Winter vs. Summer

August 6th, 2014 at 9:26 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

Comparison winter to summer Ryan De Vries    Comparison Winter to Summer Rick Jipping Zeeland Click on the pictures to enlarge. These are comparisons of winter (Feb.) and summer from Rick Jipping (on the right in Zeeland) and Ryan de Vries (on the left). What a difference!  That’s Michigan.  You really get a change of seasons.  Grand Rapids had 116″ of snow this past winter and Holland had 152.4″. Both were 2nd highest ever totals. This year I think winter comes a little earlier than in recent years. We’ll be shoveling snow in November.  No sign of any really cool air yet – we’ve got a lot of warm and dry weather ahead through the weekend and into much of next week.

Thurs. AM – Beautiful day – low temps. this AM:  57 GRR, 49 Ludington, 48 Hopkins, 46 Cadillac, Baldwin and the usually cool Kalamazoo Nature Center, 43 Vanderbilt, 41 Leota (Clare Co.) and 39 at Doe Lake in the U.P.   The morning run of the NAM has it dry thru Sunday.  The morning GFS-plot has 0.01″ for Sunday pm, 0.10″ Monday and 0.08″ Tuesday.    I don’t think we get rain Sunday.  Great weather for the LPGA golf tournament at Blythefield C.C.

54 Responses to “Winter vs. Summer”

  1. orlo says:

    Think we challenge 1 st place snowest winter bill

  2. Ned S. (East of Holland) says:

    Interesting contrast. I hope we don’t see another 152.4 inches in Holland this next winter, although it is certainly possible.

  3. kathy oliver says:


  4. PB says:

    First off Bill, I like your adjustments to your eight day forecast. Secondly, will you have any postings on the two tropical systems heading to Hawaii?

  5. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    Even though there have been reports on how “warm” Flint has been this year the facts point in another direction. So far this year (up to July 31st) is the 3rd coldest in Flint history and 15th and 14th Coldest at Detroit and Saginaw


    1. Brad says:

      Out of curiosity, why the Flint obsession?

    2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      Flint again?

      It’s been warm since April 1st. We all know how winter was.

      1. Bill Steffen says:

        For G.R.: April -0.4°, May +0.6°, June +1.8°, July -4.1°. August so far: +0.4° Next week will be a little cooler than average, but the week after that will be warmer than average. I had August at +1° above average. Including August so far, G.R. is -0.3° since April 1 – I wouldn’t call that warm or cold…it’s been about average.

  6. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    As Bill stated there are some good indications of a cold fall and early winter but there is some hope that mid winter may be milder then average. I for one would like to see that mild mid winter warm up but we shall see how that plays out.

  7. John (Norton Shores) says:

    I have been hearing that we will see an earlier winter this year (as you stated above with snow starting in November) but I have also been hearing that we could be in for a below average snowfall season because of the cooler lakes freezing over earlier this year.

    1. We will be shoveling in November. First flakes will be in October as he stated it will be earlier than most years and last year are first flakes were October 24

      1. John (Norton Shores) says:

        I love winter, but last year I began to get sick of it in February, lol. When you have prolonged cold like we had last winter, it just gets tiring after a while, especially when you get multiple episodes of it. I will say this though, it is fun to do experiments in, such as putting a wet t-shirt out to freeze within a few minutes or throw boiling water out of a pan and see it disappear into steam.

        1. Winter don’t bother me most years, but last winter was just annoying once it got to February and plus I just don’t like hearing about snow for our upcoming winter in August. Mid October is ok

        2. I did ask a few questions about winter a few weeks ago, but I hated even asking so early haha. Guess we shall see how this one is

        3. John (Norton Shores) says:

          Yep, let’s get through the summer first! Haha, come October, then it will be more fun to talk about the upcoming winter! :)

      2. Tim (Spring Lake) says:

        Actually Kyle, it started on the 23rd, as it was snowing on my bday. My birthday can have interesting weather, as I remember driving around with the top down in my convertible in my 20′s with temps in the low 70′s, but also recall a few ones like last year, with flurries falling.

  8. After having a beautiful day today and a georgeos night this is the last thing I wanted to hear

  9. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    We are in an above average stretch of weather and still far away from the winter months. This past winter was definitely rare and probably won’t occur again if global warming happens to be true. I’m sure the coming winter will feel like nothing compared to last year. But anyways, back to the summer talk ;)

  10. Brian(Grandville) says:

    What if global warming doesn’t happen to be true. The 2013/14 winter may have been rare, and one could say the same for the summer of 2012. I can’t see an overall trend in one way or the other.

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The NASA GISS Global Temperature record shows that global temperatures have been essentially steady since 2002:

      1. Owk says:

        Bill, they changed it from global warming to climate change because we are not getting warmer. Al Gore is a snake oil salesmen and thinks he knows more then people who study weather for a living.

    2. Brad says:

      Others can.

      1. Paul says:

        Ahh! Brad took some time off from molesting trees, now go back.

        1. Brad says:

          More sexual imagery, Paul?

        2. Paul says:

          brad, mother pine is calling you, lol.

  11. Jack says:

    What’s Next ?? Spring vs. Fall ??

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Both win, cool rules!

  12. Hey Brian see any meteors lately?

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      No, I saw some about a week ago but nothing since. I keep looking periodically. The Perseid meteor shower has been giving me the shaft in recent years, even though it hasn’t peaked yet. The city lights, and full moon will not be in my favor this year.

  13. Heather says:

    Actually the photo on the left is from Ryan and it’s in Holland. :)

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      Thanks, Heather – you are right and I changed the tags.

  14. Chad says:

    Bill, how do you explain your post on Aug 5 of the climate predictions for Aug 8 – 14 showing below normal temps for the great lakes region, and yet the current 8 day forecast has temps in the mid to upper 80′s every day. Mid to upper 80′s is not below normal for this time of year. How come their prediction is so wrong?

    1. Bill Steffen says:

      The models have backed off a bit on the strength of the cooler air behind the front. I will say that warm high temperatures can be balanced by cool low temperatures at night. Today we were 84 in G.R., with sun and light winds it was a warm day…above our average of 82. But the nighttime low of 57 was 5 degrees cooler than average – so the 24-hour day was actually one degree cooler than average.

  15. fixxxer says:

    Bill i dont ever remember you talking about cold, ice and snow as long as you have this year. Can we give it a rest?

    1. Allendale says:

      Yea Bill, stop talking about weather..

      1. Rad (Jenison/Hudsonville) says:

        LOL, That comment made MY Day.Allendale ;}

    2. Travis (Oakland County) says:

      I think every year this blog predicts an “early” start to winter, and yet the past several years have not seen much until December or January.

      1. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

        While it may not happen this upcoming winter the fact is we are due for a mild wither with less snow. Just think of all of the complaining there would be on there from several personas if the great lakes area was to have a record warm winter with record low snow fall amounts.

        1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          It doesn’t matter what happens, the complaining is inevitable.

        2. Barry in Zeeland says:

          You are correct Slim. All anyone needs to do is read the blog posts from the 2011-12 winter and you will find non-stop hourly complaining about how we were having the “worst winter ever”.

        3. Rocky (Rockford) says:

          Barry you have a serious sickness! Seek help now!

        4. Mark (East Lansing) says:

          I mean, complaints AND insults are inevitable.

        5. Barry in Zeeland says:

          You nailed it Mark. He can’t even own up to all of his wining of that winter.

  16. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    This sure is sure nice weather we have been having with lots of sun and mild temps. I would not mind if this type of temps and weather would last for many more weeks. Right now its sunny and 77°

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      I agree. Spectacular weather.

  17. Jeremy (Three Rivers) says:

    Crazy snow photos, Bill. I’d never had such deep snow at my house before. I’m game for an early winter. This summer has been nice though. Nothing thrills me like a good snowstorm on the horizon or a severe weather outbreak. Though there’s obviously more snowstorms then severe weather in general. Something about winter just has a magical thrilling feeling about it. It’s my favorite season, with summer coming in second place. :)

  18. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    Iselle was supposed to weaken as it slowly trudged west across the Pacific. It didn’t — and now Hawaii is poised to take its first direct hurricane hit in 22 years. Tracking close behind it was Hurricane Julio, which strengthened early Thursday into a Category 2 storm.

    1. matt says:

      Been watching the hurricane as well. I can’t believe Hawaii has not had a hurricane in 22 years, amazing. I hope everyone is safe.

  19. Jack says:

    WOW, What a PEFECT Summer Forecast on Tap,,” MOSTLY SUNNY” Skies is All I See. :-) . Our FORECAST is ….SO Bright , WE Gotta Wear SHADES . CUE, Timbuk 3 ::: ;-) . PEACE..Ya ALL… ;-)

  20. Trapper says:

    I look for signs indicating early winter, and one, the crows are flocking early, two most resident summer Robbins have left, and three the most interesting, black walnut trees are dropping walnuts which usually does’t start until first frost. But then again, I’m not Zeb Walton like most we’ll just see.

  21. I Got a strange one. I Have i Robin on her 2nd batch of baby’s. Maybe a warm fall? They just hatched out 1 week ago. I never had them nest so late. Redwinged Blackbirds are gone except for a couple still hanging around.

  22. Barb says:

    I had a great kayak ride on Indian River today. It was rather warm, though. On the other hand, we are in serious need of rain in GR and up north.

  23. Jerry Hoag says:

    I am praying that I will be out of state before the first SNOWFLAKES fall here in West Michigan!!!!!!!! Also, Hopefully no snow in any of the areas that the wife and I will be visiting before the total move…….Here to the countdown to my BIG MOVE!!!!!!!!

    The Projected Date of leaving Michigan is November 3rd. Subject to change, to an earlier date.

    Will keep you all updated….

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