Cool Air in the Great Lakes

August 13th, 2014 at 2:30 pm by under Bill's Blog, Weather

muskegon glerl   At 2:15 pm (Weds.) the temperature at the beach at Muskegon was 62.4° with an 11 mph NW wind.  Inland, as we warmed up, cumulus clouds developed.  Low temperatures Weds. AM included:  38° at Doe Lake and Stonington in the U.P., 39° at Garden Corners, 43° at the Kalamazoo Nature Center and at Wellston in Manistee Co., 45 Manistee and Lawrence, 46° at Hart, Baldwin and Frankfort, 48° at Fennville, 49° at S. Haven and Hopkins and 50° at Muskegon and Holland.  We’ve got 2 more cool mornings with many temperatures reaching the mid-upper 40s.  Water temperatures have taken a dip – so you might not want to take a dip…just 49° this AM at Holland St. Park, the Port Sheldon and the Ludington buoys were also showing a 49° water temperature.  Hoffmaster S.P. had 53°.   The models are backing off the heat for early next week through Tuesday…the GFS has thunderstorms along I-94 on Saturday midday/PM – waiting on the European – will update on the news tonight.

88 Responses to “Cool Air in the Great Lakes”

  1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    Wow Bill you are really onto the cold weather. It isn’t that cold out. We are barely below average for the month, have had 12 days of 80′s, and are in a dry pattern. I have nothing against the cold or anything, but it is getting irritating to read about it every day. The summer is our break from the cold! And the lakes are not ridiculously cold or anything. Lake Michigan is the only below average lake (and not too far below average). We have more warm weather coming for next week too. (Again, I don’t support warm or cold, but it’s becoming too much).

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Then read something else. :-)

      1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

        That’s exactly what I have been doing ;) when the cold season comes I’ll be back here

    2. Jack says:

      Facts are Facts…Nathan ! In BILL WE TRUST……stay CUEDD

    3. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Then again, if our current trend had been warmer than average, then guess what? Bill would be talking about the warmth.

      1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

        On the warmest day of the year he released his winter forecast ;)

    4. Bill Steffen says:

      The Great Lakes are colder than average: http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/statistic/avg-sst.php?lk=m&yr=0 The water temp. at Holland St. Park was 49° this (Weds.) morning and Muskegon S. P. was 53° Several of the buoys are reporting water temps. in the upper 40s as well. In the last week of July, Holland St. Park dropped to 41°. I’ve never seen a water temp. that cold anywhere in Lake Michigan at any time in July! It’s all interesting to me, so I share that on my blog.

      1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

        There is a difference between Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes. And the past winter had a great effect on its temperatures, not just the ‘cool’ summer. (May was the warmest May on record across the globe. More important than just one area. And June had more above average highs than below average highs. August had 11 days in the 80s so far). I sound like a global warming freak but I’m not, trust me!

      2. Rob's Wife (Plainfield at 3 Mile) says:

        I think it’s interesting too, Bill! Kirk Park is normally one of our favorite spots. We haven’t been at all, when we usually go multiple times. Between the red flags and the cold water temps and our schedule it just didn’t happen. This is the very first time that we didn’t visit Lake Michigan at all during the summer since we moved here in 2010. Our July electric bill was the lowest it’s ever been. I find it fascinating when comparing our past summers in GR.

    5. fixxxer says:

      told you woodtv has a serious cold weather bias this year.

  2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    The models are backing off on the heat for next week! Imagine that! Who would have thought?

  3. Travis (Oakland County) says:

    More cold reported by Wood. I think Bill is on a personal vendetta now :)

    Still +0.9 here for August with only two below average days the entire month so far.

    Looks like a mild back half of August too.

    1. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      Just the facts Travis! Wake up and smell the coffee!

    2. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Well, WOOD is in west Michigan and west Michigan has been much cooler than east Michigan. Why wouldn’t he report on the weather in his own area?

    3. DF (EGR) says:

      The icing on the cake it talking about Flint while trolling a GR station blog.

      1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

        +1

    4. Cliff(KZOO) says:

      What about Detroit Travis? 10 of the 12 days this month have been below average!!! With one day above average.

    5. michael g (SE GR) says:

      Is Flint in WOOD’s viewing area?

    6. Bill Steffen says:

      Detroit is -1.9° for the month.

  4. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    For the year GR is way below average for temps and virtually every month has been below average, yet Travis is spewing more garbage! Imagine that! INCREDIBLY delusional!

  5. Rocky (Rockford) says:

    Great job Bill and keep the facts coming about the cold water and the below average temps that we have been seeing for virtually the entire year! I love it!

    1. matt says:

      Right. You’ve been in your basement playing wii golf.

  6. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

    TWC says heavy rain events are becoming more typical due to global warming. Not sure how it coorilatea but it would be interesting to know. And the stats are there: 71% increase in heavy rain events in the NE when compared between 1958 to 2012.

    1. Jack says:

      TWC = Propaganda !!! Fact !! Stay CUEDDD

      1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

        Hah but look at the stats ;) they are actually somewhat right

        1. DF (EGR) says:

          Not really since the whole world is connected now. They ignore that conveniently.

    2. Rocky (Rockford) says:

      That is funny!

    3. Bill Steffen says:

      Wow, and I was told global warming causes droughts! In fact, look at all the bad stuff that’s ALL caused by “global warming”…er…I mean “climate change”: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

      I don’t believe 71%, but there has been an increase…a good chunk of that is due to urbanization (and the channeling of creeks/rivers). This is also similar to the increase in the number of reported tornadoes. We’re doing a better job of reporting them now than we did 60 years ago.

  7. I do agree the talk about cold air on here is becoming a little much. Not that I don’t like cold because I love winter. It would be a little more interesting to have a different read for a change. Guess ill look elsewhere for some more interesting news for a change.

    I will come on here every so often, defiantly not as much as I have anymore. Some of the comments on here are totally unrelated to weather and its hard to get a good weather conversation going unless a storm system is coming in, which is likely when I may or may not come on. Have a nice rest of your summer bloggers :) . Ill still send my rainfall/snowfall reports to you Bill and to the NWS

    1. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

      Yup that is exactly what I have been doing and plan to do for the next few months. It’s really disappointing because Bill is such a high class meteorologist who runs a great blog for the community. And it is the communities job to reinforce Bills efforts.

      1. Yes this is a nice blog, glad Bill offers this area for us. Its Ill be on here for rain/snowstorms and to give my analysis on what I think may happen (ohh and ill still post pics too).

        1. The only thing that makes it less enjoyable is things get geared a different direction on here at times, away from the topic of weather.

    2. DF (EGR) says:

      I’ve been here since the beginning (approaching a decade I think) Kyle and people come and go, not many originals left. You just need to ignore it if you want to stay, Bill runs a free speech blog with few exceptions. Even the fixxxxxx and his 3-4 other aliases have sworn to never come back three times over the years.

      1. I will be staying here, but in times of no big weather I won’t. Ive been on here for 3 years. I am not leaving, I am just not going to make many appearances during times of a boring weather pattern

        1. Because when the weather gets quiet that’s when things begin to go downhill it seems

      2. Nathan (Forest Hills) says:

        I’ve been on since I was in 7th grade so this makes my fourth year. Bill has and always will be my favorite meteorologist. It’s just that I don’t like it when people try to steer others toward an opinion. I feel like people on the blog are being brainwashed to side on global cooling rather than warming. But of course you’re right, just ignore them! A great blog for sure.

        1. Its easy for me to ignore, but when you make a post realted to weather and no one comments and the name calling presists in comments below yours, thats when it starts to get annoying because no good conversation can be made.

    3. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      LOL. Even the young’uns are getting riled up. The blog has been this way for years.

      1. Jack says:

        Yup, BLOOGERS Come & Go Just Like all weather Patterns IN BILL WE TRUST !!!!

        1. I agree with the In Bill we trust jack!

    4. John (Norton Shores) says:

      Exactly why I don’t come on here a whole lot anymore, it’s so disappointing what few people can do to ruin a whole thing for others. I am with ya Kyle! Bill is a fantastic meteorologist and when (and if) this blog every returns to its normal stages I will come back full time!

      1. I see some people agree. I am not “riled up” because not much gets me to that point, I am more just annoyed. There are many bloggers on here that are good and I enjoy talking to, so most of you on here I do enjoy talking to

        1. I should say I enjoy everyone on here, but some people need to back off on some of the name calling, I think all can agree with that because that is never good.

        2. John (Norton Shores) says:

          I agree, you are not riled up, I understand the annoyance. I would like to read through one blog post from Bill without scrolling down and seeing all the name calling. I agree that there are several on here with very informative comments about the weather and I enjoy those post and talking to those people as well! :)

  8. INDY says:

    Well I travis is still running up that hot hill I read!!! Still no hot summer in Michigan must be one BIG hot hill he has been running F. Gump style since last Novi,Before u know it will be cold and snowing in West Michigan!! SPRITES INDYY!!!

  9. Jack says:

    Indy…..Weather Facts,,” Only” on dis here BLOG. Think I will take a Jog,.. In Cool Summer Breeze…. & CUE

  10. Jack says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsHuV3Aj1os. Ps….Indyyyy Give yer ole uncle JACK a CALL….. We will Leave the Phone on For U, @ YARDofCUES……PEACE!!!

  11. Anyone get any rain this afternoon? My dad reported a light shower in SE Kent County near Alto.

    1. Mark (East Lansing) says:

      Nope. Lots of warm sun and low humidity. Beautiful day.

      1. Brian(Grandville) says:

        If I compare my electric bill to this time last year, it’s quite a difference. I should’ve saved some of them from 2012 to compare also. It seemed like I ran the a/c 24/7 all summer.

  12. michael g (SE GR) says:

    Regarding Bill’s supposed cold weather bias, and the weather this summer, the last 19 days of August, including today, will have to average 4.2 above normal just to get the whole summer up to exactly normal. Not going to happen.

    1. Nope it is not going to happen. This IS a cool summer no denying that. Not sure where it compares to 2009 but is this year warmer or colder than 2009?

  13. DF (EGR) says:

    The GR NWS must have vendetta also today since this is their top news story of the day… Revisiting last winter snowfall, awesome map by the way.
    http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/grr/presentations/Seasonal_Snowfall_in_Lower_Michigan_Last_Winter_2014-08-13_15-31-28.pdf

    NWS cold bias, LOL.

    1. I am not sure who on here said the NWS has a cold bias or Bill has a cold bias other than maybe Travis. Neither has a cold bias, its just the pattern we are in and that is the daily news basically. If we were in a warm pattern and above average I am sure the NWS and Bill would have several links and threads dedicated to it.

      1. DF (EGR) says:

        Sarcasm ;)

        1. I wasn’t being sarcastic,I was being serious. But it all depends on the way you read it, because I know that may sound sarcastic

        2. DF (EGR) says:

          I was in the first place.

        3. ahh, gotcha. I am terrible at catching sarcasm, just sayin ;)

        4. Cool snowfall map though! Thanks for the link

        5. DF (EGR) says:

          Sorry dude, not trying to confuse you :)

        6. Wierd to see the heavier totals inland. That west wind was very strong this past winter and brought the heaviest bands inland. Id take a repeat of that, just not the freezing cold.

    2. John (Norton Shores) says:

      It shows I got between 125-142″ of snow this winter, I can agree with that! It sure was a memorable winter, with weeks on end with at least a foot or more of snow!

      1. John (Norton Shores) says:

        I should say this past winter, lol!

  14. INDY says:

    Bill just tells us the facts so some may just have to relax on weather!! INDYYY!

  15. Hey Brian see any good meteor last night?

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      No, the clouds came back in at the wrong time, and I was to tired to stay up. I am about to go out soon, as conditions are ideal tonight. Won’t be as many as last night, but still should be a good amount tonight.

      1. I just saw a nice bright one looking straight up. I heard there is supposed to be 50-60 an hour around 2-3am. Not sure if that is true or not

      2. Jack says:

        I Got to See Some Good Ones,,This AM ( Wed.).. see Thread Down a Bit,,, A TOTAL OF 3 or 4 ” Nice FIREBALLS”"”. I will be gazing Skyward again Thursday AM….Stay CUEDD….& KEEP LOOKING UP!!!!! :-)

  16. Jack says:

    ADD On SPORTS Note….TIGERS WIN AGAIN……..Finally !!! Hats of To The Kid who made His Major Leauge DEBUT PITCHING…welcome to the BIG LEAUGES SON!! ;-)

  17. GunLakeDeb says:

    LOL! Bill doesn’t have a “bias” towards “cold” – but Mother Nature sure does! IMO – today was perfect. I loved the low dewpoint – used it to my advantage for painting a living room after the morning warmed up enough to be painting. 51 degrees is NOT an optimal painting temperature….

    For all the rain other places got – I had to drag sprinklers this morning. I could shake a few drops of moisture out of my rain gauge – that’s all we got Monday/Tuesday.

    1. +1 perfect weather. I may have to break the sprinkler out soon here if I get skunked this weekend

    2. DF (EGR) says:

      I love any day that is 79 and still somehow well below average. I’ll take it especially with the heat coming back next week.

      1. Brian(Grandville) says:

        The jury is still out on that. Models aren’t in good agreement yet, and I will take that for now. Let’s go for a no 90* summer. Bring it, as one would say.

  18. Scott (Robinson twsp) says:

    You wanted to see riled up, should have been on Craig James blog. I think computers were tossed out a window. Lol.

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Wow, wasn’t around then I guess. Sounds like fun.

      1. One quick question regarding Craig James. What is he doing now? Last I knew he did tours in Canada or something? I saw his commercials. Does he still do them?

        1. DF (EGR) says:

          He comments every now and then on here. Bill hopefully will answer this.

        2. Jack says:

          We can go back even further …and…. Ask Bill about ” Buck Matthews ” !!! Bill Ya ever Here From OLE BUCK M. These DAYS….. ???? He used to Live Right next-door To My GRANDPA !! Staying CUEDD….BILL. ;-)

        3. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

          This is now a couple of years old but here is Craig James on TV in May of 2012 and in the video he tells a little of what is was doing at that time.

          http://archive.wzzm13.com/news/article/211755/14/What-has-Craig-James-been-up-to

          SlimJim

        4. Bill Steffen says:

          Boy, that brings back memories. I saw about one second of me in that video. Craig first came to Grand Rapids about the first week of Sept. in 1973. I came in the first week of Nov. 1974. Craig left to come to WOOD in Oct. 1985, I came in July 2001. This Nov. 5 will mark 40 years for me on TV in Grand Rapids. That’s a pretty long shelf-life for a TV anchor. Craig and I worked six days a week when I first started. We hand-plotted surface maps from the raw observations usually 3-4 times a day. We had a state map and a national map, covered with plexiglass that was screwed into the map. We wrote on the maps with Magic Markers and gave a two-day forecast. We had an Alden Fax Machine for weather maps and the Service A and Service C teletypes. I was quite adept at using the phone to get more weather information, esp. during severe weather. The radar was an old RCAAVQ 10 radar built for an aircraft in beautiful black and white. We did the weather on radio, where I worked with the likes of Rick Beckett, Denny Hunt and Lee DeYoung. We would go to all the big parades. I’m pretty sure I was first in the Coast Guard, Tulip and G.R. Santa Claus parades in 1975. Buck Matthews is doing well, and has helped out at Blue Lake Public Radio.

          I occasionally get an email from Craig James. He’s busy – playing golf, he’s rated golf courses around Lower Michigan, he still does speaking engagements and a little legal work (expert witness).

    2. DF (EGR) says:

      LOL, the good old days on there. I actually don’t miss it, my blood pressure was too high on there :)

  19. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    As a long time bloger DF is right blogers come and go or at least they change their names. I have to say I do Miss some of the old ones. But one thing that always is constant and that is change. But I have to say some of the contributors on this blog now just do not want to change, (well they may change their names now and then and of course I think some of our blogers have conversations with them selves using different personas, just my opinion)
    SlimJim

    1. Brian(Grandville) says:

      Steelie, Jim S., Irish, Mark Sterling to name a few. Some of which come back in the winter months, but I think Steelie is gone for good. :(

      1. Scott (Robinson twsp) says:

        Those that have been around probably just. (Cue) :) to certain names. I don’t have time to look at all the jibber anymore. I feel bad/embarrassed for Mr.S when he’s advertising to check out the blog on tv, and a new person would stumble on the unfortunate comments.

  20. fixxxer says:

    these mornings have been way too cold for summer, even for west michigan standards. ive yet to see any real warm and humid nights or mornings this year.

    1. Paul m says:

      Not this year Fixxer. Went to Duck lake state park yesterday and it was very chilly.

  21. SlimJim NW GR (1) says:

    It’s a cool start today While its now 51° at the airport here at my house I now have 49° and about 20 minutes ago it got down to 48° here. Last year this time of August also was on the cool side as GR only had a high of 71 and lows were also in the upper 40’s
    SlimJim

  22. Sandy (Hudsonville) says:

    It is beautiful outside today!! Hope you all are enjoying the day. No complaints here.

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