Lake Michigan Upwelling

July 31st, 2014 at 12:48 am by under Bill's Blog, News, Weather

Fog muskegon glerl  Upwelling - Lake Michigan water temperature Ludington Buoy 2014 JulyUpwelling - Lake Michigan water temperature off Port Sheldon July 2014 Picture on the left from the Muskegon GLERL camera Wednesday afternoon (from NOAA Coastwatch).  The high temperature on the beach at Muskegon was 60.1° at 7 pm.  The fog was caused by condensation as higher dewpoint air came across the very cold water.  The water temperature at Holland State Park Weds. morning was 41°.  I had to ask twice “are you sure, 41°?  The buoy west of Muskegon showed a water temp. of 43° (as I write this near midnight, the water temp. at the buoy was back to 47°) and the last I checked, the water intake temperature at S. Haven was 45°.  The graph in the middle is the water temperature at the buoy west of Ludington.  Wow!  The water temperature dropped from 63.6° to at least 39° in less than 24 hours.  The graph on the right is from the buoy west of Port Sheldon, showing a drop from the low 60s to the low 40s.  This cold water came from well below the surface through a process called upwelling.  We had a strong north wind behind a cold front and that pushed the surface water toward the middle of the lake, allowing much colder water from 100 feet below to rise to the surface.   Here’s a diagram to show what happened.  Here’s another example of upwelling from 2012.  This is a more thorough discussion and has a list of some historical upwelling.   Needless to say, this can be quite dangerous for anyone in water that cold.  This is especially a concern for someone that may take a boat out and decide to just jump off the boat into the water.   The mid-Lake Superior buoy showed a water temperature of 39.2° when I checked on Wednesday and the east Lake Superior buoy had a water temp. of 38.3°.   Here’s a look at the water temperature of Lake Michigan this year compared to recent yearsLake Superior not only is considerably colder than even 2009, but it appears to be about 20°F colder than the end of July in 2012.  Lake Huron is now also colder than 2009.  Here’s a five-year comparison for Lake Ontario and Lake Erie.

101 Responses to “Lake Michigan Upwelling”

  1. Sandy (Hudsonville) says:

    Thanks for the info Bill. This is very interesting. Do you think this will effect lake effect snow this winter?

    1. Eric says:

      will it “affect” lake effect… ;)

      1. PabloNH says:

        Actually, either verb works…

        1. Mike Schomburg says:

          actually no, Eric is correct. And thanks for the excuse to nit-pick about my pet peeve.

        2. CHARLES P GALLAGHER says:

          Effect is not a verb.

        3. Mark says:

          Yes, Lake effect snow comes from open water. Makes sense that cold water freezes quicker than warm water. So when Lake is ICE, less snow, but not less cold.

        4. Actually affect says:

          Actually, affect is correct. There is some horrible grammar being taught in schools these days, as I am seeing more and more people mixing effect and affect up, then insisting they are correct.

        5. Hank says:

          ‘Affect’ is the verb that should have been used here. But you’re right, the verb ‘effect’ (to make happen) does work here.

    2. Iben_Hadd says:

      Read: “Not by Fire but by Ice” 2 more years like this and a new “Ice Age” is on the lakes.

      1. John says:

        That book is an eye-opener.

      2. chris says:

        Maybe I need to read this book. Supposedly ice age starts at lakes or what? I live in Wisconsin. .

    3. cdghdghdf says:

      This 20 degree temperature decrease is called “Global Warming Rebound Effect.”

      1. Ken says:

        It is “Climate Disruption” now, and as such requires a tax increase to support the brilliant 97% of scientists who will study it.

      2. John says:

        I’m thinking it could be called “Global Warming Yoyo Effect”…….named for Algore. “Everything that is down should be up and everything that is up should be down”.

        1. JohnFtLaud says:

          Hahaha! Those eco-nazis double down on stupid all the time!

          BTW, I haven’t heard anything lately regarding ice in the great lakes. Any updates?

    4. Bryan says:

      Has Al Gore been in the state recently?

  2. Jack says:

    Speaking of Lakes and water Temps. Here is The Latest DNR Fishing Report ::::: DNR – Weekly Fishing Report – State of Michigan,1607,7-153-10364-34956–,00.html. Good Luck Fishing…from The YARDofCUES!!! ;-)

  3. Jack says:

    PHOTO of The Day from, Aurora Borealis Home Page. Photo Taken in THE MIDDLE of The THUMB of Michigan !! AWESOME!!! :-)

    1. Gino Schafer says:

      That looks like a sunset, not the Borealis. I live in northern Michigan, you cannot see the northern lights that far south.

      1. markstickman says:

        @Gino- You certainly can see northern lights that far south. I lived in Harbor Springs for 32 years, and have seen them as far south as St. Johns, north of Lansing. Quite a brilliant display, as a matter of fact.

        1. CatB says:

          I have seen them even farther south in Jackson. It too was a brillant display.

        2. bruce says:

          @Gino- We saw reddish northern lights at the lattitude of daytona Beach Florida about twenty years ago!

        3. Allen says:

          Actually, the northern lights have been spotted well south of that, even in the Mid-Atlantic states on very rare occasions. I used to live in the Metro Detroit area and saw the northern lights very early in the morning a few times. My dad worked for GM and had to get up at 5 a.m. M-F and reported seeing the northern lights a few times on his way to work.

      2. ben hannum says:

        I’ve seen the northern lights from central Indiana before, about 12 years ago.

      3. Mike Mahoney says:

        I have a picture taken in the early 90′s of a spectacular, blood red Borealis display. It was taken in east-central Indiana.

      4. Lenore says:

        Depends on how strong the solarwind is when it strikes the Earth’s magnetic field. Aurora can be seen as far south as Tenn. on very rare occasions.

  4. Susan (Holland) says:

    I remember the upwelling in 2012. We went to the beach in the evening to enjoy the warm 75 degree water and swam until after sunset. We finally headed home, knowing from the forecast that we had probably enjoyed the last of the warm water for a while. The next day the wind changed and the water temperature dropped to the 40′s.

    1. Hogwash! The “northern lights” have been seen as far south as west-central Ohio. I was a witness to such and I live in Yooper land.

      1. Frank Chesly says:

        I saw the “northern lights” clearly from the deck outside my favorite bar in Sao Paolo Brazil during the World Cup. A little dim but unmistakable.

  5. Pat Henry says:

    Oh but Governor Jerry Brown of CA says “climate change” is gonna drive Mexicans north… really? I think the smart people are gonna head SOUTH not NORTH but then again many Mexicans are not too bright..

  6. paul says:

    made onto Drudge Report

    1. marque2 says:

      I don’t think it made drudge I saw it on

      1. Hank says:

        Yep, it’s on Drudge’s page. Just came here from there.

  7. Dan L says:

    Thank goodness for global warming or Superior would still be frozen over.

  8. Loaded4Bare says:

    Wow, Bill, you made a direct link on the Drudge Report!

  9. Red says:

    Global Warming is a pathetic lie to raise taxes on working people.

    Climate = THE WEATHER prevailing in an area. Are Democrats really so stupid that they have just figured out that THE WEATHER changes?

    Google Climate definition, or remain a foolish liar…..

    1. Gino Schafer says:


  10. Jeff says:

    Here’s what I want to know Bill. You’ve made it quite clear by citing a chilly temp here and there, and commenting on Antarctic ice levels increasing (though that is apparently in dispute)that you are not a supporter of the global warming theory. What I have observed locally is absurdly hot periods followed now by absurdly cool periods (I haven’t forgotten spending St. Patty’s day in shorts in 2012). It seems to me like the jet stream is slowing and buckling. Places are experiencing unusually long cool spells followed unusually long hot spells. We’ve been in a cool spell for over half a year now. I have read articles that state that this buckling and slowing of the jet stream is a direct result of global warming. Your comments please.

    1. Kris says:

      “Antarctic ice levels increasing (though that is apparently in dispute)”
      This is only in dispute by the Global Warming mongers who wish to deny that their data and predictions are wrong.

      “I have read articles that state that this buckling and slowing of the jet stream is a direct result of global warming.”
      Probably written by the same people who will quickly jump and say it is the “long-term trends that matter” when alternative scientific views point out the cooling events occurring (like the one written above), but yet will deny the documented long term trend for cooler weather (hence the reason they had to change their propaganda message from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”).

      1. Dave says:

        The irregularities in the Jet Stream are from a weakening Sun.
        Our Sun is the sole cause of our planets Climate change.
        In fact, all of the planets in our solar system are experiencing
        Climate Change. Anthropogenic Climate Change is a lie that
        Is being perpetrated so our Government can gain more control
        of our lives.

        Educate yourself on our Electric Universe and you might see things
        more clearly.

        1. Eric says:

          Awesome response, Dead accurate.

        2. mike says:

          Right on Dave! Do you watch Suspicious Observers? Ben talks about these topics all the time…. very interesting indeed!

      2. Jtom says:

        If faced by someone who claims AGW is responsible for extreme weather, offer tis in response. Be sure to check the dates of each event.

    2. Bob says:

      Everything is a direct result of Global Warming to you guys. So … not a surprise you’ve read an article that “states” this is a direct result of global warming. I’d like to see the data from the last time the jet stream buckled and slowed to prove this. Bet you can’t provide it. It doesn’t exist.

    3. Ironman says:

      Horse feces and manufactured for someone else’s profit. Global Warming or climate change is not anthropogenic. Medieval Climate Optimum happened with no industrialization. Earth is on a cycle, been cooling down for over a decade, and climategate comes to mind for cooking data for an agenda other than the truth.

    4. Greatnesslostislegend says:

      Solar magnetic field acting up. Flux impacts how solar wind hits the ionosphere that in turn increases electrical charge on dust particles dropping in from space from various source. A weaker Solar output also allows more cosmic rays to interact with Earth. The two factors lead to change of cloud and storm formation along the jet stream. It becomes more twisty. Polar vortex a function of this.

      It will pass but likely not until after the next sunspot cycle, that promises to be weaker than #24.

      Just a thought…

      1. Styrophome says:

        Correct! Well, almost. The decreased magnetic activity of the Sun, shown as fewer sunspots, is thought to decrease the protective outer layers of our star. When normally active, the layer expands beyond Earth and blocks the cosmic particles created from the front bow wake of our solar system moving through space. When solar mag activity drops, it allows these particle to impact on our ionosphere and create a particulate that water vapor attaches to. This forms a thin layer of cloud in the upper atmosphere that decreases solar warming.

        As far as global warming caused by CO2…if you ask most people what percentage of the atmosphere is CO2, they would likely say 15% to 30%. Fact is, CO2 is a trace gas. We are 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen and all other atmospheric gases are called trace gases. C02 isn’t even the most abundant trace gas. Argon is. When they tell you the CO2 reading is 398…that’s 398 part per MILLION. That means it is .00398% of the atmosphere.

        They point to Venus and say see there, CO2 creating the Greenhouse effect and that’s why it is way warmer than it should be on Venus. Well, sure…but Venus is 96% CO2!

        1. Jtom says:

          What an eye-opener? Ask the average AGW believer what they think the optimum level of atmospheric CO2 should be. I’ve done this several times in online discussions. Every answer was zero! Talk about clueless. Earth would be a barren rock if they had their way.

        2. Bill Steffen says:

          Next, you should ask them if the government should ban dihydrogen monoxide!

        3. math police says:

          check your math on ppm. one too many zeros. 400ppm = 0.04% = 0.000400

    5. JetStream says:

      The Jetstream/PolarVortex moves according to temperature. The warmer the worls is the further north it stays, cooling causes it to move south and expand.

      1. math police says:

        that’s not how Hollywoods and the White climate experts describe it.

        According to them, every conceivable weather pattern is result of more CO2. Too warm, blame CO2. Too cold, blame CO2. Whatever you do though, do not argue with the orthodoxy of Climate Change and the need to redistribute income and de-idustrialize.

    6. Realist says:

      Please explain how CO2 increases from humans cause a buckling and slowing of the jet stream.

      1. paul harvey says:

        Problem is this is no increase in CO2 by man. We only make up 3% of the C02 that is created. 17 years of no warming.

    7. Neil says:

      So, what you’ve just done is assign Bill his status as a non supporter of GW having no direct knowledge of his views yourself. Bill did not state as such and could very well be flying a “save the Polar Bears” bumper sticker on a powder blue Prius. Seems to me he might have just cited beyond normal range readings, ones he (as a qualified person) would typically do. Doesn’t it seem logical that Bill pay close attention to anything that is outside an average reading? Regarding your unqualified “observations”, I’m guessing you don’t take daily readings or measurements and log what those readings were along with what type of dress you were wearing. By your standards I could indict that you’re just looking out the window thinking “huh, looks like a hot spell out there”. If there happened to be near record ice cover for the winter I’m guessing you would prefer he ignore those facts because a “long cool spell” is pretty much the antithesis of GW.
      How open minded of you. And yes, double entendre was intended.

    8. Brian says:

      I read an article that your Momma’s hot flashes are contributing to Global Warming. I guess I should believe that too.

    9. ed says:

      Jeff, The sun fuels our weather system. It has been extremely quiet for a long time now. So our weather patterns are going to be funky.

    10. detroit joe says:

      Cite the credible sources that show the jet stream is “buckling” or “slowing”.

      I can cite the credible sources, such as NASA, that state the sun is the least active it has been in the last decade after coming out of an extremely active period.

    11. John says:

      It’s a direct result of a solar shift to a pattern like the Little Ice Age, and in that you had a wild jet stream that gave rise to major heat waves even though the overall pattern was cold. To say our contribution to the atmosphere of 0.02% gas has a larger effect on the climate than that giant nuclear reactor above us is beyond hubris in our own abilities.
      Expect a lot more of this in the next 20 or 30 years, we’re going to need as much cheap reliable energy as we can, or we really are going to find out what doomsday looks like.

      1. Styrophome says:

        John is correct. We are in a different solar cycle.

        Jupiter’s 11 year orbit around the sun causes the 11 year sunspot cycle. Earth has a well defined mag field (N&S Poles) because we have an iron core. Sun has a plasma core and it mag belts swarm across the surface without definition. Every place where a mag belt come through the surface, its a little cooler and look like a spot. More spots, more energetic sun, less spots, less energetic.

        Cycle 24 is in retrograde but should be still producing a 50 spot count and it’s now next to nothing. Real scientists are predicting that Cycle 25 will be next to nothing. We are in the next solar minimum. It happens every 179 years and is the result of the alignment of the four gas giants. When Neptune and Uranus come together in orbit every 171 years, how Jupiter and Saturn align during that period creates the minimum. Google Dr. Theodor Landscheidt.

        Google Maunder Minimum (called the little ice age) Dalton Minimum was the most recent and it lasted from the late 1700′s to the mid 1800′s

        1. Jeff Giles says:

          Thanks for that excellent recitation of the various solar cycles. The Russians got honest about this a couple of years ago, but the useful idiots involved in AGW would have nothing to do with the Cossack scientists who were freezing their minks off and studying why. But this week, the Chinese Science Committee (everything governmental over there is a “committee”) released their definitive repudiation of AGW by stating their ITSS Theory (Its The Sun Stupid) with 150 years of data to back them up….establishing their nation (China) as the leader in truth telling.

          Now, ask yourself this very important question… HOW IN THE HELL HAVE WE LET THIS HAPPEN? GOD HELP US, WE’RE A NATION OF WUSSIES.

    12. Jeff H says:

      Next you will be telling us that global cooling is the result of global warming- Oh wait, you just did!

    13. don luger says:


      1. Expat says:

        I am a warming skeptic BUT it is general consensus that humans have caused some Global climate change. Not the the primary cause, if there is any, but some. Hard not to since we’re brought the co2 levels to what they are.
        Chances are we’re in for another El Nino which will warm the US for the next year or two and will bring out he warmists like flies on poop.
        BUT with the sun is it’s quietest maximum in History? we still might be in for a continuing cooling trend.
        My advice? Shoot anybody who advocated for a climate change tax. they’ll go away eventually.

        1. John the Cube says:


          >> BUT it is general consensus<< you are correct, but concensus is not science and this comes from surveys asking stupiid questions and not hard evidence. Based on concensus, the earth is flat and rides on the back of a giant tortise, man cannot breathe when travelling faster than 30 mph, the earth is 10,000 years old, airplanes cannot fly, etc. Concensus is a way for weak minded individuals to feel part of a group.

    14. Jtom says:

      Jeff: go here
      Think about, then do your OWN research instead of parrotting what others say.

    15. Peter says:

      Actually, those wild swings of the jet stream (and polar vortex) are signs of a COOLING climate, not a warming one. These same conditions were common at the beginning of the Little Ice Age around 1300. There was a verified increase in extreme weather changes in the run-up to the main cooling events that drove global temperatures down almost 2 degrees. These weather events are verified by multiple diaries of farmers, politicians and pastors of the time as well as multiple climate proxies…

      We have been cooling since 2001 according to the temperature data sets, don’t let the alarmists scare you into believing otherwise… Solar physicists are mostly in agreement that we will be cooling overall for at least the next 20-30 years. History, and weather, repeats in cycles.

    16. Cotton Mather says:

      You’re either jesting or seriously in need of mental health treatment, as the only “buckling” in evidence is you’re frontal lobes as well as you’re medulla oblongata.

  11. M says:

    It’s because all of the heat is trapped at the bottom or so the global-warming scaremongers would have us believe. Conveniently, since there are no deep water readings to refute their claims, it must be true.

  12. Kris says:

    “Antarctic ice levels increasing (though that is apparently in dispute)”
    This is only in dispute by the Global Warming mongers who wish to deny that their data and predictions are wrong.

    “I have read articles that state that this buckling and slowing of the jet stream is a direct result of global warming.”
    Probably written by the same people who will quickly jump and say it is the “long-term trends that matter” when alternative scientific views point out the cooling events occurring (like the one written above), but yet will deny the documented long term trend for cooler weather (hence the reason they had to change their propaganda message from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”).

  13. Mick Russom says:

    This article needs to be re-written per the Cult of the Church of Climatology with Al Goreleone’s approval.

    The Jurassic period. O2 in atmosphere was 130% modern levels. CO2 was at 1950ppm, 5-7 times modern levels. The temperature was a whole 3 DEGREES C over modern times! Oh noes! The Jurassic DGW, Dinsaurogenic Global Warming, shows that those Dinosaurs with their Airplanes, SUV, Coal Fire Plants and Cars and stuff, you know, those Dinosaurs and their DGW destroyed THE WHOLE PLANET!! With their DGW! Look, who wants 26% atmospheric oxygen? More air to breathe? Who wants that! And who wants more CO2 @1950 ppm, you know, to make all those plants and trees convert that CO2 into a higher O2! Who wants that! And we DON’T want the massive biodiversity of the Jurassic, no, we don’t want more plants and animals and trees, no.

    Any time period the warmunists want to “prove” thre is AGW the warmunists just cherry pick ranges. And now I give the warmunists what the need on a silver platter – now they have the perfect example – the Dinosaurs and their horrible DGW ( Disnosauric Global Warming ) that destroyed the Jurassic… Wait, no, it didn’t, it was the best time for life on earth with 1950 ppm atmospheric CO2!



  15. Mike says:

    The number of sunspots has a strong correlation to the upper atmospheric temperatures. Cycle 24, which we are in now, has been fairly weak compared to previous cycles. One has to go back to Cycle 20 in the 70s where is was this weak. What happened in the 70s? You may have heard there was a Global Cooling paranoia. Now whether we enter a phase of cooler years is yet to be determined. But, these have happened before, and long before coal plants and automobiles started creating elevated CO2 levels. Truth be told, global warning would be a good thing for continental climates such as ours. Longer crop growing seasons, longer construction seasons, and decreased heating costs would be a positive impact on the economy and disposable income. No good alarmist wants to hear that argument though because it would mean Al Gore’s ownership of Carbon Credit trading and university professor grants to research global warming would dry up. So, these charlatans benefit greatly from pushing an agenda that helps pad their pockets. Simple as that. Climate is cyclical. We will go through warm periods and cold periods on our planet too again and again regardless of whether we shut down coal fired plants or push automobiles to get 60 MPG. Next time some clown shows you that hockey stick graph of warming temperatures, look at the start date. A real graph would go back to the Middle Ages and not 1960. Climate is a long term trend, not 30 years.

  16. Ann says:

    Well Said Jeff!

  17. Mike says:

    Here’s the funny thing, Jeff. The earth has been going through long periods of cooling and warming since it’s beginning. You can call this “global warming” and “global cooling”. These cycles are usually due to the solar activity of the sun, with the exception of long cooling periods that have followed meteor crashes or volcanic eruptions. So we can ALL agree to some extent that the earth is in a warming or cooling period. Always has been and always will be.
    The part of global warming that is NOT fact is that we are in a warming cycle because of man-made pollution and carbon emissions. For every study that says it proves that man is the cause of global warming, there is another that says it is not. And for nearly every study, both for and against, we’ve found that the facts have been either blatantly wrong, distorted to prove an agenda, or cherry-picked to make an argument clear.
    Since the facts are not yet clear nor honest, and we know that the earth was warming and cooling well before the dawn of man, it’s almost arrogant to say that current climate changes are the result of man.
    On a side note, my personal belief is that if man has ANY hand in climate change, it’s more likely from deforestation that from carbon emissions.

  18. Greg West says:

    Study the Sun, winter is coming.

  19. Ratt says:

    Hey Jeff, there has been a warming pause for 18 years now. And it is a proven fact the Antarctic Sea Ice is increasing, plus WUWT has posted some interesting links that show 280,000 years ago during the summer the Antarctic Sea Ice was gone. What it looks like you are saying is it has to get colder before it gets warmer.

  20. Rod Christian says:

    To use Global Warming as a reason for these lake temperatures is funny. It least someone has not commented that it is because of Man made global warming. We were at Lake Michigan last weekend (in Muskegon), and yes, the water was very cold. I am from Muskegon, and normally the temperature this time of year is in the 60′s. But it was much,much colder last weekend.

  21. Global Farting says:

    Just imagine how much colder it would have been if not for Global Warming. People would have frozen to death.

    If not for the global farting by heifers, we would not have global warming.

    Thank God and cows for Global Warming.

  22. 2ndprotectsall says:

    Darn that global normal!

  23. Lymanincoloma says:

    I have actually read on several different reports, sorry unable to post references, that we could actually be on the brink of another ice age and that this accounts for the unusual weather. Thoughts on this Bill?

    1. SirGareth says:

      But the most critical question remains to be answered, how do we tax it?

    2. Bill Steffen says:

      The sun has seen a significant reduction in sunspots, a weaker solar wind and somewhat of a lull in magnetic activity. Here’s an article that notes similar solar behavior now to the period at the start of the Maunder Minimum, which coincided with a period called the “Little Ice Age”:

  24. zeek the dog says:

    Jeff…… the so call buckling of the jet stream is a prediction that has only recently been attributed to GW. This is to say the observation proceeded the prediction. I don’t remember the
    UN or any scientists predicting this or polar vortexs. I remember calls for more fires and tornatos and hurricanes. Where are those….


  25. DDR says:

    Luckily I was able to utilize my flux capacitor and go back in time to measure climate change for myself. I learned that cows farted back in 1520 too and therefore can now say for certain that the planet has been heating up since at least 1520.

    1. schm0e says:

      and there were more of ‘em, since it was before the industrial revolution and all.

      Horses, too — remember, no cars back then?

  26. Styrophome says:

    Now, I know this is going to sound a little unusual but the fact is that we are in a Grand Solar Minimum. Like the Dalton Minimum 1790 – 1840, the Maunder Minimum 1645 to 1715, Sporer Minimum (1450 to 1550) and Wolf Mimimum (1280 to 1350) Every 179 years, the alignment of the four Gas Giant planets align together in four ways over a period of time so that the combined gravitation and magnetic force dampens the magnetic activity of the Sun.

    Neptune and Uranus meet each other in orbit every 171 years like clock work and as they approach each other, meet and then move away, the impact of Jupiter then catching up to them in orbit with Saturn on the opposite side dampen the magnetic activity of the Sun. Neptune, Uranus, and Jupiter aligned opposite Saturn is thought to be the trigger and that happens every 179 years. That happened in 2010, 131, 1651, 1472 and 1292. Compare that to the minimum periods.

    It all has to do with angular momentum but that is a bit too deep. Be that as it may, I assure you it going to to be cooler than normal for a while. Not end of the world stuff but there will be difficulties.

    Google solar minimums and see where that takes you.

    Please read about any one of the minim

  27. schm0e says:

    I don’t suppose that rain California used to get is part of the increasing ice masses at the poles.

    1. Styrophome says:

      Actually, one thing that did occur during the Dalton Minimum was the west and southwest had a very bad dry period that lasted a few years. I don’t know why but seeing the more severe dip in both the US and Canadian jet streams suggests it may have something to do with that.

      These solar minimums happen every 179 years so we don’t know much about them at all but it’s real. Heck, during the Dalton minimum, the ice sheet around Iceland was too thick to move shipping through and the Great Lakes were frozen.

    2. Al D says:

      Ocean currents are probably most responsible for the Mexifornia drought. It certainly isn’t CO2 or cow farts.

      When in drought, have a draft.

  28. schm0e says:


  29. Dennis S says:

    We can thank Al Gore for this. The Gore Flactuator that he invented slammed into the polar vortex and stopped global warming in it’s tracks. Thanks Al.

  30. Al D says:

    Is there a polar bear still enjoying a scenic tour atop that iceberg in Lake Superior?

    Next winter will be brutal. That’s a given. Al Gore will insist all next winter that the warm air created by man has pushed all that cold polar air clear out of both poles to merge at the equator. I’m thinking of starting a snowblower business down here in Southwest Florida. I’d start a ski shop if we had any slopes down here. I wait until cross-everglades skiing catches on.

    1. SirGareth says:

      Be careful, they already have their global cooling que cards dusted off from the 1970s.

  31. Jeff says:

    Interesting that my request for comment has been answered (definitively) by everyone except by the person it was posed to.

  32. JohnS says:

    Youmwillmall be praying for some global warming if this trending solar cycle continues. Warming….ha…ha…ha… better buy your snow shoed and blankets whilemyou can….you will need them as the Emperor continues to close down power plants.

  33. tom says:

    Got here through Drudge. Great blog! Sanity rules!

  34. dave says:

    I got one word for this: SHRINKAGE!

  35. willys36 says:

    It’s all George Bush’s fault.

  36. Ben Jones says:

    After learning about the temperature in Lake Superior. Al Gore was seen in tears. He has made millions of dollars preaching global warming without a shred of evidence. What excuse will he have now for global warming?
    There are a lot of people out there who thrive on doom and gloom. They will still follow.

  37. Dennis says:

    Maybe you need to read the Bible and also associate the news. Toxic water in Lake Erie is being blamed on algae, not all the toxic waste dumped in the lake. I’d say this strange change in lake temp was God’s answer to the fact science is blaming nature for a situation man caused. By the way, how does heavier, cold water rise above lighter warmer water? Are you saying water has a will of its own to disobey the laws of nature?

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