Snow in November?

July 10th, 2013 at 2:36 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

First 90 Degree Days from Andy Schut   Click on the graphic to enlarge.  This is from local climatologist and accountant extraordinare, Andy Schut.  It’s the latest dates that G.R. has seen our first 90-degree day.  The only year (going back into the late 1800s) when we have not had a 90-degree day was 1951.  That year we had 2 feet of snow in the first week of November and we went on to the snowiest winter ever in G.R. (144″ downtown and 132″ at the old airport on S. Division near 44th).   The latest that we have actually hit 90 was 1907 and that was August 11.  The next latest was August 3, 1989.  That year we had the 3rd snowiest November and the coldest December ever in G.R.  After that was July 31, 1915 – that year brought above average snowfall in November.  Then comes July 23, 1945 – that year brought above average snowfall in November.  Next comes July 22, 1967.  In 1967, we had 8.4″ of snow in October and 11″ in November.  So…over the last 100 years (not including 1907), all five years with late first 90-degree temperatures had significant and above average snowfall in November.  I do think we’ll make 90 early next week, but looking back thru weather history, you’d have to consider the possibility of early winter snow this year.

50 Responses to “Snow in November?”

  1. Skot says:

    climatologist and accountant???? WAAAAHAHAhahhahahaha. That like saying “Military Intelligence”

  2. Dan says:

    The data certainly supports an earlier snow for this year! We will have to see! Heard that mentioned about this coming winter anyway! It’s July 10 and I’m mentioning snow . Hmmm.

    1. Skot says:

      Yes but how long would it ACTUALLY take, assuming, there is a “Pattern” to weather to really be accurate??

  3. Keith Haley says:

    Like with Michigan weather … it will change .. just wait.

  4. Barry says:

    There is always the chance of early winter it Michigan.

  5. Mark (East Lansing) says:

    It was hot last summer and I remember it being hot in 1988. I’m curious to know if 1906, 1944, 1950, and 1966 were hot as well, relatively speaking.

  6. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Well another day with a high temperature not reaching 90 degrees. Who knew? SNOW in November – FANTASTIC!

  7. INDY says:

    wow still very humid outside cold front must be slowing down…INDYY.

  8. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Poor GR. You guys really want that 90 degree day!

    I don’t think one day’s warmth has anything to do with what the upcoming winter may bring, especially when it’s been a warm summer thus far. That’s like the correlation between the stock market and who wins the Super Bowl. Pure chance.

    I hit 89 degrees yesterday and am now +3.8 above average for July.

    Still looking HOT next week like I alluded to a couple days ago. Guess RJ, I mean Rocky, was wrong again.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Your extreme warm warm weather bias still showing up. This summer has been very nice. A lot of average temperatures and who knew – no 90 degree days yet. Imagine that!

      1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        Irony: being called biased by the most biased and irrational guy on the blog

        1. DF (SE Mich) says:


        2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Just the facts baby. Keep dreaming!

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Flint, flint… what a joke that station is. The MD-80 warming up next to it every morning.

      Detroit +0.6°
      GR +0.8°

      1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        haha Check out Gaylord and Traverse

        Detroit had one or two days where their high was 5-10 degrees less than Flint because of the clouds/rain to the south.

      2. Kevin(Rockford) says:

        I’m afraid to ask where the sensor is located

    3. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      You live in Flint?

      1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

        Flint is the closest NWS station to me. Half hour away.

    4. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      I will agree with Travis on his thinking that if reaching a certain temp can or will dictate the weather down the road. Nor am I a big fan of the so call analog years either. But I do think that once you are in a pattern you will stay in that pattern for a 30 to 60 day time frame is a good way to go.
      Right now I would think that GR has a chance of reaching that elusive 90° day in the next week or so.

  9. Gun Lake Deb says:

    Given this miserable humidity, I find the thought of early snow to be delightful….LOL!!

  10. Yup (Grandville) says:

    Psssshhhhh… Too much fun yet to be talking about snow. Let’s talk about it and the end of October!

  11. DF (SE Mich) says:

    I love random correlations like this. It doesn’t mean it will happen but it is always entertaining.

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      Entertaining, yes

  12. Nathan says:

    I sure hope we don’t hit 90 this summer! It has been perfect so far :)

  13. Zach says:

    Not sure where to stick this but Mesodiscussion for possible watch up to the Michigan/IN Border right now

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Official link… if you care about Indiana:

      1. Scott (robinson twsp) says:


  14. Kevin says:

    I think it should be illegal (not to mention immoral) to talk about that ugly cold season and the evil white stuff, especially when it’s nice and warm. :)

  15. Jeff(Northern Ionia County / Muir) says:

    I for one would be extremely excited to have snow in November. But I would also be extremely happy to have it gone by Janruary.

  16. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Low of 75 degrees in GR overnight. Phew!

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Yikes, they will definitely set the low this evening today.

    2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      And a low of 73 in Flint. How is that possible??

  17. Redd_Leader (Hamilton) says:

    Bring on winter! Best ever please! I want record snow fall, and at least 3 blizzards.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      +1 million!

  18. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    Winter and spring are my favorite seasons because we receive so much extreme weather and large storms. However, the eight day forecast is looking a bit crazy… Sunny and ninety through the entire beginning of next week! I guess it is the warmest time of the year anyways… But still! Bring on the snow Bill!

  19. ~Sandy~ from DeWitt/Clinton County says:

    Wonder when Lansing will hit 90? Yesterday 88!

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      90 is too warm for me – but when it comes with high humidity…. I just cower in the A/C..LOL!!

    2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      I wouldn’t mind if it didn’t at all this year. Yesterday was STEAMY.

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        I would not mind it if the temp never got warmer then 85° nor colder then 50° a high of 80 and a low of 62 ever day all year long would be just great!!! With all of the rain coming between midnight and 5AM
        It would be boring but great weather.

  20. Vincent(N.E.Kent CO) says:

    Almost looks like something is starting to brew. Big clouds building.

  21. Vincent(N.E.Kent CO) says:

    Almost looks like something is starting to brew. Big clouds building now overhead moveing SE.

  22. fixxxer says:

    wow only woodtv would hype up snow in july.

    1. Barry in Zeeland says:

      Ya, next thing you know we’ll be under a “winter whatever warning”. And then…….nothing will happen.

  23. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    Looks like a nice warm week coming up with lots of sun and highs in the upper 80’s …Oh wait it summer time so it should be nice and warm. Also it still looks very warm to hot on our trip next week. No question my wife and me will see several day well into the 90’s and may (hope not) maybe a day or so near 100° or more. As for the upcoming fall/winter I will be in denial until late September on even thinking of cold and snow. BTW how come so many blogers complain about the heat in the summer time but so few complain about the cold in the winter??? Nothing pleasant about being out side in either the very hot nor being out side in the very cold. But that is one of the reasons we live in houses that have air (for a lot of us) and heat (for most of us)
    Enjoy this nice and sunny day.

  24. Dan says:

    I think a point can be mentioned regarding correlating data. I do not believe that there are strong chances for an early snow based upon the later the 90 degree day arrives in the season. However, it is data that you can point to. While it’s reliability may be strongly questioned, you cannot argue that there was more evidence to point to then to just say this is coincidence , right? Otherwise, what would be the reason for tracking this kind of data? We will have to see how the Winter plays out based on getting closer to the season!

  25. MJ says:

    That is just awesome! I live for snow. There is so much joy flying through the dunes on skis. Cheers to a great Winter!

  26. Jack says:

    “SNOW”magedon ???????? ;-)

  27. Jerry hoag says:

    With everyone talking about SNOW already by then you all will be saying I want heat and humidity but here in Michigan we always complain of either other. It is tooooo warm or it is toooooo cold. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Who wins??? Right Bill…….

  28. Steve says:

    The three types of liars – Liars, Damn Liars and Statisticians

  29. Nick says:

    Did I not mention this last July about 88 07 45and 1967 hot summers followed by lots of snow the next year

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