Few Showers Friday Night/Sat. AM, Continued Cool

May 3rd, 2014 at 2:15 am by under Bill's Blog, Weather

Local Snow pile Allegan County May 2 Travis Ulberg I’ll leave radar here for early morning showers/sprinkles.  The picture is from Travis Ulberg showing a last patch of snow in the Allegan woods on Friday.  If you know of a little snow pile left, leave a comment – and if you can take a picture of it, you can send it to me at bill.steffen@woodtv.com.   I have a seminar at the National Weather Service today – I’ll update the blog in the evening.  It’ll be a quiet weekend for storms across the U.S.  The GFS plot has highs of 77° next Thurs. and 71° on Fri. – then it gets cool again.  The model does not have any snow, but it does have a low of 36° on the 16th.  The model would have showers late Weds. and rain and scat. storms from Thurs. night to Fri. night with Friday the wettest day of next week.

Links: Grand Rapids radar, Northern Indiana radar, Chicago radar, Detroit radar and Milwaukee radar. Here’s regional radar, the College of DuPage Radar Map (pick any radar in the U.S.), College of DuPage Grand Rapids radar, GFS snowfall for the next 120 hours and NAM model snowfall for the next 84 hours. the West Michigan Lightning Tracker, National Lightning Tracker, the local warning/advisory map and the National warning/watch/advisory map, and a surface weather map. You can checkout the latest Grand Rapids NWS discussion, the Northern Indiana NWS discussion (includes the Michigan Counties that border Indiana), the discussion for Northern Lower Michigan, and Eastern Lower Michigan. Check out Storm Total Precipitation (until they reset it). Here’s the Spyglass Condos Weather Station the S. Haven GLERL station, the Muskegon GLERL station, the Grand Haven Steelheaders webcam and weather station, and the weather station at Holland State Park. Check out the Maranatha Webcam at Lake Michigan and links to webcams. Here’s the infrared satellite loop (night) and the visible satellite loop (daytime), Lake Michigan water temperatures (summer). Here’s storm reports from SW Michigan, Northern Michigan, NE Illinois, SE. Wisconsin, Upper Michigan and E. Michigan. Check out the wind and wave height at the South Mid-Lake Michigan Buoy (Apr. to Nov. only), the North Mid-Lake Michigan Buoy (Apr. to Nov. only), the buoy at Big Sable Point near Ludington, the weather station at Manistee Harbor and the weather station on the beach at St. Joseph. Here’s Michigan wind gusts from MesoWest, data from the MAWN agricultural weather stations and Weather Underground (data at the bottom from private weather stations). Check out the webcam at Krupp’s Resort, where they are pushing toward 3 feet of snow on the ground. Check out the cold temps. on the U.S. Low Temperature map.  Here’s a live look at the Houghton Bridge. Here’s the Consumers Energy Power Outage Map. Here’s Closings.

167 Responses to “Few Showers Friday Night/Sat. AM, Continued Cool”

  1. Rad (Jenison/Hudsonville) says:

    And i thought our roads/potholes were bad in MI.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Our streets/roads here in Hastings/Barry co. are in good shape. I see on the news GR streets are in very bad shape.

      1. Barb says:

        Our main and side streets in GR are worse than they’ve ever been. Sometimes I have to literally slow down to 5 mph or less.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          You got that right! I’m afraid the police are going to think I’m a drunk driver when I’m weaving around the potholes.

        2. Steven(DerbyLake) says:

          Lack of repair over the years is starting to catch up. Especially with the frost from this past winter

        3. TomKap (Michigan & Fuller - GR) says:

          They’ve been a mess for more than just a year. And we have one of the highest gas taxes in the country (I think we’re 4th highest). I thought that was what that was for.

  2. DF (SE Mich) says:

    That is one darn cold day in GR… Crazy. We were much warmer over here but still a lame cold day.

  3. Barry in Zeeland says:

    Looks like the perfect tulip time weather! Rain, drizzle, wind, cold, no flowers, no tulips, heck not even leaves on the trees yet. WELKOM!!!

    1. Barb says:

      Are there going to be tulips next week in Holland/Zeeland?

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      I’m hoping that a couple warm days next week will have a good crop of Tulips out for the big parades (esp. Saturday the 10th).

      1. Sandy(Hudsonville) says:

        I have a coupe of tulips that have bloomed & more that are going to open very soon. I think it will be a good year for the tulips to bloom for the Tulip Festival.

  4. Barb says:

    I can see why more than 1/3 of residents would leave Michigan if they could. It’s a nice place to visit for 3 mos. of the year, but I would live elsewhere for the other 8-9 months.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      I lived 7 years down in Dixie. The hot temperatures got old quickly. I was born/raised here in Michigan. There were times, I was home sick for Michigan weather. A lot of people down in Dixie wish they could relocate to the north. I missed Old Dixie this last winter.

    2. fixxxer says:

      +1000 on that barb. And people will leave if this is the new standard.

    3. Mike M. says:

      I grew up in Illinois and lived in California, Colorado, and Nevada. There’s no place I’d rather live than right here in West Michigan. We go through some very long, pleasant stretches of weather up here.

  5. Scott (robinson twsp) says:

    I can put up with a little snow compared to, tornados, earthquakes, raging fires, “its a dry blazing heat (ya OK) and hurricanes any day. I like the Michigan. :) plus we got some dude keeping the sprite stock fresh. Lol

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:


    2. Brian(Grandville) says:

      I spent a few months in Las Vegas, and when it’s 110-115 it doesn’t feel like just a dry heat. Other than a pretty brutal winter here, yes it’s not so bad.

      1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

        Living down in Dixie, not only did It get hot, but muggy also. Tornadoes/ tropical storms didn’t really bother me. I got use to the weather. This last winter was too cold.

    3. GunLakeDeb says:

      I’ve always said that “shoveling is the price we pay for having our ground stay put”…LOL!

  6. INDY says:

    Happy May Bill …….INDY’S FAV. MONTH!!

  7. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    It’s hard to believe that we are already in the month of May ( 2014 ). Jeeez….where does the time go….? So now that we have officially made it through our first day of May , that means we only have 13 more days until the official start of hurricane season. Also with the predicted enhanced phase of the MJO , located in the Central America general area and weather or not this will help to kick start the hurricane season for the eastern pacific. Last year was a very quite year for hurricanes ,I wonder what this year will have in store , let’s hope another tame season .

  8. TomKap (Michigan & Fuller - GR) says:

    Wow. What do you know? It’s 4:37 and it’s RAINING HARD AGAIN.
    This is the worst string of crap weather I can remember.

    1. fixxxer says:

      And it is topped by the coldest winter by far. Just about everybody i see is talking about it.

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Yes and some of you are whining complaining freaks!

  9. Ryan (Rockford) says:

    On M-20 about 10 miles west of Mount Pleasant, there was still some snow on a steep slope next to the road on the south side of the road. The snow was facing northerly. This was on Wednesday. This has to be one of the most dreary weeks of weather I can remember, if it’s going to be cool, cloudy, and wet for a week, I’d rather have some snow to lighten things up!

    1. fixxxer says:

      You want snow in may? Some of you are nuts.

  10. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

    Next week things should be different, I hope.lol

  11. Dan (Byron Center) says:

    Wait a minute is that the sun I see? That is a very welcome sight to see! Now will it help us out in the temperature department? We can tack about 10 degrees or more!

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      I am hoping for the sun today, nothing so far.

  12. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

    Well, I guess it’s that time of year. http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/05/Carpenter-Ants-copy.jpg

  13. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    I love the cool temperatures. Keep them coming! I am ready for the year of no hot summer weather! Bring it baby!

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Good morning Rocky…

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Good Morning – it is great day to be alive!

      2. Tom says:

        Glad to see Rocky has a boyfriend!

        1. Rodey (Rockford) says:

          Did he break up with Indyy?

        2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:


  14. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    GR will not see 80 degrees during the entire month of May and for that matter very few days above 75 degrees! I love it!

    1. Wayne (South of GR) says:

      Get a life Rocky….do you really have nothing better to do than come and this blog and try to get people mad??

      1. Rodey (Rockford) says:

        Of course he has nothing better to do. It’s obvious he has no friends or life. Besides. nothing to worry about, his predictions are wrong 90 percent of the time. He had also posted that GR wouldn’t see 70 in April. How did that work out. Fantastic. I love it.

        1. Mike M. says:

          I’ll bet August is too hot and dry, though. We’re mirroring the winters of my youth and as I recall the summers were still plenty hot. I hated two-a-day football practices in August back then.

  15. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Well the nights have mostly been above average… :)
    Once again some cold daytime temps on the west side, not nearly that cold over here.

  16. GunLakeDeb says:

    JUST as I left for work, the skies opened up and dumped rain….. if Hubby was secretly hoping to drag race, the rain, cold temps and high dew point just dashed his dreams….. it will take forever to dry the track; and then there’s still the possibility for more pop-up showers.

  17. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

    I told my wife, let’s move to Key West Florida.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      The Sun is starting to shine again.

    2. SBPortage002 says:

      You know. if I had the money that’s what I would do. I love Key West.

  18. Ansel says:

    Bill Steffen and his cronies vs …….Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations
    “Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver.” (2009)2
    AAAS emblem
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    “The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.” (2006)3
    ACS emblem
    American Chemical Society
    “Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem.” (2004)4
    AGU emblem
    American Geophysical Union
    “Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes.” (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5
    AMA emblem
    American Medical Association
    “Our AMA … supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant.” (2013)6
    AMS emblem
    American Meteorological Society
    “It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide.” (2012)7
    APS emblem

    GSA emblem
    The Geological Society of America
    “The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s.” (2006; revised 2010)9

    International academies: Joint statement
    “Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001).” (2005, 11 international science academies)10
    USNAS emblem
    U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    “The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.” (2005)11

    USGCRP emblem
    U.S. Global Change Research Program
    “The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human ‘fingerprints’ also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice.” (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12

    IPCC emblem
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13

    “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14

    *IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence.

    List of worldwide scientific organizations
    The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
    U.S. agencies
    The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      You DO understand that the climate has warmed in the past (Michigan was once covered by a glacier, for starters) – a LOT more than right now?? And human interference had nothing to do with it.

      1. Ansel says:

        I do, but I also agree that you can’t pump trillions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere and not affect it at all. I know a volcano does more than we ever could etc….etc….., but I also believe we have the ability to change the climate. I’m going to challenge Bill on every inch of his right wing, conservative, anti-intellectual propaganda when he is in the EXTREME minority amongst scientists. He laments about fuel prices going up for the poor, but ignores the fact that air pollution from dirty energy kills more than almost anything else, which is hypocritical.

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          The way *I* look at it – the scientists who require Grant money in order to continue their “Why we should be terrified of Global Havoc” studies, are the ones making all the noise. They HAVE to – if they don’t scare us into donating $$$$$$$$ – those guys don’t have a job.

          The scientists who know that global warming/climate change/”scare phrase du jour” is just a passing fancy (sort of like the Ice Age terror of the ’70′s) – have no dog in the fight. They just quietly go about their business.

          Now I’m not saying we should treat the Earth badly – but maybe if some of the scientists who are so concerned about “warming” – would focus on things like cleaner manufacturing/cheap desalinization/sanitation/infrastructure… yes, the world could be a much better place.

        2. Brian(Grandville) says:

          You do realize you just contradicted yourself at least twice in that comment, right. So which is it?

      2. GunLakeDeb says:

        Yankee Springs Recreation Area has a spot called the “Devil’s Soup Bowl” – a (dry) kettle lake formed as the glaciers receded and plowed dirt up and around a huge iceberg-sized chunk of ice. As the ice melted, it formed the big hole in the ground that can be seen today. That happened about 10,000 years ago, if I remember correctly.

        1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

          I was 13 or 14, I went to the bottom of Devil’s Soup Bowl, fun part running down to the bottom. It took for ever to climb out of the Devil’s pit. LOL

        2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          I went to 7th grade camp at Camp Noonday. I remember the Devil’s Soup Bowl very well. :-)

        3. GunLakeDeb says:

          Yeah – I went after a Geocache down there (never found it) and the climb up is a BEAST….LOL!!

        4. Jack says:

          Ahh YES, The ” Devils Soup Bowl” !! And Now…..CUE: eagles – take the devil – Eagles – YouTube
          ► 4:01► 4:01
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYfJPCV_f20. Stay CueDD……… ;-) . He,heeee

    2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Next time write a book. I don’t see any scientific proof, just hear say. Bill can backup his statements with scientific proof.

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        Simple logic tells us it was far warmer, eons ago. At one time, coldblooded creatures (fish, dinosaurs, etc) ruled the world, because the world accommodated their ectothermic needs. Carbon dioxide levels were twice what they are now, since the entire world was basically “tropical”. Then the Earth started to cool, and warmblooded mammals took over as many of the coldblooded creatures died off. Tropical places were buried under glaciers.

        We’re warming up (slowly, in the whole scheme of “things geologic”) because we’re actually coming off a ridiculously-cold geologic period. IMO, it’s going to get a LOT warmer over a period of tens-of-thousands of years…and there’s not a darn thing we can do to stop that. And it really doesn’t matter because we will have squandered our resources (or mass epidemics will have taken us out) LONG before that becomes a problem.

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          Here’s a chart that shows the temperature fluctuations over millions of years (we are living in a VERY cold era)

          Given the Earth’s history of temperature swings – I think human interference has all the effect of a belch in a tornado. Earth is actually a much warmer planet than what we are currently experiencing.

          Where human interference HAS made a difference: in the past, as the planet came out of a cold spell, re-population of worldwide species originated near the equator. Think of the equator as a “Species Reservoir”. Only THIS time, we’ve cleared/burned/eroded/depleted our reservoir rather badly. Eradicated thousands of species entirely. Not sure what will populate the planet in millennia to come?

        2. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

          You are starting to amaze me, Deb, with the breadth of your knowledge. Maybe you’re an all-around news junkie, like me?

          You are also more diplomatic than I am, heh.

        3. Brian(Grandville) says:

          Deb, I agree with you on most everything. Very true, it was much warmer eons ago. We have proof. The one thing I just can’t buy into is a graph dating back millions of years ago, before humans could have kept records. All things considered, I definitely don’t think humans could cause the earth to warm. Something just tells me it will just do what IT wants to do, and doesn’t care to much about us.

        4. GunLakeDeb says:

          Dikehopper – I suffer from “Terminal Curiosity”….LOL!! I also taught subjects like Animal Classification, Endangered Species, Habitat Preservation, etc at the zoo many decades ago; and am involved in environmental issues around Gun Lake. Just call me the “Cootie Chaser” :-)

      2. Ansel says:

        You mean like the scientific proof from the 13,950 peer reviewed articles written on global warming from 1991-2012, in which in the same time period only 24 papers rejected global warming. Or the proof from 2258 peer reviewed climate articles by 9136 authors between Nov 2012-Dec 2013 in which only 1 author rejected man made global warming? Is that the proof which you speak about? Or this proof:

        “Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.”

        - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

        The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.1

        Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate.

        Certain facts about Earth’s climate are not in dispute:

        The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.
        Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in solar output, in the Earth’s orbit, and in greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands.3
        Scientific Consensus
        Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities, and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.

        Click here for a partial list of these public statements and related resources.

        The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:
        Republic of Maldives: Vulnerable to sea level rise
        Sea level rise
        Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4

        Global temperature rise
        All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years.6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.7

        Warming oceans
        The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.8
        Flowing meltwater from the Greenland ice sheet
        Shrinking ice sheets
        The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.
        Visualization of the 2007 Arctic sea ice minimum
        Declining Arctic sea ice
        Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.9
        The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.
        Glacial retreat
        Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.10

        Extreme events
        The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.11

        Ocean acidification
        Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.12,13 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.14,15
        This resource has been selected for inclusion in the CLEAN collection

        IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, Summary for Policymakers, p. 5

        B.D. Santer et.al., “A search for human influences on the thermal structure of the atmosphere,” Nature vol 382, 4 July 1996, 39-46

        Gabriele C. Hegerl, “Detecting Greenhouse-Gas-Induced Climate Change with an Optimal Fingerprint Method,” Journal of Climate, v. 9, October 1996, 2281-2306

        V. Ramaswamy et.al., “Anthropogenic and Natural Influences in the Evolution of Lower Stratospheric Cooling,” Science 311 (24 February 2006), 1138-1141

        B.D. Santer et.al., “Contributions of Anthropogenic and Natural Forcing to Recent Tropopause Height Changes,” Science vol. 301 (25 July 2003), 479-483.

        In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized the Earth’s natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first speculated that changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.

        National Research Council (NRC), 2006. Surface Temperature Reconstructions For the Last 2,000 Years. National Academy Press, Washington, DC.

        Church, J. A. and N.J. White (2006), A 20th century acceleration in global sea level rise, Geophysical Research Letters, 33, L01602, doi:10.1029/2005GL024826.

        The global sea level estimate described in this work can be downloaded from the CSIRO website.

        http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ anomalies/index.html



        T.C. Peterson et.al., “State of the Climate in 2008,” Special Supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, v. 90, no. 8, August 2009, pp. S17-S18.

        I. Allison et.al., The Copenhagen Diagnosis: Updating the World on the Latest Climate Science, UNSW Climate Change Research Center, Sydney, Australia, 2009, p. 11


        http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/ 01apr_deepsolarminimum.htm

        Levitus, et al, “Global ocean heat content 1955–2008 in light of recently revealed instrumentation problems,” Geophys. Res. Lett. 36, L07608 (2009).

        L. Polyak, et.al., “History of Sea Ice in the Arctic,” in Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes, U.S. Geological Survey, Climate Change Science Program Synthesis and Assessment Product 1.2, January 2009, chapter 7

        R. Kwok and D. A. Rothrock, “Decline in Arctic sea ice thickness from submarine and ICESAT records: 1958-2008,” Geophysical Research Letters, v. 36, paper no. L15501, 2009


        National Snow and Ice Data Center

        World Glacier Monitoring Service




        C. L. Sabine et.al., “The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2,” Science vol. 305 (16 July 2004), 367-371

        Copenhagen Diagnosis, p. 36.

        1. Bill Steffen says:

          Most of the above is a cut and paste from climate alarmist propaganda websites. First, if you look thru the 15 references at the bottom, the most recent is 2009 and some go back nearly 20 years. A lot has changed since then. MANY scientists are reevaluating the degree to which man-made CO2 affects climate. The American Physical Society is an (the) organization of over over 50,000 physicists. You can read of their moving away from climate alarmism here: http://judithcurry.com/2014/02/19/aps-reviews-its-climate-change-statement/ and here: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/03/20/American-Physical-Society-Sees-The-Light-Will-It-Be-The-First-Major-Scientific-Institution-To-Reject-The-Global-Warming-Consensus. Here’s what James Lovelock says now: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change. There is also a lovely little bait-and-switch at the top of your comment. I (and the rest of the CAGW skeptics) have not said that we “reject man-made global warming. It’s obvious that there are local (urban heat inland) and regional (the planting of corn and soybeans across the Midwest as raised minimum temperatures during the “transpiration season”. We DO believe that the magnitude of warming from man’s added CO2 in the atmosphere will produce a smaller rise in global temperature. Here’s a good read from a Nobel Prize Winner: http://notrickszone.com/2013/07/24/veteran-german-meteorologist-calls-climate-findings-procured-sees-only-0-5c-of-warming-for-co2-doubling/ and here’s the comments of Dr. Robert Brown, Professor of Physics at Duke Univ.: “What they challenge is the catastrophic label and the alleged magnitude of the projected warming on a doubling of CO_2. They challenge this on rather solid empirical grounds and with physical arguments and data analysis that is every bit as scientifically valid as that used to support larger estimates, often obtaining numbers that are in better agreement with observation”. Note “better agreement with observation”.

          The predictions of the climate alarmists have been failing. Note this prediction: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html How’s that working out? Global temperatures have been flat now since 2002: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.gif (there is no disputing this graph – even James Hansen accepts it: “The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade… – James Hansen et al. The Climate Models that the IPCC has placed their predictions are obviously not initialized properly: http://www.climatedialogue.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Figure-2-Pielke.jpg (image from Dr. Robert Pelkie, Jr. – Colorado St. Univ.). Here’s a few talking points from Dr. Judith Curry, Head of Climate Science at Georgia Tech:

          For the past 16 years, there has been no significant increase in surface temperature. There is a growing discrepancy between observations and climate model projections. Observations since 2011 have fallen below the 90% envelope of climate model projections
          The IPCC does not have a convincing or confident explanation for this hiatus in warming.
          There is growing evidence of decreased climate sensitivity to atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations
          Based on expert judgment in light of this evidence, the IPCC 5th assessment report lowered its surface temperature projection relative to the model projections for the period 2016-2036.

          The solution to this climate catastrophe is on an international basis – a massive transfer of money from the U.S. to the U.N. and other countries through a carbon tax – and on a national basis, everything from new carbon taxes, to “skyrocketing” utility bills (“skyrocketing is their word, not mine) to forcing us to use carcinogen-filled light bulbs with the silly notion that that will somehow “save the planet”, to a wide variety of green energy boondoggles that have enriched the politically connected (Al Gore now has a greater net worth than Mitt Romney). Look at Solyndra http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house and LG Chem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZztn2pfC3I. It also hurts businesses like ski area – who’d want to take up skiing if global warming means we’re not getting any snow in the recent future, as Dr. Viner said in 2000. The money wasted on this alarmism could be used for schools, for filling potholes.

          Bottom line – the skeptics (and among scientists is literally tens of thousands and the number is growing http://www.petitionproject.org/) do not “reject man-made global warming”. We challenge the magnitude of the warming, the nightmare scenarios presented to gather money for THE CAUSE (as it was called in the ClimateGate emails) and the draconian solutions that would put a serious and unwarranted financial burden on the poor and middle class

          Feel free to share this comment with others who may be interested in a reasoned and thorough discussion of the climate change issue.

    3. Mike M. says:

      Don’t put too much stock into what bureaucracies say they stand for. They are just reflecting the needs and wants of the moneyed and powerful. There have been plenty of stances taken by the majority of the scientific establishment that turned out to be completely wrong. The theory of continental drift was proposed in 1912 but was not accepted by establishment science until 1964.

      1. Mike M. says:

        The theory of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming rests on two very shaky legs. Part of the formulation of climate sensitivity based on a doubling of co2 comes from the controversial paleoclimatology work of a handful of activist scientists. The overwhelming scientific consensus of the establishment prior to Michael Mann coming on the scene-out of no where, mind you-in 1998 was that we went though two periods of recent climate change known as the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. Basically, almost all proxies showed that we were warmer during the MWP than present day temps and we warmed up SUBSTANTIALLY and NATURALLY at the end of the LIA.

        Here’s how it looked in the first IPCC report.

        1. Mike M. says:

          The other thin reed that CAGW rests on is the amplifying effect of water vapor on climate sensitivity. Theoretically, a warmer atmosphere will become more humid and that will in turn provide three times as much warming as co2! God forbid extra water vapor actually leads to more clouds and acts instead as a NEGATIVE feedback.

        2. Mike M. says:

          The worst mistake you can make in the whole global warming controversy is to assume good intentions on the part of many promoting the hysteria. Follow the money. Trillions of dollars are at stake, literally. And I don’t mean Snidely Whiplash and the Koch Bros. I mean the vast army of corrupt UN kleptocrats and crony capitalists like George Soros, Algore, and Tom Steyer who all stand to gain so much from “climate” legislation and regulation.

      2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:


  19. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

    Deb, I was going to post the following anyway but first, what kind of vehicle does your husband drag race?

    It occurred to me last night that are some car club events that might interest some of you (if you weren’t aware of them already). They include events that are designed for rank amateurs.

    Gimmick rallies are designed just for fun. They are designed to solve a puzzle or to follow silly clues. No driving or math skills really needed. All paved roads. Participants are usually male/female couples. They usually end at a bar/club/restaurant. An after-rally party. My wife and I *really* liked the other couples we met there. They were great fun. Met a lot of nice couples of all ages.

    I can almost guarantee that any of you would enjoy a gimmick rally. Try one!

    Here is a decription of the two types of road rallies: http://www.na-motorsports.com/Rally/Road/

    Another type of amateur event is races in parking lots. They used to be called “gymkhanas”, but I guess that definition has changed. Nowadays they will be called “Solo II” or “Autocross” races. Most of them require non-modified cars (or at least they used to).

    The concept is simple. Most Solo II/Autocross races are done in parking lots, with cones set up for a road course. One car at a time, you are racing the clock. So no worry about dents/crashes. Here is a rough description: http://www.na-motorsports.com/Autocross/

    I don’t have contact numbers for the cars clubs in Western Michigan anymore. You probably can find them on the Internet, bulletin boards at certain auto parts stores, or from new car dealers.

    For Solo II types of racing, look for a sports car club if you have a foreign sports car. Look for a club for American high performance cars if you have one of those. They tend to set up their “road courses” differently. The former puts more stress on handling, the later puts more stress on acceleration.

    In any event, if you are a first-timer, you might want to avoid Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) for your first rally or race. These guys tend to be *very* serious.

    But again, think about finding and participating in a gimmick rally. I can almost promise you that you will have fun and meet some very nice couples.

    1. GunLakeDeb says:

      Dikehopper: he races an older, tubbed, S-10 with a small-block 350 with a few modifications ;-) Just races Street Class, although the truck can run in the mid-11 second range

      It’s the blue truck on the left in the photo


      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        And it runs on E-85!

        1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Does he race with e-85 …?

        2. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

          Darren asked, “Does he race with e-85 …?”

          Interesting question, methinks. Doesn’t E-85 have higher octane but lower energy content than E-90, which one finds at the gas station? Higher octane levels allow higher compression ratios.

          But on the other hand, do fuel dragsters use pure alcohol? If so, I guess that would answer my implied question.

          (A whole lot of people think that high octane means higher energy levels. Not true at all. They are not related.)

        3. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Most don’t race with E-85 , but maybe he does in that class.

        4. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Btw 85 at the pump does not have higher octane then 89 or 92 as that correlates to the octane level , or anti-nock fuel if you will. Higher octane does combust ant a higher rate. That’s why NASCAR ruins a 98 octane blend I believe why 15% ethanol.

        5. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          * cleaner combustion I should qualify , so as have less chances of pre-detonation .

        6. steven (Derby Lake) says:

          Guys here at the dirt circle tracks run pump e85 in their race engines.

      2. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

        “…the truck can run in the mid-11 second range” Yeah, I guess it must have a couple of modifications [grin].

        I left all of my cars stock so I could race Solo II in the pure stock classifications. With the exception of a 1979 Trans Am. I redid *all* of the suspension. It was stiff. I used to joke that if I ran over a coin, I could tell the denomination by how hard the jolt was.

        The Trans Am had the 400 cu. in. Pontiac-made W72 engine. That may or may not mean something to your husband.

        1. steven (Derby Lake) says:

          Check out the two links. The first one is how a top fuel dragster works. There is essentially two types. Top fuel which is nitromethane and then there is some divisions
          that run alcohol.


          Then this video shows an example of how much fuel would flow into just ONE cylinder. It starts out at idle, then wide open throttle.


        2. Dikehopper (Fennville) says:

          I was just about to post my comments below when I saw steven’s comments here: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2014/05/03/few-showers-continued-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-3722452

          I found your links just fascinating, steven! Thank you!

          Anyways, the first video helps to confirm what I am trying to say below.
          I am replying to Darren’s comment here: http://blogs.woodtv.com/2014/05/03/few-showers-continued-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-3722451

          I sure ain’t no expert on this subject, so the following is based on what I *think* I know.

          “85 at the pump does not have higher octane then 89 or 92 as that correlates to the octane level” E-85 refers to the gasoline/ethanol ratio, not the octane rating, right? In other words, 85 means 85% gasoline and 15% ethanol, right?

          A pure gallon of ethanol has significantly less energy than a pure gallon of gasoline. In other words, all other things being equal, running on pure ethanol will give you fewer mpg and lower performance than running on pure gasoline. I have read at least two, maybe three road tests, using complete flex-fuel vehicles, that prove that point.

          On the other hand, ethanol has a significantly higher octane rating, which allows for higher compression ratios. Hence, perhaps higher performance? That is why I was trying to figure out if fuel dragsters might use high ethanol fuel.

          For those not familiar, Darren is quite right. Higher detonation levels mean that the fuel does not detonate as easily. Higher octane prevents “dieseling” or spark knock in high compression engines. How do I word this. In other words, high octane fuel does not ignite as easily as lower octane fuel. But it has nothing to do with energy content.

        3. Steven(DerbyLake) says:

          Like I said above. I know guys who buy e85 straight from the pump and run it in their race engines on dirt circle tracks. Anywhere from 400-800+ horsepower.

        4. GunLakeDeb says:

          I’m coming back to this way too late – but you guys are correct. Last year, Hubby had a special carb built to run the E-85. The truck now runs faster times – but gobbles more fuel. And he has to watch for water in the lines…another drawback to alcohol.

          The Junior Dragsters all run straight alcohol, as do the big cars.

          Nitro is insane – when they run those cars, you can’t breathe as they pass – the concussion feels like it stops your heart. I can hear them run from my HOUSE, which is probably 15 miles away?

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      There are lots of “model specific” car clubs in the area – we belonged to the Kalamazoo Corvette Club for a while, and they offered events like you are describing! I was a “judge” at a Solo Autocross (they called it a “Low-Speed” something-or-other) and they made it a point to invite high-school-aged kids to participate, figuring it would enhance their driving skills!

  20. Well the Day 6 outlook area is out now. It does not include Michigan though. Only comes up to the shoreline of Wisconsin

    1. Also to note Intellicast has given up on our chances for thunderstorms. Things may change though

    2. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      It usually does creep north and east as it gets closer to that specific outlook day , but this is going to hinge on how far north the extreme heat comes. In the plains they are expecting 15-20 departures from normals as for us however we shall see . I’m way overdue for so good weather not just a few storms rolling few , exception being the training to the north we had last month was good stuff .

      1. Yeah temps will play a role. Looks like temps is what is kind of holding them back:


  21. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    Speaking of racing Talladega is here and a whole new qualifying format to boot , should be interesting as I think many of the wild cards will be throwing caution to the wind , even more so then usual .

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      It’s going to be a very good race on Sunday.

      1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

        I hope no rain delays.

        1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:


        2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

          The race on Sunday, 80°+ and mostly sunny.

    2. GunLakeDeb says:

      OK – you car dudes: do you know that you can drive retired NASCAR cars at Talladega?? Hubby did that 2 years ago – clocked 174.5 mph in an older car of Dale Jarret’s (he’s tall, so my 6’3″ hubby actually fit in the car…LOL!) MIS offers the same thing!

      1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

        Thanks for the information GLD , I did happen to know they do , but I wasn’t aware they did at Mi . Back In high school i went to my first driving school at Sears Point in Sonoma County and at the time was called Bondurant Racing before moving to Phoenix I think , but it was a blast and I’ve been hooked to speed and sport cars ever since . Only if I had an endless flow of money….hehehe. My ultimate dream is to fly in a fighter jet , someday , someday … :)

        1. GunLakeDeb says:

          A fighter jet would put a whole new meaning to the feeling of SPEED!!!!

  22. Based in this discussion, there not to keen on Severe Weather. I sure hope it changes though! I want a good storm!


    1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      Which days are you speaking of Kyle ? The days to watch on my opinion has always been late next week i.e.( Thursday, Friday) we have to push this cool air out of here first .

      1. This says for Mid-Late week. Thursday looks to be our better odds with temps in the 70′s

        1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Ya , was speaking to later in the weak , as Im not to confident we will see much Wednesday . With that said I think the storms will be down closer to the border , although we could see some cross the shredder , but overall I’m thinking this will be a plains focused event.

    2. John (Norton Shores) says:

      I don’t think they would be onto the severe weather quite yet, kind of early to mention it in the discussion, I think as we head into early next week they will start getting onto it, dew points in the 60′s would be sure to give us severe weather. Sounds like it will be very humid and muggy on Thursday and maybe Friday too.

      1. I would assume that the father south you go in our area the better odds there is of getting severe weather. But I do agree its early I was just posting there discussion as of today.

        1. John (Norton Shores) says:

          Yep I think as we get into early next week there will be a lot more mention of the severe weather not in just this area but in the plains too, something to keep an eye on. Keep up the great work Kyle!

        2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

          I believe last year we had this happen a few times, warm front got into Barry County, and tornado storm cells formed. We hogged the most tornado warnings last year.lol. So far no storms here in Hastings this season. Maybe all the storms will bypass us this season.

        3. John (Norton Shores) says:

          We will have to see Larry lol, I have been hearing that mid June into July could be very active here and we could see a derecho or two.

        4. GunLakeDeb says:

          I think if you want to chase, you’re going to have to get south of the Big Lake Storm Shredder?

  23. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    Here the day 6 SPC OUTLOOK :


  24. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    I could see a low end Moderate Risk coming out of this later next week for Day 6 , as we have some time for this to get its act together. Might not be a bad time to catch a storm or two Kyle as this doesn’t look to be a large outbreak , but possible a decent set- up with minimal risk for you.

  25. steven (Derby Lake) says:

    Well. This day is pretty much wasted. The wind is blowing so hard (sustained) to do anything outside.

  26. John (Norton Shores) says:

    The NWS now mentions severe weather in their text but they are still not very confident in it, which is good it being this far out, confidence is low.

    ISSUED AT 230 PM EDT SAT MAY 3 2014





    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Hastings is just south of I-96, possibility of severe storms in our area. I hate bragging, but last year Barry County had the most tornado warnings in west Michigan. Maybe the trend will continue. LOL

      1. John (Norton Shores) says:

        South of 96 is for the temperatures not the severe weather chances, since the warm front will be over northern lower, the whole area has a chance at severe weather including Hastings which should be directly in the center. Hope you get some storms, I know you have been waiting!

      2. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

        I have a gut feeling, Barry County will have at least 1 tornado warning next week.

        1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

          I don’t want any loss of life or homes damage. I don’t want to see Barry County hog all the tornado warnings this season.LOL

        2. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Tornado warned storm , bold prediction Larry , as I’m not sure the conditions will be to favorable next week, but if ya got the feelin then you need to go with the gut sometimes. Lol

        3. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

          LOL…my heart would not be broken if we did not have a tornado warning. I believe conditions may come close, for having a tornado.

  27. Clint (Shelby) says:

    Hey everyone been a long time since I’ve been on the blog but now I’m back…looks like we could be seeing some Severe Weather very soon.

  28. Jack says:

    In Honor of The Kentucky Derby TODAY,,,,, CUE :::: Run For The Roses By Dan Fogelberg – YouTube
    Stay CUED…….. :-)

  29. Clint (Shelby) says:

    What’s up INDY how have you been?

  30. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Put this in your pipe and smoke it fixxxer, fixxxer jr and the rest of the warm weather nuts! I love it!



    1. Rodey (Rockford) says:

      No snow for the next 6 months. I love it. Fantastic.

    2. matt says:

      Warm weather soon just the facts who knew thanks for reading

  31. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    It was a great day on the golf course! Imagine that!

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Did you get a Hole in One today?

      1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

        Not today, maybe the next time!

        1. Rodey (Rockford) says:

          Make sure to time it so you hit the ball between the windmill blades.

        2. Cliff(KZOO) says:

          Thanks for the chuckle Rodey!!!

  32. DF (SE Mich) says:

    Mowed the lawn for the first time. It is actually nice out over here, windy though.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      Next week, we have plans to get our yard clean-up/mow the lawn.

  33. Jack says:

    ” CALIFORNIA CHROME”…!!!!!!!!! WINS….The Kentucky DERBY……..!!!!!! Hey DARREN, Does This make U Happy ?? If my memory Serves ME Correctly …That’s Where you are From !! What a HORSE, CALIFORNIA CHROME!!!! Stay Cued…..$$$$$$

    1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      Yes that is kinda cool and a long shot too , if you look at these guys story. This would be the definition of a working class horse in a playground for the rich . That’s funny the owners call themselves DAP racing which stands for ” dumb ass partners ” pretty crazy. My friend Heidi who flew out for Santa Monica called me from the derby and said it was pretty amazing environment , as I would love to check it out some day.

      1. Jack says:

        Yeah, That Would Be Blast, To Check out The Kderby ..However I don’t. Think I will Ever have the Bucks, 2 do That in My Life Time. As far as The DA name goes…I have a question….HOW’s The Dumb-Ass NOW?? LOL… Nice WIN for Us POOR FOLKS. STAY CUED……. ;-)

      2. Jack says:


        1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Love it +1

        2. Jack says:

          Hey,Dsvrstm…..The Name ” California Chrome” Reminds Me of California MED.MJ Strain. ( wink,wink))… Can’t Remember ( wonder why) The exact Name of The MJ strain. But,,, I Know I have Indulged The CALF.strain on ahhhh couple occasions ..cough,cough…..Stay CUEDD….4 Tunder Booms,and Lightning ZZooommmsss….. ;-)

        3. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Yes , yes , some good MJ is no stranger to Northern Ca which happens to be where I was raised so let’s say there MIT have been some sampling. Lol. Never hear of Ca. Chrome however , but there are so many different strains now form what I hear .

        4. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          * what MIT lol. I meant to say there might have been some sampling . Lol. Spell correction at work.

      3. Elizabeth (NE GR) says:

        He may have been a longshot to make it back last year but this was a solid favorite for today who made it look easy. I have friends who have been following him since December and he made me a believer in the Santa Anita Derby. This colt is one of the best shots we have had at a Triple Crown in a long time. Nice to see good, regular people enjoying the spotlight- the sport needs that!

        1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

          Yes , he obviously wasn’t a long shot today , but this story is really one of a kind. Article below:


        2. Imthemom (just n holland) says:

          Nite TeeTee

  34. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

    I just looked at the CPC outlooks again today and jeez…..we are stuck in the darn blue area again , now in the 6-10 day as well. It’s not like I really expected to find something else , but I really hope after this month we can break out of this cooler pattern. I just want some 70′s and sunshine. :)

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      70′s and sunshine sound perfect.

    2. Jack says:

      75 and Sunshine on MAY 25….@ The YardofBricks (Indy’s PARTY) !! See YA THERE ? Dsvstrm…I’ve Been there,,,QUITE a Few times….Great Place To PARTY….. Stay CUED……

      1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

        Sprites ready to go , sounds fun….

  35. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Get ready for the year without summer! Bring it!

    1. Rodey (Rockford) says:

      Off your meds again. Delusional. Get ready for a warm summer and mild winter I love it fantastic. Bring it.

    2. matt says:

      Warm weather will be here soon who knew imagine that i love it bring it

  36. INDY says:

    Dirty 30 Tonight of sprites Bill getting thee YARDofBRICKS ready 4 thee 25th!! I hope u can weather it!! INDYY!!!!

    1. DarrenSVRstm ( Cedar S ) says:

      Lol….knock-em down ……

  37. jerry hoag says:

    Bill’s blog will get busy here on Wednesday Night and Thursday into Friday as Storm development happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing no 60 yet this month of May, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN AND MAYBE OUR FIRST 80 TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Maybe we will get some Tornadoes, Damaging Winds, Large Hail and some very heavy rain with this setup coming this later week. I’m NOT wishing for damage so don’t anyone get on me about that. It is just the way the warm air and cold air is setup. This is going to be a perfect kind of setup for this type of activity. NO ONE EVER REALLY WISHING FOR DESTRUCTIVE TWISTER WEATHER BUT THE FACTS ARE THAT IT MAY HAPPEN.

    1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

      I already said tonight, I have a gut feeling that Barry County will get a tornado warning next week.

  38. INDY says:

    Jerry Hoag u know INDY’S ready!! I feel like TORNADOS tonight!! INDYYY!

  39. Brian(Grandville) says:

    Look at the snow in Paradise on April 29th. Wow!

  40. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

    Weather Experts, what role does dew points play into severe storms?

    1. John (Norton Shores) says:

      From what I understand, the higher the dew point the juicer the atmosphere becomes, thus creating storms, especially when you have a warm front or cold front, and the storms can quickly become severe and tornadic with the juicy atmosphere.

      1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

        I been hearing next week’s dew points are going to be in the 60′s+, that it will get muggy.

        1. John (Norton Shores) says:

          I just read that if the dew point is 55 or above that is enough to get severe storms going, so our 60 degree dew points next week should be enough to get the severe weather going.

    2. John (Norton Shores) says:

      This would also be a great question to ask Cort, he is very good at explaining things.

      1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

        I think Cort is hiding this weekend. Hope all of the weather experts will be around next week.

    3. Brian(Grandville) says:

      The higher the dew point, the more miserable I am when it gets hot out. Sorry I didn’t answer your question Larry.

      1. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

        I get that way myself.LOL.

    4. Cort S. says:

      I’m on the road currently. Traveling back to Michigan.

      Dewpoint (moisture) is one of 3 ingredients needed to make a thunderstorm (a 4th ingredient is needed for organized, long-lived severe thunderstorms).

      1. Moisture
      2. Lift (sometimes we on the blog call it a “trigger”)
      3. Instability (very warm air underneath cold air)
      (4. Shear)

      If you have very dry yet unstable air, you can lift it as much as you want, but you won’t get a cloud or precip without moisture.

      You can also have moisture and lift, but without the instability to allow air parcels to become buoyant and rise upwards on their own, you won’t get a tall cloud with an updraft, just a shallow cloud producing an area of rain.

      And as we remember from busted severe weather forecasts, we can have a lot of moisture and instability, but without enough lift to force air parcels through the cap (a layer of relatively warmer air aloft), we won’t be able to get anything but stunted cumulus clouds.

      That said, dewpoint is just a measure of moisture at the ground. That ignores the vertical profile of moisture throughout the depth of the lower atmosphere. Some storms are not based from air at the ground, but rather from moist and unstable air aloft (perhaps one-half to two miles above the ground). So meteorologists have to look at the moisture well above the ground too. This is why you can have thunderstorms even if the dewpoint at the ground is lower than you would expect, or even if temperatures at the ground (or over Lake Michigan) are very cold. Bonus: if you have a thunderstorm dumping rain and/or hail into very warm and dry air below it, that increases the risk of severe straight-line winds (microbursts).

      1. GunLakeDeb says:

        First: safe travels, Cort – and welcome home!

        Second – does evaporative cooling help a storm?? That was what popped into my mind…

  41. Larry of Hastings, barry co says:

    The tornadoes that I been in, the barometric pressure would drop big time. My ears would pop and hurt a little.

    1. Cort S. says:

      Tim Samaras, the storm chaser that died in Oklahoma last year from the May 31 El Reno, Oklahoma tornado, once built probes that could measure pressure inside a tornado. In 2003 near Manchester, South Dakota, his probe measured a 100 millibar pressure drop in less than a minute, as an F4 tornado passed over it. Sea level pressure is about 1000 millibars, so a drop of 100 millibars would be about a 10% reduction in pressure. To your ears, that would be like taking an elevator up to the top of a three thousand foot building in less than a minute, so it’s no wonder why they will pop if a tornado is very close by.

  42. Clint (Shelby) says:

    Hey INDY… what’s up how have you been?

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