climate-sweaty-topic

          We’ve planted the Midwest in corn and soybeans, thereby significantly increasing evapotranspiration. This leads to higher humidity, higher dew points and that leads to higher minimum temperatures. It’s man-made climate change – but it’s not CO2. No scam to be had here.

          Now, go back to your search for the missing heat:

          Climategate email: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

          “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade…” – James Hansen et al.

  29. Mike M. says:

    Imagine if the True Believers of the Church of the Holy Global Warming had to live in the 1930′s

    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/1936-hottest-and-coldest-months-in-us-history/

    Old weather maps and newspaper clippings are fun to read.

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      According to the Global Land-Ocean Index, the 1930′s as a whole were about .8 degrees Celsius cooler (or about 1.5 degrees cooler Fahrenheit).

      So your point is not a good one even though there were some months in the US.

      PS Scary blog you read there. Talk about your bias.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Where did you get that from, Travis? And 1.5 deg. cooler than what? I know much of the Land-Ocean Index is based on a 1951-1980 average…which is deceptive. NOAA generally uses the current 1981-2010 climate normals and the only reason to choose the coldest 3 decades of the century is to force a certain conclusion.

        Also, I’d be skeptical of global temperature data from the 1930s. Global temperature was only measured with a minimum degree of accuracy over about 10% of the globe. And we know land areas were quite warm in the 1930s. 24 of the 50 United States have their all-time hottest temperature from the 1930s – with over 75 years of “global warming”, those records still stand today.

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          If you’re skeptical of data from the ’30s, why then do you continually reference the Dust Bowl? Cherry Picker.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Read what I wrote: “I’d be skeptical of GLOBAL temperature data from the 1930s. GLOBAL temperature was only measured with a minimum degree of accuracy over about 10% of the globe. And WE KNOW land areas were quite warm in the 1930s. 24 of the 50 United States have their all-time hottest temperature from the 1930s – with over 75 years of “global warming”, those records still stand today.”

      2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        It’s a widely followed index right here:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2012.svg

        Once again, the average in the chart doesn’t even matter since the difference between 1930′s and now is the same, regardless.

        Even if you are “skeptical” of data from the 1930′s, you could start at the 1940′s or 1950′s or 1960′s and draw the same conclusion.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          First, the graph clearly shows no warming in the last decade. Second, from the beginning of the graph in 1880 to the present, the graph shows an increase in temperature from -0.21 to +0.56, a rise of about 3/4ths of a degree in 130 years. That wouldn’t be noticeable in a lifetime and it’s well within the range of historical “climate change”. It’s hardly a reason to tax gasoline to $9 a gallon “European levels”.

          Next, you certainly can’t assume that the 3/4 of a degree rise was all because of man’s increase in CO2. Certainly man’s increase in water vapor (transpiration, etc.) has raised dew points and hence raised minimum temperatures (which have risen more than maximum temperatures. Certainly, many weather stations have become urbanized since 1880 (look at Las Vegas – where they may never set another record low temperature. We’ve gone thru a long period of time with both a warm PDO and warm AMO. When the PDO flipped to cold, global temperature leveled off. When the AMO moves to cold phase, it will also have a net downward effect on global temperature.

        2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          1. The graph is in Celsius, so it’s a bigger move than you think. Especially in only 100 years.

          2. There are always short-term periods of “flat.” That does not take anything away from the long-term trend. Not sure why you are so focused on the last decade? Maybe because it’s the only time period that helps your cause?

          3. I said nothing about politics or current energy policies.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          I can think in deg. C – that would be about 1.36 deg. Fahrenheit over 130 years and again, that would be imperceptible in a lifetime and excluding non-CO2 causes of heating, well within normal climate range.

          The reason I emphasize the last 11 years is that the climate models forecast significant warming in these last 11 years than hasn’t happened. Dr. Judith Curry, head of Climate Science at Georgia Tech, has called the climate models “deeply flawed”. Oh, except at Las Vegas, where after 71 years of massive urbanization and a weather station surrounded by asphalt and concrete, we finally had a day as warm as it was in 1942. Hardly a reason to make utility rates “skyrocket” or to tax gasoline to $9 a gallon.

        4. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          5,000 years ago the earth got cooler. Over this period, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit based on scientific data.

          Over the last 100 years, it’s warmed by about 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.

          So I would definitely call this rate of change unprecedented and extremely surprising.

          http://www.npr.org/2013/03/08/173739884/since-end-of-last-ice-age-rates-of-global-warming-amazing-and-atypical

        5. Bill Steffen says:

          It’s a huge leap to suggest that we know within a degree what the GLOBAL temperature was 5,000 years ago. We still don’t have surface temperature records over 75% of the globe (oceans, poles, etc.).

          They’ve had to do a lot of data “adjusting” to fit their template (“use Mike’s TRICK to HIDE THE DECLINE”).

        6. Dan says:

          Wikipedia! Are you serious? Do you know how these work, Travis?
          They are NOT even close to being factual! If this is your only source then, I must say, it is not a RELIABLE one!

        7. big Daddy BC says:

          The reason Bill uses the last decade or three rather than the century average for comparison is because the average is higher. When you compare to the hottest three decades it makes the difference less. It’s a great trick.

        8. Bill Steffen says:

          The reason I use the last 3 complete decades is that NOAA and NASA use the last 3 complete decades. Read: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/normals/usnormals.html. This tends to reduce errors from urbanization of climate sites. Of course, there are still some glaring examples that give the climate record a recent warm bias: http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/22/tucsons-amazing-ushcn-station/ In 1867, this weather station wasn’t in a parking lot. The only reason to use 1951-1980 or 1961-1990 is to include the 1960s and 1970s to make the average look cooler. That’s the only reason.

  30. INDY says:

    Travis u tell them our heat is on………And its fixxeer coming..INDYY..

  31. Dan says:

    Interesting that Big Daddy jumped in on this discussion. Travis no bashing intended. I merely raised the questions as to why you never look at the facts? Bill and DF have presented many of them to you and have even pointed out that your data was wrong. Why take that as bashing? I would be interested in your reply to Bill regarding that temp of the water you quoted. You keep mentioning the word, scary. Is this because you are scared? Please carefully consider the facts. You seem to be running scared and you are unable to reply to someone who disagrees with you. Fact is over the past several hundred years that is zero data to support warming. Please don’t be like the Big Daddy. He resorts to left wing talking points. Guess what those serve to do?

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Your blog that you linked to compares Obama to Hitler. My links are usually backed by the NOAA or NWS. That was my point. Be careful what you read.

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        I have to admit you are finally starting to use the NWS/NOAA tools I have given you ;)

        Now, you just need to stop using wikipedia as a legitimate source…

        1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          If you notice, the graphs linked on Wikipedia come from good sources though that you like, and not from Wikipedia, itself.

          Knew you’d be proud, DF ;)

      2. Dan says:

        wikipedia is not a trusted data source. Are you familiar with how a wikipedia works, Travis?

        1. big Daddy BC says:

          You mean how a ‘wiki’ works, Dan? The point that Travis is making is that you regularly link to political sites and call them science. Bias.

  32. Mark (East Lansing) says:

    Take a moment to say a prayer for the firefighters lost in Arizona. There are 19 grieving families that need our prayers.

  33. DF (SE Mich) says:

    What is black and white is the Las Vegas population:
    1940: 8,000
    2012: 600,000

    Man-made local climate change =)

  34. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    This is funny I thought! Death Valley has duel thermometers going on. One read 128 and another 200 yards away measured 129.9

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0701-record-heat-20130701,0,347105.story

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Thank you for pointing out what Bill/Cort/etc have been trying to tell you this whole thread :)

      1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        haha The big difference is that one thermometer was official NWS and the other was just some park thermometer. My money would be on the NWS one as it probably cost 10 times as much.

        1. mike says:

          Bill you are real good at pointing out old records from some guy standing in the blazing sun in a field in 1919 or some ridiculous date and saying that’s accurate but old NWS machines are a conspiracy. Retire old man, the times have passed you by. 19 firefighters are dead and we are well on our way to ANOTHER horrible wildfire season. Its an average year in GR so global warming doesn’t exist. Get your political crap out of the weather or retire. Nobody wants your old school ideas around here. Face it, you lost the election, Global warming exist, you are the 47% not the majority. RETIRE!

        2. Dan says:

          Holy Moly! What are you trying to say, Mike? Your post is full of contradictions. Are you holding Bill responsible for your inability to write accurately? If you will note the posts, others bring up the political information. Please learn to read and write. Thanks!

        3. Robert(Plainwell) says:

          Great job Mike, you idiot. If we would just let the fires burn what nature wants burnt and not put everything out people wouldn’t be in harms way. Also some of the fires are started by arson. People need to quit building in high fire areas. You just said the main reason behind man made global warming, thermometers were actually located away from buildings and pavement, not so much now.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Mike…Check this link: http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm Through 7/1 – this is the FEWEST number of wildfires/forest fires in at least the last 10 years and the 2nd LOWEST in terms of acreage burned.

        5. big Daddy BC says:

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-burning-problem/2013/07/02/90b2cf96-e370-11e2-aef3-339619eab080_graphic.html

          Yeah, Bill. The trend shows absolutely NO correlation with temperature. LOL Mike’s right. Dan, I love it when you try to rescue Bill from the angry public. Very gallant.

        6. Bill Steffen says:

          Look at the link: http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm The number of fires shows no relation to global or U.S. temperature. Most fires are started by arson or carelessness. Arsonists do not start fewer or more fires depending on when the temperature goes up or down a degree.

          Obama wants to cut firefighting by 31%!! http://www.wlox.com/story/22635505/as-fires-rage-feds-cut-funding-on-prevention Why do you support this?

  35. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Well, it’s official. NWS says Death Valley hit 129 degrees yesterday tying the highest June temperature ever recorded for the US set back in 1902.

    http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/FXC/wxstory.php?wfo=vef&iname=weathergraphic2

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Impressive…five degrees cooler than it was a hundred years ago.

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