Few Showers Tonight – Wednesday

April 30th, 2014 at 2:12 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

Local   We’ll leave radar at the top…a few more showers and sprinkles this PM…no storms like we had yesterday that produced 2″ diameter hail in N. Montcalm Co.  Low 60s inland this afternoon, though the winds swing a bit more southwest off Lake Michigan and that’ll keep things cool at the lakeshore the next few days.   Looks like a cool start to May.

Fiery Train Derailment in Lynchburg VA.

Also, the Louisville MS tornado has been given a preliminary rating of high end EF4 with winds of 170-190 mph.  Tornado video – debris raining downAerial view of the Baxter Springs KS tornadoNeighborhood wiped out in Vilonia AR.   Tornado tracks from Sunday/Monday.  On a lighter note:  Solar Halo in Sweden.


Links: Grand Rapids radar, Northern Indiana radar, Chicago radar, Detroit radar and Milwaukee radar. Here’s regional radar, the College of DuPage Radar Map (pick any radar in the U.S.), College of DuPage Grand Rapids radar, GFS snowfall for the next 120 hours and NAM model snowfall for the next 84 hours. the West Michigan Lightning Tracker, National Lightning Tracker, the local warning/advisory map and the National warning/watch/advisory map, and a surface weather map. You can checkout the latest Grand Rapids NWS discussion, the Northern Indiana NWS discussion (includes the Michigan Counties that border Indiana), the discussion for Northern Lower Michigan, and Eastern Lower Michigan. Check out Storm Total Precipitation (until they reset it). Here’s the Spyglass Condos Weather Station the S. Haven GLERL station, the Muskegon GLERL station, the Grand Haven Steelheaders webcam and weather station, and the weather station at Holland State Park. Check out the Maranatha Webcam at Lake Michigan and links to webcams. Here’s the infrared satellite loop (night) and the visible satellite loop (daytime), Lake Michigan water temperatures (summer). Here’s storm reports from SW Michigan, Northern Michigan, NE Illinois, SE. Wisconsin, Upper Michigan and E. Michigan. Check out the wind and wave height at the South Mid-Lake Michigan Buoy (Apr. to Nov. only), the North Mid-Lake Michigan Buoy (Apr. to Nov. only), the buoy at Big Sable Point near Ludington, the weather station at Manistee Harbor and the weather station on the beach at St. Joseph. Here’s Michigan wind gusts from MesoWest, data from the MAWN agricultural weather stations and Weather Underground (data at the bottom from private weather stations). Check out the webcam at Krupp’s Resort, where they are pushing toward 3 feet of snow on the ground. Check out the cold temps. on the U.S. Low Temperature map. Here’s the morning run of the NAM forecast snow amounts. Here’s a live look at the Houghton Bridge. Here’s the Consumers Energy Power Outage Map. Here’s Closings.

164 Responses to “Few Showers Tonight – Wednesday”

  1. Dan (Byron Center) says:

    I watched some rather impressive lightning yesterday. Wow. Thankful for no Tornados here. Praying and thinking about all those in the areas that were just devastated the last couple of days! I cannot even imagine what that must be like, especially losing a loved one.

  2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:


  3. Resourceful Nana says:

    Incredible winds here yesterday afternoon, but only a couple drops of rain and no thunderstorms.
    The biggest event at our house was the unpleasant discovery when I got home from work that we had had uninvited guests sometime during the day. They rummaged through everything and found a little cash and “weapons” (if you call a BB gun and souvenir Samari swords weapons) and ran off with our fire safe of important documents. That’s what I greeted my husband with when he returned about 20 minutes later from being gone three weeks!

    1. Brian (Grandville) says:

      Thats horrible, sorry to hear about your losses. Most break in’s do occur in mid afternoon.

    2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Sorry to hear of your house getting broken into. Did your husband and your parents run into any bad weather on their way back to Michigan?

      1. Resourceful Nana says:

        Feels pretty weird to be in the news over a lost BB Gun and a few other things. And ironic that my husband (retired) is usually home during the day and would have been if the event had taken place one day later.
        As far as my parents and husband and their weather coming home: after the snow they drove through on Saturday, they had wind and some rainy periods, but fortunately, nothing severe to deal with.

        1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

          I seen your break-in on Woodtv web site. Glad they had a safe journey home.

    3. GunLakeDeb says:

      That’s awful…. hope the police find the robbers…..

  4. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Hit 75 degrees yesterday and had a severe storm roll through. Last week everyone was afraid we wouldn’t see another 70 degree day for a long time. Well, that didn’t last long ha

    WeatherTrends still showing the big warm up for next week. Up to 86 degrees. We’ll see.

    1. DF (SE Mich) says:

      The latest GFS is showing the warm too. I hope it comes through because May will start out cold.

      1. Rad (Jenison/Hudsonville) says:

        1 Can only hope for warmer weather in MI.

        1. kevin. w says:

          You may have to keep hoping all though I think will have a decent summer just not a hot one. Plus its looking like a battle zone of severe weather through the summer and think that the storm outlook on the map should be pushed a little farther south with the battle zone near by.


        2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:


  5. Ken Cook says:

    The NAM snowfall forecast came up with a map from Dec. 2013. How do I get something current?

  6. kevin. w says:

    I meant to say farther north not south.

  7. H&L says:

    I love how Bill only post links from Joe B and Ryan M… Bill these guys have an agenda and by only posting their twitter feeds it looks like you have an agenda..Do you?

    Also the average temps for Detroit over the next two weeks go from 64 to 69, so if anything those graphs show exactly average temps. I’m sick of this spining BS.

    Seriously quit with the agendas on both sides.

    1. Brian (Grandville) says:

      When it actually gets hot, we can talk about it being hot. Sound good.

      1. H&L says:

        I dont want to talk about it being hot it has not been hot. I want to stop the spinning BS. The fact is April has been average that is what we should be reporting a near normal month exciting or not that is the truth.

        I think Joe B and Ryan M have an agenda and people buy the crap they sell. They are doing it just to get money and attention, same as the alarmest on the other end. If Bill posted links from Climate change alarmest that took snapshots of warm places and tried to shove that down peoples throats I would call BS on that too.

        1. Scott (robinson twsp) says:

          It appears you have a different agenda.

        2. H&L says:

          Sott please inform me what you think my agenda is?

          if pointing out the bias of biased individual then yes I have an agenda.

        3. Brian (Grandville) says:

          I guess when it’s only average there really isn’t much to talk about. What fun would that be.

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          H & L – I know you guys have had a tough winter. The cold and snow get in way of “The Cause” (as it was put in the Climategate emails). Truth is, Joe and Ryan did a pretty good job with their winter and spring forecasts. On the other hand the predictions of the CAGW alarmists have been increasingly incorrect. From Hansen’s repeated forecasts of more frequent and stronger El Ninos (Super Ninos) http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/comments-on-the-jim-hansen-spuper-el-nino-prediction/ to the numerous climate models that the UN is using to try and push economic redistribution of wealth (away from the U.S.): http://www.climatedialogue.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Figure-2-Pielke.jpg

          The American Physical Society is moving away from CAGW: http://judithcurry.com/2014/02/19/aps-reviews-its-climate-change-statement/ This is from Dr. Robert Brown, professor of Physics at Duke Univ:

          “Most of the skeptics do not “deny” AGW, certainly not the scientists or professional weather people (I myself am a physicist)…What they challenge is the catastrophic label and the alleged magnitude of the projected warming on a doubling of CO_2. They challenge this on rather solid empirical grounds and with physical arguments and data analysis that is every bit as scientifically valid as that used to support larger estimates, often obtaining numbers that are in better agreement with observation.”

          It’s easy for you to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as “having an agenda”. It’s harder to responsibly challenge their data and/or methods.

    2. kevin. w says:

      Joe B is a cold weather nut and personally I think he likes to talk bad about other sites and people in not so many words on his Weatherbell site.

    3. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      The cold weather nuts stick together. Has always been that way on this blog.

      I don’t take Bastardi or his hand puppet Ryan M seriously either.

      From September to May, this blog focuses on snow in the UP for better or worse.

      1. kevin. w says:

        Got that straight Travis.

      2. Bill Steffen says:

        I challenge either of you guys to provide some evidence that Dr. Maue has published anything that is not scientifically valid.

    4. Rodey (Rockford) says:

      +1 gazillion trillion million

    5. GunLakeDeb says:

      That’s nice for Detroit. MEANWHILE, here in West Michigan, it has been cold, with the exception of a handful of delightful days. The farmers can’t plant; trees are budding late; and I’m worried that my bat colony is getting enough to eat because they’ve GOT to be starving yet there are no bugs for them to eat.

      So yes, the topic at hand is “cold”. It’s not spin.

      1. H&L says:

        That is just not true April will almost exactly be average for GR.

        look at the numbers.

        1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          Grand Rapids is -0.3 for the month. I really don’t think that will change with today’s weather. So that will mean six consecutive months with below average temperatures.

        2. GunLakeDeb says:

          I looked at the numbers – ran my own set by adding the temps and dividing by 30. NO BIAS – just math. GR was down .8 degrees avg for the highs; and down 1.2 degrees avg for the lows.

    6. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

      I published a daily newsletter (via email) for 10 or 12 years. I covered whatever subjects happened to interest me on that particular day. If anyone wasn’t interested in the subjects I covered (or my opinions), they either ignored them or asked to be removed from my mailing list. And I made it clear that if anyone wanted to be taken off the mailing list that I would take zero offense. Not everyone has the same interests (or opinions) that I do.

      Bill’s blog is essentially the same. He covers subjects and provides links that interest him. He expresses his own opinions. If anyone doesn’t like it, they should just stop reading it. He will not and should not stop covering any subject or voicing his opinions just because someone doesn’t like it.

      This blog is Bill’s “home”, so to speak. If anyone doesn’t like the decor or what is served for dinner, then go somewhere else.

      Or start your own damned blog.

      1. me byron center says:


      2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:


  8. Shower just formed overhead in Byron Center. Only a little bit of rain. Its moving north into Grandville. Another heavier shower near Big Rapids right now

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      I see some low dark clouds to the south that might be making rain – we’re too far from radar for them to show up.

  9. DF (SE Mich) says:

    The 6 months of continuous cold has us all cranky.

    1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      April will be above average for me.

      1. DF (SE Mich) says:

        A few tenths of a degree above normal for a month must feel nice after the coldest cold season ever up there.

        1. Rumrunner says:


        2. DF (SE Mich) says:

          Using Travis’ vocabulary. I’m glad you know the difference.

      2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

        Yes, yes we know all about Flint – the only reporting station “above average.”

        1. DF (SE Mich) says:

          Saginaw is as well. My cold bias pointing that out… :)

        2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          I don’t recognize Saginaw. The piles of garbage throughout the city are their own heat sources.

      3. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

        I think Bill just talks about weather related events just as he mentioned Florida in his post today and last I checked its warm down there. When it’s hot as he’ll here , Bill will post that too but we just experienced one of the coldest winters on record and have not had any significant record setting warming events that I’m aware of – yet . But when we do I would be willing to bet you can read about it on this very blog. So why people are complaining that Bill has not mentioned we ” nearly ” made it back to average for the month of April is really beyond me and not to mention the month isn’t even over yet , so now is not the time to do a monthly rap – up. Also besides Travis I’m not aware of many people who get excited about posting departures from that of average , on a magnitude of + 0.4 degrees over a 30 day span , however if that happened for 4.5 months straight he might feel that would be worthy of a thread. I’ve always seen Bill report on all types of weather and getting flustered that he doesn’t cover the weather you prefer because Mother Nature has other plans , well that’s a bit out of his control as far as I know. Lastly I don’t think this blog would be all that interesting if all Bill did was talk about average weather phenomena as it’s easy to see by the huge uptick in comments when-ever we get to follow extreme weather..

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      I’m getting cranky about people calling this “bias” on the part of Bill and a few others…. REALLY? They have some sort of “Confusion Gun” they zap at us, so when we get up in the morning and the thermometer is reading 38 degrees….that’s not REALITY?? My wardrobe of turtlenecks-and-sweatshirts in April is not reality? How about golfers in Under Armour Coldgear??

      There’s no bias – it just is what it is. And yeah – it’s really starting to suck….LOL!!

      1. H&L says:

        Deb look at the numbers for April.

        Also I have not gone so far as to call Bill biased but the truth is some individuals who he links to are paid to have a biased opinion.

        I will also say there are others on the climate change side that are paid to be biased and if their information was on this blog I would call it like I see it, SPIN.

        1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          April = the sixth consecutive month with below average temps. No spin, just a fact.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          You’re entitled to your opinion, H&L – but you need facts and data to support it if you want any credibility. Just calling people biased doesn’t cut it. You just assume that the BILLIONS (yes billions) of dollars that are thrown around due to climate change alarmism is not an incentive to arrive at a desired conclusion? Did you read the Climategate emails? “use Mike’s TRICK to HIDE THE DECLINE” is not how we should do scientific inquiry. (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704541004575010931344004278)

      2. DF (SE Mich) says:

        Exactly Deb. The same people, different aliases.

        1. Travis (Oakland County) says:

          So wait? You have no problem with Deb calling April “cold” at GR even though it’s currently -0.3.

          But predictably point out Flint is only +0.4 under my post and say it’s practically average.


        2. DF (SE Mich) says:

          An obvious conspiracy between those bloggers that have been along much longer than you. Tin foil hat time.

        3. DF (SE Mich) says:


        4. Rodey (Rockford) says:

          -0.3 below average must feel like a heat wave after the bitter cold winter there.

        5. GunLakeDeb says:

          Travis – folks have supported you by saying your end of the state IS slightly warmer than average. But you’re the anomaly. So are my extra-cold readings all winter due to my placement in a bowl (and I have folks who post on this blog who can back me up). But I try to point that out, so other readers don’t assume MY temp is good for the entirety of Allegan/Barry counties.

        6. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Travis – get a life you delusional global warming fanatic!

        7. Rodey (Rockford) says:

          Speaking of getting a life, you should try it you delusional mini ice age fanatic. Seek help and increase your meds. Fantastic. I love it. Thanks for listening.

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        Oh – you two guys are feeding the “Cold Conspiracy” bias ;-)

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Just the facts – keep em coming!

      1. kevin. w says:

        The master has spoken.

      2. matt says:

        Warm weather will be here soon camp fires and warm weather who knew imagine That rock n roll is dead i love it bring it

  10. GunLakeDeb says:

    Oooh – here’s a problem I’m glad we don’t have: so what DO you do with a dead whale??? I guess I never pondered how shifting ice can kill whales…


    1. Brian (Grandville) says:

      That sounds disgusting.

  11. fixxxer says:

    Another crap west michigan day. Gloom & doom.

    1. kevin. w says:

      Let me see how I can turn this around for you. You could be homeless from the tornadoes and have lost some of your family. You could lose your house to a flash flood like they have in Florida. You could live in an earthquake zone and be flattened. You could live where its so hot and humid that you have to stay inside just to be comfortable. You could live an area where you never know from year to year if a hurricane is going to strike. You could…. Ok Michigan is not that bad of a place to live, but I’m still sure your going to gripe about some sort of something or other. :)

      1. steven (Derby Lake) says:

        I heard they were using chainsaws to cut roofs open to rescue people from their homes attics.

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Whining and complaining! Some things never change!!

      1. matt says:

        Rock n roll is dead and warm weather will be here soon imagine that

  12. mr. negative says:


  13. Mac says:

    Bill, will you please tell us what your opinion is with the longer range forcasts or outlooks. I know it is not totally accurate but it would be nice to see more of that. You have not been doing that like you use too and I really miss it.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      I’ll try and do more of that. I’ve been on vacation and busy with the winter we’ve had, so I haven’t had as much time to do digging through the climate data.

  14. DF (SE Mich) says:

    It could be worse, Marquette set a record yesterday with 4.1″ of snow. Approaching 200″ for the season.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      WOW…and life goes on.

  15. steven (Derby Lake) says:

    Yup, pretty dull. No storm action. Tigers @ 2:10

  16. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Another mild day. 67 degrees here now with intermittent sun.

    Do we see storm development soon?

  17. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    A couple of short items as April comes it a close. One is that most of the southern half on lower Michigan will end April near average. With most of the reporting stations ending with end one half degree either above or below average. Another item is that I also feel that Joe B has an agenda and of course he also likes to pat himself on his back. While there are some of his ideas I agree with there are also a lot of others I do not agree with. We can as some one on this blog likes to say from time to time “mark it down” we can do that with Joe B for this summer and next winter right now. As he is calling for a cold summer in our area and a early cold winter next winter (with less then average snow fall sorry rocky) so we will see how that plays out.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      COLD summer, COLD winter – FANTASTIC! BRING IT baby! As for the below average SNOWFALL – I don’t think so! We will be getting absolutely hammered! Imagine that! ROCK n ROLL will never die!

      1. matt says:

        Warm weather will be here soon rock n roll is dead and will never return. Warm days and sunshine will be here soon. Thunderstorms and lots of hot and humid days. I love bring it just the facts and tje fact is rock is dead and it sucks

  18. jerry hoag says:


    Over 9,000 lightning strikes in 15 minutes…tough to sleep. More submerged cars in Pensacola. Pensacola Blvd. 18,823 lightning flashes in 30 minutes.


    1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      With that type of lighting frequency , I would want to get stuck in the water somewhere that’s for sure….

  19. Jack says:

    Wah-who !!!!!! My Wife Saw Our First BALTIMORE ORIOLE at one of Our ” Suet” Cake Feeders This Morning while I Was Sleeping…… Zzz…. That 2 Me is AHH SURE SIGN THAT SPRING IS HERE. Such a Beautiful Bird.!!! Now if the WEATHER would just Cooperate ( as in Warmer). I’d be a HAPPY CAMPER in Michigan..stay CUED…& GO TIGERS & Griffins…. ;-)

  20. Jack says:

    TIGER GAME update…Tigers up 4-zip @ Chi-Town……he,heeeee

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Max is in the midst of another gem.

  21. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

    I probably misled people on using gas generators to power furnaces during power outages. Since the discussion we had here, I found a website strictly for licensed electricians. They covered this very subject.

    From the best that I can tell, older furnaces have no or only very crude electronics. So it is relatively safe to power them with cheap gas generators. Many people do that.

    However, newer furnaces do use electronic systems and one must be careful with powering them with generators. It’s best to contact a licensed electrician as to how to set it up.

    At that website for electricians, some electricians told of people burning out the electronics of their new furnaces by using generators improperly. Without the proper “filters”, if you will.

    So be very careful about using either a generator or power inverter (powered by your automobile) to provide electricity to a relatively new furnace. Ask a licensed electrician for advice.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Thanks for the info.

    2. me byron center says:

      Did you just read what you said? 60 hertz is 60 hertz. 120 volts is 120 volts. How do you purpose to “condition” it? Perhaps you could have a problem with a car inverter due to its producing a square wave and your furnace moter being purely inductive….just put a resister in series and you will be fine. If you have a power source that will run your fridge you have a power source that will run your heat. Beware of the amount of current you need and the amount of current you can produce.

      1. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

        I am not going to pretend that I know more than I do, “me byron center”. For all I know, you may be right about everything.

        “60 hertz is 60 hertz. 120 volts is 120 volts.” Well, that sounds logical. And fourteen years old is fourteen years old, but there are still some differences among fourteen year olds. (A waiter in an upscale restaurant offered to serve wine to my fourteen year old step daughter, heh.)

        “If you have a power source that will run your fridge you have a power source that will run your heat.” I don’t think that’s true at all. At least without a secondary piece of equipment. My old fridge had zero electronics. My new furnace does. I could hook up a “dirty” power source to my old fridge with no problem, but that would fry the electronics in my new furnace. Do you understand what is meant by the term “dirty power”? Maybe Deb could explain it to you better than I can. But from little that I can understand, “dirty power” sources have wild, dangerous fluctuations, but “clean power” sources are even, safe.

        Electronics and power generation people talk about unmodified power, modified sine wave power and pure sine wave power. From what little I have been able to tell, the differences are very big, very important, in terms of what is safe for electronics, such as modern computers, TV, etc. It’s a matter of “dirty power” vs “clean power”.

        You can help me and others, me byron center. Please explain the differences between unmodified power, modified sine wave power and pure sine wave power. Really, this is very important. I do know that running my desktop computer, TV and other equipment on unmodified power is very risky, modified sine wave is somewhat risky, and that pure sine wave has no risk at all. Mucho has been written about it. Or am I wrong?

        But please provide links from *reliable sources* for your points of view and I will provide links from *reliable sources* to my points of view.

        Fair ’nuff?

        Sigh, I do get overly wordy. Sorry, “me byron center”.

        My point is that equivalent wattage’s and amperage’s from two different sources are not necessarily anywhere close to the same in terms of reliability and safety for electronics. One can be perfectly safe and the other can fry your desktop, range, furnace, etc.

        I got that from multiple reliable sources.

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          Dikehopper – you pretty much summed up what I know, too. When I was taking classes to repair electrical motors, relays, etc – I know that not enough power getting to a motor will cause it to overheat; and that a smaller generator doesn’t always provide a steady supply of that power.

          When we go camping, I plug into a box that’s not only a surge suppressor, but also cuts off the power if its too low for our RV’s components. Back to “dirty power”.

  22. INDY says:

    Suns coming out maybe we will make 65* today!! INDYY!!

    1. Jack says:

      65 = HEATWAVE…..stay CueDDD….YOB(INDY)……BTW a Great Day to WAKE & BAKE…..puff…puff…..PASS 2 U!!!! ;-) . Heheee….

    2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      I don’t see any sun here in Hastings.

  23. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I love this summer outlook! This was posted earlier! A cooler than average summer sounds INCREDIBLE! Bring it!


    1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      Sounds good

    2. Tim (Spring Lake) says:

      Out of curiosity, what was their outlook for this past winter? Does anyone remember?

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Colder than average and above average SNOW! They hit the nail on the head!

        1. matt says:

          Warm weather will be here soon just the facts bring it i love it who knew rock n roll sucks and rock is dead. Lots of hot days on the way with lots thunderstorms

    3. Rodey (Rockford) says:

      Good thing they are never right according to you. Fantastic. I love it. Thanks for listening. Who knew? Not you.

  24. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    Cold weather nuts , warm weather nuts………seriously why ? The same old bickering over and over , and no new talking points. I would understand if people were just cranky from this long brutal winter , but it doesn’t matter as the banter would rage on for those polarized to one side or the other. If you live in Mi and don’t like the thought of having 4 seasons , then move somewhere that more suits your wants and needs. Most all of us are weather enthusiasts and enjoy many types of weather phenomena that’s why we come to ” Bills weather Blog “.

    1. Jack says:

      + 1 :-) stay cued…..;-)

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      We’re just “Weather Nuts”. Period. Or, as I prefer: Weather Geeks, said with utmost reverence :-)

  25. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    So I just looked at the link that Rocky posted from Accuweather and noticed under Dailey weather extremes in the US it listed destine Florida at 9.72″ over a 24 hr period. ( not sure what the start and stop time is ). But how could that he when some places saw 5+ ” in only a 45 min time span and I saw a few places approaching nearly 2 ft of rain. I’m sure there is a rational explanation , but that seems a bit on the light side .

  26. Cort S. says:

    Blog post about the tornado debris signatures now being seen on radar. Remember a few years ago when we were talking about the Dual Pol upgrades coming to the NWS radars? We are seeing big results from that. This along with “SAILS”, which will give us low-level radar scans every 2.5 minutes instead of 5 minutes, is turning the page into a new chapter of tornado warning coverage.

    “NWS Weather Radar Upgrade Proving Wildly Successful”


    I have been studying Dual Pol radar data for 2 years now, and have seen many debris signatures, especially at night, lead to higher confidence and stronger-worded tornado warnings.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Like the article said – “best use of taxpayer dollars” – and I agree!

      1. Cort S. says:

        Hey GLD… I posted some additional information about Skew-T stuff in the thread “Showers and a Chance of a Storm Tues. PM/Night.” Enjoy!

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          Oooh Cort – thanks!!!!!! I spent a long while yesterday, studying the stuff you had posted (also looked at a lot of Skew-T diagrams online, to see what non-threatening ones looked like)

          If nothing else, being able to say “Dry Adiabats” is cool….ROFL!!

    2. Jerrod (Hartford) says:

      Yes, the U.S. has done a great job with the dual pol. Those signatures the last few nights…were unbelievable. Makes it easier at night, for sure. Spotters can only do so much when the sun goes down. Now, if the NWS can start upgrading it’s supercomputers…can’t be easy seeing your model consistently outperformed by Europe.

  27. John (Norton Shores) says:

    I do and do not agree with Acculess summer forecast. I do agree with them on a potentially cooler summer, but what I do not agree with them on is the severe weather will stay away form the Great lakes because of the cooler lakes, we’ve already had two days with severe weather this season, one yesterday and the other a couple weeks ago that did significant damage in Muskegon. The cooler lakes will have nothing to do with our severe weather, what will determine our severe weather this summer is if all the ingredients come together this summer to produce severe weather events, which seems to be the case especially middle of June through July.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      We’ve seen enough storms that simply defy the statistics – in the 1956 outbreak, at least one tornado started very close to the Lakeshore area (Fennville, I think?). Lake Michigan was NOT warm in April!! And ironically, in 1956, there was a common misperception that Michigan “didn’t get tornadoes” – or that they were very weak. People were killed because they didn’t believe a tornado was bearing down upon them. We surely know better now….or do we? Our kids/grandkids haven’t seen storms like that – and then they see something online that implies “Lake Michigan is too cold for tornadoes”.

      We don’t want history repeating itself.

      1. Jerrod (Hartford) says:

        Yes, if cooler air does come further south this summer, it moves the “ring of fire” MCS a touch further south.

        GunLakeDeb, that storm came ashore I believe in Saugatuck. Went to Holland and dissipated. F4, one of four tornadoes in Michigan. An F3, 2 F4′s and the infamous Hudsonville-Standale F5. April 3, 1956. That the one you speak of?

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          Yes – that’s the outbreak I was thinking of. At first, they thought the F-5 was one really long tornado – then “Forensic Meteorology” showed it was 2 different storms??

  28. John (Norton Shores) says:

    Speaking of severe weather, there could be another severe weather outbreak towards the middle of next week as we warm up into the upper 60′s and 70′s (possibly)

    This is from the SPC day 7 and day 8


    1. Jerrod (Hartford) says:

      WAY too early to be speculating on this. Models haven’t done a great job in the medium term this year at all and are at odds. Euro is cooler than GFS, etc.

      1. John (Norton Shores) says:

        Yep too early but with a potential significant warm up it would not surprise me at all that an outbreak will occur somewhere, but yes too early to be speculating on it but bears watching for next week as most long range models are showing quite the warm up next week.

    2. Jerrod (Hartford) says:

      I will say, with this last outbreak, they did a great job of forecasting it in advance and with the “Moderate” and “High” Risks.

      1. John (Norton Shores) says:

        They did a great job! and they did a very good job by issuing the moderate risk 3 days in advanced and the 30% risk 7-8 days in advanced it really prevented the possibility of more casualties.

        1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          I will take it one step further and say there forecasts where scary good . I’m not sure how they could have done any better , and yes there was still loss of life which is always sad especially when we have a pretty good idea of what’s about to unfold. I hope in the future we can get that number down to zero or as close to zero as possible and I’m sure many many lives were saved due to the efforts of the NWS , mets , spotters and overall preparedness . There is still progress to be made however and I have no doubt we will one day look back on this past outbreak and think only if we knew then what we know now. The main wildcard in this picture of course is the human factor as you can’t force people to take precautions and we know there will always be those putting themselves in harms way for no specific reason. Excellent job ! :)

    3. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      I am getting hype up, no thunderstorms here yesterday, we were left out once again.

  29. Cort S. says:

    Preliminary tornado tracks from April 27-29:


  30. INDY says:

    We are having a good storm season so far!! Wait till it really warms up!! INDYY!

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      WOW, what will happen.lol

    2. Jeff (Richland) says:

      Not here. Have not had any storms.

  31. Jerrod (Hartford) says:

    Been one of those dreary days today, but no rain here in Hartford, yet. After seeing what’s going on with the flooding down south (talk about the necessity of an ark!), I feel like we got lucky with this storm. Later this spring and summer will be our turn.

  32. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I love it! We are heading for a cool and partly cloudy weekend! No temps in the 80′s in sight! Keep it rolling!

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      AccuWeather long range forecast for May, high 70′s mid month.

      1. kevin. w says:

        Yep and looking at the jet out in the pacific it looks to buckle out there and develop a ridge finally in the east. I sure hope we have a dry mild winter.

    2. matt says:

      Rock n roll is dead and warm weather will be here soon imagine that who knew. Just tje facts thanks for reading

    3. Rodey (Rockford) says:

      I love it. No snow for the next 7 months. Nothing but warmer temps ahead. Fantastic. Who knew? Thanks for listening.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        fixxxer get a life! You are loser that whines and complains all day about the weather!

        1. Rodey (Rockford) says:

          Thanks for listening, paying attention and commenting. Keep up the good work. I love it. Fantastic.

        2. matt says:

          Rock n roll is dead and warm weather will be here soon imagime that who knew thanks for reading

  33. Looks like we cool down for tomorrow and Friday, with a nice warm-up beginning Monday and beyond. Many days at or just a tad above average!

    Hopefully we can get some thunderstorms with the warmer air next week so the KRP Car Weather Tracker can be back out on the road!

    1. John (Norton Shores) says:

      Hey Kyle, I would keep an eye on next weeks possible severe weather outbreak, you might just get to chase next week.

      1. Will defiantly be watching it. Is this for the Plains? or Michigan too?

        1. John (Norton Shores) says:

          I posted the discussion from the SPC regarding next week above, it talks about a potential severe weather outbreak from the southern states all the way up to the upper Midwest next Thursday.

        2. John (Norton Shores) says:

          So I assume there will be some tornadoes too.

  34. INDY says:

    I am going to INDY next Saturday it better be warm down there!! INDYY!!

  35. Uncle Sparkee says:

    Well well well my little long lost weather hobos. Your your uncle sparkee had to take a little 90 day hiatus from all electronics, the damn cable company discovered some funny wire that wasn’t makin em any money. But we workred out a little payment and everyone’s happy. Any who, the little green monsters r beggin to get transplanted to the outdoors. Still thinking May 21st will be the day! The annual pine river canoe trip is in three weeks, thongs will be worn as is tradition! Let’s hope it’s a bit warmer by then!!

  36. steven (Derby Lake) says:

    I found these pictures when I was looking for something else in google images.

    This one is Marquette MI, but it doesn’t have the year. My computer allows me to zoom in and out.


    This one is from Flint


    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Too cool. That Marquette photo is incredibly clear. Note the cop walking the beat at bottom right.

      1. steven (Derby Lake) says:

        Its 1909, didn’t notice the date in the link ;)

      2. steven (Derby Lake) says:

        I have two questions. Where was this taken from and I wonder what was going on the left side of the street with the group of guys.

  37. Cort S. says:

    Update on the tornadoes:

    Quapaw, OK and Baxter Springs, KS: EF-2
    Mayflower and Vilonia, AR: EF-4
    Tupelo, MS: EF-3+
    Louisville, MS: EF-4
    Athens, MS: EF-3
    Richland to Brandon (Jackson area), MS: EF-3+
    Crystal Springs, TN: EF-3?
    Bessemer, AL: EF-2

  38. Heres a song for those of you who were kids in the 70′s and 80′s. I really like this song:


    Some of you may have heard it before. I actually wish I was born in to 70′s and 80′s. If there was a time in history I would like to have lived in, it would have been that time period. I am not a huge fan of this technological era we have entered (AKA: My generation)

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      What I don’t like about today’s world is that everything has to be socially acceptable. If you don’t accept it, you are labeled a racist, sexist, homophobic, bigot, ect. Sorry, but I don’t have to accept anyone’s lifestyle just because it’s the 21st century, and we have lost our personal values. Maybe I’m to old fashion, but you know what. I love it.

      1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

        Brian I’m with ya to a certain point as I agree there were things I would like to go back too , but conversely we have progressed in other areas that needed just that. I’m not going to go into specifics as this is a broad topic but I will just take one of your examples and kindly say I don’t believe you will be labeled a racist unless ones actions and words fit the definition . Maybe you can give an example of a situation that I’m currently not thinking of that would unfairly receive this label. I’m not sure how the 80′s were much deferent when it came to being labeled a racist as the definition is pretty clear. Of course people are free to have that mindset if they so choose and I don’t mean for any of my thoughts to be malicious in any way , just curious what your thoughts are in regards to this one example.

        1. Brian(Grandville) says:

          I guess I used the term racist a little loosely. I would put more emphasis on the other labels I mentioned. I appreciate your response, and comment. It’s nice to have a civil debate/conversation on here with others from time to time. Although I am quite opinionated on a lot of topics, as are a lot of others on here to I guess.

        2. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Speaking of a good civil / political debate , now there is a perfect example of something that is nearly extinct as I feel this is a lost art in this day an age. Most debates political or other just seem to be one platforms talking points verses another and neither person really debates based on their own beliefs , but rather those of the special interest groups they represent . We have become very polarized as a nation and this just seems to be getting worse over time. I’m not sure politicians even comprehend the concept of middle – ground anymore nor compromise for that matter , as this just looks to get worse and not better.

    2. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

      So no weather tracking, no Weather Channel, no storm team 8, no GFS (plus side lol), and no radar… eh…

      1. Granted our radar systems and weather sites are nice and I enjoy them, but to me keeping your eyes to the sky it better than any tracking system. Maybe its just me.

        1. I also like the old school pencil and paper. But in todays world technology has taken over and thats all my school day consists of. Sitting on the computer and working. At least I got bills blog to keep my company lol

        2. Cort S. says:

          “but to me keeping your eyes to the sky it better than any tracking system”

          In some cases, sure. When that weather is in your neighborhood. But what lead time does that give you? :)

          The objective numbers will disagree with you, everything from medium-range (one week) global forecast improvements, down to mesoscale and storm-scale modeling, to radar and satellite tracking, to improvements in our theoretical concepts of the physics of the atmosphere, to communication improvements, to deaths prevented, to economic benefit… it’s leaps and bounds better than it was 20+ years ago.

          Really, conditions for humanity as a whole are better than they have ever been, and it’s still getting better. All the doom and gloom you hear from everybody is just based on pessimism or the angle that the news has to take for the sake of it being “news.” The nostalgia of the past is usually just nostalgia. There is no better time in history to be alive, if you are an average human.

        3. Bill Steffen says:

          and I scream everytime (which is often) someone in the media says “the tornado hit without warning”…when for days we’ve had SPC outlooks, then watches – and most of these tornado warnings had lead times of over 15 minutes.

        4. I am not saying there is a better time in history, its just I like the lifestyle from that era. I wasn’t even getting at it towards a weather aspect until Nathan came up and said something. I understand we have come a long way which is great, but that doesn’t change the fact about me and that era. As we all know, the 70′s and 80′s have not died yet. I can simply turn to my radio for that

        5. Cort S. says:

          The music is pretty good, I’ll give you that.

        6. Totally agree with you Bill

        7. Cort S. says:

          Sometimes I wonder what people mean by “without warning.” I hope hope hope that at least some of them mean that the wind went from calm to violent very rapidly, not that they didn’t know it was coming. But that’s just me trying to be optimistic. I wouldn’t be shocked if a good percentage of those people just weren’t paying attention.

        8. GunLakeDeb says:

          Cort – I see it happen here at Gun Lake all the time with Severe Weather. There will be folks out on boats, ignoring the increasing lightning/thunder, ominous black clouds – I especially flip out about the ones who ignore the huge shelf clouds; then get caught in violent outflow winds….

          It’s one of the reasons I’m spearheading a movement to get a tornado warning siren for our area, before a bunch of boaters go airborne….

  39. GunLakeDeb says:

    But Kyle – speaking as someone from the early 50′s….. computers didn’t exist. I practiced hiding under my desk from nuclear blasts….LOL!!! Figured my chemistry problems on a “Slide Rule”. Thought that newfangled “stereo” was amazing, after listening to mono all my life.

    Folks my age have been dragged into technology, whether they wanted to or not. We crash our computers and then wait for one of our kids (or grandkids) to fix things again, because those who grew up with it are downright amazing!! And some day, when YOU are a Senior Citizen, there will be something that comes along and flummoxes you ;-) It’s part of the Cycle of Life, I guess?

    Not that it got brought up – but *I* blame part of the “obesity crisis” on computers, where people sit inert for far too long…..

    1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      I’m with ya GLD and it’s not just the L B’ S we have to worry about either , as we have already discovered the cure. The wonderful world of convenience over the great World Wide Web has many many negative social outcomes and I’m afraid there is no going back . Sometimes ridding your bike , playing cops and robbers actually having a real face to face conversation with your friends , are still the best ways to participate in activities such as these rather than face-time , Facebook , Twitter , vine , or playstation. Tech is great but a double edge sword it is. :)

      1. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

        Good comments, Deb and Darren.

        I was born in 1947. Lots of technological and social changes since then. Some are good, some are not.

        “Well something’s lost, but something’s gained
        In living every day.”

        — Joni Mitchell, “Both Sides Now”

  40. Travis Ulberg (West of Martin, Allegan County) says:

    There was another big temperature range from the west side of the state compared to the east side of the state. I see Ann Arbor made 70° today while I only made 58° here at my house. Also it has been raining lightly for the past 4 hours here. We need some warm sunny days to dry up all the mud, and just so everything starts budding. I’m ready for some t-shirt weather!

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