Thursday

January 9th, 2014 at 2:33 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

Lake Michigan ice sunset jack martin   Another fine photo from Jack Martin.  Kudos to Matt Kirkwood, who made The Guardian (newspaper – online) in Great Britain!  From Dr. Ryan Maue:  At midnight Jan 9, Louisiana was completely above freezing — the only state out of 50 (Hawaii had temps. as cold as 18 on the high mountains of the Big Island).  Since January 1, 1979 — Coldest day (on average) over Lower 48 since 1979 was December 22, 1989 at 10.1°F.  From Accu-Weather:  “Weds.  it was 192 degrees warmer in Onslow, Australia (120F) than in Khabyardino, Russia (-72F)!  I haven’t talked about the Northern Lights and the incoming CME (Coronal Mass Ejection).  It takes about 3 days to travel to Earth…so far it’s been quiet this early morning (kp index at 3 as I write this).   Thursday and Friday nights should be cloudy here.  We’ve had just 16% of possible sunshine since Jan. 1.  At midnight the temperature was 13 in Battle Creek and -9 in Marshall, +1 in Ionia and 13 in Grand Rapids.  Tough to forecast that.   International Falls MN has had high temps. below zero now four days in a row.  For Jan. 1-8, the AVERAGE temperature at Intl. Falls has been -16.9.  That’s 21.4 degrees colder than average.

Model update:  NAM (caribou) has a whopping 1/10th inch of snow for G.R. Thurs. night, then rain starts Friday at around 6 pm with a temp. of 32.8.  The ground will still be cold, so we certainly have a chance of icing Friday evening.  The temperature goes up to a max of 37 and G.R. gets 0.66″ of rain.  Temperatures fall Saturday from mid 30s to low 30s and we see the rain change to a very little light snow or drizzle/freezing drizzle.  Now, we go down to 28 by Sun. am and all that rain and slush is going to freeze up – so Sunday am you could see some icy driving.   The GFS plot also has a dusting of snow late Thurs. night -nothing much.   It starts rain earlier, about mid-afternoon on Friday (the earlier start worked last time) and it also has the temp. about 32.5 as the rain starts (still cold enough for some icing, esp. on rural roads, gravel/dirt roads, parking lots and sidewalks).  G.R. gets a total of 1.17″ with the last 1/10th inch or so coming as snow.  The temperature peaks at 39 early Sat. morning and falls to 32 by mid afternoon.  So…it could get real icy for Saturday evening with the temp. by Sunday am at 27 and some very icy spots on roads.   Sunday afternoon is back to the mid-upper 30s, so conditions improve.   It’s windy Saturday, maybe a gust or two to 30 mph.    We get 1/10th inch of mixed precipitation Sunday night and temperatures fall to the mid 20s by Mon. PM.  The model has an inch or two of light snow Tues. and snow showers Weds. and Thurs.   Some colder air around the 17th-18th, but not as cold as this last batch.    The Ruropean model takes the G.R. temp. to 41 Saturday am and gives G.R. 0.84″ of precipitation which would be almost all rain and maybe an inch of snow at the end.  The Euro. takes G.R. to 32 Sun. AM. and back to 40 Sun. PM.  The colder days are Weds. the 16th and then the following Sat. when the next Arctic blast arrives (the 18th).

136 Responses to “Thursday”

  1. TomKap (Michigan St. & Fuller) Grand Rapids says:

    Only 101 days til SPRING!!

  2. Dan says:

    How do you get 101 days, Tom? Doesn’t Spring officially begin on March 21st? I count 72 day until then! Actually the end of meterological winter is March 1st. Looks like we warm up a little before the next cool down around Tuesday! Bill says another arctic blast on the 18th! Winter just keeps right on a rolling! Are we officially at 55 inches of snow in GR?

  3. Dan says:

    Does the JEM show a possible snow storm around the 16th or 17th? Rocky and kevin w what do you guys see for our chances at another decent snow storm?

  4. Dan says:

    Record breaking snows this Winter! Do you think it is a good idea to invest in another snow blower?

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      How many do you need? LOL

  5. Dan says:

    Mark: I meant that I bought one about 9 years ago. It hasn’t worked since the first year I owned it. I was being a bit sarcastic and also trying to determine what is a decent one to buy that is not outrageous in the price!

    1. BigCountry(Wyoming, MI) says:

      Most likely just bad gas in the carburetor, fuel line, and gas tank. That can be fixed a lot cheaper than buying a new one! Either take it in to a small engine repair shop or dealer like Tom DeYoungs comes to mind. If youre going to get rid of it and buy a new one, I may be interested in buying it!

      1. Dan says:

        Big Country: It doesn’t even move the snow. I bought the demo model from Meijer back then. It used to move the some snow. It gets clogged and never works properly after that. I’m talking it’ll get clogged with about 2 to 3 inches of snow. Live and learn!

        1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          I bought a used 8hp electric start Toro dual stage from a small engine repair shop for $150 about 15 years ago. I drain the gas, change the oil and sparkplug every year. It has never failed me. Oh and I spray the chute and auger with WD-40 before each use and it seems to help it from clogging.

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      Well, 20 years ago, I bought a Honda single-stage snowthrower. We’ve worn out a set of rubber auger blades and skidbar (which were easily replaced) and we’ve broken the auger axle due to sucking in rocks – but the thing runs like a champ and clears snow like crazy. Cheap? No – BUT: I guess not very expensive if you look at how long it has lasted and how well it has performed.

  6. shelbyville says:

    I imagine the roads that have a ton of snowpack are going to be impossible to drive on by Sunday afternoon. Especially the gravel roads…

  7. BIG MAC says:

    that pot head sw kent says in 6 days now green grass will be showing

    1. INDY says:

      lol! INDYY

  8. DF (SE Mich) says:

    There are quite a few new persona’s floating around in the last 24 hours…

    It is down right COLD in A2 again this morning! Down to -15°… yikes. That is one crazy stretch, -16, -16, -15…

    1. BigCountry(Wyoming, MI) says:

      Wow DF, definitely no lake moderation there! I made it down to a balmy 5° between clouds.

    2. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      For some reason ever now and then there are “new” personas that pop up on this blog….I think some people have more personas then they have underwear.
      SlimJim

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        I expect them to be gone soon, just like most of them we’ve seen over the years.

        1. INDY says:

          Lots of folks sit back and smoke some mean green and like the weather it’s ok!!!! INDYY

      2. suehelen says:

        This is my original persona and I’ve had it for a long time. I’ve been reading the blog for quite awhile but finally got the nerve to post a bit. You guys are a hard clique to break into. I think a lot of people leave because they don’t feel welcome.

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          Gosh – I hope there’s not a clique, because I’m usually one on the outside looking in? ;-) Just jump in – most of the REAL people here are really nice! The trolls? Ignore ‘em.

        2. Dan says:

          Yes, you are welcome here suehelen.
          Many times that is quite the difference of opinion! I wouldn’t call that a clique, just a bunch of people that think they’re right. It can be kind of entertaining at times.

        3. DF (SE Mich) says:

          sue, we aren’t talking about you, I promise. I can count about 5 new names in the last two days that have nothing informative to add. That is where the comments are directed.

        4. suehelen says:

          Thanks, guys! I do feel welcome here. I’ve learned a lot too and it’s one of my regular “stops”. :-)

  9. DF (SE Mich) says:

    WOW!!! Flint hit -16° this morning 5th COLDEST TEMP ALL TIME! That destroyed the old daily record low by 8°.

    1. BigCountry(Wyoming, MI) says:

      That’s impressive! I also liked the stat Bill put on a thread yesterday where a place in Alabama crushed their previous record low high temp by 9 degrees. That’s some seriously cold air.

    2. yooper4021 says:

      Not quite International Falls, but Marquette is 16.4 below average for first 8 days of January. They had a 66 hour stretch of <= zero temps. Also, yesterday marked only the 2nd day in the last 52 where they did not record at least a trace of snowfall.

  10. BigCountry(Wyoming, MI) says:

    One thing to watch, if we don’t get a nice slow thaw or a few thaws to get the snow down by spring, we could be looking at some decent chances of spring flooding with the water content we’ll have especially after this snow absorbs an ich of rain and locks it right up.
    Also, hopefully the big buildings with flat roofs (Meijer, Walmart, Target, and even CVS, Walgreens type buildings) don’t have any roof collapses with the coming rain being held in by all the snow.

    1. BigCountry(Wyoming, MI) says:

      To clarify,
      Couple that first spring flooding scenario with a big warm rain maker this spring with an additional inch or two of rain was more of what I was thinking, not just our snow melting.

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        Depending on how much snow and the water content of that snow we could be looking as some serious flooding issues this spring. Not sure we are there yet but if we get a couple more big snow storms we very well could. Remember this snow pack covers almost off of lower Michigan so the whole states river systems are involved.
        SlimJim

  11. INDY says:

    A Little rain and temps in the mid 30′s will not melt over 30 inches of snow and 4 foot drifts!!!! Some of u are crazy!! INDYY

    1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      It will not even melt the 14 to 17″ that most people have on the ground. But it will make it settle down a lot and make it much heaver. and what is left of it when it dose get cold again (in a week or so) will make it more like ice then snow.
      SlimJim

    2. DJ2450 says:

      Temps in the mid 30′s will melt all the snow if it were to last a month or two. lol

      1. Kent County says:

        Indy, nobody has 30 inches on the ground. And by 4 foot drifts, do you mean snowbanks?

    3. whatBillwantstosaybutcant says:

      Gay

    4. suehelen says:

      It’s going to make rural and back roads a slippery mess. Yuck.

    5. Tim B says:

      Indy, nobody has 30 inches on the ground. And by 4 foot drifts, do you mean snowbanks?

    6. Tim B says:

      Indy, nobody has 30 inches on the ground. And by 4 foot drifts, do you mean snowbanks??

    7. GunLakeDeb says:

      But Indy – around here (and presumably in the cities, too – ANY water has nowhere to go? I’ll bet most storm sewers are buried in snow; and the snowbanks will keep meltwater ON the road because it has nowhere to run off :-( My street feels like driving through a mountainous canyon…. there are 6′ snow piles everywhere.

  12. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    A couple of issues to think about as we head into this warmer wet weekend! First off is the amount of rain that could all on all of the snow we have. As others have stated the rain will make the snow heaver and while the newer snow (on top of the older snow) some what dry and lighter its for the most part heaver then pure lake effect snow. So as we get the rain the snow will get heaver on roofs and such. Next issue is that the ground is and will still be very cold and there is lots and lots of snow and ice even on some of the more “main roads” so there will be a lot of slippery spots. If you think ice is slippery (it is) ice with water on top of it is even slipperier, Just yesterday I had a hard time getting up a small hill just on Collage street just south of Michigan and that’s right in the center of town! And as of last night most of the cities streets still had lot ice and snow on them and side streets many are just plowed one lane. As they still had (Have) parked cars on them. And one more issue…just where is all this rain water going to go??? Most of the city drains are either under snow or snow banks. I know water has a tendency of finding the drains but none the less there will be a lot of standing water if we get over one inch of rain on top on the snow we now have.
    SlimJim

    1. Haanstar (walker) says:

      This weekend has the potential to make it a mess, I am just hoping every forecast is wrong and it shows up as all snow:)

  13. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    BTW its now up to 12° here with some light snow falling just a trace but its has covered the outside car.
    SlimJim

  14. kevin. w says:

    Here’s what we do in our neighborhood when we have heavy rain events. We have developed a group of people that go around and help unclog storm drains so the water can go down. This helps the whole area so that in winter it can drain, not freeze up and also prevent accidents at corners. Also helps out our basements and yards so not to get alot of water buildup plus helps out the city workers. I have seen two big front end loaders this morning trying to clear out the big piles of snow at the corners.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      That’s what it’s going to take – responsibility on individuals’ parts to give that water an “exit”. People know what’s in front of their homes: if it’s a storm sewer – dig it out. If it’s a fire hydrant, dig that out, too (for your OWN safety)

  15. INDY says:

    I t has been snowing since Saturday now and some of u are talking about rain hahaha!! roll another!!!! INDYY

  16. SW Kent says:

    INDYYY….how many inches on your ground? 30 or so?

  17. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Kind of a backhanded compliment for Handsome Matt in that article…

    “The hottest trend among local news stations involves sending whichever reporter is least liked around the office out into the cold with a wet shirt, to time how long it takes for it to freeze solid.”

    That’s all right Matt, we all like you. :-)

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Oh no!! Poor Matt – yes, we DO like Matt!! :-)

  18. Jen says:

    Really not looking forward to Saturday. Our Christmas party was cancelled due to the ice storm and rescheduled for Saturday. We live on a dirt private drive that connects to another dirt road at the bottom of two hills, perfect huh. They’re both still very icy and I bet we won’t get up the hill to get out to the party. Why rain. Snow would be nice.

    1. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Yeah, I remember a set up somewhat like this a year or two ago. It hadn’t been as cold, and there wasn’t as much snow, and we had a couple of days with rain and temps in the upper 30′s and low 40′s and the country dirt roads were just an icy, almost impassable mess for 2 or 3 days.

  19. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Does anyone have records on just weather stations? Port Huron hit -20° this morning, I’m wondering if that is a record.

    1. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Don’t know about that, but….

      Ginger Zee ‏@Ginger_Zee 3h
      Flint, MI has SMASHED their record low this morning… currently -15! Let’s talk about it next on @GMA

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        They hit -16° officially.

    2. Jim S (Saugatuck Twp) says:

      The Times Herald may have records…that is the local paper up there.

    3. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

      here are the some records for what is reported for Port Huron
      http://weather-warehouse.com/WeatherHistory/PastWeatherData_PortHuron_PortHuron_MI_January.html

      SlimJim

  20. INDY says:

    IT’S COLD!! IT’S WINTER!!! IT’S INDYY!!!

    1. Jack says:

      Right Nice, Out Side TODAY !! Sunshine and Blue Sky’s.White Glistening Snow on all The Trees. Breath Taking Views of The Power and Beauty of Winter in My Home State of Pure Michigan ! And as Michigan always Does…Wait a Day ( or Less) And that Will CHANGE. ALL in ALL a GREAT DAY, To WAKE & BAKE ( wink,wink)))) STAY CUED!!!! & BAKED!!!

  21. Mike Sabaitis says:

    Bill,
    Often, during the weather report a shot of the airport terminal is shown as a backdrop during the current conditions summary. It looks like a webcam shot from near the radar position. Is that webcam available on the internet? I have always been curious about that. Thanks, in advance, for your reply.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The camera that we often show is on the south end of the airport and faces northeast. We do not have it online at the present time, but hope to eventually do that.

  22. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    I posted this in the ice thread, but for those interested here it is on the current blog thread as well:

    Here’s the facts on the ice coverage. Currently, if you look at all the Great Lakes, we’re at ice levels not seen since 1994. Reports that it’s as bad as the 80′s or 70′s are entirely false.

    Also, as seen on the chart below, we are very close to the same ice levels at this time of year seen in 1996, 2001, and 2011. After the coming warm up, we may very well be eclipsed by at least these years as well in terms of ice coverage.

    This also marks the first time in the last three years ice is currently above the long-term average.

    Since 2002, there have been 9 times that ice was below average by this point of winter. Compare this with only 4 times in which ice was above average.

    This means the short-term trend, as well as the long-term trend, are not up… but are actually down.

    http://iceweb1.cis.ec.gc.ca/Prod20/page3.xhtml

    Full written summary found on Jeff Masters blog.

    1. yooper4021 says:

      Here fishy, fishy, fishy….

      1. Cliff(Scotts) says:

        Your point?

        1. yooper4021 says:

          Whose point?

        2. Cliff(Scotts) says:

          Travis!!!

        3. yooper4021 says:

          Sorry…thought you replied to me.

          Good luck getting an answer to your question from him. Hear those crickets chirping???

        4. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          Just the facts, Jack

    2. Jack says:

      January 9, 2014 at 2:16 pm
      Well My Oh…My !!! Travis is Whistilng Dixe AGAIN ::::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNtMpPFM7M0 NOW That’s A FACT JACK ( yes, Pun Intended) !! Lol….stay CUED !!! For MORE Facts from BILL !!!! Not traavvvis ….
      ;-)

    3. John (Holland) says:

      Implying 10 or 20 years constitutes a “long term” trend.

    4. DF (SE Mich) says:

      The first seven words should have stopped you…

    5. KevinS Exit 41 Saugatuck says:

      Your point? Tell that to the captains of the ships having to break through it. I’d take there word over any random blog your using….

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        Many captains saying this is the worst in 60 years!

    6. Bill Steffen says:

      Fact: For about a month, the ice cover on the Great Lakes was higher than at any time since 1989. We had a 5-day thaw that bounced us down a few places. Now, the Arctic cold is coming back, ice cover will grow fairly rapidly and we’ll be back to a 25-year high (and considering the latest GFS) and maybe the most ice since 1979. You can follow Great Lakes ice cover here: http://iceweb1.cis.ec.gc.ca/Prod20/page3.xhtml

      Jeff Masters, his Weather Underground and MSNBC are all part of the same parent company…when the ice gets thick and extensive, you either won’t see anything from Jeff Masters, or he’ll blame the cold on “Climate Change”. Of course, it used to be “global warming” until someone noticed the warming stopped – so they had to change terminology in mid-stream. But this is what they predicted: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

      The steady global temps. since 2002 – the extreme cold – that’s NOT what they predicted – NOT what they forecast. Human and animal mortality peaks in winter and it’s a great hardship to many when we have winters with extended periods of Siberian cold.

  23. WswPlz says:

    Con’t – MORE COLD AND SNOW!!!!!

    1. John says:

      Another INDY on the blog!

  24. Dan says:

    Travis, What are you trying to say with this? Are you trying to say that we are headed towards an ice age? Just curious as to the point you are trying to make!
    Thanks for posting.

    1. INDY says:

      Nothing better to post because it’s still cold outside!! INDYY

    2. yooper4021 says:

      Crickets….

      1. INDY says:

        Snap crack and smoke!! INDYY

        1. Jack says:

          Indy…CALL HENRY HERE :::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uoDxgviffc. StaY…Cued..My Friend ;-)

    3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Travass is a very sick person. You can believe a word that he says!

    4. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      What’s the point of facts on a weather blog?

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Hey, we love facts…like the fact that global temperatures have held steady since 2002 (NASA data): http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Yeeeeesh – we really don’t need more snow….. my plow guy is running out of places to put it…

    1. yooper4021 says:

      Good website, I’ll bookmark that one. Thanks Slim

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Thanks slim. I think I am seeing that the -20° is another all time record low despite some saying the contrary yesterday.

  25. WswPlz says:

    Have been reading your blog Bill S. Since I moved hear from San Diego in Feb. of last year. Have not posted on this blog before, but I wanted to thank you for providing a forum in which one can get a wide range of information. Not only from the knowledgable people that post on your blog but the fact that you take the time to respond as an accomplished Met. Thanks again Bill!!

  26. Tom in Alger Heights says:

    Just started to snow at the office (44th St & Broadmoor). Was hoping to finish scrapping the driveway down before the rain on Friday.

  27. Glenn (Portage) says:

    Heavy snow and big flakes coming down here! but very short lived

  28. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

    DF (SE Mich) wrote, “There are quite a few new persona’s floating around in the last 24 hours…I expect them to be gone soon, just like most of them we’ve seen over the years”

    I am one of them. (When I reinforced someone’s warning about weight on roofs.)

    I started reading the “Comments” section here because of the two recent storms. I found most of youse guys’ comments informative and very enjoyable. This is actually a good group here. I especially appreciated the sense of humor. And I learned a lot from you folks.

    I returned to SW Michigan about four years ago. (I moved back here when I retired.) When I lived here long ago, farmers told me that Craig James was their “go to guy” for weather forecasts. I suspect that Bill Steffen has taken his place?

    Anyway, I will now back away. I will “be gone soon” as DF put it. I will return to socio-economic, political and Middle Eastern sites. But I may return at the next major storm.

    Misc. thoughts from my short time here:

    Because weather conditions can vary over short distances, I found it very helpful to know where commenters live, where they were posting from. (I failed at that myself.) Consider including your location in your posting name. (I live in Fennville, in western Allegan County. About six miles from Lake Michigan.)

    There are many sites where the regular commenters are…well…known “regular commenters”. So when they use abbreviations and acronyms, their fellow regulars understand the meanings. For a typical, popular blog site’s comments section, such as Bill Steffen’s, there is a very large multiple of readers versus those who actually post comments.

    So at least keep that in mind. That is, if you over-use acronyms/abbreviations, you are limiting your audience. A large number of readers won’t know what you are talking about.

    But don’t get me wrong. Again, I found these comment sections to be very informative and enjoyable.

    See you guys when the next major storm approaches.

    Oh, yeah. Someone here wondered about the flat roofs at Walmart, Meijer and other chain stores. One Walmart store here in Michigan already caved in from the weight of the snow. Fortunately, no one was hurt.

    I imagine it will get worse if there is significant rain Friday night.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      The acronyms can be tough…LOL!! Here’s a site that helped me a bit: it’s the “Forecast Discussion” from the Grand Rapids Nat’l Weather Service
      http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=GRR&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1
      This explains what the meteorologists are thinking – but the best part is that any blue underlined terms (often acronyms or conjoined words) can be clicked, and you’ll get a “definition box” at the top of the page!

    2. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Welcome. It wasn’t directed toward the informative newcomers, I apologize if you thought so. Look for the non-sense from the last two days, that is who we chat about every now and then.

    3. Jack says:

      Ya..All COME BACK Now..Hear ?? Stay CUED!!!

    4. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      It’s too bad there are some who like to be bullies

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        Yeah, like those in the Obama administration who used the IRS to target political opponents…shameful. Read this from the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/irs-targets-conservative-groups/

  29. Brian(Grandville) says:

    GR NWS update has most of us getting 1/2-1″ of rain Friday evening into the night. I wonder how much snow that will melt.

    1. John says:

      Not that much because the ground is still very frozen and the surface temps will be below freezing so the snow will soak in the rain and become a heavier packing snow, and thank goodness most of the rain will come at night when the temps are lower, so little if any snow melt but could cause some serious problems on those back roads and parking lots and where storm drains are not clears could also mean serious flooding

      1. Jack says:

        Yeah , I Don’t Believe That it Will ” Break The Levee ” ! See ” HEAR” Cue:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s. Stay Cued !

      2. SW Kent says:

        John. Little if any snowmelt???
        Are you serious?

        1. yooper4021 says:

          Looking at my point forecast through Monday afternoon and NWS is showing no better than 35 degrees except for a 12 hour window in the upper 30s overnight Friday. We will get some snow settling and melting due to the rain, but those temps aren’t conducive to a massive melt.

  30. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Remember that today, in 2014, the tip of the hockey stick, was the day when the most abnormally warm climate station in Michigan recorded it’s 5th coldest temperature ever. A historic day indeed.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      Sprawl, urban heat island, MD-80 effect, etc… just imagine how cold it would have been back in the 1900′s!

    2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Broken record?

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        records – plural, Travis. Read this: Record lows were set at both Detroit and Flint with both locations observing a low of -14 on January 6th, breaking previous records of -7 (1924) and -5 (1945), respectively.

        Record lows were again set at both Detroit and Flint with both locations observing a low of -14 on January 7th, breaking previous records of -5 (1942) and -10 (1986), respectively.

        Saginaw also broke a low temperature record on both January 6th and 7th, recording -9 and -11 degrees breaking the old records of -8 (1912) and -9 (1912), respectively.

        Wow, even FLINT broke their record by 9 degrees!

        1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          Daily record, sure. No all-time records.

          Nothing too remarkable about the cold wave.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Adrian’s -18 was an all-time record, though I don’t know how long that station has been there. If you want to look at all-time records…nothing stands out like the heat waves of the 1930s (more than 75 years ago): http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/07/12/the-heat-wave-of-1936/

  31. GunLakeDeb says:

    Regarding the Northern Lights: were they not out, early this morning?? I let my dog out around 5 AM, and though we had hazy clouds, I could see a definitely green “glow” low on the northern horizon. I assumed it was the Northern Lights; I don’t normally see a green reflection off the clouds looking that direction…

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      OK – answering my own question – many news sources said they could be visible last night, so I’m sure that’s what I was seeing.

    2. Jack says:

      G.L. Deb : The KPindex was very Low Last Night last I checked on ,!! Speaking of GREEN , Here is a Nice Picture of ” GREEN” Northern Lights , That this OLD HIPPIE ENJOYED . LOL….. :: http://growinghelp.com/buy_seeds/northern_lights.jpg stay Cued !

  32. WswPlz says:

    Are we only going to get dusting with this, as per the NWS. Btw I drove down through Grandville last night and wow you guys have a lot of snow, much more then Cedar. Lucky

  33. WswPlz says:

    So Jack, what do we have in store since you seem to have the model which is on the money lately. I know I’m new to the blog so I hope you don’t mind me asking( just a snow storm junky ) all though I have been reading this blog every day since Feb 13. So it feels like I am familiar with the cast, however it sure has changed characters from the spring/summer. Lol

    1. Jack says:

      **** JEM Model **** UPDATE **** January 18th, Is LOOKING Like Our Next Big SNOWSTORM*** With COLDER Temps. Than This Last ARTIC BLAST.****** Mark it DOWN on Your Calendar TODAY**** JEM will Be Back SOON With More 2 SAY::::: STAY CUED !!! ( disclaimer Notice))). JEM Model Updates & CUES, are available ONLY **** BILL’S BLOG!!! :-)

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        The JEM is a gem of a model and I already have it marked down! Get ready to ROCK n ROLL!

  34. WswPlz says:

    although, rather…. Woops

  35. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I’ve got some bad news and some good news for you! First the bad news; we will be seeing some rain that will melt a little SNOW this weekend. Now for the good news: we will be getting hammered with COLD and SNOW the rest of this winter! This will give you an idea of what is to come!

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/814temp.new.gif

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/814prcp.new.gif

    Bring on the next POLAR VORTEX baby!

    1. yooper4021 says:

      I don’t know Rocky… Some think we might be mowing our lawns next week.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        In their fantasy dreams maybe :)

  36. John says:

    SW Kent even storm team 8 says it will soak in to the snow, note they have no mention of snow melt or at least serious snow melt, you don’t understand that the ground is still frozen and surface temps or below freezing, so therefor snowmelt would be low and most of it would settle by a few inches but we will not be seeing our grass anytime soon

      1. SW Kent says:

        ok, go measure your snow depth in your yard.
        I just measured 16 inches on the level in BC.
        I predict we will go under 8 by Tuesday, losing more than half our snow.
        How much is on your level?

        1. John says:

          Hmmm, you said a day ago that we would see our grass by then, now we will have 8″ left, your crazy!

        2. John says:

          Also we aren’t losing any snow it’s just going to settle, 8″ seems reasonable

        3. michael g (SE GR) says:

          I would say compacting or settling, not losing. The iceberg that remains may well be around into March.

        4. Dan says:

          Yep, you even just about guaranteed it SW Kent!
          My opinion we will lose some of the snow but to see the grass?
          We are talking 13-14 inches of snow sitting on top of about 1/2 inch of ice. The ground beneath it has been frozen for several days. We will lose about 2 or 3 inches. This all depends on how long we stay above freezing and how much rain we actually get!

  37. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Can you say the storm track is headed right at MI? SNOW, SNOW and more SNOW!! I love it!

    http://wxcaster4.com/cfs/NORTH-AMERICA_CFS-NODE1_SFC_45DAY-ACCUM-PRECIP_180HR.gif

    1. michael g (SE GR) says:

      You may know this, but while the link you posted shows it as a 180HR total, it’s actually a 1080HR total, 45 days.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Yes the 45 day precip map – if all SNOW we are looking at about 6 feet!!!!!!!!!

  38. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Don’t forget GR is headed for 100+ inches of SNOW this winter! ROCK n ROLL will never die baby. Get ready people!

  39. WswPlz says:

    That does look like good percentages for cold and snow in our near future. What about any specific storm systems on the horizon. I know you have gad a pretty good run so far calling some of our synoptic snow systems. Obviously the one for the week of the 7th isn’t going to pan out, to warm, but anything coming with the Artic blast next week?? Thanks Rocky, and anyone who would like to jump in…… Scot, Cort, Jack, U. Sparky…etc

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      The JEM model says the end of next week and that is all you need to know!

  40. WswPlz says:

    I like that graphic!!! Would rather it track a bit more to the north. That is a long way out… Thanks for the info.

  41. WswPlz says:

    Only place to you will find grass this winter won’t be found in your front yard, maybe the back yard. :)

  42. WswPlz says:

    I can’t type sorry.

  43. TomKap (Michigan St. & Fuller) Grand Rapids says:

    Thanks, Dan…my bad! You are correct! ONLY 72 DAYS TIL SPRING!
    I have NO idea what I was thinking April 21, instead of March 21.
    Blame it on old age…or the fact I didn’t do that well in college! ;)

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